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"Budikka666" |
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22 Jan 2007 08:54:43 PM |
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Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
Another reason we know the Bible lies is that we do not have even one
original text. Not one. Neither do we know who the authors are in the
vast majority of instances, nor do we have any testimony as to their
veracity, integrity or reliability. What do we even know with any
confidence, of their agenda?
Bart Ehrman, in "Misquoting Jesus"
http://tinyurl.com/2ffneb
goes into some introductory detail about, as an example, the book of
Galatians. Galatians may well be the very earliest piece of the NT
that we have. The earliest reasonably complete manuscript of it is
incomplete and dates to 150 years after Paul wrote it.
Do one hundred and fifty years of copying lie behind it - or are there
150 lies behind its copy? Or both? We know that this epistle was a
desperate one - written when the Christian movement had already begun
to collapse under its own dead weight, and Paul had the nerve to diss
the Rock upon which Jesus had (so legend has it) built his church!
We believe that Paul never wrote it himself, but we don't know if he
dictated it word for word or just gave the gist of it to a scribe, who
filled in the details. It's possible he didn't even do that much.
We don't know exactly what he means by "...the churches of Galatia..."
for that matter, but we do know this was one of the epistles which
wrested Christianity from the Jews it was originally delivered to by
its titular founder.
Paul wasn't one of the apostles. It's hard to meet a myth, but even if
there were a Jesus, Paul most certainly never met him. Yet he took
over the church and in his own image he made it. He made it so
strongly in his image that there was a huge fight - and not one of
Jesus' apostles won it. Paul won it.
Saul of Tarsus - the enemy of Christianity, the Roman who was dedicated
to bringing it down - actually succeeded in his quest, by pretending to
go over to the enemy and shredding their movement from the inside!
This is why there are or have been some 20,000 Christian sects in the
world - twenty thousand sects worshipoping the "one true god". A new
one every month, every year since it began. Paul usurped Christianity
from its mythical founder! The whole Christian edifice is a lie!
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
24 Jan 2007 05:19:45 AM |
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On 22 Jan 2007 18:54:43 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Another reason we know the Bible lies is that we do not have even one
original text.
Heeeeeyyyyyyy, dud, now that's an outstanding observation to declare a lie. Did
the tooth fairy take your tooth last night?
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?fiBT5GJs6yB+?=" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
24 Jan 2007 03:45:24 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2007 18:54:43 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Another reason we know the Bible lies is that we do not have even one
original text.
Heeeeeyyyyyyy, dud, now that's an outstanding observation to declare a
lie. Did
the tooth fairy take your tooth last night?
Why don't you just give her a sensible answer?
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SA...........
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
25 Jan 2007 05:08:33 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:45:24 -0600, ~ Säblë ~ <Sable666@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason we know the Bible lies is that we do not have even one
original text.
Heeeeeyyyyyyy, dud, now that's an outstanding observation to declare a
lie. Did the tooth fairy take your tooth last night?
Why don't you just give her a sensible answer?
My answer has more moral fiber than her question.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
24 Jan 2007 05:51:28 PM |
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Someone who is, quite literally, astronomically stupid deserves no
response other than this:
http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
25 Jan 2007 05:08:52 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2007 15:51:28 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Someone who is, quite literally, astronomically stupid deserves no
response other than this:
http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg
Budikka
Hey, dud, that's what I said about you.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
27 Jan 2007 03:20:17 AM |
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On Jan 25, 5:08 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Jan 2007 15:51:28 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Someone who is, quite literally, astronomically stupid deserves no
response other than this:
http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg
BudikkaHey, dud, that's what I said about you.
So just how *did* Noah the bacterium build that ark prior to the global
flood of 4 billion BC? Did he navigate by that non-rotating moon, do
you suppose?
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
27 Jan 2007 08:02:18 AM |
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On 27 Jan 2007 01:20:17 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Someone who is, quite literally, astronomically stupid deserves no
response other than this:
http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg
BudikkaHey, dud, that's what I said about you.
So just how *did* Noah the bacterium build that ark prior to the global
flood of 4 billion BC? Did he navigate by that non-rotating moon, do
you suppose?
Personally I have no idea. I've always said no one knows if there was a Noahan
flood or not.
YOU are the dumb one that says there wasn't. I keep asking you how do you know?
The moon, of course, is like a ball on a string.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
27 Jan 2007 10:34:10 AM |
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On Jan 27, 8:02 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 27 Jan 2007 01:20:17 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Someone who is, quite literally, astronomically stupid deserves no
response other than this:
http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg
BudikkaHey, dud, that's what I said about you.
So just how *did* Noah the bacterium build that ark prior to the global
flood of 4 billion BC? Did he navigate by that non-rotating moon, do
you suppose?Personally I have no idea. I've always said no one knows if there was a Noahan
flood or not.
If the Bible doesn't lie, there was, according to Bible chronology as
laid out in Luke, a global flood some 4,300 years ago.
Unfortunately, there isn't a single shred of scientific evidence for a
catastrophic global flood as depicted in Genesis, not 4,300 years ago,
nor at any time in the past as far as geology records. The facts of
science mitigate heavily against a global flood even being possible.
If there was no flood, the Bible actually *does* lie, and is therefore
not a reliable guide to any god, to any god's plans, or to any god's
purposes and isn't worth the parchment it's written on.
It, like you, is that simple. The fact that you've been repeatedly
hammered with these simple facts and still don't get it is reliable
proof that you're an idiot.
Until and unless you start presenting **EVIDENCE** to support your
inane vacuous blather, you're not worth talking to. That register
with you?
In fact, until you get sufficient smarts to realize that the Moon does
indeed rotate about its axis, you're not worth even this much
explanation because you lack the intellect to grasp basic science.
Got it now, Dimwit?
Budikka
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| User: "Zhadow" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
23 Jan 2007 06:59:37 PM |
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On Jan 22, 9:54 pm, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Another reason we know the Bible lies is that we do not have even one
original text. Not one. Neither do we know who the authors are in the
vast majority of instances, nor do we have any testimony as to their
veracity, integrity or reliability. What do we even know with any
confidence, of their agenda?
Well... your right... This make all documents refering to Alexander the
great suspect as well.
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
23 Jan 2007 09:19:23 PM |
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Zhadow wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Another reason we know the Bible lies is that we do not have
even one original text. Not one. Neither do we know who the
authors are in the vast majority of instances, nor do we have
any testimony as to their veracity, integrity or reliability.
What do we even know with any confidence, of their agenda?
Well... your right... This make all documents refering to
Alexander the great suspect as well.
So?
Asserting that Alexander was a mortal human king who conquered a
great part of the world, leaving cities such as Alexandria in his
wake, is not a spectacular claim. It is unfortunate that the
record of his life is not more complete, but of no ultimate
significance.
Asserting that Jesus Christ was the miracle-working son of the
Virgin Mary and YHWH, yada yada, is a claim so astounding as to
defy all logic, experience, and extant evidence. And, if the claim
actually /is/ true, it truly is of ultimate significance.
Which is why it's regrettable that there's not as much as we'd
like about Alexander, but a slam-dunk case that there's absolutely
zero credible evidence of Jesus combined with mountains of
evidence that he didn't exist.
Now, if you had compared Jesus to Hercules or Orpheus or Oedipus
instead of Alexander, you would have had an excellent point. It
just wouldn't have been the point you were trying to make with
your Alexander reference....
Cheers,
b&
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| User: "Uncle Clover" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
22 Jan 2007 09:10:55 PM |
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Why The Holy Bible lies:
The Holy Bible lies because it is much longer and wider than it is thick. It is
the ratio of length and width to thickness that determines how likely a Bible is
to be able to do anything other than lie down. The less thick it is, the more
difficult it is to keep it standing on any of its narrow sides.
In that, The Holy Bible bears some resemblance to a certain minority of the
Christians who believe themselves to follow it: As with the bloated-egos of
this certain minority of Christians, both they and The Bible can be said to be
"top-heavy" when standing upright. Another similarity is that as with The
Bible, which stands much more easily the thicker it is, a believer's faith is
much more easily upheld by an increased thickness in their skulls.
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L8r,
Uncle Clover
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Beauty is where you see it.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
23 Jan 2007 04:40:37 PM |
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Uncle Clover wrote:
Why The Holy Bible lies:
The Holy Bible lies because it is much longer and wider than it is thick. It is
the ratio of length and width to thickness that determines how likely a Bible is
to be able to do anything other than lie down. The less thick it is, the more
difficult it is to keep it standing on any of its narrow sides.
In that, The Holy Bible bears some resemblance to a certain minority of the
Christians who believe themselves to follow it: As with the bloated-egos of
this certain minority of Christians, both they and The Bible can be said to be
"top-heavy" when standing upright. Another similarity is that as with The
Bible, which stands much more easily the thicker it is, a believer's faith is
much more easily upheld by an increased thickness in their skulls.
You should have saved this one for April first! It's a good one!
Budikka
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| User: "Uncle Clover" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
23 Jan 2007 04:48:19 PM |
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On 23 Jan 2007 14:40:37 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Uncle Clover wrote:
Why The Holy Bible lies:
The Holy Bible lies because it is much longer and wider than it is thick. It is
the ratio of length and width to thickness that determines how likely a Bible is
to be able to do anything other than lie down. The less thick it is, the more
difficult it is to keep it standing on any of its narrow sides.
In that, The Holy Bible bears some resemblance to a certain minority of the
Christians who believe themselves to follow it: As with the bloated-egos of
this certain minority of Christians, both they and The Bible can be said to be
"top-heavy" when standing upright. Another similarity is that as with The
Bible, which stands much more easily the thicker it is, a believer's faith is
much more easily upheld by an increased thickness in their skulls.
You should have saved this one for April first! It's a good one!
Why thank ya', thank yah verrah' much. ;-) But why April 1st? Wouldn't I have
to be -lying- or something for it to be appropriate on that particular day? :-?
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
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Beauty is where you see it.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
23 Jan 2007 05:08:21 PM |
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On Jan 23, 4:48 pm, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On 23 Jan 2007 14:40:37 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Uncle Clover wrote:
Why The Holy Bible lies:
The Holy Bible lies because it is much longer and wider than it is thick. It is
the ratio of length and width to thickness that determines how likely a Bible is
to be able to do anything other than lie down. The less thick it is, the more
difficult it is to keep it standing on any of its narrow sides.
In that, The Holy Bible bears some resemblance to a certain minority of the
Christians who believe themselves to follow it: As with the bloated-egos of
this certain minority of Christians, both they and The Bible can be said to be
"top-heavy" when standing upright. Another similarity is that as with The
Bible, which stands much more easily the thicker it is, a believer's faith is
much more easily upheld by an increased thickness in their skulls.
You should have saved this one for April first! It's a good one!Why thank ya', thank yah verrah' much. ;-) But why April 1st? Wouldn't I have
to be -lying- or something for it to be appropriate on that particular day? :-?
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L8r,
Uncle Clover
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Beauty is where you see it.
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LoL! You have a point.
Budikka
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
23 Jan 2007 08:59:06 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1169593701.796541.151630@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 23, 4:48 pm, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On 23 Jan 2007 14:40:37 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net>
wrote:
Uncle Clover wrote:
Why The Holy Bible lies:
The Holy Bible lies because it is much longer and wider than it is
thick. It is
the ratio of length and width to thickness that determines how likely
a Bible is
to be able to do anything other than lie down. The less thick it is,
the more
difficult it is to keep it standing on any of its narrow sides.
In that, The Holy Bible bears some resemblance to a certain minority
of the
Christians who believe themselves to follow it: As with the
bloated-egos of
this certain minority of Christians, both they and The Bible can be
said to be
"top-heavy" when standing upright. Another similarity is that as
with The
Bible, which stands much more easily the thicker it is, a believer's
faith is
much more easily upheld by an increased thickness in their skulls.
You should have saved this one for April first! It's a good one!Why
thank ya', thank yah verrah' much. ;-) But why April 1st? Wouldn't I
have
to be -lying- or something for it to be appropriate on that particular
day? :-?
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
___________________________
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Beauty is where you see it.
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LoL! You have a point.
Budikka
1st of April is 'All Fools Day'.
When would be more appropriate to point out to fundies their lack of
intelligence?
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Holy Bible Lies #2 |
27 Jan 2007 10:35:11 AM |
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On Jan 23, 8:59 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:1169593701.796541.151630@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 23, 4:48 pm, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On 23 Jan 2007 14:40:37 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net>
wrote:
Uncle Clover wrote:
Why The Holy Bible lies:
The Holy Bible lies because it is much longer and wider than it is
thick. It is
the ratio of length and width to thickness that determines how likely
a Bible is
to be able to do anything other than lie down. The less thick it is,
the more
difficult it is to keep it standing on any of its narrow sides.
In that, The Holy Bible bears some resemblance to a certain minority
of the
Christians who believe themselves to follow it: As with the
bloated-egos of
this certain minority of Christians, both they and The Bible can be
said to be
"top-heavy" when standing upright. Another similarity is that as
with The
Bible, which stands much more easily the thicker it is, a believer's
faith is
much more easily upheld by an increased thickness in their skulls.
You should have saved this one for April first! It's a good one!Why
thank ya', thank yah verrah' much. ;-) But why April 1st? Wouldn't I
have
to be -lying- or something for it to be appropriate on that particular
day? :-?
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
___________________________
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Beauty is where you see it.
___________________________
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LoL! You have a point.
Budikka1st of April is 'All Fools Day'.
When would be more appropriate to point out to fundies their lack of
intelligence?
Today?!
Budikka
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