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"Budikka666" |
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15 Sep 2007 09:20:43 AM |
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Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
Genomicron:
http://tinyurl.com/ywfmz6
takes Science News to task over an article which appears to claim that
so-called "junk" DNA is what makes for complexity in living organisms
and is therefore not junk at all.
Genomicron points out (with a very effective counter-chart to the one
in the Science News article) that there's no connection between the
amount of "junk" DNA and the segment of organisms which possesses it..
Humans fall right in the middle of the mammalian range of genome size,
and the range is larger in many other groups.
Clearly there is absolutely no pattern whatsoever to this "design",
which begs the question "From whence the impetus to claim design int
eh first place?"
In passing, Genomicron mentions that the pufferfish has 400Mb of
genome whilst the mosquito has 1,400Mb. What, exactly, is it about
the design of the "lowly" mosquito which requires that it has over
three times the genetic material that the "more advanced" puffer fish
evidently requires?
Budikka
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| User: "Mark Gradwell" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
15 Sep 2007 12:45:42 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1189866043.327529.177290@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Genomicron:
http://tinyurl.com/ywfmz6
<snip>
In passing, Genomicron mentions that the pufferfish has 400Mb of
genome whilst the mosquito has 1,400Mb. What, exactly, is it about
the design of the "lowly" mosquito which requires that it has over
three times the genetic material that the "more advanced" puffer fish
evidently requires?
Budikka
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
--
Regards,
Mark Gradwell
aa#1478
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
15 Sep 2007 01:03:40 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:45:42 GMT, Mark Gradwell wrote in message
<aTUGi.758$X%4.549@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1189866043.327529.177290@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Genomicron:
http://tinyurl.com/ywfmz6
<snip>
In passing, Genomicron mentions that the pufferfish has 400Mb of
genome whilst the mosquito has 1,400Mb. What, exactly, is it about
the design of the "lowly" mosquito which requires that it has over
three times the genetic material that the "more advanced" puffer fish
evidently requires?
Budikka
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
I wonder what kind of a creature you'd get if you rendered Win XP or
Vista as a chunk of DNA code and introduced it into an unsuspecting
egg. ... Probably best not to think about,...
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage.
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www.eac-nudis.com = Evil Atheist Conspiracy NNTP / Usenet Distributed Intelligence System...
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| User: "Mark Gradwell" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
15 Sep 2007 01:28:23 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9f7oe3p3sq5vuifip16hjmhkc51ur26csn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:45:42 GMT, Mark Gradwell wrote in message
<aTUGi.758$X%4.549@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>:
<snip>
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
I wonder what kind of a creature you'd get if you rendered Win XP or
Vista as a chunk of DNA code and introduced it into an unsuspecting
egg. ... Probably best not to think about,...
I'm supressing as hard as I can the image of a hideous ginger haired
bespectacled tiny monster crawling out of the test-tube. With designs on
world domination and homogenization of computer operating systems.
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage.
-
www.eac-nudis.com = Evil Atheist Conspiracy NNTP / Usenet Distributed
Intelligence System...
--
Regards,
Mark Gradwell
aa#1478
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
15 Sep 2007 10:27:39 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:28:23 GMT, "Mark Gradwell"
<mark1961@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9f7oe3p3sq5vuifip16hjmhkc51ur26csn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:45:42 GMT, Mark Gradwell wrote in message
<aTUGi.758$X%4.549@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>:
<snip>
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
I wonder what kind of a creature you'd get if you rendered Win XP or
Vista as a chunk of DNA code and introduced it into an unsuspecting
egg. ... Probably best not to think about,...
I'm supressing as hard as I can the image of a hideous ginger haired
bespectacled tiny monster crawling out of the test-tube. With designs on
world domination and homogenization of computer operating systems.
But needing an upgrade before it draws its first breath.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
16 Sep 2007 10:10:07 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:kk8pe3520gcpvr0pt3t8tublu6q414pj7f@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:28:23 GMT, "Mark Gradwell"
<mark1961@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9f7oe3p3sq5vuifip16hjmhkc51ur26csn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:45:42 GMT, Mark Gradwell wrote in message
<aTUGi.758$X%4.549@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>:
<snip>
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
I wonder what kind of a creature you'd get if you rendered Win XP or
Vista as a chunk of DNA code and introduced it into an unsuspecting
egg. ... Probably best not to think about,...
I'm supressing as hard as I can the image of a hideous ginger haired
bespectacled tiny monster crawling out of the test-tube. With designs on
world domination and homogenization of computer operating systems.
But needing an upgrade before it draws its first breath.
Upgrade?
No, it's a Service Pack!
(I always thought a service pack was a box of 144 condoms to be handed out
to sailors going on shore leave.)
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
17 Sep 2007 07:43:06 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:10:07 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:kk8pe3520gcpvr0pt3t8tublu6q414pj7f@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:28:23 GMT, "Mark Gradwell"
<mark1961@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9f7oe3p3sq5vuifip16hjmhkc51ur26csn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:45:42 GMT, Mark Gradwell wrote in message
<aTUGi.758$X%4.549@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>:
<snip>
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
I wonder what kind of a creature you'd get if you rendered Win XP or
Vista as a chunk of DNA code and introduced it into an unsuspecting
egg. ... Probably best not to think about,...
I'm supressing as hard as I can the image of a hideous ginger haired
bespectacled tiny monster crawling out of the test-tube. With designs on
world domination and homogenization of computer operating systems.
But needing an upgrade before it draws its first breath.
Upgrade?
No, it's a Service Pack!
(I always thought a service pack was a box of 144 condoms to be handed out
to sailors going on shore leave.)
It's what we used to call a bug fix. Unfortunately, with Microsoft,
every bug fix seems to introduce more bugs than it fixes. What else
do you know of that has a day of the week set for bug fix releases -
every week?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
17 Sep 2007 10:13:42 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:43:06 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:10:07 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:kk8pe3520gcpvr0pt3t8tublu6q414pj7f@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:28:23 GMT, "Mark Gradwell"
<mark1961@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9f7oe3p3sq5vuifip16hjmhkc51ur26csn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:45:42 GMT, Mark Gradwell wrote in message
<aTUGi.758$X%4.549@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>:
<snip>
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
I wonder what kind of a creature you'd get if you rendered Win XP or
Vista as a chunk of DNA code and introduced it into an unsuspecting
egg. ... Probably best not to think about,...
I'm supressing as hard as I can the image of a hideous ginger haired
bespectacled tiny monster crawling out of the test-tube. With designs on
world domination and homogenization of computer operating systems.
But needing an upgrade before it draws its first breath.
Upgrade?
No, it's a Service Pack!
(I always thought a service pack was a box of 144 condoms to be handed out
to sailors going on shore leave.)
It's what we used to call a bug fix. Unfortunately, with Microsoft,
every bug fix seems to introduce more bugs than it fixes. What else
do you know of that has a day of the week set for bug fix releases -
every week?
Oh come on. It's not long since the last reasonably stable OS release:
NT 4 SP 6...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
17 Sep 2007 01:35:56 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:13:42 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Oh come on. It's not long since the last reasonably stable OS release:
NT 4 SP 6...
I can't tell whether you're being successfully sarcastic or
unsuccessfully humorous.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
18 Sep 2007 03:03:48 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:35:56 -0400, Al Klein wrote in message
<57ite39e4scmepb6e6vuehhgpfqkmfdb5d@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:13:42 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Oh come on. It's not long since the last reasonably stable OS release:
NT 4 SP 6...
I can't tell whether you're being successfully sarcastic or
unsuccessfully humorous.
Alas, neither can I...
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage.
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www.eac-nudis.com = Evil Atheist Conspiracy NNTP / Usenet Distributed Intelligence System...
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
17 Sep 2007 11:57:58 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:43:06 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:10:07 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:kk8pe3520gcpvr0pt3t8tublu6q414pj7f@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:28:23 GMT, "Mark Gradwell"
<mark1961@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9f7oe3p3sq5vuifip16hjmhkc51ur26csn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:45:42 GMT, Mark Gradwell wrote in message
<aTUGi.758$X%4.549@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>:
<snip>
I love the idea of using computer terms to count the number of DNA base
pairs. That a dead skin cell in one speck of dust on my coffee table has
something like the same data storage capacity as a CD-ROM.
Although DNA is 4 bits to a byte and CD-ROMs use I dunno 8 or maybe 16?
I wonder what kind of a creature you'd get if you rendered Win XP or
Vista as a chunk of DNA code and introduced it into an unsuspecting
egg. ... Probably best not to think about,...
I'm supressing as hard as I can the image of a hideous ginger haired
bespectacled tiny monster crawling out of the test-tube. With designs on
world domination and homogenization of computer operating systems.
But needing an upgrade before it draws its first breath.
Upgrade?
No, it's a Service Pack!
(I always thought a service pack was a box of 144 condoms to be handed out
to sailors going on shore leave.)
It's what we used to call a bug fix. Unfortunately, with Microsoft,
every bug fix seems to introduce more bugs than it fixes. What else
do you know of that has a day of the week set for bug fix releases -
every week?
Oh come on. It's not long since the last reasonably stable OS release:
NT 4 SP 6...
a
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Why There's No Design #165 - Junk DNA and Complexity |
16 Sep 2007 01:53:14 AM |
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In article <1189866043.327529.177290@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Genomicron:
http://tinyurl.com/ywfmz6
takes Science News to task over an article which appears to claim that
so-called "junk" DNA is what makes for complexity in living organisms
and is therefore not junk at all.
Genomicron points out (with a very effective counter-chart to the one
in the Science News article) that there's no connection between the
amount of "junk" DNA and the segment of organisms which possesses it..
Humans fall right in the middle of the mammalian range of genome size,
and the range is larger in many other groups.
Clearly there is absolutely no pattern whatsoever to this "design",
which begs the question "From whence the impetus to claim design int
eh first place?"
In passing, Genomicron mentions that the pufferfish has 400Mb of
genome whilst the mosquito has 1,400Mb. What, exactly, is it about
the design of the "lowly" mosquito which requires that it has over
three times the genetic material that the "more advanced" puffer fish
evidently requires?
As one can see from tables like:
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/G/GenomeSizes.html
Genome sizes are all over the map. According to the table, the puffer
fish has less non-coding ("junk") DNA than other species. If anything
tables like this only reinforce the random nature of and lack of design
in evolution of the genome.
Budikka
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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