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30 Oct 2005 02:26:55 AM |
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Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
http://www.markshea.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_markshea_archive.html#113047575501227232
One of the things that puzzles many people is why the secular West--
which allegedly hates Christianity for being violent, authoritarian,
patriarchal, and obscurantist--appears to be bending over backward to
accomodate Foaming Bronze Age Islam.
If one takes a purely materialist or secular ideological approach it
makes no sense whatsoever. However, if one takes seriously the
Christian revelation, everything snaps pretty easily into focus. It's
this:
For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the
principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this
present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the
heavenly places. - Ephesians 6:12
If we clear our minds of the cant that the real struggle of our age is
America vs. Terror, or The West Against the Rest, or The Wealthy Class
Against the Underclass, or Womyn vs. Patriarchy, or all the rest of
that crap and simply bear in mind that the real struggle--the only real
struggle--there is or ever has been is between the Church of Jesus
Christ and the forces of hell, then all of a sudden things start to
make sense. The devil is not choosy: he will attack the Church with
Marxist claptrap and uber-feminist rhetoric and, if that doesn't do the
trick, will drop it for high-octane Islamic lunacy. The key is always:
what opposes the progress of the gospel of Jesus Christ. So don't look
for any consistency in the world but that. You're not up against flesh
and blood.
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30 Oct 2005 05:30:35 PM |
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Leftist and feminist support for the Taliban and Bin
Laden and the rest, is not merely an illusion created by
leftist and feminist opposition to the "war on terror",
and opposition to the "patriot act" that shredded so
many rights. Support Islam and terror long preceded 9/11
and the war on terror - though I would interpret this as
sympathy for despotism and anti capitalism, rather than
for Satan.
For example the supposedly feminist group RAWA's web
site did not exist until the Taliban was threatened,
whereupon their first posting was in defense of the
Taliban.
This supposedly feminist, supposedly anti fundamentalist
organization appeared in 1998, and from its first
appearance, from the beginning its primary business has
been to steadfastly defend arab male fundamentalists
from physical, political, and cultural attack by the
west.
The Taliban flogging women did not cause RAWA to post an
article or start a website.
The Taliban burying women alive did not cause RAWA to
post an article or start a website.
The Taliban organizing mass rapes and abductions did not
cause RAWA to post an article or start a website.
What caused RAWA to start a website and post an article
was the US violating the Taliban's territorial
integrity. When Clinton opened fire on Osama Bin Laden
for the very first time, after some horrendous
terrorists attacks, then RAWA appeared from out of thin
air, and told us:
: : RAWA roundly condemns the US air strikes against
: : Afghanistan because the impoverished masses of
: : Afghanistan --already trapped in the
: : dog-fighting between the US's Taliban and Jihadi
: : flunkeys-- are the ones who are most hurt in the
: : attacks, and also because the US, like the
: : arrogant superpower she is, has violated the
: : sovereignty of the Afghan people and the
: : territorial integrity of the Afghan homeland.
The site sprung into existence in 1998 to condemn the US
attack on Bin Laden, and then, though Taliban crimes
against women continued, the site fell silent for a
year.
Then in October 1999 it sprung into life again - To
condemn Massood's attempts to overthrow the Taliban -
though Masood followed, and his successors continue to
follow, a policy towards women that is reasonably
enlightened by traditional Afghan and Muslim standards -
ordinary oppression, rather than the extraordinary
oppression characteristic of the Taliban and Saudi
Arabia. Under Massood, women were supposed to go to
school, even though they frequently did not.
Then the RAWA website falls silent for another six
months, popping up again in March 11 2000 to condemn UN
sanctions against the Taliban. Eighteen months ago they
called for UN invasion, but when the UN issues
sanctions, suddenly they are unhappy.
Are we seeing a pattern here? RAWA the website supports
hypothetical efforts to overthrow the Taliban, while
condemning each and every concrete act to overthrow the
Taliban, whether from within or without.
RAWA the website supports the overthrow of the Taliban
in principle, yet opposed each and every actual attempt
to overthrow the Taliban, whether from within or
without, whether from Afghans, from the UN, or from the
US - much like the US left supports the overthrow of
Saddam "in principle".
RAWA opposed every group and every action seeking to
overthrow the taliban - the US, Masood, the UN. They
supported UN intervention until the UN intervened,
whereupon they opposed the UN.
You might suppose that RAWA are just some loons, or some
men in turbans and big beards purporting to be
feminists, but they are solidly supported by the damn
near the entire left.
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James A. Donald
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31 Oct 2005 02:55:26 PM |
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Difficult to say. The more bombs that go off, the more the left falls
in love with Islam.
words of truth wrote:
http://www.markshea.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_markshea_archive.html#113047575501227232
One of the things that puzzles many people is why the secular West--
which allegedly hates Christianity for being violent, authoritarian,
patriarchal, and obscurantist--appears to be bending over backward to
accomodate Foaming Bronze Age Islam.
If one takes a purely materialist or secular ideological approach it
makes no sense whatsoever. However, if one takes seriously the
Christian revelation, everything snaps pretty easily into focus. It's
this:
For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the
principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this
present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the
heavenly places. - Ephesians 6:12
If we clear our minds of the cant that the real struggle of our age is
America vs. Terror, or The West Against the Rest, or The Wealthy Class
Against the Underclass, or Womyn vs. Patriarchy, or all the rest of
that crap and simply bear in mind that the real struggle--the only real
struggle--there is or ever has been is between the Church of Jesus
Christ and the forces of hell, then all of a sudden things start to
make sense. The devil is not choosy: he will attack the Church with
Marxist claptrap and uber-feminist rhetoric and, if that doesn't do the
trick, will drop it for high-octane Islamic lunacy. The key is always:
what opposes the progress of the gospel of Jesus Christ. So don't look
for any consistency in the world but that. You're not up against flesh
and blood.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
31 Oct 2005 03:55:18 PM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote...
Difficult to say. The more bombs that go off, the more the left falls
in love with Islam.
Why would that be, considering that we are secularists and all?
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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30 Oct 2005 06:04:51 PM |
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Difficult to say. The more bombs that go off, the
more the left falls in love with Islam.
"Spartakus"
Why would that be, considering that we are secularists
and all?
Read "The Death of Feminism" for a detailed study of the
psychopathology of the left and feminism. It is written
by a leftist and feminist who married a Muslim, and
who subsequently ran away. She indicts feminism for
getting curiously cosy with a religion and culture that
oppresses women.
There is a tendency, not only on the left, but also
among libertarians, see for example Michael Price, to
believe that my enemy's enemy is my friend. The US
government is my enemy - it taxes me, threatens me with
imprisonment, and so forth, so one is apt to unwisely
believe that Bin Laden, Saddam and Mullah Omar are one's
friends.
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| User: "G*rd*n" |
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31 Oct 2005 09:23:45 PM |
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Difficult to say. The more bombs that go off, the
more the left falls in love with Islam.
"Spartakus"
Why would that be, considering that we are secularists
and all?
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com>:
Read "The Death of Feminism" for a detailed study of the
psychopathology of the left and feminism. It is written
by a leftist and feminist who married a Muslim, and
who subsequently ran away. She indicts feminism for
getting curiously cosy with a religion and culture that
oppresses women.
There is a tendency, not only on the left, but also
among libertarians, see for example Michael Price, to
believe that my enemy's enemy is my friend. The US
government is my enemy - it taxes me, threatens me with
imprisonment, and so forth, so one is apt to unwisely
believe that Bin Laden, Saddam and Mullah Omar are one's
friends.
There just isn't much evidence of it. I guess the stuff about
the Left being buddies with Islam is the Big Lie technique;
if you throw enough mud, some will be sure to stick. Anyway,
it's about as worth discussing as Bush's secret plan to blow
up the World Trade Center. Evidence is not required. The
important thing is the mud, and how much you can throw.
Curiously, the real resonance is between the Christian and
Islamic fundamentalist sects. Their criticisms of liberalism
and the West in general are rather similar. I do wish they
could all go to another planet for their little pas de deux,
and not a nearby one, either.
In this case my enemy's enemy is also my enemy's friend,
because the enmity gives both the means to pump up their
already far advanced irrationality and aggression, and
suck normal people into their wretched, stupid, evil
schemes. It's not a good situation.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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31 Oct 2005 12:26:04 PM |
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James A. Donald:
Read "The Death of Feminism" for a detailed study of
the psychopathology of the left and feminism. It is
written by a leftist and feminist who married a
Muslim, and who subsequently ran away. She indicts
feminism for getting curiously cosy with a religion
and culture that oppresses women.
G*rd*n
There just isn't much evidence of it.
In this thread I have cited lots of evidence. What is
wrong with the evidence I have cited?
Here some more:
All you lot are as solidly behind Galloway as you are
behind Chomsky, and Galloway's position on Saddam and
the annexation of Kuwait was and is:
: : Your Excellency, Mr. President, I greet you
: : in the name of the many thousands of people
: : in Britain who stood against the tide and
: : opposed the war and aggression against Iraq.
: : - salute your courage, your strength, your
: : indefatigability.
More recently, this July, he said:
: : Two of your beautiful daughters are in the
: : hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and Baghdad.
: : The foreigners are doing to your daughters as
: : they will. The daughters are crying for help,
: : and the Arab world is silent. Some of them
: : are collaborating with the rape of these two
: : beautiful Arab daughters
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James A. Donald
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| User: "G*rd*n" |
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01 Nov 2005 12:55:37 PM |
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James A. Donald:
Read "The Death of Feminism" for a detailed study of
the psychopathology of the left and feminism. It is
written by a leftist and feminist who married a
Muslim, and who subsequently ran away. She indicts
feminism for getting curiously cosy with a religion
and culture that oppresses women.
G*rd*n
There just isn't much evidence of it.
James A. Donald:
In this thread I have cited lots of evidence. What is
wrong with the evidence I have cited?
Here some more:
All you lot are as solidly behind Galloway as you are
behind Chomsky, and Galloway's position on Saddam and
the annexation of Kuwait was and is:
: : Your Excellency, Mr. President, I greet you
: : in the name of the many thousands of people
: : in Britain who stood against the tide and
: : opposed the war and aggression against Iraq.
: : - salute your courage, your strength, your
: : indefatigability.
More recently, this July, he said:
: : Two of your beautiful daughters are in the
: : hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and Baghdad.
: : The foreigners are doing to your daughters as
: : they will. The daughters are crying for help,
: : and the Arab world is silent. Some of them
: : are collaborating with the rape of these two
: : beautiful Arab daughters
I meant real evidence -- not inflated blather about tiny
minority parties.
I too enjoyed watching Galloway give the Senate hell, as
they richly deserve, but that doesn't mean I, or anyone
else, agree with anything else he says or thinks. It
could be a case of one mafioso calling another a crook.
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31 Oct 2005 02:37:44 PM |
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James A. Donald:
Read "The Death of Feminism" for a detailed
study of the psychopathology of the left and
feminism. It is written by a leftist and
feminist who married a Muslim, and who
subsequently ran away. She indicts feminism for
getting curiously cosy with a religion and
culture that oppresses women.
G*rd*n
There just isn't much evidence of it.
James A. Donald:
In this thread I have cited lots of evidence. What
is wrong with the evidence I have cited?
Here some more:
All you lot are as solidly behind Galloway as you
are behind Chomsky, and Galloway's position on
Saddam and the annexation of Kuwait was and is:
: : Your Excellency, Mr. President, I greet
: : you in the name of the many thousands of
: : people in Britain who stood against the
: : tide and opposed the war and aggression
: : against Iraq. - salute your courage, your
: : strength, your indefatigability.
More recently, this July, he said:
: : Two of your beautiful daughters are in
: : the hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and
: : Baghdad. The foreigners are doing to your
: : daughters as they will. The daughters are
: : crying for help, and the Arab world is
: : silent. Some of them are collaborating
: : with the rape of these two beautiful Arab
: : daughters
G*rd*n:
I meant real evidence -- not inflated blather about
tiny minority parties.
Galloway is not a "tiny minority party" The New York
Times worships at his feet, as a guru and a god.
And, as I keep saying, google for "orientalism"
Or just look at the banners that the protestors will be
carrying in the next protest
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01 Nov 2005 10:41:16 PM |
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James A. Donald:
Read "The Death of Feminism" for a detailed
study of the psychopathology of the left and
feminism. It is written by a leftist and
feminist who married a Muslim, and who
subsequently ran away. She indicts feminism for
getting curiously cosy with a religion and
culture that oppresses women.
G*rd*n
There just isn't much evidence of it.
James A. Donald:
In this thread I have cited lots of evidence. What
is wrong with the evidence I have cited?
Here some more:
All you lot are as solidly behind Galloway as you
are behind Chomsky, and Galloway's position on
Saddam and the annexation of Kuwait was and is:
: : Your Excellency, Mr. President, I greet
: : you in the name of the many thousands of
: : people in Britain who stood against the
: : tide and opposed the war and aggression
: : against Iraq. - salute your courage, your
: : strength, your indefatigability.
More recently, this July, he said:
: : Two of your beautiful daughters are in
: : the hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and
: : Baghdad. The foreigners are doing to your
: : daughters as they will. The daughters are
: : crying for help, and the Arab world is
: : silent. Some of them are collaborating
: : with the rape of these two beautiful Arab
: : daughters
G*rd*n:
I meant real evidence -- not inflated blather about
tiny minority parties.
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com>:
Galloway is not a "tiny minority party" The New York
Times worships at his feet, as a guru and a god.
Do they really? Judith Miller's rag? Why wan't I
informed?
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com>:
And, as I keep saying, google for "orientalism"
Or just look at the banners that the protestors will be
carrying in the next protest
"Heil Galloway!" no doubt.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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01 Nov 2005 09:05:49 AM |
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G*rd*n wrote:
Difficult to say. The more bombs that go off, the
more the left falls in love with Islam.
"Spartakus"
Why would that be, considering that we are secularists
and all?
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com>:
Read "The Death of Feminism" for a detailed study of the
psychopathology of the left and feminism. It is written
by a leftist and feminist who married a Muslim, and
who subsequently ran away. She indicts feminism for
getting curiously cosy with a religion and culture that
oppresses women.
There is a tendency, not only on the left, but also
among libertarians, see for example Michael Price, to
believe that my enemy's enemy is my friend. The US
government is my enemy - it taxes me, threatens me with
imprisonment, and so forth, so one is apt to unwisely
believe that Bin Laden, Saddam and Mullah Omar are one's
friends.
There just isn't much evidence of it. I guess the stuff about
the Left being buddies with Islam is the Big Lie technique;
if you throw enough mud, some will be sure to stick. Anyway,
it's about as worth discussing as Bush's secret plan to blow
up the World Trade Center. Evidence is not required. The
important thing is the mud, and how much you can throw.
Curiously, the real resonance is between the Christian and
Islamic fundamentalist sects. Their criticisms of liberalism
and the West in general are rather similar. I do wish they
could all go to another planet for their little pas de deux,
and not a nearby one, either.
In this case my enemy's enemy is also my enemy's friend,
because the enmity gives both the means to pump up their
already far advanced irrationality and aggression, and
suck normal people into their wretched, stupid, evil
schemes. It's not a good situation.
Its not the liberals who support fundy Islam.
Its Bush who has made any number of speeches
telling us Islam is a religion of peace, ignoring
all of history.
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The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
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31 Oct 2005 12:44:02 PM |
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wbarwell
Its not the liberals who support fundy Islam. Its Bush
who has made any number of speeches telling us Islam
is a religion of peace, ignoring all of history.
In Bush's defense, that is a diplomatic lie - his job is
to say what divides, or at least fails to unite, our
enemies, not to tell the truth.
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01 Nov 2005 01:16:24 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
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wbarwell
Its not the liberals who support fundy Islam. Its Bush
who has made any number of speeches telling us Islam
is a religion of peace, ignoring all of history.
In Bush's defense, that is a diplomatic lie - his job is
to say what divides, or at least fails to unite, our
enemies, not to tell the truth.
How do you know he's lying, other than he's Bush?
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The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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01 Nov 2005 01:07:34 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
James A. Donald wrote:
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wbarwell
Its not the liberals who support fundy Islam. Its Bush
who has made any number of speeches telling us Islam
is a religion of peace, ignoring all of history.
In Bush's defense, that is a diplomatic lie - his job is
to say what divides, or at least fails to unite, our
enemies, not to tell the truth.
How do you know he's lying, other than he's Bush?
Islam IS a religion of peace. Not all Islamics are peaceful, but
neither does religion dictate all of life.
If you want a religion of war, check out Sikhism - the Sikhs are
required to carry a ceremonial dagger at all times. On the other hand,
the Sikhs are among the most gentle people I have ever met.
Moses was the leader of the doctrine that religion = war.
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31 Oct 2005 02:41:50 PM |
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"Terry Cross":
Islam IS a religion of peace. Not all Islamics are
peaceful, but neither does religion dictate all of
life.
If you want a religion of war, check out Sikhism - the
Sikhs are required to carry a ceremonial dagger at all
times. On the other hand, the Sikhs are among the
most gentle people I have ever met.
Sikhs are required to defend themselves, unlike
Christians, but like Christians, forbidden to attack.
Muslims are encouraged and permitted to attack, to rape,
and to rob.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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31 Oct 2005 04:18:03 PM |
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Secularists, Socialists, Communists...The whole goal is to erase God from
all pictures. Great Grampa the Gorilla, free to be you and me, no Creator
of the Universe with a design that includes people on a low economic
plane...with great hearts....people on a high economic plane with no heart.
Liberalism is a euphenism for Socialism....so that the egoists can remain at
the top in the name of the cause...self.
"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote...
Difficult to say. The more bombs that go off, the more the left falls
in love with Islam.
Why would that be, considering that we are secularists and all?
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01 Nov 2005 03:24:53 AM |
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Mary Hogan wrote:
"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote...
<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote...
Difficult to say. The more bombs that go off, the more the left falls
in love with Islam.
Why would that be, considering that we are secularists and all?
Secularists, Socialists, Communists...The whole goal is to erase God from
all pictures. Great Grampa the Gorilla, free to be you and me, no Creator
of the Universe with a design that includes people on a low economic
plane...with great hearts....people on a high economic plane with no heart.
You should educate yourself on who really has the interests of people
"on a low economic plane" at heart. It's not the corporatists, that is
for sure.
Btw, you didn't answer my question.
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| User: "surety" |
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30 Oct 2005 12:54:19 PM |
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I would also say one commonality between Islam and liberals is that
God's Word is twisted in both cases to suit their 'theology' instead of
submitting to 'Thus saith the Lord'. Authority of G-d versus authority
of man.
-richard
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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30 Oct 2005 05:26:39 PM |
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"surety" <nuncdimittis@aaahawk.com> wrote
I would also say one commonality between Islam and liberals is that
God's Word is twisted in both cases to suit their 'theology' instead of
submitting to 'Thus saith the Lord'. Authority of G-d versus authority
of man.
They have almost nothing in common except being wrong.
The Muslim believes very firmly in the authority of God, as revealed to
Mohammed in the Koran. The liberal believes that human reason takes primacy
in determing what ethics should be.
The Catholic believes in the authority of the church to teach on moral
issues, and the church uses both human reason (like the liberals) and
revealed scripture (like the Muslims), and tries to reconcile them.
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31 Oct 2005 12:05:54 AM |
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They are both wrong as you say because they start from the wrong
source. The liberals start from man and his reason. The muslims start
from man (Mohammed) and his visions. Both have not the revelation from
God in their promouncements but rather the vain imaginations of man.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
01 Nov 2005 06:19:13 AM |
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On 30 Oct 2005 22:05:54 -0800, "surety" <nuncdimittis@aaahawk.com>
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They are both wrong as you say because they start from the wrong
source. The liberals start from man and his reason. The muslims start
from man (Mohammed) and his visions. Both have not the revelation from
God in their promouncements but rather the vain imaginations of man.
Don't be so fucking stupid.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
01 Nov 2005 07:41:38 AM |
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surety wrote:
They are both wrong as you say because they start from the wrong
source. The liberals start from man and his reason. The muslims start
from man (Mohammed) and his visions. Both have not the revelation from
God in their promouncements but rather the vain imaginations of man.
The Muslims did not start with Mohammad and his vision
Mohammad start right in the Torah Deut 18:14-19
where Peter even Paul started.
Are you implying that Peter and Paul pronouncements
were vain imagination of man?
Then the whole "New Testament" is junk
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
02 Nov 2005 11:31:44 PM |
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If Mohammed is the fulfillment of Deut.18:14-19 then Jesus is not and
the 2nd testament is of no effect which testifies that Jesus is the
fulfillment of the Deuteronomy passage -Acts7:37. The problem is Peter,
Paul and Stephen testified that Jesus is Messiah and there are none
others to come later e.g. a Mohammed in the 7th cent. So which is it?
I'll chose Peter and Paul's choice.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
07 Nov 2005 09:53:38 AM |
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wrote:
If Mohammed is the fulfillment of Deut.18:14-19 then Jesus is not and
the 2nd testament is of no effect which testifies that Jesus is the
fulfillment of the Deuteronomy passage -Acts7:37. The problem is Peter,
Paul and Stephen testified that Jesus is Messiah and there are none
others to come later e.g. a Mohammed in the 7th cent. So which is it?
I'll chose Peter and Paul's choice.
No one said that Mohammad was the fufillement of Deut 18:14-19
What I said was that Mohammad was a euphemism for Messiah
which Deut 18:14-19 was about.
Have you ever heard about METAPHOR?
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
03 Nov 2005 12:05:00 AM |
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wrote:
If Mohammed is the fulfillment of Deut.18:14-19 then Jesus is not and
the 2nd testament is of no effect which testifies that Jesus is the
fulfillment of the Deuteronomy passage -Acts7:37. The problem is Peter,
Paul and Stephen testified that Jesus is Messiah and there are none
others to come later e.g. a Mohammed in the 7th cent. So which is it?
I'll chose Peter and Paul's choice.
This is a straw man. Exactly zero Muslims have ever claimed that
Muhammet is the Jewish Messiah.
You either jest without humor,
Or attest without truth.
TCross
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
30 Oct 2005 01:19:03 PM |
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On 2005-10-30 10:54:19 -0800, "surety" <nuncdimittis@aaahawk.com> said:
I would also say one commonality between Islam and liberals is that
God's Word is twisted in both cases to suit their 'theology' instead of
submitting to 'Thus saith the Lord'. Authority of G-d versus authority
of man.
-richard
Well, that's your perception. Enjoy it.
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GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
"Genocide is used sparingly by God in only extreme circumstances." -Jim Spaza
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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31 Oct 2005 05:40:29 AM |
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655321 wrote:
On 2005-10-30 10:54:19 -0800, "surety" <nuncdimittis@aaahawk.com>
said:
I would also say one commonality between Islam and liberals is that
God's Word is twisted in both cases to suit their 'theology'
instead of
submitting to 'Thus saith the Lord'. Authority of G-d versus
authority of man.
-richard
Well, that's your perception. Enjoy it.
Where do we get these teeny -tiny brained far right
***** monkeys anyway?
I know of no liberals that have any love for the
backwardsness of what passes as Islam nowadays.
But the far right has long kissed Saudi ***** and supported Saddam
Hussein for years.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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31 Oct 2005 09:49:50 AM |
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wbarwell
I know of no liberals that have any love for the
backwardsness of what passes as Islam nowadays.
Oh come on.
Google for "orientalism"
The liberals hate Christianity so much that they go gaga
for a religion that makes women wear bags over their
heads.
--digsig
James A. Donald
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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31 Oct 2005 10:35:12 AM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
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wbarwell
I know of no liberals that have any love for the
backwardsness of what passes as Islam nowadays.
Oh come on.
Google for "orientalism"
Again, I know a lot of liberals and all despise
Islam, the Khomeinis, Wahabis, the backwardness,
the anti-woman bigotry, the ignorance, illiteracy
and religous fanaticism.
The lying claims that liberals somehow support any
of this is total ***** from tiny brained morons.
We have for example, Saudi Arabia, where women can't get
drivers licenses. That has never bothered the right
wingers as far as I can see, but I know no liberals
who do not sneer at this sort of benighted
backwardness of these desert goat herds.
Wherever Islam squats, life is bad. I know no liberals
who do not know this and hate what these fools inflict
on themselves.
Nobody loves their backward religion.
Liberals decried the Talibans incredibly cruel
treatment of woman and minorities when they took
over Afghanistan, and I do not see liberals
happy that this sort of ugly backwardmness is
settling in on Iraq.
The liberals hate Christianity so much that they go gaga
for a religion that makes women wear bags over their
heads.
No, liberals hate that sort of ***** while most you morons
never really care. To you its feminazi whining.
Obviously, you are a hate filled moron.
A typical far right cretin with the typical
right winger IQ of 82.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
31 Oct 2005 12:10:17 PM |
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wbarwell:
Again, I know a lot of liberals and all despise Islam,
the Khomeinis, Wahabis, the backwardness, the
anti-woman bigotry, the ignorance, illiteracy and
religous fanaticism.
When Massood and company were fighting to overthrow the
Taliban, which side were the liberals on?
They oppose Wahabism the way they supposedly oppose
fascism. They are against "fascism" in the sense of the
"fascism" of George Bush, not the fascism of Tojo and
Mussolini. Similarly they opposed the "anti-woman
bigotry, the ignorance, illiteracy and religious
fanaticism" of Massood, but not, however, of the
Taliban. Who was it protested the Taliban before 9/11?
It was the Christians.
We see the same thing happening today with regard to the
Sudan. What is the liberal stance on slavery and
genocide? Well theoretically they are against it, but
in practice ....
Here is the Brooking's Institution on Sudan:
: : I think we ought to be putting most of our
: : effort there and developing a long-run
: : structure which Richard can talk even more
: : forcefully about with regard to the United
: : States supporting the African Union by naming
: : an ambassador to it, by getting fully engaged
: : in a diplomatic process.
I searched the Brooking's institute website for Sudan,
checked the first article that came up "The crisis in
Sudan". The document curiously fails to mention
slavery etc, and recommends such actions as quoted above
to piously show the Brooking's institute is against
whatever bad stuff is happening in Sudan, even if it
somehow cannot bring itself to actually mention what bad
stuff is happening in Sudan.
The lying claims that liberals somehow support any of
this is total ***** from tiny brained morons.
See my examination of the history of the RAWA website:
Message-ID: <vtkam1pdiumdtcer6rus3r67imldu48ktf@4ax.com>
Or google for "orientalism"
We have for example, Saudi Arabia, where women can't
get drivers licenses. That has never bothered the
right wingers as far as I can see, but I know no
liberals who do not sneer at this sort of benighted
backwardness of these desert goat herds.
On the other hand, routine torture of women by the
taliban, and organized mass rape and abduction of women
by Sudan and the Taliban has never bothered liberals.
As I keep saying, google for orientalism.
Liberals decried the Talibans incredibly cruel
treatment of woman and minorities when they took over
Afghanistan,
As I recall, it was Christians that did that, not
liberals. The Liberals decried the backwardness of the
*enemies* of the Taliban, even though the enemies of the
Taliban were a lot more civilized than the Taliban.
This very much resembles the argument on fascism, where
the liberals oppose such "fascists" as George Bush, but
not such actual fascists as Tojo, who somehow they can
never call fascist.. Similarly they oppose such
"Taliban" as Massood, but not actual Taliban like Mullah
Omar.
Googling the Brooking's institute website for Mullah
Omar, the only explicitly unfavorable reference to
Mullah Omar refers to him as "warlord", implying that
Mullah Omar is no better than those who sought to
overthrow him - but no worse either. Nothing on the
Brookings web site mentions Mullah Omar in the context
of oppression of women, enforcement of certain religious
beliefs, suppression of all other religious beliefs,
etc.
and I do not see liberals happy that this sort of ugly
backwardmness is settling in on Iraq.
Seems that Iraq is the only place where they are unhappy
about it. As I keep saying, google for "orientalism"
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James A. Donald
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Why Secular Liberals Hate Christianity, But Love Islam ? |
31 Oct 2005 01:16:00 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
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wbarwell:
Again, I know a lot of liberals and all despise Islam,
the Khomeinis, Wahabis, the backwardness, the
anti-woman bigotry, the ignorance, illiteracy and
religous fanaticism.
When Massood and company were fighting to overthrow the
Taliban, which side were the liberals on?
Not the taliban you *****.
What is it about you brain damaged far right *****
monkeys? Why do you make up so many ludicrous,
stupid, obviously wrongheaded lies?
To show people just how stupid you are?
Nobody was in favor of the Taliban when they showed
themselves to be the murderous shits they were.
You are a prime exapmple of what is wrong with
extremist right wingers.
Yoy behave like Taliban yourself.
No lie to big and too ludicrous to utter.
You are un-American, un-patriotic and stupid.
You are like the Nazis of the 30's who screamed out
incredibly stupid litanies of lies about anybody
they did not like.
You are a fraud all the way, intellectuyal fraud, moral
fraud, ethical fraud, political fraud and personal fraud.
What turned you into a hysterical, lying creep?
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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