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Why The Left Hates The Ten Commandments |
Why The Left Hates The Ten Commandments
By Doug Patton (08/27/03)
Do not expect Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore to surrender in his fight to
keep the Ten Commandments on display in the rotunda of the state's Supreme
Court building. Moore, a principled man whose judicial temperament is guided
and molded by his belief that there is a God and He is watching, is not
motivated by what may happen to his career as a judge. He is not moved by
the whims of other judges whose rulings are based not in law, but rather in
the blowing, drifting opinions of contemporary societal mores.
Most Americans have no idea of the gravity of the drama unfolding at the
Supreme Court building in Montgomery. Jaded and numbed by fifty years of
abuse by an out-of-control judiciary that usurps the will of the people and
their elected representatives by making law from the bench, it seems we no
longer have any collective memory of what our precious founding documents
say, let alone what they mean.
Just what is it that engenders such hatred by liberals toward The Ten
Commandments? Which of these laws of nature and of nature's God strikes such
fear and loathing in the hearts of the Left?
Is it Commandment number six ("Thou shalt not kill" - or, more accurately
translated, "Thou shalt not commit murder")?
Perhaps it is number eight ("Thou shalt not steal").
Or maybe they just can't stand number nine, ("Thou shalt not bear false
witness).
Is there any thinking person who could look at those three rules and say
that society would be better off if they were disregarded?
How about number ten ("Thou shalt not covet")?
The truth is that it is the first few commandments that cause apoplectic
fits on the Left. Number one especially drives them crazy: "Thou shalt have
no other gods before me." This is followed by, "Thou shalt not make unto
thee any graven image," "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in
vain" and the ever-popular "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy."
Add to those the admonition to "Honor thy father and mother" and to hear the
Left talk you would think that Ayatollah Roy had set up shop in the Alabama
Supreme Court building.
John Adams once said that the American Constitution was written for a moral
and a religious people, and that it is wholly inadequate for the governing
of any other.
Today's liberals would scoff at such a sentiment. They would claim that
Adams wanted to limit American citizenship exclusively to Christians. Quite
the contrary. Adams understood that free people cannot be coerced into
believing anything against their will. But he also understood that a free
people can recognize the truth when they see it, and that it was only the
self-governing man or woman who can truly be free.
Adams and the other Founders possessed a wisdom that comes only to people
who know that their rights are granted by their Creator, not by other men,
and that government is instituted among men to acknowledge and defend those
rights.
The Founders recognized that lawlessness breeds anarchy, which brings the
terrible power of tyranny down upon the people. They knew that those who
fled to these shores seeking religious and economic freedom did so not for
the right simply to do what they wanted to do, but rather for the right to
do what they ought to do.
In a perfect America, where the Constitution was revered and God was
exalted, we would all know such freedom. Instead, we have traded our
birthright for a society filled with self-indulgence and a debate over
whether it is appropriate to acknowledge God in public.
May God give us a million more Roy Moores.
--
I read the Prize Cases to stand for the proposition
that the President has independent authority to repel
aggressive acts by third parties even without specific
congressional authorization, and courts may not review
the level of force selected.
Campbell v. Clinton, 203 F.3d 19, 27 (D.C. Cir. 2000) (Silberman,
J., concurring)
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| User: "Steven Canyon" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Left Hates The Ten Commandments |
01 Jul 2005 08:26:18 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:54:37 -0700, 1743 Dead
<zepp1743#2211finestplanet.com> wrote:
It's more of an opinion than a belief. Granted, if you are talking
about the sky muffin in the Bible, that opinion might well approach
certitude, but that's me, not Peacenik.
Greywolf Jamieson likes to talk, instead, about the witchy sky muffins
that ride brooms..
"if I were to let it be known that I am a wiccan, [....]"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.horror.werewolves/msg/1ae1e62e73150bd1?hl=en
Zepp Apr 17 1997 (posting with his pseudonym, Greywolf)
--
Did Zepp Jamieson really think he was going to get away with
posting as "Greywolf the Wanderer" long ago, writing his homosexual
fantasies about the startrek characters and his belief that he was
a werewolf?
Are the similarities just a coincidence?
First,
Both Greywolf and Zepp lived in Scotland and in B.C. Canada.
Both Greywolf and Zepp used to be a bbs sysop in Santa Barbara.
Both Greywolf and Zepp now live near Mt Shasta in California.
Both Greywolf and Zepp say they aren't U.S. Citizens.
Both Greywolf and Zepp have a house full of cats and 3 dogs.
Both Greywolf and Zepp complain of bad eyesight.
Both Greywolf and Zepp worked at an airport.
Both Greywolf and Zepp worked as a janitor.
Both Greywolf and Zepp worked at a hospital.
Both Greywolf and Zepp have samoyeds named Monk.
Both Greywolf and Zepp complain of "rhuematiz."
Both Greywolf and Zepp say they are dyslexic.
Both Greywolf and Zepp like author Robert Heinlein
Both Greywolf and Zepp like Heinlein's "Moon is a Harsh Mistress."
Both Greywolf and Zepp like Jethro Tull.
Both Greywolf and Zepp claim to be writers.
Both Greywolf and Zepp are dedicated Sci fi fans.
Both Greywolf and Zepp use the phrase "I is suitably impressed."
Greywolf said he was overweight, Zepp admitted to weighing over 300 lbs.
Greywolf says that he's a wiccan and Zepp does a lot of writing about
wiccans.
Greywolf's favorite quote is "evolution in action," Zepp used that for
one of his commentaries.
Greywolf's an alcoholic who has stopped drinking, Zepp says he's had a
problem with alcohol and therefore doesn't drink.
Greywolf used Zepp's ISP account and Zepp's computer and claimed to live
with Zepp, also claiming that his household consisted of only two people.
Zepp also claims that Greywolf lives in his household, but also claims that
he lives with his wife and nobody else.
So is Zepp the same person as Greywolf? And if so, what does Zepp's homely
wife think of Greywolf posting his homosexual fantasies on Usnet.
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| User: "human" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Left Hates The Ten Commandments |
01 Jul 2005 01:06:21 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, it was written:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:16:09 -0800, "Dana Raffaniello" <dpraff@gci.net>
wrote:
So you're an agnostic now, as opposed to an atheist.
One may be without belief in gods (a+theist) AND without knowledge about
gods (a+gnostic).
What ARE you babbling about?
It is obvious that you are ignorant of what an agnostic is.
In light of previous posts, Dana has no right to expound on agnosticism
because he is not one.
I'm an atheist - I lack belief in gods.
No, you yourself have an active belief about God.
Who says? Dana Raffaniello? Hmmmmmmmmmmph.
If you had a lack of belief in God or gods, you would not even engage in
talks about religion or God, as you would have nothing to say on the
subject.
Why do you have so much to say about things which you are not--about
concepts you do not embrace?
That you take an active role, and have been known to post that "God
does not exist" only shows that in fact you do have a belief about God.
Your belief is the same as quite a few other atheists.
How would Dana Raffaniello know what others' beliefs are? Is he
prescient?
It's more of an opinion than a belief. Granted, if you are talking
about the sky muffin in the Bible, that opinion might well approach
certitude, but that's me, not Peacenik.
And if not being something means you can't discuss it, then you would
have no business discussing gays, since you are not one. Right?
Or atheists (something Dana Raffaniello does all the time).
(excellent observation, by the way)
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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30 Jun 2005 11:24:12 AM |
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Martin McPhillips wrote:
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Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
I don't know.
So you're an agnostic now, as opposed to an
atheist. That's some small progress.
What's that have to do with atheism or agnosticism?
But I would further suggest to you that you
*do* know the answer. You'll just be some more
years in getting to the outer edges of it.
So, you're a mind-reader now?
You're not very good at thid god-proving business, are
you?
With you? Time will tell. I would have
to say that I'm a lot better at it than
you are at the atheistic blackout.
So, you wish to discuss things with me, who has the time and the energy
to refute religious lies? :-)
Bring it on! ;-D
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| User: "Martin McPhillips" |
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30 Jun 2005 11:35:52 AM |
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Martin McPhillips wrote:
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Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
I don't know.
So you're an agnostic now, as opposed to an
atheist. That's some small progress.
What's that have to do with atheism or agnosticism?
Saying you don't know why there is existence
rather than nothing implies that you also
don't know whether there is a creator or
not, which is agnosticism. Atheism is the
denial that there is a creator.
But I would further suggest to you that you
*do* know the answer. You'll just be some more
years in getting to the outer edges of it.
So, you're a mind-reader now?
Well, no. It's the point that the creator
makes itself known in creation and that at
the very least, given his strenuous denials
that it is so, he'll eventually get to
the outer edges of it. The way Anthony
Flew did.
I was a stone cold atheist myself (but not
the religious sort of atheist who joins
the atheist equivalent of a church and
numbers himself). I eventually found it
a very good starting point for objectively
analyzing reality, but it got to the point
where atheism no longer comported with
what I was observing. I had to gradually
readmit a supertranscendent intelligence.
Now it seems rather obvious to me that
the creator has immanent presence, but
I certainly understand, probably better
than most, why that's a very difficult
thing for some people to see. But it's
right there in what I'll call the
primordial data, but certainly not only
there.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Jun 2005 12:18:53 PM |
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Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
I don't know.
So you're an agnostic now, as opposed to an
atheist. That's some small progress.
What's that have to do with atheism or agnosticism?
Saying you don't know why there is existence
rather than nothing implies that you also
don't know whether there is a creator or
not, which is agnosticism. Atheism is the
denial that there is a creator.
Atheism and agnosticism have to do with existence of GODS. They are
unrelated to the question of existence of anything else other than gods,
including the existence of the universe, and have zero to do with the
philosophy of existence itself (e.g. "Why is there existence rather than
nothing?").
Atheism has to do with belief in gods: namely, it's a lack of belief in
gods. Agnosticism has to do with knowledge: agnostics say that it is
impossible to know whether or not god exists.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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04 Jul 2005 08:38:09 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:16:56 GMT, "Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
I don't know.
So you're an agnostic now, as opposed to an
atheist. That's some small progress.
But I would further suggest to you that you
*do* know the answer. You'll just be some more
years in getting to the outer edges of it.
You're not very good at thid god-proving business, are
you?
With you? Time will tell. I would have
to say that I'm a lot better at it than
you are at the atheistic blackout.
Take your best shot, Sunshine. I have lots of free time, and I eat silly little
wannabe apologists like you for breakfast.
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| User: "Dana" |
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04 Jul 2005 08:55:46 PM |
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Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
I don't know.
So you're an agnostic now, as opposed to an
atheist. That's some small progress.
But I would further suggest to you that you
*do* know the answer. You'll just be some more
years in getting to the outer edges of it.
You're not very good at thid god-proving business, are
you?
With you? Time will tell. I would have
to say that I'm a lot better at it than
you are at the atheistic blackout.
Take your best shot, Sunshine. I have lots of free time, and I eat silly
little
wannabe apologists like you for breakfast.
What a biter person
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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04 Jul 2005 09:01:32 PM |
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Dana wrote:
Take your best shot, Sunshine. I have lots of free time, and I eat silly
little
wannabe apologists like you for breakfast.
What a biter person
Um, we're not interested in your personal life, okay?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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30 Jun 2005 08:49:55 AM |
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
"Nothing" is a fiction.
Now, answer this:
"Why is 'red' red rather than blue? Did a creator create 'red' to be
red instead of blue?"
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| User: "Martin McPhillips" |
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30 Jun 2005 08:54:46 AM |
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
"Nothing" is a fiction.
Nothing is a fiction?
So I've found another believer in eternity.
Now, answer this:
"Why is 'red' red rather than blue? Did a creator create
'red' to be red instead of blue?"
That's a mundane question, especially in light
of the fact you've embraced an eternal materiality
in your rejection of nothing.
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| User: "Kurt Lochner" |
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30 Jun 2005 11:19:37 AM |
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Fartin McSyphillus-brain <journal23@nyc.rr.com> whimpered again for:
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So I've found another believer in eternity.
Non Sequitur Alert..
Now, answer this:
"Why is 'red' red rather than blue? Did a creator create
'red' to be red instead of blue?"
That's a mundane question[..]
One you've evaded, because of your abject lack of understanding..
--See subject header details..
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| User: "Kurt Lochner" |
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30 Jun 2005 11:14:58 AM |
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Morty McShillips <journal23@nyc.rr.com> whined:
Peacenik replied:
Morty McShillips <journal23@nyc.rr.com> whined:
Peacenik wrote:
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"1738 Dead" replied:
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive
their morality from [an] invisible and silent
sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
<looks around>
OK. Still no god.
Now what?
Why is there existence rather than nothing?
Why are nothing and still in existence?
--And why do you resort to false reasonings to support you opinions?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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04 Jul 2005 08:36:06 PM |
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"1738 Dead"
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Huh? Whatever.
<open eyes>
OK, done.
Now answer my question: "How so?"
Observe.
Observe what? The empty claims of deluded fruitcakes who spend half their lives
on their knees talking to the ceiling?
I'll pass.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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Observe what? The empty claims of deluded fruitcakes who spend half their
lives
on their knees talking to the ceiling?
The tolerance of the left.
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:31 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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wrote in message
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend friend, moron, when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and the only reason to
bring it up is your religious belief?
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| User: "Martin McPhillips" |
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29 Jun 2005 09:48:12 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:31 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and the only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing? First by hierarchy, not chronology.
Creation is sufficiently ordered, in etched detail,
to directly imply a creator.
Open your eyes.
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29 Jun 2005 09:53:18 PM |
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"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:31 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and the only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way with imaginary
"god"-thingies.
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| User: "Martin McPhillips" |
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30 Jun 2005 06:06:43 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:31 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"1738 Dead"
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wrote in message
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Jun 2005 07:54:03 AM |
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"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:31 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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"1738 Dead"
<zepp#22111738dead@nospamzeppscommentaries.com>
wrote in message
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Left Hates The Ten Commandments |
30 Jun 2005 08:17:17 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:31 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
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"1738 Dead"
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wrote in message
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So we're supposed to depend on people who derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
Your posts prove you are lying.
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| User: "human" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Left Hates The Ten Commandments |
01 Jul 2005 12:53:01 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Dana Raffaniello <dpraff@gci.net> wrote:
Strawman. That is not my position.
Your posts prove you are lying.
Your posts prove you don't know what you are talking about.
"Dana Raffaniello" <dpr...@gci.net> (probably) copied and pasted:
<< ...
Just what is it that engenders such hatred by liberals toward The
Ten Commandments? Which of these laws of nature and of nature's God
strikes such fear and loathing in the hearts of the Left
? ...>>
What is there to fear or loath about "the ten commandments"?
The only place in scripture where the phrase "the ten commandments"
appears is Exodus 35:28. Please read them.
N O O N E K E E P S T H E 1 0 C O M M A N D M E N T S ! ! !
You don't follow them, do you?
Do you keep Exodus 34:26 -- the one about firstfuits of "thy" land and
seething a kid in its mother's milk? I must admit that due to an
uncontrolable weakness for seethed kid, I regular seethe a kid in its
mother's milk.
What about leaving the sacrifice of the feast of the passover unto the
morning. Do you do that? Since I am always and forever leaving the
sacrifice of the feast of the passover unto the morning, I break
Exodus 34:25 all the time.
I break 34:21 all the time, too, cause I just can't get in the habit
of resting in the earing time. Do you make it a habit of resting in
the earing time?
Do you have a fondness for unleavened bread? Well, I break 34:18 all
the time, because I just cannot tolerate eating unleavened bread.
34:19 is really, really hard for me because I refuse to give up all
that openeth the matrix. What about you?
If you claim to keep 34:20, you are the first person I have ever heard
of who does. For myself, I must admit that from time to time I have
met asses whose necks I am sorely tempted to break. But it makes me
sick to my stomach when it actually comes down to really breaking the
neck of a an *****.
Do you keep 34:22? It's one I have _NEVER_ kept because I don't even
know what the feast of weeks is! Since I buy my food at a supermarket,
I don't celebrate the feast of the ingathering at the year's end. I
just don't ingather--never plan to, either--gives me blisters.
If you claim to keep "the ten," including 34:23, and you have kids, my
heart goes out to you. I only have one man child, and he is too
precious to stone, even though he is one of those unruly ones subject
to stoning by the village elders. He never did appear before the Lord
God. He claimed he tried a couple times, but just couldn't find "H"im.
So, I don't know about you, but I have failed miserably at keeping
what the Bible identifies as "the ten commandments," I guess I am just
hopeless!!!
As you must know, there are many more than just 10 commandments in the
Bible. But again, I must confess to weakness with regard to most of
the miscellaneous "commandments" (which come after "the ten"), such
as: 35:3, "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon
the sabbath day." I break it every damned Thursday* all winter long
because sometimes in WI it is below zero!! (*Thursday being the holy
day named after Thor, and all)
S'pose now Thor is going to strike me down with a bolt of lightening?
http://www.cafepress.com/pansy12
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| User: "Dana" |
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01 Jul 2005 05:52:48 PM |
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"human" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Dana Raffaniello <dpraff@gci.net> wrote:
Strawman. That is not my position.
Your posts prove you are lying.
Your posts prove you don't know what you are talking about.
Close your legs carol, you are stinking up the room.
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| User: "Martin McPhillips" |
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30 Jun 2005 07:48:29 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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"1738 Dead"
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wrote in message
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So we're supposed to depend on people who
derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and
the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
Oh, so you do believe in a creator.
Welcome aboard.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Jun 2005 08:04:31 AM |
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"Martin McPhillips" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:53:31 GMT, "Martin
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<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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"1738 Dead"
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wrote in message
news:rv93c1tlo15jfm63oskoj4lkebi5i42p0s@4ax.com...
So we're supposed to depend on people who
derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and
the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
Oh, so you do believe in a creator.
No. You said I believe the universe was built from nothing. I never said
that.
.
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| User: "Dana" |
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30 Jun 2005 08:19:44 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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"1738 Dead"
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wrote in message
news:rv93c1tlo15jfm63oskoj4lkebi5i42p0s@4ax.com...
So we're supposed to depend on people who
derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it and
the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
Oh, so you do believe in a creator.
No. You said I believe the universe was built from nothing. I never said
that.
Than you must believe it was created.
.
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| User: "human" |
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| Title: Re: Why The Left Hates The Ten Commandments |
01 Jul 2005 12:55:51 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Dana Raffaniello <dpraff@gci.net> wrote:
Oh, so you do believe in a creator.
No. You said I believe the universe was built from nothing. I never said
that.
Than
Then
you must believe it was created.
False dichotomy, Dana.
"Dana Raffaniello" <dpr...@gci.net> (probably) copied and pasted:
<< ...
Just what is it that engenders such hatred by liberals toward The
Ten Commandments? Which of these laws of nature and of nature's God
strikes such fear and loathing in the hearts of the Left
? ...>>
What is there to fear or loath about "the ten commandments"?
The only place in scripture where the phrase "the ten commandments"
appears is Exodus 35:28. Please read them.
N O O N E K E E P S T H E 1 0 C O M M A N D M E N T S ! ! !
You don't follow them, do you?
Do you keep Exodus 34:26 -- the one about firstfuits of "thy" land and
seething a kid in its mother's milk? I must admit that due to an
uncontrolable weakness for seethed kid, I regular seethe a kid in its
mother's milk.
What about leaving the sacrifice of the feast of the passover unto the
morning. Do you do that? Since I am always and forever leaving the
sacrifice of the feast of the passover unto the morning, I break
Exodus 34:25 all the time.
I break 34:21 all the time, too, cause I just can't get in the habit
of resting in the earing time. Do you make it a habit of resting in
the earing time?
Do you have a fondness for unleavened bread? Well, I break 34:18 all
the time, because I just cannot tolerate eating unleavened bread.
34:19 is really, really hard for me because I refuse to give up all
that openeth the matrix. What about you?
If you claim to keep 34:20, you are the first person I have ever heard
of who does. For myself, I must admit that from time to time I have
met asses whose necks I am sorely tempted to break. But it makes me
sick to my stomach when it actually comes down to really breaking the
neck of a an *****.
Do you keep 34:22? It's one I have _NEVER_ kept because I don't even
know what the feast of weeks is! Since I buy my food at a supermarket,
I don't celebrate the feast of the ingathering at the year's end. I
just don't ingather--never plan to, either--gives me blisters.
If you claim to keep "the ten," including 34:23, and you have kids, my
heart goes out to you. I only have one man child, and he is too
precious to stone, even though he is one of those unruly ones subject
to stoning by the village elders. He never did appear before the Lord
God. He claimed he tried a couple times, but just couldn't find "H"im.
So, I don't know about you, but I have failed miserably at keeping
what the Bible identifies as "the ten commandments," I guess I am just
hopeless!!!
As you must know, there are many more than just 10 commandments in the
Bible. But again, I must confess to weakness with regard to most of
the miscellaneous "commandments" (which come after "the ten"), such
as: 35:3, "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon
the sabbath day." I break it every damned Thursday* all winter long
because sometimes in WI it is below zero!! (*Thursday being the holy
day named after Thor, and all)
S'pose now Thor is going to strike me down with a bolt of lightening?
http://www.cafepress.com/pansy12
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So we're supposed to depend on people who
derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it
and
the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it
is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way
with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
Oh, so you do believe in a creator.
No. You said I believe the universe was built from
nothing. I never said
that.
If it was not built from nothing, and there is
no creator, where did it come from? You've
already suggested in another post that the
universe is a manifestation of an eternal
material existence, suggesting that it is an effect
without cause. So your answer to the question
"why is there existence rather than nothing?"
is that existence is eternal, it had no
beginning, which is imponderable because it
is impossible, an absurdity.
You've already reached back, with that thought,
to suggest that the big bang was an explosion
not just of something, but of something eternal.
You've only reinvented the position that something
can come from nothing by saying that something
had no thing as its cause because it was always
there. It's just a variation on the something
from nothing claim.
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So we're supposed to depend on people who
derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it
and
the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it
is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way
with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
Oh, so you do believe in a creator.
No. You said I believe the universe was built from
nothing. I never said
that.
If it was not built from nothing, and there is
no creator, where did it come from?
Dunno.
You've
already suggested in another post that the
universe is a manifestation of an eternal
material existence, suggesting that it is an effect
without cause.
That's a hypothesis posited by many cosmologists.
So your answer to the question
"why is there existence rather than nothing?"
is that existence is eternal, it had no
beginning, which is imponderable because it
is impossible, an absurdity.
Quantum mechanics is weird. Unintuitive. Bizarre. Many of the properties of
this phenomenon seem absurd, or even impossible. Yet it's real. And closely
connected to the origin of the universe. Physicists haven't figured it all
out...yet.
You've already reached back, with that thought,
to suggest that the big bang was an explosion
not just of something, but of something eternal.
No. I mentioned several different possibilities.
The fact is that the best answer we can give at this time is: "We don't
know...yet."
It is utter dishonesty to say "Goddidit". We KNOW the universe exists. There
is no evidence for a god. Even if there were a creator of the universe, it
would not necessarily be a god.
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30 Jun 2005 08:22:47 PM |
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So we're supposed to depend on people who
derive
their
morality from
and invisible and silent sky muffin?
No thank you.
Well, the "sky muffin" is permanently in
evidence
in creation itself, pork stock.
How so?
Open your eyes.
Idiot.
How is "open your eyes" evidence for your pretend
friend, moron,
when
there is nothing that leads one to conclude it
and
the
only reason
to
bring it up is your religious belief?
Well, no, the only reason to bring it up is that it
is
the
first question. Why is there existence rather than
nothing?
We don't know...yet.
I still don't see how this is connected in any way
with
imaginary
"god"-thingies.
You're the one imagining a world built from nothing
by nothing.
Strawman. That is not my position.
Oh, so you do believe in a creator.
No. You said I believe the universe was built from
nothing. I never said
that.
If it was not built from nothing, and there is
no creator, where did it come from?
Dunno.
You've
already suggested in another post that the
universe is a manifestation of an eternal
material existence, suggesting that it is an effect
without cause.
That's a hypothesis posited by many cosmologists.
Than you do not understand what they have said.
No mainstream cosmologist takes the position that the universe is without
cause.
So your answer to the question
"why is there existence rather than nothing?"
is that existence is eternal, it had no
beginning, which is imponderable because it
is impossible, an absurdity.
You've already reached back, with that thought,
to suggest that the big bang was an explosion
not just of something, but of something eternal.
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01 Jul 2005 10:36:13 AM |
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If it was not built from nothing, and there is
no creator, where did it come from?
Dunno.
You've
already suggested in another post that the
universe is a manifestation of an eternal
material existence, suggesting that it is an effect
without cause.
That's a hypothesis posited by many cosmologists.
Than you do not understand what they have said.
No mainstream cosmologist takes the position that the universe is without
cause.
Wrong.
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