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"Leonard Abbott" |
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02 Sep 2007 08:21:28 AM |
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Why Time, space, motion are not relative |
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them..they
are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even calculated. they are
spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier between the physical and the
metaphysical....
Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical existed
and can't be relative to anything physical.....
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..
This deception turned true science into Science fiction........
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Why Time, space, motion are not relative |
02 Sep 2007 11:16:03 AM |
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"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abbott@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Oh look. Another butt-head loon.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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02 Sep 2007 11:45:17 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in news:46dae139$0$11071
$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abbott@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5290-46DAB8D8-55@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net...
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Oh look. Another butt-head loon.
WebTV.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons,
sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on
water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you
say that we are the ones that need help?
-- Jon Stoll
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| User: "Andy W" |
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03 Sep 2007 02:55:01 PM |
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On 2 Sep, 17:45, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in news:46dae139$0$11071
$4c368...@roadrunner.com:
"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abb...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5290-46DAB8D8-55@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net...
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Oh look. Another butt-head loon.
WebTV.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons,
sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on
water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you
say that we are the ones that need help?
-- Jon Stoll
There's probably a nature vs nurture research grant in there
somewhere: Do people buy WebTV because they're idiots, or do they
become idiots after using it?
Andy
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Why Time, space, motion are not relative |
02 Sep 2007 03:47:39 PM |
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"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abbott@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Oh, DO shut up!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Why Time, space, motion are not relative |
02 Sep 2007 09:19:39 AM |
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"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abbott@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5290-46DAB8D8-55@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net...
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Synopsis of your "argument": I don't like non-Euclidean geometry, therefore
it must be false.
Hmmmmmmmm ............., I just noticed that you are posting from WebTV.
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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02 Sep 2007 12:01:03 PM |
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(Leonard Abbott) wrote in
news:5290-46DAB8D8-55@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net to alt.atheism:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made
them..they are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even
calculated. they are spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier
between the physical and the metaphysical....
Lie #1
Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical existed
and can't be relative to anything physical.....
Lie #2
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that
has parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines
into curved lines..
This deception turned true science into Science fiction........
You're a fuckwit, Abbott. There is physical proof that time is relative,
and that it's a property of matter and energy, and that the three are
independent.
Relativity for dummies:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091059/
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David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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| Title: Re: Why Time, space, motion are not relative |
02 Sep 2007 03:37:40 PM |
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"Sanity's Little Helper" <elvish@noshpam.org> wrote in
news:Xns999FB748F8F69mxyzptlk@194.177.96.26 to alt.atheism:
leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) wrote in
news:5290-46DAB8D8-55@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net to alt.atheism:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made
them..they are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even
calculated. they are spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier
between the physical and the metaphysical....
Lie #1
Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical
existed and can't be relative to anything physical.....
Lie #2
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way
mathematicians could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some
type of deception,
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that
has parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines
into curved lines..
This deception turned true science into Science fiction........
You're a fuckwit, Abbott. There is physical proof that time is
relative, and that it's a property of matter and energy, and that the
three are independent.
Erm, I meant "interdependent", of course.
Relativity for dummies:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091059/
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David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
"*****! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Time, space, motion are not relative |
02 Sep 2007 04:33:38 PM |
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On Sep 2, 4:37 pm, "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org>
wrote:
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"*****! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung
Best troll joke ever. ROFLMAO!
-PF, etc.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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02 Sep 2007 11:43:43 AM |
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(Leonard Abbott) wrote in news:5290-46DAB8D8-55
@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them..they
are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even calculated. they are
spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier between the physical and the
metaphysical....
Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical existed
and can't be relative to anything physical.....
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that
has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..
This deception turned true science into Science fiction........
Dude! Retake a math class, and pass it this time. Pay special attention
to the definitions, especially "postulate."
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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02 Sep 2007 11:56:03 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) wrote in news:5290-46DAB8D8-55
@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them..they
are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even calculated. they are
spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier between the physical and the
metaphysical....
Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical existed
and can't be relative to anything physical.....
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that
has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..
This deception turned true science into Science fiction........
Dude! Retake a math class, and pass it this time. Pay special attention
to the definitions, especially "postulate."
Don't confuse Leonard like that Enkidu.
Leonard things that "postulate" is what the doctor is checking, with
that latex gloved hand and longest finger.
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Smiler" |
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02 Sep 2007 08:52:46 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Enkidu wrote:
leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) wrote in news:5290-46DAB8D8-55
@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them..they
are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even calculated. they are
spiritual concepts, and serve as a barrier between the physical and the
metaphysical....
Because they are eternal they existed before anything physical existed
and can't be relative to anything physical.....
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that
has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..
This deception turned true science into Science fiction........
Dude! Retake a math class, and pass it this time. Pay special attention
to the definitions, especially "postulate."
Don't confuse Leonard like that Enkidu.
Leonard things that "postulate" is what the doctor is checking, with
that latex gloved hand and longest finger.
In Leonard's case, that's the equivalent of a brain scan.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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03 Sep 2007 11:23:45 AM |
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In article <5290-46DAB8D8-55@storefull-
3311.bay.webtv.net>, Leonard Abbott said...
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..
It sounds as if someone got confused when teacher
moved beyond Euclid.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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02 Sep 2007 06:40:14 PM |
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Leonard Abbott wrote:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Um... I don't think so. If anything's motion was a characteristic of it,
that would imply a universal frame of reference for absolute
measurement. The existence of such a frame would invalidate the theories
of relativity -- most of which have been confirmed by empirical observation.
Time and space are eternal
Care to give some evidence supporting this claim? I mean, go to the
universe and make any set of measurements or observations you care o and
show us how you can support your claim. Don't just quote some idiotic
poem from some psalm and assert that some bronze-age shepherd had more
accurate information than the modern scientific community of today.
like their Eternal God that made them..they
are infinite, Eternity can't be limited or even calculated. they are
spiritual concepts
Oh, I see. You just made a claim that time and space, both of which CAN
be observed and measured, are infinite. Now you're trying to claim that
we can't check out your claim because infinity is a "spiritual concept."
How old are you?
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
There must be a sense of humor operating somewhere, because I can't help
but laugh at your idiocy.
For several hundred yrs Mathematicians tried, and finally settled on
''non Euclidean geometry'' a clumsy deceptive abstract geometry that has
parallel lines crossing in space, and making all straight lines into
curved lines..
This deception turned true science into Science fiction........
You don't understand any of this drivel, do you?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Sep 2007 09:06:36 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:40:14 -0400, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
Leonard Abbott wrote:
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
There must be a sense of humor operating somewhere, because I can't help
but laugh at your idiocy.
It's not nice to laugh at the severely disabled - or their idiocy.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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04 Sep 2007 03:49:43 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:40:14 -0400, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
Leonard Abbott wrote:
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
There must be a sense of humor operating somewhere, because I can't help
but laugh at your idiocy.
It's not nice to laugh at the severely disabled - or their idiocy.
That may be true, but it's better than letting it pass unnoticed and
unchallenged.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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04 Sep 2007 09:51:20 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:06:36 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:40:14 -0400, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
Leonard Abbott wrote:
God must have ''a sense of humor'' because the only way mathematicians
could dilly into the metaphysical was to practice some type of
deception,
There must be a sense of humor operating somewhere, because I can't help
but laugh at your idiocy.
It's not nice to laugh at the severely disabled - or their idiocy.
Not to worry, Al, he wasn't laughing at you.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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02 Sep 2007 11:09:51 AM |
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On Sep 2, 8:21 am, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
What academic qualifications do you have to set behind your claims?
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter,
Not exactly true
like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Only in a vacuum
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them.
We need proceed no further until you've established that there's a
god, and that he/she/it is eternal and that he/she/it created
anything.
I'm waiting.
Budikka
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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02 Sep 2007 11:32:25 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
On Sep 2, 8:21 am, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
What academic qualifications do you have to set behind your claims?
Voices in the head probably.
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter,
Not exactly true
like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Only in a vacuum
Well, that describes the space between Leonard's ears perfectly.
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God that made them.
We need proceed no further until you've established that there's a
god, and that he/she/it is eternal and that he/she/it created
anything.
I'm waiting.
Please don't Budikka, you'll bore yourself to tears. Leonard never
responds, just posts and runs.
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Sep 2007 06:54:20 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:09:51 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
On Sep 2, 8:21 am, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
What academic qualifications do you have to set behind your claims?
Oh, those just get in the way...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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| User: "Rick M" |
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02 Sep 2007 09:43:27 AM |
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On Sep 2, 9:21 am, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
<snip>
Shouldn't you be in church worshiping whatever imaginary, omnipotent,
benevolent yet wrathful, egotistical to the point of needing mere
mortals to pray and worship him daily god?
I mean how can you convert more sheep to the flock when you aren't in
the pasture with the good shepard?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Sep 2007 10:41:36 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:21:28 -0500, Leonard Abbott wrote:
Time and space are eternal, like their Eternal God
Yeah, pull the other leg, it's got bells on...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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02 Sep 2007 11:15:49 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:21:28 -0500, (Leonard
Abbott) wrote:
Why Time, space, motion are not relative
Motion is a physical characteristic of Matter, like all physical
characteristics of atoms they have limitations, the limits placed on
motion is, the speed of light exactly 299,792.458 km/s.
Not true at all - a wavefront attack point can advance at infinite
speed, so motion is a concept and, like any concept, has no limits.
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