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Religions > Atheism |
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"Gary DeWaay" |
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22 Nov 2005 05:42:22 AM |
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Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy targets
to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
--
Gary
George W. Bush will repair what has been damaged . . . On the first
hour of the first day, he will restore decency and integrity to the Oval
Office.
***** Cheney
Speech to the 2000 Republican Convention
August 2, 2000
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| User: "COL. BILL KILGORE" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
23 Nov 2005 06:51:55 PM |
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy targets
to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that any
terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come here, it
will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they will just fly
another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a crowded elementary
school. Putting a human face on these thugs and pretending that they play
by the rules is wishful thinking at best, and a suicidal way of looking at
reality. Boob.
--
Gary
George W. Bush will repair what has been damaged . . . On the first
hour of the first day, he will restore decency and integrity to the Oval
Office.
***** Cheney
Speech to the 2000 Republican Convention
August 2, 2000
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
23 Nov 2005 11:23:24 PM |
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COL. BILL KILGORE wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our
soldiers? Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy
targets to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring
it on" mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty
waists and letting all our soldiers get killed over there in
ambushes instead of fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that
any terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come
here, it will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they
will just fly another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a
crowded elementary school. Putting a human face on these thugs and
pretending that they play by the rules is wishful thinking at best,
and a suicidal way of looking at reality. Boob.
Terrorists won't, but the fighters in Iraq do it every day.
They know that the way the US responds will make more and more terrorists
who will try to do exactly what you claim - and dirty nukes are easy to
build.
How many of those in the 9/11 plot were from Iraq?
Abdulaziz Alomari age: Unknown. Nationality: Saudi.
Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad age: 28. Nationality: Saudi.
Ahmed Alghamdi age: 21. Nationality: Saudi.
Hamza Alghamdi age: 20. Nationality: Saudi.
Hani Hanjour leader age: 29. Nationality: Saudi.
Salem Alhazmi age: Uknown. Nationality: Saudi.
Saeed Alghamdi age: 25. Nationality: Saudi.
Ahmed Alnami age: 23. Nationality: Saudi.
Satam M.A. Al Suqami age: 25. Nationality: Saudi.
Wail M. Alshehri age: 28. Nationality: Saudi.
Waleed M. Alshehri age: 22. Nationality: Saudi
Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi age: 20. Nationality: Saudi.
Marwan al-Shehhi age: 23. Nationality: United Arab Emirates.
Ziad Samir Jarrah age: 26. Nationality: Lebanese.
Mohamed Atta, age: 33. Nationality: Egyptian.
Mohand Alshehri age: 21. Nationality: Unknown.
Nawaf Alhazmi age: 25. Nationality: Unknown.
Majed Moqed age: Unknown. Nationality: Unknown.
Khalid Almihdhar age: Unknown. Nationality: Unknown.
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| User: "mightyslow mightyjoe.comcast.net" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
27 Nov 2005 04:29:44 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:23:24 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
COL. BILL KILGORE wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our
soldiers? Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy
targets to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring
it on" mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty
waists and letting all our soldiers get killed over there in
ambushes instead of fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that
any terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come
here, it will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they
will just fly another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a
crowded elementary school. Putting a human face on these thugs and
pretending that they play by the rules is wishful thinking at best,
and a suicidal way of looking at reality. Boob.
Terrorists won't, but the fighters in Iraq do it every day.
They know that the way the US responds will make more and more terrorists
who will try to do exactly what you claim - and dirty nukes are easy to
build.
How many of those in the 9/11 plot were from Iraq?
Abdulaziz Alomari age: Unknown. Nationality: Saudi.
Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad age: 28. Nationality: Saudi.
Ahmed Alghamdi age: 21. Nationality: Saudi.
Hamza Alghamdi age: 20. Nationality: Saudi.
Hani Hanjour leader age: 29. Nationality: Saudi.
Salem Alhazmi age: Uknown. Nationality: Saudi.
Saeed Alghamdi age: 25. Nationality: Saudi.
Ahmed Alnami age: 23. Nationality: Saudi.
Satam M.A. Al Suqami age: 25. Nationality: Saudi.
Wail M. Alshehri age: 28. Nationality: Saudi.
Waleed M. Alshehri age: 22. Nationality: Saudi
Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi age: 20. Nationality: Saudi.
Marwan al-Shehhi age: 23. Nationality: United Arab Emirates.
Ziad Samir Jarrah age: 26. Nationality: Lebanese.
Mohamed Atta, age: 33. Nationality: Egyptian.
Mohand Alshehri age: 21. Nationality: Unknown.
Nawaf Alhazmi age: 25. Nationality: Unknown.
Majed Moqed age: Unknown. Nationality: Unknown.
Khalid Almihdhar age: Unknown. Nationality: Unknown.
There were 15 Saudis. The reason there were so many Saudis is that
Saudi Arabian Airlines required FAA certification and dozens of Saudis
could attend flight school without raising an eyebrow.
Who bombed the USS Cole in the Yemin port? Oh yeah, Yeminis.
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| User: "t1gercat" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
27 Nov 2005 07:02:27 PM |
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COL. BILL KILGORE wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy targets
to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that any
terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come here, it
will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they will just fly
another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a crowded elementary
school. Putting a human face on these thugs and pretending that they play
by the rules is wishful thinking at best, and a suicidal way of looking at
reality. Boob.
Oh, the Chicken Colonel! What do you think they have been doing, you
idiot? They have been fighting us man-to-man as well as using classic
guerrilla hit-and-run tactics (just as we used in the Revolutionary
War) and the classic Islamist tactic of suicide bombings. Whatever you
say about them, it takes guts and insanity to do what they do.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
24 Nov 2005 08:01:08 AM |
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On 23 Nov 2005 19:51:55 +0100, "COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy targets
to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that any
terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come here, it
will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they will just fly
another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a crowded elementary
school. Putting a human face on these thugs and pretending that they play
by the rules is wishful thinking at best, and a suicidal way of looking at
reality. Boob.
What rules are you talking about? Is bombing cities against the
rules, or does that depend on who does it or whether it is done with a
passenger plane or a bomber? Terrorism is wrong, and there is no
excuse for it; but that applies to everybody. Why was the US not
exercising terrorism all the years it equipped Hussein's military,
while Hussein was using that military to kill thousands of his own
people? Why was it not exercising terrorism when it equipped and
trained the thugs in the army of El Salvador for years? The list is a
very long one. The US is an international terrorist. That does not
excuse the others, but the hypocrisy and/or the blindness is
remarkable.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "COL. BILL KILGORE" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
24 Nov 2005 03:31:10 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:0jsao11c31lqpt373f7puutjnf6140f4t5@4ax.com...
On 23 Nov 2005 19:51:55 +0100, "COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our
soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy
targets
to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it
on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that any
terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come here, it
will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they will just fly
another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a crowded elementary
school. Putting a human face on these thugs and pretending that they play
by the rules is wishful thinking at best, and a suicidal way of looking at
reality. Boob.
What rules are you talking about? Is bombing cities against the
rules, or does that depend on who does it or whether it is done with a
passenger plane or a bomber? Terrorism is wrong, and there is no
excuse for it; but that applies to everybody. Why was the US not
exercising terrorism all the years it equipped Hussein's military,
while Hussein was using that military to kill thousands of his own
people? Why was it not exercising terrorism when it equipped and
trained the thugs in the army of El Salvador for years? The list is a
very long one. The US is an international terrorist.
You lost any credibility a twit like you could possibly have with your
"America is an international terrorist" garbage. You are nothing but a
left-wing pimp, not to mention an *****.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
24 Nov 2005 08:06:02 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 16:31:10 +0100, "COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:0jsao11c31lqpt373f7puutjnf6140f4t5@4ax.com...
On 23 Nov 2005 19:51:55 +0100, "COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our
soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy
targets
to kill.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it
on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that any
terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come here, it
will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they will just fly
another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a crowded elementary
school. Putting a human face on these thugs and pretending that they play
by the rules is wishful thinking at best, and a suicidal way of looking at
reality. Boob.
What rules are you talking about? Is bombing cities against the
rules, or does that depend on who does it or whether it is done with a
passenger plane or a bomber? Terrorism is wrong, and there is no
excuse for it; but that applies to everybody. Why was the US not
exercising terrorism all the years it equipped Hussein's military,
while Hussein was using that military to kill thousands of his own
people? Why was it not exercising terrorism when it equipped and
trained the thugs in the army of El Salvador for years? The list is a
very long one. The US is an international terrorist.
You lost any credibility a twit like you could possibly have with your
"America is an international terrorist" garbage. You are nothing but a
left-wing pimp, not to mention an *****.
It is always good to read a well-thought out post, one that sticks to
the subject and responds to relevant points about the subject - not
that I expected to get one.
The US did, in fact, support Hussein for years. It supplied him with
military equipment and training knowing full well what he was doing to
his own people. The US did, in fact, supply the army of El Salvador
with equipment and training knowing full well what it was doing to its
own people. The US did, in fact, support the apartheid government of
South Africa knowing full well what horrors it was inflicting on its
own population and on the population of neighboring states. Many
more examples could be given. Calling people names does not erase
any of it.
Terrorism is wrong. The attack in New York was wrong. The attack was
directed by a man who was supported by the US when he was committing
his atrocities in Afghanistan. The modern weapons being used by the
various gangs in Afghanistan to commit their atrocities were being
supplied by the Soviet Union and by the US. If it is wrong for one,
it is wrong for everybody. If it is wrong in New York or London, it
is wrong in Iraq, Iran, Palestine, El Salvador, Nicaragua and so on
and so on. A great deal of the terror now being complained about
would not even have been possible without the original support of the
US or England or France etc.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Eris" |
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24 Nov 2005 08:15:56 PM |
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On 23 Nov 2005 19:51:55 +0100, "COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You are truely a complete idiot. Do you believe for one second that any
terrorist would fight our troops "man-to-man". If they do come here, it
will be with a dirty nuke let loose in a major city, or they will just fly
another plane into a building, or perhaps blow up a crowded elementary
school. Putting a human face on these thugs and pretending that they play
by the rules is wishful thinking at best, and a suicidal way of looking at
reality. Boob.
There seems to be a sports fan quality about the Iraqi war supports.
Like sport fans have high self esteem when their team is winning and
low self esteem when their team is losing. Talk amongst yourselves.
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| User: "E.E.Bud Keith" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
22 Nov 2005 07:12:23 AM |
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
The fact is Gary they are somewhat like you liberals they
hate everyone that disagrees with them.
But let me ask you, why do the muslims kill there own kind, why did they
kill the Spanish, why did they set off the bomb in Bali, why did they set
the bombs off in England. The answer of course is again they hate everyone.
Do you think that if the USA were to pull out of Iraq now that the war with
terror would end? And just what would happen to all those millions of
Iraqi's who voted for democracy?
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
It is obvious that you ignore that which you don't want to see or hear. The
insurgents have proven that they are a blood thirsty lot that hate all
Christians and jews and will not rest until they murder everyone they hate.
Furthermore, that because we are in Iraq is pure bull *****.
They like other jihadist muslims do not want any form of democratic
government taking hold in the middleast.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
It is difficult to believe that you are so simply minded that you have to
ask a silly rehtorical question like that.
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy targets
to kill.
And you of course believe that by leaving Iraq these nice folks are going to
stop their jihad and go home and raise children,
What running will do is give them the time they need to create weapons for
mass killings in the future. Then my friend who the hell are you going to
blame beside your dumb self. Of course you are going to make the arguement
that that leaving will reduce tensions blah blah blah, BUT WHAT IF YOU ARE
WRONG, hell why think about that until some terrorist is in your back yard
killing your wife and kids.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
That has got to be the dumbest thing to come out of your mouth yet.
Do really think they are going to come over here and fight us man to man.
Because we have proven we will not stand up and fight they are going to do
what they do best
and that is to terrorize the world until it capitulates.
What silly *****'s like you are going to do is give them the time to devlope
the weapons they need. They have the money all they need is the time. And
then brother if the terorists remain true to form you are agoing to see
people killed like you have never seen before. Where ever Saddams stock
piles have been taken they soon will appear. And then all hell is going to
break loose. And it is you muddleheaded liberals that have brought all of
this on.
--
Gary
George W. Bush will repair what has been damaged . . . On the first
hour of the first day, he will restore decency and integrity to the Oval
Office.
***** Cheney
Speech to the 2000 Republican Convention
August 2, 2000
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| User: "Neocon Oil Cheerleaders" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
22 Nov 2005 07:20:51 AM |
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In article <k8idnV9FS5NIWR_enZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>, says...
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
The fact is Gary they are somewhat like you liberals they
hate everyone that disagrees with them.
But let me ask you, why do the muslims kill there own kind, why did they
kill the Spanish, why did they set off the bomb in Bali, why did they set
the bombs off in England. The answer of course is again they hate everyone.
Do you think that if the USA were to pull out of Iraq now that the war with
terror would end? And just what would happen to all those millions of
Iraqi's who voted for democracy?
Why, they'd have to stand up & fight instead of letting us do it
for them. You're setting up an Iraqi culture of dependency - very
un-right wing of you.
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
22 Nov 2005 03:59:03 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:12:23 -0600, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dec6bbaad5ea15198a710@news.midco.net...
Why are the insurgents fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable.
The fact is Gary they are somewhat like you liberals they
hate everyone that disagrees with them.
But let me ask you, why do the muslims kill there own kind, why did they
kill the Spanish, why did they set off the bomb in Bali, why did they set
the bombs off in England. The answer of course is again they hate everyone.
Do you think that if the USA were to pull out of Iraq now that the war with
terror would end? And just what would happen to all those millions of
Iraqi's who voted for democracy?
So what you are saying is there is no end of this. We now have to
stay there and 'protect' the democracy.
So you all lied when you said the whole thing was to set up to Iraq in
democracy and let them do it and we would leave.
What should us 'hating' liberals expect - a new lie every few months
about why we have to kill our young while you all sit safe in your
houses and have war and hate fantasies?
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our soldiers?
Primarily because we are in Iraq.
It is obvious that you ignore that which you don't want to see or hear. The
insurgents have proven that they are a blood thirsty lot that hate all
Christians and jews and will not rest until they murder everyone they hate.
Furthermore, that because we are in Iraq is pure bull *****.
They like other jihadist muslims do not want any form of democratic
government taking hold in the middleast.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"?
It is difficult to believe that you are so simply minded that you have to
ask a silly rehtorical question like that.
All we are doing now is feeding their hatred and giving them easy targets
to kill.
And you of course believe that by leaving Iraq these nice folks are going to
stop their jihad and go home and raise children,
They are fighting for power among themselves. Us being there won't
stop that until the power struggle has been finished and one of them
wins.
What running will do is give them the time they need to create weapons for
mass killings in the future. Then my friend who the hell are you going to
blame beside your dumb self. Of course you are going to make the arguement
that that leaving will reduce tensions blah blah blah, BUT WHAT IF YOU ARE
WRONG, hell why think about that until some terrorist is in your back yard
killing your wife and kids.
What if you are WRONG and you have been killing your kids for nothing?
The terrorists haven't been killing our kids. You and Bush have. I
think it's time for you guys to be jailed for that.
If this is all about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it on"
mentality, why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and
letting all our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of
fighting them MAN TO MAN over here?
That has got to be the dumbest thing to come out of your mouth yet.
Do really think they are going to come over here and fight us man to man.
Because we have proven we will not stand up and fight they are going to do
what they do best
and that is to terrorize the world until it capitulates.
So you want us to send men to Iraq so they can blow them up until the
world 'capitulates'.
Now there's an effective fight against terrorism.
What silly *****'s like you are going to do is give them the time to devlope
the weapons they need. They have the money all they need is the time. And
then brother if the terorists remain true to form you are agoing to see
people killed like you have never seen before. Where ever Saddams stock
piles have been taken they soon will appear. And then all hell is going to
break loose. And it is you muddleheaded liberals that have brought all of
this on.
LOL - they are deveolping the weapons they need. Every day they are
practicing and getting better and better. And more and more are
getting ***** at us and joining up.
Now removing the target and give them nothing to fight against and
having them lose interest makes a lot more sense.
Talk about being muddle headed. Lets just stand out in their
oilfields and ***** them off - now there's a way to fight terrorism.
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| User: "" |
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24 Nov 2005 05:19:16 PM |
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Why are the insurgents...>>>>
"Insurgents"? Oh, you mean the savage terrorists.
... fighting so hard against us?
They hate us. This much is undebatable. >>>
No question, the brutal thugs were were in powers of position under
Saddam hate our guts. What is far more interesting to note is that the
average citizen DOESN'T hate Americans. If they did, America wouldn't
have 2100 casualties, but 100,000.
Why do they hate us and why are they trying so hard to kill our soldiers?>>>
Again, you use the pronoun "they" to cover up the fact that only a
small portion of the population are violently against the US
occupation.
Primarily because we are in Iraq. >>>
Your friends are Islamic facists who enjoyed brutal power while Saddam
was in office. They're pissed that they've been knocked out of power.
After WWII, there were former Nazis who continued to attacked American
bases in occupied Germany.
So why would withdrawing be considered "dangerous" and "cutting and
running"? >>>
Because if we leave before Iraq is ready to defend herself, Iraq could
degenerate into a terrorist haven. You want, no, insist, that we
abandon the job just before we succeed. A handful of questions for you
to consider:
Are the metrics of this war in the terrorists' or our favor? Are the
Iraqi security forces growing or shrinking? Are elections postponed or
on schedule? Are Europe, Jordan, Lebanon, and others more or less
sympathetic to a war against Islamic terrorism in Iraq? Are bin Laden,
Zawahiri, and Zarqawi more or less popular or secure after we removed
Saddam? Is al Qaeda in a strengthened or weakened position? Is the Arab
world more or less receptive to democracy in the Gulf, Egypt, Lebanon,
and the West Bank? And is the United States more or less vulnerable to
a terrorist attack as we go into our fifth year since September 11?
Despite acrimony at home, the politics of two national elections and a
third on the horizon, and the slander of war crimes and incompetence,
those on the battlefield of Iraq have almost pulled off the unthinkable
- the restructuring of the politics of the Middle East in less than
three years.
"Gary", compare the massive accomplishment of George W. Bush and the US
military to the intellectual thin gruel you offer: "If this is all
about being a he-man John Wayne testosterony "bring it on" mentality,
why are we being girly-man chicken-***** panty waists and letting all
our soldiers get killed over there in ambushes instead of fighting them
MAN TO MAN over here? "
....you want America to abandon a winning policy, one that has liberalte
50 million Iraqi's and has created the first Democracy that part of the
world has seen, to ingage in suicide on the home front?
Finally, your bitterness has driven you insane. Literally insane.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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24 Nov 2005 11:11:54 PM |
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wrote:
They hate us. This much is undebatable. >>>
No question, the brutal thugs were were in powers of position under
Saddam hate our guts. What is far more interesting to note is that
the average citizen DOESN'T hate Americans. If they did, America
wouldn't have 2100 casualties, but 100,000.
Prior to the escalation in Viet Nam US soldiers were taught in basic
training that without the support of the people no resistance movement could
succeed.
They used the French resistance during WWII as an example where the people
did support it, even though the Germans killed thousands of citizens in
retaliation for attacks on military targets.
They used an insurrection in the Philippines as an example of a failed
revolt because the people did not support the revolutionaries. "The
insurgent are fish and the people are the water"
They stopped teaching this once things heated up in Viet Nam but are
allegedly teaching it to the officers again today.
80% of the people want the US out and well over half believe attacks on the
soldiers are justified.
It won't stop until the US is out.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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24 Nov 2005 11:24:25 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:11:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Mike Painter ("Mike
Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
bvallely@aol.com wrote:
They hate us. This much is undebatable. >>>
No question, the brutal thugs were were in powers of position under
Saddam hate our guts. What is far more interesting to note is that
the average citizen DOESN'T hate Americans. If they did, America
wouldn't have 2100 casualties, but 100,000.
Prior to the escalation in Viet Nam US soldiers were taught in basic
training that without the support of the people no resistance movement could
succeed.
They used the French resistance during WWII as an example where the people
did support it, even though the Germans killed thousands of citizens in
retaliation for attacks on military targets.
They used an insurrection in the Philippines as an example of a failed
revolt because the people did not support the revolutionaries. "The
insurgent are fish and the people are the water"
"War of the flea"?
They stopped teaching this once things heated up in Viet Nam but are
allegedly teaching it to the officers again today.
80% of the people want the US out and well over half believe attacks on the
soldiers are justified.
It won't stop until the US is out.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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25 Nov 2005 12:59:57 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:11:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Mike Painter ("Mike
Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
bvallely@aol.com wrote:
They hate us. This much is undebatable. >>>
No question, the brutal thugs were were in powers of position under
Saddam hate our guts. What is far more interesting to note is that
the average citizen DOESN'T hate Americans. If they did, America
wouldn't have 2100 casualties, but 100,000.
Prior to the escalation in Viet Nam US soldiers were taught in basic
training that without the support of the people no resistance
movement could succeed.
They used the French resistance during WWII as an example where the
people did support it, even though the Germans killed thousands of
citizens in retaliation for attacks on military targets.
They used an insurrection in the Philippines as an example of a
failed revolt because the people did not support the
revolutionaries. "The insurgent are fish and the people are the
water"
"War of the flea"?
Possibly a better analogy but I'd not heard it before. (Yes, you made me
look;)
The retired general that spoke on NPR last week talked of those "fleas" (my
word) as getting better and better, learning new things and not abandoning
the old.
He spoke of them respectfully, as intelligent, dedicated, fellow soldiers
rather than the way the neocons do.
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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25 Nov 2005 01:20:35 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:11:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Mike Painter ("Mike
Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
bvallely@aol.com wrote:
They hate us. This much is undebatable. >>>
No question, the brutal thugs were were in powers of position under
Saddam hate our guts. What is far more interesting to note is that
the average citizen DOESN'T hate Americans. If they did, America
wouldn't have 2100 casualties, but 100,000.
Prior to the escalation in Viet Nam US soldiers were taught in basic
training that without the support of the people no resistance
movement could succeed.
They used the French resistance during WWII as an example where the
people did support it, even though the Germans killed thousands of
citizens in retaliation for attacks on military targets.
They used an insurrection in the Philippines as an example of a
failed revolt because the people did not support the
revolutionaries. "The insurgent are fish and the people are the
water"
"War of the flea"?
Possibly a better analogy but I'd not heard it before. (Yes, you made me
look;)
The retired general that spoke on NPR last week talked of those "fleas" (my
word) as getting better and better, learning new things and not abandoning
the old.
He spoke of them respectfully, as intelligent, dedicated, fellow soldiers
If they are attacking other soldiers and not civilians in the mosques
and markets, they are acting as soldiers. There is certainly no
requirement that the effort a solider fights for be rational.
rather than the way the neocons do.
What is a "neocon"? I think it is just some sort of insult.
--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
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| User: "" |
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25 Nov 2005 06:31:29 PM |
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What is a "neocon"? I think it is just some sort of insult. >>>
A "neocon" is a Jewish conservative.
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
25 Nov 2005 07:23:24 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2005 10:31:29 -0800, wrote:
What is a "neocon"? I think it is just some sort of insult. >>>
A "neocon" is a Jewish conservative.
very good! There names are Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld, and Kristol,
sound familiar. I am not bothering to look up the spelling of their
names. Cheney is a neocon, I don't know if he is Jewish or not, look
up PANC to find out about what you elected to office.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
25 Nov 2005 05:26:08 AM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:11:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Mike Painter ("Mike
Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
bvallely@aol.com wrote:
They hate us. This much is undebatable. >>>
No question, the brutal thugs were were in powers of position
under Saddam hate our guts. What is far more interesting to note
is that the average citizen DOESN'T hate Americans. If they did,
America wouldn't have 2100 casualties, but 100,000.
Prior to the escalation in Viet Nam US soldiers were taught in
basic training that without the support of the people no resistance
movement could succeed.
They used the French resistance during WWII as an example where the
people did support it, even though the Germans killed thousands of
citizens in retaliation for attacks on military targets.
They used an insurrection in the Philippines as an example of a
failed revolt because the people did not support the
revolutionaries. "The insurgent are fish and the people are the
water"
"War of the flea"?
Possibly a better analogy but I'd not heard it before. (Yes, you
made me look;)
The retired general that spoke on NPR last week talked of those
"fleas" (my word) as getting better and better, learning new things
and not abandoning the old.
He spoke of them respectfully, as intelligent, dedicated, fellow
soldiers
If they are attacking other soldiers and not civilians in the mosques
and markets, they are acting as soldiers. There is certainly no
requirement that the effort a solider fights for be rational.
But if they drop bombs and shell buildings and destroy most of a town to
kill a few alleged insurgents they are ?
But you're probably not talking about what we do.
They feel the need to drive foreign invaders out of their country to be
quite rational.
rather than the way the neocons do.
What is a "neocon"? I think it is just some sort of insult.
Neoconservative = neocon
Neoconservatives.
a.. Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
b.. Share unwavering support for Israel
c.. Support American unilateral action
d.. Support preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US security
e.. Promote the development of an American empire
f.. Equate American power with the potential for world peace
g.. Seek to democratize the Arab world
h.. Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its allies
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| User: "" |
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25 Nov 2005 05:40:44 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
<snip>
What is a "neocon"? I think it is just some sort of insult.
Neoconservative = neocon
Neoconservatives.
a.. Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
b.. Share unwavering support for Israel
c.. Support American unilateral action
d.. Support preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US security
e.. Promote the development of an American empire
f.. Equate American power with the potential for world peace
g.. Seek to democratize the Arab world
h.. Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its allies
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there isn't any group that agrees on
that complete list of items......."NeoCon" is nothing more than a
MYTH......And an Insult........
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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26 Nov 2005 06:22:29 AM |
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wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
<snip>
What is a "neocon"? I think it is just some sort of insult.
Neoconservative = neocon
Neoconservatives.
a.. Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
b.. Share unwavering support for Israel
c.. Support American unilateral action
d.. Support preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US
security e.. Promote the development of an American empire
f.. Equate American power with the potential for world peace
g.. Seek to democratize the Arab world
h.. Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its
allies
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there isn't any group that agrees on
that complete list of items......."NeoCon" is nothing more than a
MYTH......And an Insult........
You clearly don't get out much.
There may not be "groups" but there are a lot of people who believe all that
and more. "My country right or wrong." is not dead.
Of the list which ones do you feel Bush would not be in favor of?
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| User: "RTC" |
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25 Nov 2005 05:47:36 AM |
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Nazi or Fascist are much better terms to describe republicons and
conservatives
limp dicks is good too
<theloneranger100@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1132897244.356322.269720@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mike Painter wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
<snip>
What is a "neocon"? I think it is just some sort of insult.
Neoconservative = neocon
Neoconservatives.
a.. Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
b.. Share unwavering support for Israel
c.. Support American unilateral action
d.. Support preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US
security
e.. Promote the development of an American empire
f.. Equate American power with the potential for world peace
g.. Seek to democratize the Arab world
h.. Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its
allies
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there isn't any group that agrees on
that complete list of items......."NeoCon" is nothing more than a
MYTH......And an Insult........
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| User: "" |
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25 Nov 2005 08:30:39 PM |
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80% of the people want the US out and well over half believe attacks on the
soldiers are justified.>>>
Well, that's a very nice fairy tale liberals tell themselves. Yes, the
majority of Iraqi's want the American's out as soon as possible. The
majority also remember what life was like under Saddam, and want the
Americans to stay until the job is done.
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| User: "Nick J." |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
27 Nov 2005 08:26:17 AM |
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wrote:
80% of the people want the US out and well over half believe attacks on the
soldiers are justified.>>>
Well, that's a very nice fairy tale liberals tell themselves. Yes, the
majority of Iraqi's want the American's out as soon as possible. The
majority also remember what life was like under Saddam, and want the
Americans to stay until the job is done.
Got any cites to back up your second claim there? Or should we just
take your word for it, since you are such a trustworthy guy and all?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
25 Nov 2005 10:42:39 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2005 12:30:39 -0800, wrote:
80% of the people want the US out and well over half believe attacks on the
soldiers are justified.>>>
Well, that's a very nice fairy tale liberals tell themselves. Yes, the
Yet another Bush-wanking liar.
majority of Iraqi's want the American's out as soon as possible. The
majority also remember what life was like under Saddam, and want the
Americans to stay until the job is done.
They see America doing worse than Hussein did.
What "job"? The one America invented and uses as an excuse to stay
there after an invasion that was illegal under international law.
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| User: "Eris" |
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25 Nov 2005 08:47:55 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2005 12:30:39 -0800, wrote:
80% of the people want the US out and well over half believe attacks on the
soldiers are justified.>>>
Well, that's a very nice fairy tale liberals tell themselves. Yes, the
majority of Iraqi's want the American's out as soon as possible. The
majority also remember what life was like under Saddam, and want the
Americans to stay until the job is done.
Amazing that you have such close ties with the Iraqi's, oh you listen
to Rush don't you?
When I was in Nam living in villages with the Viet Namese I was amazed
to learn how they did not want anything to do with freedom, they like
a nice despot who could make a peaceful and ordered society.
"Freedom just another word for nothing left to lose!"
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| User: "" |
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26 Nov 2005 10:51:04 PM |
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When I was in Nam living in villages with the Viet Namese I was amazed
to learn how they did not want anything to do with freedom, they like
a nice despot who could make a peaceful and ordered society.>>>>
You might wish to talk to your therapist about your delusions that you
are a Viet Nam vet.
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
28 Nov 2005 09:10:53 PM |
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On 26 Nov 2005 14:51:04 -0800, wrote:
When I was in Nam living in villages with the Viet Namese I was amazed
to learn how they did not want anything to do with freedom, they like
a nice despot who could make a peaceful and ordered society.>>>>
You might wish to talk to your therapist about your delusions that you
are a Viet Nam vet.
You are a jealous little ***** aren't you? Why didn't you go? I would
have been glad to stay home. You could have been a Marine, or could
you?
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| User: "" |
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30 Nov 2005 07:31:50 AM |
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You might wish to talk to your therapist about your delusions that you
are a Viet Nam vet.
You are a jealous little ***** aren't you? Why didn't you go? I would
have been glad to stay home. You could have been a Marine, or could
you? >>>
I take it then that you've abandoned the "you should let go of your
anger" card, huh? I'm not sure what sort of thrill you get out of
being a transparent liar, but then I've never understood people who
pierce their nipples, either.
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Why NOT bug out of Iraq? |
30 Nov 2005 09:15:28 PM |
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On 29 Nov 2005 23:31:50 -0800, wrote:
You might wish to talk to your therapist about your delusions that you
are a Viet Nam vet.
You are a jealous little ***** aren't you? Why didn't you go? I would
have been glad to stay home. You could have been a Marine, or could
you? >>>
I take it then that you've abandoned the "you should let go of your
anger" card, huh? I'm not sure what sort of thrill you get out of
being a transparent liar, but then I've never understood people who
pierce their nipples, either.
Why don't you answer the question, why weren't you in the military?
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