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"Kurt Nicklas" |
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12 Jun 2006 03:59:41 PM |
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#Why We Need Hell |
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
13 Jun 2006 01:10:18 PM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:TAkjg.71244$QU3.16397@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
ahhh more proof of what sick fucks religious people are.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 09:08:47 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:59:41 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> let us all know that:
We don't need it.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
13 Jun 2006 07:05:14 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas schreef:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
"God is not looking for repayment, but repentance. What heals a broken
relationship is sincere love and contrition."
Yup, and threatening someone with eternal torture sure is a sign of
sincere love.
RS
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
09 Jun 2006 11:21:02 AM |
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On 13 Jun 2006 05:05:14 -0700, "Richard Smol" <richard.smol@gmail.com>
wrote:
Kurt Nicklas schreef:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
"God is not looking for repayment, but repentance. What heals a broken
relationship is sincere love and contrition."
Yup, and threatening someone with eternal torture sure is a sign of
sincere love.
It's "tough love". Very, very tough indeed, apparently....
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
13 Jun 2006 01:50:04 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:hu7j82pgj54ba5fqdv8kddol0h3dsq5dee@4ax.com...
On 13 Jun 2006 05:05:14 -0700, "Richard Smol" <richard.smol@gmail.com>
wrote:
Kurt Nicklas schreef:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
"God is not looking for repayment, but repentance. What heals a broken
relationship is sincere love and contrition."
Yup, and threatening someone with eternal torture sure is a sign of
sincere love.
It's "tough love". Very, very tough indeed, apparently....
Granted I'm a bit of a tough parent with the witchling, but I only save the
condemnation to eternal damnation if she does something REALLY bad :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 04:53:36 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
You lunatics need to get your stories straight, otherwise you might
look like idiots. Why don't you and Duke sort out exactly what Hell is
(apparently Duke thinks atheists will be "bending over" a lot), where
it is, and then get back to us with why we might need it.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 05:16:32 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
You lunatics need to get your stories straight, otherwise you might
look like idiots. Why don't you and Duke sort out exactly what Hell is
(apparently Duke thinks atheists will be "bending over" a lot)
That would concern me greatly if I believed him, but exactly what does
he think he's threatening male homosexuals with?
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 05:20:43 PM |
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Pastor Kutchie wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
You lunatics need to get your stories straight, otherwise you might
look like idiots. Why don't you and Duke sort out exactly what Hell is
(apparently Duke thinks atheists will be "bending over" a lot)
That would concern me greatly if I believed him, but exactly what does
he think he's threatening male homosexuals with?
Or women that like anal sex...I already asked him that and he ignored
the question, as usual.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 05:21:17 PM |
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On 12 Jun 2006 15:20:43 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
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Pastor Kutchie wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
You lunatics need to get your stories straight, otherwise you might
look like idiots. Why don't you and Duke sort out exactly what Hell is
(apparently Duke thinks atheists will be "bending over" a lot)
That would concern me greatly if I believed him, but exactly what does
he think he's threatening male homosexuals with?
Or women that like anal sex...I already asked him that and he ignored
the question, as usual.
Buggered if I know.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
13 Jun 2006 06:14:33 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:h6qr82563clc9gnflkofunrn19hsvcllce@4ax.com:
On 12 Jun 2006 15:20:43 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Pastor Kutchie wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
You lunatics need to get your stories straight, otherwise you might
look like idiots. Why don't you and Duke sort out exactly what Hell
is
(apparently Duke thinks atheists will be "bending over" a lot)
That would concern me greatly if I believed him, but exactly what does
he think he's threatening male homosexuals with?
Or women that like anal sex...I already asked him that and he ignored
the question, as usual.
Buggered if I know.
Groaaaaannnn...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 05:29:52 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 12 Jun 2006 15:20:43 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Pastor Kutchie wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
You lunatics need to get your stories straight, otherwise you might
look like idiots. Why don't you and Duke sort out exactly what Hell is
(apparently Duke thinks atheists will be "bending over" a lot)
That would concern me greatly if I believed him, but exactly what does
he think he's threatening male homosexuals with?
Or women that like anal sex...I already asked him that and he ignored
the question, as usual.
Buggered if I know.
Buggered if you don't, too, in Duke's world.
I also wonder, if Hell is supposed to be punishment, if people that
enjoy anal sex would go to Heaven as punishment, because there they
would be deprived of it?If this is the case, Heaven would be filled
with all sorts of people that Christians hate, then the Christians
would have to vacate to Hell to get away from them, as there is no
other place for them to go. Therefore Heaven would be filled with
sinners and Hell would be filled with Christians. I love theology.
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
16 Jun 2006 12:27:58 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
I don't need hell. You do, to make sure you do the right thing.
Jack
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 05:54:43 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<TAkjg.71244$QU3.16397@bignews8.bellsouth.net>...
Why We Need Hell
If your god is omnipotent, it doesn't "need" hell nor anything else...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 07:39:33 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<TAkjg.71244$QU3.16397@bignews8.bellsouth.net>...
Why We Need Hell
If your god is omnipotent, it doesn't "need" hell nor anything else...
The title doesn't refer to God, Bilbo.
If you'd read what's actually there instead of what you want to see
you would know that.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 08:19:03 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<1150159173.484667.125940@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<TAkjg.71244$QU3.16397@bignews8.bellsouth.net>...
Why We Need Hell
If your god is omnipotent, it doesn't "need" hell nor anything else...
The title doesn't refer to God, Bilbo.
If you'd read what's actually there instead of what you want to see you
would know that.
I know what it said. And I know what I meant.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
13 Jun 2006 09:07:53 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:FO6dnbU4bLMVjxPZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<1150159173.484667.125940@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<TAkjg.71244$QU3.16397@bignews8.bellsouth.net>...
Why We Need Hell
If your god is omnipotent, it doesn't "need" hell nor anything else...
The title doesn't refer to God, Bilbo.
If you'd read what's actually there instead of what you want to see you
would know that.
I know what it said. And I know what I meant.
An elephant faithful, 100 percent ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 08:28:18 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<1150159173.484667.125940@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Kurt Nicklas in episode
<TAkjg.71244$QU3.16397@bignews8.bellsouth.net>...
Why We Need Hell
If your god is omnipotent, it doesn't "need" hell nor anything else...
The title doesn't refer to God, Bilbo.
If you'd read what's actually there instead of what you want to see you
would know that.
I know what it said. And I know what I meant.
0 for 2.
Congratulations.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
12 Jun 2006 04:59:05 PM |
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Snip alt.society.liberalism, which was inexplicably included in a post
on a religious topic.
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
Considering hell to be "seperation from God" hardly changes the fact
that it's intended to be eternal torment. Wouldn't you think a merciful
god would let those of us that fail the test another chance or perhaps
even just let us cease to exist, rather than TORMENT US FOR ETERNITY?
Face it. No matter how theologically necessary you think hell is, no
matter what definition you choose to give it, infinite punishment for
finite crimes is an immoral doctrine that contradicts the supposed
benevolence of "God".
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
13 Jun 2006 08:08:05 AM |
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On 12 Jun 2006 14:59:05 -0700, Chris Johnson wrote in message
<1150149545.862685.326270@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Snip alt.society.liberalism, which was inexplicably included in a post
on a religious topic.
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
Considering hell to be "seperation from God" hardly changes the fact
that it's intended to be eternal torment.
And of course begs the question as to why atheists and others who are
currently separated from God don't suffer the pains of Hell here and
now.
Wouldn't you think a merciful
god would let those of us that fail the test another chance or perhaps
even just let us cease to exist, rather than TORMENT US FOR ETERNITY?
And of course the moral case is far worse than that when one considers
that this omniscient God has know from Eternity that there are some
people who would be born into lives of unremitting suffering, die
terrible deaths and end up consigned to Hell, but never-the-less
permits the creation of these people.
Face it. No matter how theologically necessary you think hell is, no
matter what definition you choose to give it, infinite punishment for
finite crimes is an immoral doctrine that contradicts the supposed
benevolence of "God".
Quite so.
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: #Why We Need Hell |
13 Jun 2006 02:37:21 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On 12 Jun 2006 14:59:05 -0700, Chris Johnson wrote in message
<1150149545.862685.326270@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Snip alt.society.liberalism, which was inexplicably included in a post
on a religious topic.
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
http://beliefnet.com/story/163/story_16319_1.html
Considering hell to be "seperation from God" hardly changes the fact
that it's intended to be eternal torment.
And of course begs the question as to why atheists and others who are
currently separated from God don't suffer the pains of Hell here and
now.
Wouldn't you think a merciful
god would let those of us that fail the test another chance or perhaps
even just let us cease to exist, rather than TORMENT US FOR ETERNITY?
And of course the moral case is far worse than that when one considers
that this omniscient God has know from Eternity that there are some
people who would be born into lives of unremitting suffering, die
terrible deaths and end up consigned to Hell, but never-the-less
permits the creation of these people.
Beyond that, omniscience contradicts any choice we have in the matter,
so we have no moral culpability. Whether God knew all along he was
going to damn us, the fact that he does when we cannot be held
responsible is a whole other can of worms.
Face it. No matter how theologically necessary you think hell is, no
matter what definition you choose to give it, infinite punishment for
finite crimes is an immoral doctrine that contradicts the supposed
benevolence of "God".
Quite so.
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline R=E9age. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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