Religions > Atheism > Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government computer doesn't recognize miracles
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Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government computer doesn't recognize miracles |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=501109&in_page_id=1770
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
By LUKE SALKELD
When June Clarke walked again after six years in a wheelchair, the committed
Christian put it down to the power of prayer.
But when she shared the good news with benefits officials, they refused to
stop her incapacity allowance - telling her their computer "didn't have a
button for miracles".
With the Government pledging to crack down on "sicknote Britain", it seems
remarkable the 56-year-old received more than 3,500 she did not even want.
Mrs Clarke, from Plymouth, slipped on a wet floor at her workplace in 2000.
She badly damaged her hip, pelvis and spine and had to give up work and draw
incapacity benefits as her symptoms worsened.
Her husband Stuart, 58, a pastor at Hooe Baptist Church, said that he prayed
every day after the accident that God would "bring my wife back".
The prayer seemed to be answered when his wife attended a Christian
conference in January last year.
Within hours, Mrs Clarke was able to fold away her wheelchair and stop
taking painkillers. When she realised she was permanently cured four months
later, she contacted the Government's Industrial Injury Department to put a
stop to her benefits.
But the department continued to give her 600 a month - and she ended up
being paid 3,600 in incapacity benefits for a period when she was in
perfect health.
"After I got healed in January 2006 I went to the doctor to check it out
with him," she said yesterday.
"He said wait six months.
"But after four months I felt uncomfortable taking benefits when I didn't
need them. I contacted the offices to ask to come off the benefits."
But officials told her that the system was unable to recognise an apparently
miraculous recovery.
Mrs Clarke had been awarded an allowance for life and the computer wasn't
programmed to allow the payments to end until her death.
"They said: 'We haven't got a button to push that says miracle'."
She then saw a government doctor, who was baffled about her recovery but
declared her fully fit.
The allowance was stopped and Mrs Clarke has since been able to repay the
money by working as a carer.
Mr Clarke said that he found the couple's battle with the benefits system
amusing, if frustrating.
"We would have loved to have used the money for a good cause," he said.
"But it wasn't ours to spend. It can't be often that a government department
gets a complaint about unwanted cash."
A spokesman from the Department for Work and Pensions said: "Each case is
treated individually. When a customer contacts us to say they no longer
require or need to claim benefits we ask for a letter of confirmation for
security reasons."
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J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because governmentcomputer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 02:43:01 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=501109&in_page_id=1770
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
Exactly the way it should be. The cure, assuming the story is not fiction, would have been due to a
'natural' event.
All that prayer does is make the participants look ridiculous
By LUKE SALKELD
When June Clarke walked again after six years in a wheelchair, the committed
Christian put it down to the power of prayer.
But when she shared the good news with benefits officials, they refused to
stop her incapacity allowance - telling her their computer "didn't have a
button for miracles".
With the Government pledging to crack down on "sicknote Britain", it seems
remarkable the 56-year-old received more than 3,500 she did not even want.
Mrs Clarke, from Plymouth, slipped on a wet floor at her workplace in 2000.
She badly damaged her hip, pelvis and spine and had to give up work and draw
incapacity benefits as her symptoms worsened.
Her husband Stuart, 58, a pastor at Hooe Baptist Church, said that he prayed
every day after the accident that God would "bring my wife back".
The prayer seemed to be answered when his wife attended a Christian
conference in January last year.
Within hours, Mrs Clarke was able to fold away her wheelchair and stop
taking painkillers. When she realised she was permanently cured four months
later, she contacted the Government's Industrial Injury Department to put a
stop to her benefits.
But the department continued to give her 600 a month - and she ended up
being paid 3,600 in incapacity benefits for a period when she was in
perfect health.
"After I got healed in January 2006 I went to the doctor to check it out
with him," she said yesterday.
"He said wait six months.
"But after four months I felt uncomfortable taking benefits when I didn't
need them. I contacted the offices to ask to come off the benefits."
But officials told her that the system was unable to recognise an apparently
miraculous recovery.
Mrs Clarke had been awarded an allowance for life and the computer wasn't
programmed to allow the payments to end until her death.
"They said: 'We haven't got a button to push that says miracle'."
She then saw a government doctor, who was baffled about her recovery but
declared her fully fit.
The allowance was stopped and Mrs Clarke has since been able to repay the
money by working as a carer.
Mr Clarke said that he found the couple's battle with the benefits system
amusing, if frustrating.
"We would have loved to have used the money for a good cause," he said.
"But it wasn't ours to spend. It can't be often that a government department
gets a complaint about unwanted cash."
A spokesman from the Department for Work and Pensions said: "Each case is
treated individually. When a customer contacts us to say they no longer
require or need to claim benefits we ask for a letter of confirmation for
security reasons."
--
J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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<p>J Young wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=501109&in_page_id=1770">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=501109&in_page_id=1770</a>
<p>Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
<br>computer doesn't recognize miracles</blockquote>
Exactly the way it should be. The cure, assuming the story is not
fiction, would have been due to a 'natural' event.
<p>All that prayer does is make the participants look ridiculous
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
<p>By LUKE SALKELD
<p>When June Clarke walked again after six years in a wheelchair, the committed
<br>Christian put it down to the power of prayer.
<p>But when she shared the good news with benefits officials, they refused
to
<br>stop her incapacity allowance - telling her their computer "didn't
have a
<br>button for miracles".
<p>With the Government pledging to crack down on "sicknote Britain", it
seems
<br>remarkable the 56-year-old received more than 3,500 she did not even
want.
<p>Mrs Clarke, from Plymouth, slipped on a wet floor at her workplace in
2000.
<br>She badly damaged her hip, pelvis and spine and had to give up work
and draw
<br>incapacity benefits as her symptoms worsened.
<p>Her husband Stuart, 58, a pastor at Hooe Baptist Church, said that he
prayed
<br>every day after the accident that God would "bring my wife back".
<p>The prayer seemed to be answered when his wife attended a Christian
<br>conference in January last year.
<p>Within hours, Mrs Clarke was able to fold away her wheelchair and stop
<br>taking painkillers. When she realised she was permanently cured four
months
<br>later, she contacted the Government's Industrial Injury Department
to put a
<br>stop to her benefits.
<p>But the department continued to give her 600 a month - and she ended
up
<br>being paid 3,600 in incapacity benefits for a period when she was
in
<br>perfect health.
<p>"After I got healed in January 2006 I went to the doctor to check it
out
<br>with him," she said yesterday.
<p>"He said wait six months.
<p>"But after four months I felt uncomfortable taking benefits when I didn't
<br>need them. I contacted the offices to ask to come off the benefits."
<p>But officials told her that the system was unable to recognise an apparently
<br>miraculous recovery.
<p>Mrs Clarke had been awarded an allowance for life and the computer wasn't
<br>programmed to allow the payments to end until her death.
<p>"They said: 'We haven't got a button to push that says miracle'."
<p>She then saw a government doctor, who was baffled about her recovery
but
<br>declared her fully fit.
<p>The allowance was stopped and Mrs Clarke has since been able to repay
the
<br>money by working as a carer.
<p>Mr Clarke said that he found the couple's battle with the benefits system
<br>amusing, if frustrating.
<p>"We would have loved to have used the money for a good cause," he said.
<p>"But it wasn't ours to spend. It can't be often that a government department
<br>gets a complaint about unwanted cash."
<p>A spokesman from the Department for Work and Pensions said: "Each case
is
<br>treated individually. When a customer contacts us to say they no longer
<br>require or need to claim benefits we ask for a letter of confirmation
for
<br>security reasons."
<p>--
<br>J Young
<br>jyoungvisions@aol.com</blockquote>
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped becausegovernment computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 07:57:25 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Jesus loves you all, and can't wait to control you like a
small household pet
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| User: "Robert Weldon" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 01:59:13 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:jaidnXO2vZJYdcLanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Jesus loves you all, and can't wait to control you like a
small household pet
It's obvious, isn't it, they didn't pray for it. Everyone knows an
omnipotent god doesn't do anything unless it is prayed for first.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped becausegovernment computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 07:28:51 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:13 +0000, Robert Weldon wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:jaidnXO2vZJYdcLanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
It's obvious, isn't it, they didn't pray for it. Everyone knows an
omnipotent god doesn't do anything unless it is prayed for first.
Isn't it weird that an omniscient, omnipotent being has to be told what
to do?
(Well, he is old, maybe he's senile)
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"For god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son,
that whosoever would believe in him would believe in anything."
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 05:33:13 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:13 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
"Robert Weldon" <rweldon.spamblock@jrpspamblock.ca> wrote in
<l4X7j.2899$ox1.2842@pd7urf3no>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:jaidnXO2vZJYdcLanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Jesus loves you all, and can't wait to control you like a
small household pet
It's obvious, isn't it, they didn't pray for it. Everyone knows an
omnipotent god doesn't do anything unless it is prayed for first.
And then He ignores the request.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 05:45:37 PM |
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In article <jaidnXO2vZJYdcLanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
Actually, they're on the line to Heavenly Tech Support even as we
speak.
God, it turns out, speaks English with a Hindi accent. Whooda thunk it?
-- cary
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| User: "DannaLene" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 07:38:02 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:fjprr1$hbj$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <jaidnXO2vZJYdcLanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
Actually, they're on the line to Heavenly Tech Support even as we
speak.
God, it turns out, speaks English with a Hindi accent. Whooda thunk it?
Uh, the reached Hewlett Packard tech support............
-- cary
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Dec 2007 07:29:30 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:45:37 +0000, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <jaidnXO2vZJYdcLanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K.
Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
Actually, they're on the line to Heavenly Tech Support even as we speak.
God, it turns out, speaks English with a Hindi accent. Whooda thunk it?
So it turns out that there wasn't so much a war in heaven as there was an
outsourcing and layoffs...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“...The only really respectable Protestants are the
Fundamentalists. Unfortunately, they are also palpable idiots...”
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 07:38:48 PM |
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In article <TqydnUS2f91nF_3anZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:45:37 +0000, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <jaidnXO2vZJYdcLanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com> "Mark K.
Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
Actually, they're on the line to Heavenly Tech Support even as we speak.
God, it turns out, speaks English with a Hindi accent. Whooda thunk it?
So it turns out that there wasn't so much a war in heaven as there was an
outsourcing and layoffs...
Oooh. That has DISTINCT possibilities.
-- cary
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped becausegovernment computer doesn't recognize miracles |
12 Dec 2007 07:31:19 PM |
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On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:21 -0500, J Young wrote:
Wife 'cured' by prayer can't get benefits stopped because government
computer doesn't recognize miracles
So why can't god fix it?
Because computers are encased in iron chariots.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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