Religions > Atheism > Why the Israeli's are ***** scared of letting the Palestinians vote
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"TheMan" |
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03 Feb 2004 12:36:22 AM |
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Why the Israeli's are ***** scared of letting the Palestinians vote |
The reason why they call the West bank and Gaza Strip occupied territories
sometimes, and Israels land other times has to be examined.
You see the problem is, the Jews want the land but not the civilians who
live on it. The reason why this is so, Israeli minority can continue on with
it's fradulent "democracy" without giving these people a vote. No wonder
there is a uprising by the Israeli Arab population against a government
voted in by a extremist minority(the Zionazi jews)
It sort of reminds me of Iraq, and Saddam running the show with the support
of the minority Sunni's, while at the same time slaughtering the majority
Shiites. These civilians of Israel want a vote, and want a voice, but they
are being oppressed by a government voted in by a minority.
We should support this civilian uprising, something the Shiites tried to do
but failed. Hopefully these Palestinians will be successful.
(Information sourced from www.encyclopedia.com)
The Gaza Strip (2003 est. pop. 1,200,000) is a rectangular coastal area
(c.140 sq mi/370 sq km) on the Mediterranean Sea adjoining Egypt and Israel,
in what was formerly SW Palestine.
Westbank, formerly part of Palestine , after 1949 administered by Jordan,
since 1967 occupied by Israel (1995 est. pop. 1,320,000)
officially State of Israel, republic (1995 est. pop. 5,607,900),
Israel proper is made up of about 82% Jews, about 16% Arabs, and 2% Druze
and others.
Total Arab vote 60%.
-TheMan-
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11 Feb 2004 09:39:27 AM |
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BWAWAWAWAWAWA!!!!!! Go fuk youzself Razovic.
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:31:13 -0600, "Darren Morefield"
<cypherpunk@btinternet.com> wrote:
Andrzej the Polack Mental Midget <renagadde@anglican.org> wrote:
How desperate do you have to be to be a wannabe jew?
How dumb a Polack do you have to be to post the exact
same message year after year?
Remember the Russians, boy Andrzej.
Poor Cypherfart...the buttplugger's been reduced to using random names
to avoid forgeries. What a putz!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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| User: "torresD" |
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08 Feb 2004 05:41:17 PM |
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Rachel Corrie's Death in Pictures
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
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| User: "Tilly" |
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08 Feb 2004 07:56:25 PM |
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torresD wrote:
Rachel Corrie's Death in Pictures
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
Why do have to post the same stuff more than once Torres?
Tilly
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| User: "TheMan" |
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05 Feb 2004 09:46:26 PM |
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TheMan wrote:
Well Howards a known US arse-licker but this is
irrelevent... we
STILL vote against Israel in U.N
Do it.I am waiting. Remeber to tell us how many
resolutions
there
have been altogether.
NOW STOP FUCKING LYING JEW.
Where did she lie?
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are
enforceable?
They are all enforcable, they are security council ones
which
Australia was
once part of.
If you want to see the ones Australia didn't support on
the
General
Assembly, uno the ones you call unenforcable like
resolution
181(which makes
Israel non-existant) feel free to browse at the huge
amount
here:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/gatoc.html#2003
-TheMan-
"resolution 181(which makes Israel non-existant)"
Would you care to elaborate on this statement?
If general assembly resolutions mean nothing, that means
Israel
was never
created
Aha! You seem to be going by Tilly's ill-considered remark.
I dealt with this in my last post.
But you see Zionazi's chop and change chop and change...
They are as much inconsistant as they are liars. When the U.N
generally
assembly resolutions are pointed at them(and lets face it if 160
countries
are voting aginst you, you;ve got problems) they say that general
assembly
resolutions are insignificant.
Then you point out the creation of Israel was through a general
assembly
resolution. They tell so many lies they don't know how to keep up.
The present General Assembly is a joke. Vanuatu, Tuvalu, ....
In 1947 it was not.
Chop and Change Chop and Change...
This is pointless arguing with you Zionazi's. You just keep changing the
story... lets see if I understand so far.
U.N general assembly resolutions are accepetable only past 1948 and then
completely irrelevent after that and only security council resolutions mean
anything, unless they are pointed at Israel, but if in the case they are
pointed at Iraq thats totally different.... AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.
Lies after Jewish lies and jewish lies.
Inconsistancy shows you to be liars... I'm consistant in what I'm saying,
why can't the Zionazi's?
-TheMan-
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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05 Feb 2004 10:01:25 PM |
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TheMan wrote:
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TheMan wrote:
Well Howards a known US arse-licker but this is
irrelevent... we
STILL vote against Israel in U.N
Do it.I am waiting. Remeber to tell us how many
resolutions
there
have been altogether.
NOW STOP FUCKING LYING JEW.
Where did she lie?
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are
enforceable?
They are all enforcable, they are security council
ones
which
Australia was
once part of.
If you want to see the ones Australia didn't support
on
the
General
Assembly, uno the ones you call unenforcable like
resolution
181(which makes
Israel non-existant) feel free to browse at the huge
amount
here:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/gatoc.html#2003
-TheMan-
"resolution 181(which makes Israel non-existant)"
Would you care to elaborate on this statement?
If general assembly resolutions mean nothing, that means
Israel
was never
created
Aha! You seem to be going by Tilly's ill-considered remark.
I dealt with this in my last post.
But you see Zionazi's chop and change chop and change...
They are as much inconsistant as they are liars. When the U.N
generally
assembly resolutions are pointed at them(and lets face it if
160
countries
are voting aginst you, you;ve got problems) they say that
general
assembly
resolutions are insignificant.
Then you point out the creation of Israel was through a
general
assembly
resolution. They tell so many lies they don't know how to keep
up.
The present General Assembly is a joke. Vanuatu, Tuvalu, ....
In 1947 it was not.
Chop and Change Chop and Change...
This is pointless arguing with you Zionazi's. You just keep
changing the
story... lets see if I understand so far.
U.N general assembly resolutions are accepetable only past 1948
and then
completely irrelevent after that and only security council
resolutions mean
anything, unless they are pointed at Israel, but if in the case
they are
pointed at Iraq thats totally different.... AND ON AND ON AND ON
AND ON.
Lies after Jewish lies and jewish lies.
Inconsistancy shows you to be liars... I'm consistant in what I'm
saying,
why can't the Zionazi's?
-TheMan-
Did you see my post about borders?
181 was valid. It became moot after the Arab League started the
first War of Israeli Extermination. Israel conquered territory in a
defensive war and is under no obligation to hand it back. (We have
dealt with this ad nauseam.)
Subsequent resolutions were technically valid, but failed to have
effect because of the ongoing intransigence of the Arab states.
You seem to forget that the Palestinian territories were not
"occupied" prior to the Intifada. They are still not occupied in the
sense of trying to establish total control. The IDF has positioned
itself to minimize terrorist activities. The attacks are in response
to specific terrorist acts.
The latest resolution on the subject of land calls upon Israel to
withdraw from "territories", not "all territories". Sharon is
promising to do just that with reference to the Gaza Strip. This
will set a precedent for the West Bank.
However, whatever Israel does unilaterally will bear only bitter
fruit, because the Arab fundamentalist will settle only for the
total destruction of Israel and Israelis.
A peace gesture from Israel will most likely generate more violence,
rather than less.
If you are becoming weary of the argument you can always stop.
Izzy
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| User: "TheMan" |
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06 Feb 2004 01:07:49 AM |
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TheMan wrote:
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TheMan wrote:
Well Howards a known US arse-licker but this is
irrelevent... we
STILL vote against Israel in U.N
Do it.I am waiting. Remeber to tell us how many
resolutions
there
have been altogether.
NOW STOP FUCKING LYING JEW.
Where did she lie?
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are
enforceable?
They are all enforcable, they are security council
ones
which
Australia was
once part of.
If you want to see the ones Australia didn't support
on
the
General
Assembly, uno the ones you call unenforcable like
resolution
181(which makes
Israel non-existant) feel free to browse at the huge
amount
here:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/gatoc.html#2003
-TheMan-
"resolution 181(which makes Israel non-existant)"
Would you care to elaborate on this statement?
If general assembly resolutions mean nothing, that means
Israel
was never
created
Aha! You seem to be going by Tilly's ill-considered remark.
I dealt with this in my last post.
But you see Zionazi's chop and change chop and change...
They are as much inconsistant as they are liars. When the U.N
generally
assembly resolutions are pointed at them(and lets face it if
160
countries
are voting aginst you, you;ve got problems) they say that
general
assembly
resolutions are insignificant.
Then you point out the creation of Israel was through a
general
assembly
resolution. They tell so many lies they don't know how to keep
up.
The present General Assembly is a joke. Vanuatu, Tuvalu, ....
In 1947 it was not.
Chop and Change Chop and Change...
This is pointless arguing with you Zionazi's. You just keep
changing the
story... lets see if I understand so far.
U.N general assembly resolutions are accepetable only past 1948
and then
completely irrelevent after that and only security council
resolutions mean
anything, unless they are pointed at Israel, but if in the case
they are
pointed at Iraq thats totally different.... AND ON AND ON AND ON
AND ON.
Lies after Jewish lies and jewish lies.
Inconsistancy shows you to be liars... I'm consistant in what I'm
saying,
why can't the Zionazi's?
-TheMan-
Did you see my post about borders?
181 was valid. It became moot after the Arab League started the
first War of Israeli Extermination. Israel conquered territory in a
defensive war and is under no obligation to hand it back. (We have
dealt with this ad nauseam.)
Subsequent resolutions were technically valid, but failed to have
effect because of the ongoing intransigence of the Arab states.
You seem to forget that the Palestinian territories were not
"occupied" prior to the Intifada. They are still not occupied in the
sense of trying to establish total control. The IDF has positioned
itself to minimize terrorist activities. The attacks are in response
to specific terrorist acts.
The latest resolution on the subject of land calls upon Israel to
withdraw from "territories", not "all territories". Sharon is
promising to do just that with reference to the Gaza Strip. This
will set a precedent for the West Bank.
The war was in 1967... they are a little fucking slow aren't they?
And people complain about the Iraqis ignoring U.N resolutions.
-TheMan-
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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06 Feb 2004 03:43:33 AM |
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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Did you see my post about borders?
181 was valid. It became moot after the Arab League started the
first War of Israeli Extermination. Israel conquered territory
in a
defensive war and is under no obligation to hand it back. (We
have
dealt with this ad nauseam.)
Subsequent resolutions were technically valid, but failed to
have
effect because of the ongoing intransigence of the Arab states.
You seem to forget that the Palestinian territories were not
"occupied" prior to the Intifada. They are still not occupied in
the
sense of trying to establish total control. The IDF has
positioned
itself to minimize terrorist activities. The attacks are in
response
to specific terrorist acts.
The latest resolution on the subject of land calls upon Israel
to
withdraw from "territories", not "all territories". Sharon is
promising to do just that with reference to the Gaza Strip. This
will set a precedent for the West Bank.
The war was in 1967... they are a little fucking slow aren't they?
And people complain about the Iraqis ignoring U.N resolutions.
-TheMan-
Well, there was also the Yom Kippur War (6-24 October, 1973...
Also, he Lebanon War, in response to Palestinian attacks (1982)
In 1987, in response to peace talks between Israel, Arafat and
Jorda, the first Intifada erupted, continuing through 1991.
Then there is the Intifada Al-Aqsa, triggered by Sharon' visit to
Jersualem in 2000. It continues to this day. This featured the
smuggling of arms from Iran to Palestine, arranged by Arafat.
So, yes, it has been a bit slow. But, as the Javanese say:
"Alon, alon, asal kelakon."
Izzy
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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07 Feb 2004 10:01:42 PM |
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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snip
Did you see my post about borders?
181 was valid. It became moot after the Arab League started the
first War of Israeli Extermination. Israel conquered territory
in a
defensive war and is under no obligation to hand it back. (We
have
dealt with this ad nauseam.)
Subsequent resolutions were technically valid, but failed to
have
effect because of the ongoing intransigence of the Arab states.
You seem to forget that the Palestinian territories were not
"occupied" prior to the Intifada. They are still not occupied in
the
sense of trying to establish total control. The IDF has
positioned
itself to minimize terrorist activities. The attacks are in
response
to specific terrorist acts.
The latest resolution on the subject of land calls upon Israel
to
withdraw from "territories", not "all territories". Sharon is
promising to do just that with reference to the Gaza Strip. This
will set a precedent for the West Bank.
The war was in 1967... they are a little fucking slow aren't they?
And people complain about the Iraqis ignoring U.N resolutions.
-TheMan-
Well, there was also the Yom Kippur War (6-24 October, 1973...
Also, he Lebanon War, in response to Palestinian attacks (1982)
In 1987, in response to peace talks between Israel, Arafat and
Jorda, the first Intifada erupted, continuing through 1991.
Then there is the Intifada Al-Aqsa, triggered by Sharon' visit to
Jersualem in 2000.
Uh, no.
He got ermission of the Waqi before he went, even tho' he didn't have to.
Evidence shows that the "response" was too organized to have been
"triggered" by the visit.
Susan
It continues to this day. This featured the
smuggling of arms from Iran to Palestine, arranged by Arafat.
So, yes, it has been a bit slow. But, as the Javanese say:
"Alon, alon, asal kelakon."
Izzy
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| User: "Tilly" |
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05 Feb 2004 10:52:07 PM |
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TheMan wrote:
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Inconsistancy shows you to be liars... I'm consistant in what I'm
saying, why can't the Zionazi's?
-TheMan-
You are consistently wrong!!
You don't seem to know the difference between a General Assembly vote or a
Security Council one. More importantly you don't comprehend the difference
between an enforceable resolution versus an enforceable resolution.
Australia has never voted in favour of a forceable resolution against
Israel.
Unenforceble resolutions are generally perceived to be protest resolutions
,that communicate members' feelings regarding particular actions taken by
a country or group of countries , in this case Israel.
Enforceable resolutions are far more serious. They allow member countries to
intervene and use force if necessary to stop a country behaving as it is..
The UN Resolutions you speak of are unenforceable resolutions and just
register displeasure.
In Israel's case they are always initiated by Arab or Muslim countries.
Now do you get it?
Tilly
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| User: "Tilly" |
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05 Feb 2004 10:55:13 PM |
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Tilly wrote:
TheMan wrote:
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Inconsistancy shows you to be liars... I'm consistant in what I'm
saying, why can't the Zionazi's?
-TheMan-
You are consistently wrong!!
You don't seem to know the difference between a General Assembly
vote or a Security Council one. More importantly you don't comprehend
the difference between an enforceable resolution versus an
enforceable resolution. Australia has never voted in favour of a
forceable resolution against Israel.
With the exception of Resolution 181 which was rendered invalid by the war
initiated by the Arabs in 1948.
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
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| User: "Tilly" |
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05 Feb 2004 04:35:40 PM |
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TheMan wrote:
If general assembly resolutions mean nothing, that means Israel was
never created
Only if the major powers concur as well as the small countries. Permanent
members of the Security Council have a veto.
Tilly
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| User: "The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" |
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06 Feb 2004 01:26:57 AM |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:35:40 +1300, "Tilly" <Ditsy1_3@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TheMan wrote:
If general assembly resolutions mean nothing, that means Israel was
never created
Only if the major powers concur as well as the small countries. Permanent
members of the Security Council have a veto.
Again, not in General Assembly resolutions. If there was such a veto,
none of the anti-'Israel' resolutions would ever have passed.
Tilly
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| User: "Tilly" |
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07 Feb 2004 07:26:24 PM |
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The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:35:40 +1300, "Tilly" <Ditsy1_3@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TheMan wrote:
If general assembly resolutions mean nothing, that means Israel was
never created
Only if the major powers concur as well as the small countries.
Permanent members of the Security Council have a veto.
Again, not in General Assembly resolutions. If there was such a veto,
none of the anti-'Israel' resolutions would ever have passed.
I was referring to Security Council Resolutions Rev. TheMan doesn't
understand the difference!
Tilly
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| User: "Tilly" |
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05 Feb 2004 08:20:50 AM |
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Tilly wrote:
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are enforceable?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
You do realise only the Security Council Resolutions actually mean anything
I presume?
Tilly
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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05 Feb 2004 09:31:13 AM |
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tilly wrote:
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are enforceable?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
You do realise only the Security Council Resolutions actually mean
anything
I presume?
Rats - you *told* them!!
Susan
Tilly
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| User: "TheMan" |
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05 Feb 2004 08:57:51 AM |
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tilly wrote:
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are enforceable?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
You do realise only the Security Council Resolutions actually mean
anything
I presume?
So resolution 181 means nothing, which means Israel doesn't exist.
Fair enough then, get out of Palestine.
-TheMan-
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05 Feb 2004 09:17:57 AM |
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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Tilly wrote:
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are enforceable?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
You do realise only the Security Council Resolutions actually
mean
anything
I presume?
I am a bit surprised by this. My reading of the Charter indicates
that the GA may step in after the Security Council ceases to deal
with an issue. If, for example, an SC resolution is vetoed, the
issue is dead, and the GA may take it up.
So resolution 181 means nothing, which means Israel doesn't exist.
I think in this case Tilly is wrong.
Fair enough then, get out of Palestine.
Therefore the above does not follow.
-TheMan-
Izzy
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| User: "TheMan" |
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tilly wrote:
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are enforceable?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
You do realise only the Security Council Resolutions actually
mean
anything
I presume?
I am a bit surprised by this. My reading of the Charter indicates
that the GA may step in after the Security Council ceases to deal
with an issue. If, for example, an SC resolution is vetoed, the
issue is dead, and the GA may take it up.
So resolution 181 means nothing, which means Israel doesn't exist.
I think in this case Tilly is wrong.
Fair enough then, get out of Palestine.
Therefore the above does not follow.
Chop and change chop and change
-TheMan-
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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05 Feb 2004 09:33:50 AM |
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tilly wrote:
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are enforceable?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
You do realise only the Security Council Resolutions
actually
mean
anything
I presume?
I am a bit surprised by this. My reading of the Charter
indicates
that the GA may step in after the Security Council ceases to
deal
with an issue. If, for example, an SC resolution is vetoed, the
issue is dead, and the GA may take it up.
So resolution 181 means nothing, which means Israel doesn't
exist.
I think in this case Tilly is wrong.
Fair enough then, get out of Palestine.
Therefore the above does not follow.
Chop and change chop and change
-TheMan-
Tilly and I are not reading from the same script. Therefore there is
no chopping and changing, but simply a minor disagreement between
two parties who are generally on the same side. I wonder if you ever
have "minor" disagreements about anything.
I note that you are posting from Bigpond. Until I looked I had
assumed from the timing of your posts that you were in North
America. I guess it is just insomnia.
Izzy
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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05 Feb 2004 09:32:27 AM |
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tilly wrote:
Now tell us how many of these resolutions are enforceable?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
You do realise only the Security Council Resolutions actually
mean
anything
I presume?
I am a bit surprised by this. My reading of the Charter indicates
that the GA may step in after the Security Council ceases to deal
with an issue. If, for example, an SC resolution is vetoed, the
issue is dead, and the GA may take it up.
Surely she was discussing "binding* vs "non-binding* resolutions?
So resolution 181 means nothing, which means Israel doesn't exist.
I think in this case Tilly is wrong.
Fair enough then, get out of Palestine.
Therefore the above does not follow.
Especially in the face of the fact that defensive land acquisition is legal.
Susan
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| User: "Tilly" |
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05 Feb 2004 04:32:38 PM |
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TheMan wrote:
So resolution 181 means nothing, which means Israel doesn't exist.
.. What sort of Resolution is 181? Enforceable or unenforceable?
Think about your answer carefully.
Fair enough then, get out of Palestine.
What do you refer to as ;Palestine'?
Tilly
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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03 Feb 2004 11:44:30 PM |
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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TheMan wrote:
"Brash" <trooper1962@hotmail.SPAM> wrote in message
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So if Australia attacked Israel without a UN mandate, that would be
alright with you?
Well seeing as it's only the Yanks
Rubbish. Are you unaware of Australia's policy toward Israel?
If so then perhaps you find out, because you are revealling yourself to be
very uninformed.
Both the Liberal and Labour are supporters of Israel.
Darn, that reminds me!
I missed Australia Day!!
HAPPY BELATED AUSTRIALIA DAY, aus.politics!
"Advance, Australia, Fair!!"
Susan
who agree with what the Israeli's
are doing we can do that "moral majority" line and ignore the USA at
the U.N. We can then point to the fact they have twice as many U.N
resolutions then Iraq.
Who is we? Australian Muslims who aren't the Australian Government and
therefore have no right to speak on behalf of all Australians.?
Tilly
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| User: "Tilly" |
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03 Feb 2004 08:09:35 PM |
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TheMan wrote:
"Brash" <trooper1962@hotmail.SPAM> wrote in message
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So if Australia attacked Israel without a UN mandate, that would be
alright with you?
Israel would be entitled to respond with full force under international law
and the Australians know it, unlike the Palestinians who express surprise
and rage when the Israelis respond to their violence which they are entitled
to do. <sigh>
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
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| User: "Tilly" |
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03 Feb 2004 05:44:54 AM |
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Brash wrote:
So if Australia attacked Israel without a UN mandate, that would be
alright with you?
No , but it is such a silly example given it is so far away.
The UN recognises that Israel has a right to defend its citizens , in fact
is the duty of a government to protect their citizens.
You realise that Israel is responding to terrorism and hatred .?
They didn't need a UN mandate to protect themselves ,when the Palestinians
started the Intifada. (BTW, They also protect their Israeli Arab citizens
most of whom do *not* want to be part of an independent Palestinan State..)
and many of whom choose to serve in the IDF. Do you know that the majority
of soldiers that commit atrocities in the W Bank and Gaza are Israeli Arabs
not Jews? What does that tell you?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
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| User: "Kurt Knoll" |
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03 Feb 2004 09:02:47 AM |
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Brash wrote:
So if Australia attacked Israel without a UN mandate, that would be
alright with you?
No , but it is such a silly example given it is so far away.
The UN recognises that Israel has a right to defend its citizens , in
fact
is the duty of a government to protect their citizens.
You realise that Israel is responding to terrorism and hatred .?
They didn't need a UN mandate to protect themselves ,when the
Palestinians
started the Intifada. (BTW, They also protect their Israeli Arab
citizens
most of whom do *not* want to be part of an independent Palestinan
State..)
and many of whom choose to serve in the IDF. Do you know that the
majority
of soldiers that commit atrocities in the W Bank and Gaza are Israeli
Arabs
not Jews? What does that tell you?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
Looks like you are rally twisting you tongue here. It is Israel who
plays the poker game here and this is to entice the Palestinians to
retaliate with nothing in their hands. It was America and Great Britain
that Created Israel where the Palestinians had absolutely no say in it.
As long as America is a blind folded Lackey that supports Israel only
will never Create Peace in the Middle East and Israel likes this
Combination as long as they can keep it going that way.
Kurt Knoll.
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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03 Feb 2004 09:19:53 AM |
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"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@uniserve.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Brash wrote:
So if Australia attacked Israel without a UN mandate, that
would be
alright with you?
No , but it is such a silly example given it is so far away.
The UN recognises that Israel has a right to defend its citizens
, in
fact
is the duty of a government to protect their citizens.
You realise that Israel is responding to terrorism and hatred .?
They didn't need a UN mandate to protect themselves ,when the
Palestinians
started the Intifada. (BTW, They also protect their Israeli Arab
citizens
most of whom do *not* want to be part of an independent
Palestinan
State..)
and many of whom choose to serve in the IDF. Do you know that
the
majority
of soldiers that commit atrocities in the W Bank and Gaza are
Israeli
Arabs
not Jews? What does that tell you?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
Looks like you are rally twisting you tongue here. It is Israel
who
plays the poker game here and this is to entice the Palestinians
to
retaliate with nothing in their hands. It was America and Great
Britain
that Created Israel where the Palestinians had absolutely no say
in it.
As long as America is a blind folded Lackey that supports Israel
only
will never Create Peace in the Middle East and Israel likes this
Combination as long as they can keep it going that way.
Kurt Knoll.
If I am not mistaken Israel was created by a substantial majority
vote of the General Assembly of the United Nations.
No other nation on the planet has a sounder legal basis for its
existence.
Israel wants peace, but not the peace of the grave.
Izzy
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| User: "TheMan" |
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03 Feb 2004 12:05:04 PM |
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@uniserve.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Brash wrote:
So if Australia attacked Israel without a UN mandate, that
would be
alright with you?
No , but it is such a silly example given it is so far away.
The UN recognises that Israel has a right to defend its citizens
, in
fact
is the duty of a government to protect their citizens.
You realise that Israel is responding to terrorism and hatred .?
They didn't need a UN mandate to protect themselves ,when the
Palestinians
started the Intifada. (BTW, They also protect their Israeli Arab
citizens
most of whom do *not* want to be part of an independent
Palestinan
State..)
and many of whom choose to serve in the IDF. Do you know that
the
majority
of soldiers that commit atrocities in the W Bank and Gaza are
Israeli
Arabs
not Jews? What does that tell you?
Tilly
Bright1_3@hotmail.com
Looks like you are rally twisting you tongue here. It is Israel
who
plays the poker game here and this is to entice the Palestinians
to
retaliate with nothing in their hands. It was America and Great
Britain
that Created Israel where the Palestinians had absolutely no say
in it.
As long as America is a blind folded Lackey that supports Israel
only
will never Create Peace in the Middle East and Israel likes this
Combination as long as they can keep it going that way.
Kurt Knoll.
If I am not mistaken Israel was created by a substantial majority
vote of the General Assembly of the United Nations.
But according to the Jews the General assembly resolutions are irrelevent.
So either Israel doesn't exist, or it should comply to the dozens of U.N
resolutions imposed on it.
-TheMan-
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03 Feb 2004 07:41:00 AM |
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Brash wrote:
So if Australia attacked Israel without a UN mandate, that would be
alright with you?
No , but it is such a silly example given it is so far away.
The UN recognises that Israel has a right to defend its citizens , in fact
is the duty of a government to protect their citizens.
BY SLAUGHTERING THE CHILDREN OF PALESTINE! MAKES SENSE!
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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03 Feb 2004 02:44:13 AM |
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The 1996 Palestine Authority "elections" were far from ideal, but they
could hold another round at any time, if they could just get their act
together and stop terrorism long enough to bring relative stability to
the area for the several months that would be needed to hold elections.
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الإضطهاد ليس
الإستشهاد
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "amigocabal" |
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03 Feb 2004 07:18:13 AM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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The 1996 Palestine Authority "elections" were far from ideal, but they
could hold another round at any time, if they could just get their act
together and stop terrorism long enough to bring relative stability to
the area for the several months that would be needed to hold elections.
He is not talking about the Palestinian elections, moron. He is talking
about the elections, free elections for all the people of Palestine,
occupied or not. You have a democracy Soviet style in your Kike State!
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