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"Budikka666" |
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10 Jul 2006 08:21:58 PM |
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Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
http://tinyurl.com/s94o8
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Budikka
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
10 Jul 2006 11:06:10 PM |
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Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 AM |
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In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Actually the government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
but nothing for Wiccans. I think that the prejudice exists because many
still mistakenly believe that Wicca is all about black magic and devil
worship.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
11 Jul 2006 08:28:56 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Actually the government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave. I am an
American atheist, not an American Atheist.
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³They are actually a manifestation of the famed Usenet hydra: you cut off one
head, and a stupider one grows back...³-Bonfire of the Deities
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
17 Jul 2006 01:21:24 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Actually the government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave. I am an
American atheist, not an American Atheist.
You'd be busy decomposing......
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
11 Jul 2006 11:53:05 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
The government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave.
You would be fucking _dead_ if you were to get that put over your grave.
So what would you care?
:-)
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
11 Jul 2006 10:36:54 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:53:05 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote
(in article <pan.2006.07.11.16.53.05.389699@exit.com>):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
The government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave.
You would be fucking _dead_ if you were to get that put over your grave.
So what would you care?
-)
I was in the military, during a war, so I should not have the right to be
pissed at the possibility of having something I do not want placed over me?
In many ways it is exactly the same as the idiot Morman's "baptizing" dead
people. It shows a complete lack of honesty, compassion for the living
relatives of the dead person.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Jesus loves you, but Cthulu thinks you're part of a nutritious
breakfast."-Dr. Smartass
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
11 Jul 2006 11:55:05 PM |
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In article <0001HW.C0D9D886002A624DF0305530@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:53:05 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote
(in article <pan.2006.07.11.16.53.05.389699@exit.com>):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
The government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave.
You would be fucking _dead_ if you were to get that put over your grave.
So what would you care?
-)
I was in the military, during a war, so I should not have the right to be
pissed at the possibility of having something I do not want placed over me?
In many ways it is exactly the same as the idiot Morman's "baptizing" dead
people. It shows a complete lack of honesty, compassion for the living
relatives of the dead person.
Actually when I'm dead, I wouldn't care what they put over me. As a
matter of fact, I don't even want a grave. Why take up valuable space?
My intention is to be cremated and have my ashes dumped in the ocean.
The only memorial that I want is in the memories of those I cared about.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
17 Jul 2006 01:22:04 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:36:54 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:53:05 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote
(in article <pan.2006.07.11.16.53.05.389699@exit.com>):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
The government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave.
You would be fucking _dead_ if you were to get that put over your grave.
So what would you care?
-)
I was in the military, during a war, so I should not have the right to be
pissed at the possibility of having something I do not want placed over me?
In many ways it is exactly the same as the idiot Morman's "baptizing" dead
people. It shows a complete lack of honesty, compassion for the living
relatives of the dead person.
What else can you expect when Christians are running the show?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
12 Jul 2006 09:50:25 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:36:54 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:53:05 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote
(in article <pan.2006.07.11.16.53.05.389699@exit.com>):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
The government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave.
You would be fucking _dead_ if you were to get that put over your grave.
So what would you care?
I was in the military, during a war, so I should not have the right to be
pissed at the possibility of having something I do not want placed over me?
In many ways it is exactly the same as the idiot Morman's "baptizing" dead
people. It shows a complete lack of honesty, compassion for the living
relatives of the dead person.
I was being facetious. You can have whatever you like on your headstone.
Including "Here lies Ullysses S. Grant," if you like.
(Who's buried in Grant's tomb?)
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
12 Jul 2006 11:44:03 PM |
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In article <pan.2006.07.13.02.50.23.878960@exit.com>,
Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:36:54 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:53:05 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote
(in article <pan.2006.07.11.16.53.05.389699@exit.com>):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
The government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave.
You would be fucking _dead_ if you were to get that put over your grave.
So what would you care?
I was in the military, during a war, so I should not have the right to be
pissed at the possibility of having something I do not want placed over me?
In many ways it is exactly the same as the idiot Morman's "baptizing" dead
people. It shows a complete lack of honesty, compassion for the living
relatives of the dead person.
I was being facetious. You can have whatever you like on your headstone.
Including "Here lies Ullysses S. Grant," if you like.
(Who's buried in Grant's tomb?)
Cary Grant?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
17 Jul 2006 01:22:42 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:50:25 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:36:54 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:53:05 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote
(in article <pan.2006.07.11.16.53.05.389699@exit.com>):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:50 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-AF5B41.23015010072006@news.giganews.com>):
The government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
I would be fucking pissed if I were to get that put over my grave.
You would be fucking _dead_ if you were to get that put over your grave.
So what would you care?
I was in the military, during a war, so I should not have the right to be
pissed at the possibility of having something I do not want placed over me?
In many ways it is exactly the same as the idiot Morman's "baptizing" dead
people. It shows a complete lack of honesty, compassion for the living
relatives of the dead person.
I was being facetious. You can have whatever you like on your headstone.
Including "Here lies Ullysses S. Grant," if you like.
(Who's buried in Grant's tomb?)
I'll grant you that......
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "gusCubed" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
11 Jul 2006 02:43:22 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Actually the government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
Interestingly, note the Christian Science symbol is not shown because
of copyright issues (not surprising from the lawyerbot-thetans), but
also the Muslim 5-pointed star is not shown for the same reason.
I had no idea anyone owned the copyrights to Islam. I'm sure our
friends in Saudi Arabia would love to hear that.
but nothing for Wiccans. I think that the prejudice exists because many
still mistakenly believe that Wicca is all about black magic and devil
worship.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
11 Jul 2006 11:49:30 PM |
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In article <1152603802.513749.60890@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"gusCubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would
possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell
that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Actually the government does have a marker for atheists, the American
Atheist organizations logo:
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
Interestingly, note the Christian Science symbol is not shown because
of copyright issues (not surprising from the lawyerbot-thetans), but
also the Muslim 5-pointed star is not shown for the same reason.
I had no idea anyone owned the copyrights to Islam. I'm sure our
friends in Saudi Arabia would love to hear that.
However, they do allow the Muslim Crescent. I don't know why a Muslim
would choose one over the other.
but nothing for Wiccans. I think that the prejudice exists because many
still mistakenly believe that Wicca is all about black magic and devil
worship.
--
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
17 Jul 2006 01:37:30 PM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1152603802.513749.60890@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"gusCubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
Interestingly, note the Christian Science symbol is not shown because
of copyright issues (not surprising from the lawyerbot-thetans), but
also the Muslim 5-pointed star is not shown for the same reason.
I had no idea anyone owned the copyrights to Islam. I'm sure our
friends in Saudi Arabia would love to hear that.
However, they do allow the Muslim Crescent. I don't know why a Muslim
would choose one over the other.
Note that the Christian Science symbol and that particular
Muslim 5-pointed star can still be chosen for veterans'
headstones - they are choices #97 and #98 off the list - the
Veteran's Administration just can't show them on the
website. I'm pretty sure that anyone asking for these
symbols on a tomb will know what they look like.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
19 Jul 2006 07:27:05 PM |
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On 17 Jul 2006 11:37:30 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
johac wrote:
In article <1152603802.513749.60890@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"gusCubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
Interestingly, note the Christian Science symbol is not shown because
of copyright issues (not surprising from the lawyerbot-thetans), but
also the Muslim 5-pointed star is not shown for the same reason.
I had no idea anyone owned the copyrights to Islam. I'm sure our
friends in Saudi Arabia would love to hear that.
However, they do allow the Muslim Crescent. I don't know why a Muslim
would choose one over the other.
Note that the Christian Science symbol and that particular
Muslim 5-pointed star can still be chosen for veterans'
headstones - they are choices #97 and #98 off the list - the
Veteran's Administration just can't show them on the
website. I'm pretty sure that anyone asking for these
symbols on a tomb will know what they look like.
Still strange. It's not like it's being used for commercial purposes.
It would be used to honour the dead.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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26 Jul 2006 08:40:40 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On 17 Jul 2006 11:37:30 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
johac wrote:
In article <1152603802.513749.60890@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"gusCubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
Interestingly, note the Christian Science symbol is not shown because
of copyright issues (not surprising from the lawyerbot-thetans), but
also the Muslim 5-pointed star is not shown for the same reason.
I had no idea anyone owned the copyrights to Islam. I'm sure our
friends in Saudi Arabia would love to hear that.
However, they do allow the Muslim Crescent. I don't know why a Muslim
would choose one over the other.
Note that the Christian Science symbol and that particular
Muslim 5-pointed star can still be chosen for veterans'
headstones - they are choices #97 and #98 off the list - the
Veteran's Administration just can't show them on the
website. I'm pretty sure that anyone asking for these
symbols on a tomb will know what they look like.
Still strange. It's not like it's being used for commercial purposes.
It would be used to honour the dead.
I suspect it isn't a problem with use on veterans' headstones,
but more a problem with displaying it on a US government
web site.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
27 Jul 2006 11:16:15 AM |
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On 26 Jul 2006 06:40:40 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 17 Jul 2006 11:37:30 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
johac wrote:
In article <1152603802.513749.60890@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"gusCubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e8v83i$4em$3@online.de>,
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
Interestingly, note the Christian Science symbol is not shown because
of copyright issues (not surprising from the lawyerbot-thetans), but
also the Muslim 5-pointed star is not shown for the same reason.
I had no idea anyone owned the copyrights to Islam. I'm sure our
friends in Saudi Arabia would love to hear that.
However, they do allow the Muslim Crescent. I don't know why a Muslim
would choose one over the other.
Note that the Christian Science symbol and that particular
Muslim 5-pointed star can still be chosen for veterans'
headstones - they are choices #97 and #98 off the list - the
Veteran's Administration just can't show them on the
website. I'm pretty sure that anyone asking for these
symbols on a tomb will know what they look like.
Still strange. It's not like it's being used for commercial purposes.
It would be used to honour the dead.
I suspect it isn't a problem with use on veterans' headstones,
but more a problem with displaying it on a US government
web site.
Sorry, that's what I meant-displaying it on the website.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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11 Jul 2006 01:58:46 PM |
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johac:
...I think that the prejudice exists because many
still mistakenly believe that Wicca is all about black magic and devil
worship.
Sounds likely indeed. :(
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "duke" |
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12 Jul 2006 04:40:51 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:06:10 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Well, you're the numbnuts that brought it up. There are no atheists in
foxholes.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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12 Jul 2006 05:23:04 PM |
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In article <v1rab2dsmm48q193ogdrkribimaiunchai@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:06:10 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Well, you're the numbnuts that brought it up. There are no atheists in
foxholes.
Duke shows great respect for our veterans and our fallen war dead -- as
long as they aren't atheists:
atheistfoxholes.org
-- cary
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13 Jul 2006 02:12:25 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:23:04 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <v1rab2dsmm48q193ogdrkribimaiunchai@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:06:10 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Well, you're the numbnuts that brought it up. There are no atheists in
foxholes.
Duke shows great respect for our veterans and our fallen war dead -- as
long as they aren't atheists:
atheistfoxholes.org
There are no atheists in foxholes.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
13 Jul 2006 03:22:01 PM |
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In article <2o6db2ldg55pga1tsh6v01iphm6ahss7mi@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:23:04 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
In article <v1rab2dsmm48q193ogdrkribimaiunchai@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:06:10 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Budikka666:
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Aaah, ain't that understandable? After all, a wiccan memorial would possibly
show the sheeple, err, people that there _are_ "atheists in
foxholes" (Okay, wicca != atheism of course, but go thee out and tell that
to the numbnuts!)... would ruin all that propaganda that keeps up a
semblance of democracy!
Well, you're the numbnuts that brought it up. There are no atheists in
foxholes.
Duke shows great respect for our veterans and our fallen war dead -- as
long as they aren't atheists:
atheistfoxholes.org
There are no atheists in foxholes.
Those who were there say "yes". Duke, who managed to dodge his way out
of ever finding himself in a foxhole -- and is to this day to embarrassed
to admit to the details -- thinks he can decide such matters from a safe
and comfy three thousand mile distance.
-- cary
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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13 Jul 2006 02:17:29 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:2o6db2ldg55pga1tsh6v01iphm6ahss7mi@4ax.com:
There are no atheists in foxholes.
Never been in a fox hole, Earl, how would you know anything about it?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"I still say a church steeple with a lightening rod on top shows a lack
of confidence."
-- Doug McLeod
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Jul 2006 01:19:41 PM |
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On 10 Jul 2006 18:21:58 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
http://tinyurl.com/s94o8
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Christian ignorance, bigotry, prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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17 Jul 2006 01:47:09 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:21:58 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
http://tinyurl.com/s94o8
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Christian ignorance, bigotry, prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless.
Of the currently approved list of 38, about 17 are for
faiths other than christian - that in a country that has
historically ranged around 80%+ christian.
Is there any kind of internationally approved Wiccan symbol?
I know the VA has been working on what to do about
Wiccan veterans' tombstones for a few years now, I
wonder how many people have to belong to a religion
before it can get on their approved list.
Have some bureacrats wanting not to offend any Wiccans
by using the wrong symbol, add some bureacrats who don't
want to add any symbols at all, add some bureacrats
who actually *do* have a prejudice against what they see
as satan-worshippers, and I can see how the process
of adding a Wiccan symbol could get stalled indefinitely.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Jul 2006 07:34:00 PM |
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On 17 Jul 2006 11:47:09 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:21:58 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
http://tinyurl.com/s94o8
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Christian ignorance, bigotry, prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless.
Of the currently approved list of 38, about 17 are for
faiths other than christian - that in a country that has
historically ranged around 80%+ christian.
I know, but this one is viewed as being of 'The Adversary' for some
strange unreason.
Is there any kind of internationally approved Wiccan symbol?
No idea.
I know the VA has been working on what to do about
Wiccan veterans' tombstones for a few years now, I
wonder how many people have to belong to a religion
before it can get on their approved list.
Before something can get on an approved list it first must be removed
from the ***** list.
Have some bureacrats wanting not to offend any Wiccans
by using the wrong symbol, add some bureacrats who don't
want to add any symbols at all, add some bureacrats
who actually *do* have a prejudice against what they see
as satan-worshippers, and I can see how the process
of adding a Wiccan symbol could get stalled indefinitely.
Sure. Which is why I indicated; "Christian ignorance, bigotry,
prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless."
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
26 Jul 2006 08:39:28 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On 17 Jul 2006 11:47:09 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:21:58 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
http://tinyurl.com/s94o8
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Christian ignorance, bigotry, prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless.
Of the currently approved list of 38, about 17 are for
faiths other than christian - that in a country that has
historically ranged around 80%+ christian.
I know, but this one is viewed as being of 'The Adversary' for some
strange unreason.
There are also a lot of xtians who see Wicca as a fake religion,
like a teenage fad.
Have some bureacrats wanting not to offend any Wiccans
by using the wrong symbol, add some bureacrats who don't
want to add any symbols at all, add some bureacrats
who actually *do* have a prejudice against what they see
as satan-worshippers, and I can see how the process
of adding a Wiccan symbol could get stalled indefinitely.
Sure. Which is why I indicated; "Christian ignorance, bigotry,
prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless."
I'm suspecting more bureacratic inertia than "ignorance,
bigotry, prejudice and hypocrisy" - for all I know, there's
one person holding up the process and they're a Zen
Bhuddist - but I may be too willing to assign this to
ineptitude rather than evil.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Jul 2006 11:18:51 AM |
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On 26 Jul 2006 06:39:28 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 17 Jul 2006 11:47:09 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:21:58 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
http://tinyurl.com/s94o8
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Christian ignorance, bigotry, prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless.
Of the currently approved list of 38, about 17 are for
faiths other than christian - that in a country that has
historically ranged around 80%+ christian.
I know, but this one is viewed as being of 'The Adversary' for some
strange unreason.
There are also a lot of xtians who see Wicca as a fake religion,
like a teenage fad.
Whereas theirs isn't fake. [laughter]
Have some bureacrats wanting not to offend any Wiccans
by using the wrong symbol, add some bureacrats who don't
want to add any symbols at all, add some bureacrats
who actually *do* have a prejudice against what they see
as satan-worshippers, and I can see how the process
of adding a Wiccan symbol could get stalled indefinitely.
Sure. Which is why I indicated; "Christian ignorance, bigotry,
prejudice, and hypocrisy is boundless."
I'm suspecting more bureacratic inertia than "ignorance,
bigotry, prejudice and hypocrisy" - for all I know, there's
one person holding up the process and they're a Zen
Bhuddist - but I may be too willing to assign this to
ineptitude rather than evil.
That may be-either way, but I'd still select the latter.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Wiccan US Soldier Killed in Afghanistan Gets no Memorial |
02 Aug 2006 07:04:18 PM |
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On 28 Jul 2006 18:04:37 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 26 Jul 2006 06:39:28 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
There are also a lot of xtians who see Wicca as a fake religion,
like a teenage fad.
Whereas theirs isn't fake. [laughter]
I'm just going by anecdotal evidence here, but I have a feeling
that almost all the adherents to neopagan religions that the
average American christian has ever met were christians who
were going through a "let's make mommy and daddy go crazy"
phase where they played at being pagans - thus the image of
neopaganism as a "fake religion", just a rebellious playacting
young people go through before they grow up and get serious
about worshipping that guy who used to be really into making
sure the tip of every penis got snipped off.
You may very well be correct. The clueless and their altar egos....
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Rune B" |
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11 Jul 2006 12:31:49 AM |
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On 10 Jul 2006 18:21:58 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/s94o8
Just goes to show how the government *does* respect the establishment
of religion, doesn't it - as long as it's the right one.
Disgraceful.
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