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| User: |
"Paul Abeles" |
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06 Feb 2004 02:42:06 PM |
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Will Israel remain a democracy? |
Most Jews support the status of Israel as a democracy.
The only problem being it must be a " Jewish" democracy as we have seen by
the posts on here.
Many Jews are concerned about the high birth rate of Israeli Arabs.
Should we in the West also be concerned about the breeding rates of Muslims?
Should we in the west take steps to ensure our atho-Christian majority?
Should we allow our sought after lifestyles and standards of living to be
destroyed by alien cultures?
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| User: "amigocabal" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 08:03:49 PM |
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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I did, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what country these people
live
in and who's tanks and soilders control it.
-TheMan-
Sir,
The Latin term for the people is " Rag-headia Stupida"
They live in no country but in an area called the West Bank that
was administered by Jordan until that country attacked Israel in 1967
They started a guerilla war against Israel. The response to
war
is more war . They have the power to stop their pain.
You just want them to inflict pain of Israel. No, we
won't
cooperate
irgun43
The people who do not start a guerilla war against occupation are
rightfully referred to as cowards.
jews never resisted Nazis and went to the camps willingly. Do you expect
Palestinians to do the same?
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 08:38:54 PM |
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"amigocabal" <pinkspider123@earthlink.com> wrote in message
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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I did, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what country these
people
live
in and who's tanks and soilders control it.
-TheMan-
Sir,
The Latin term for the people is " Rag-headia Stupida"
They live in no country but in an area called the West
Bank that
was administered by Jordan until that country attacked Israel in
1967
They started a guerilla war against Israel. The
response to
war
is more war . They have the power to stop their pain.
You just want them to inflict pain of Israel.
No, we
won't
cooperate
irgun43
The people who do not start a guerilla war against occupation are
rightfully referred to as cowards.
jews never resisted Nazis and went to the camps willingly. Do you
expect
Palestinians to do the same?
This is sick. There is no parallel. The suffering of the
Palestinians is not self-inflicted, but it is definitely
Arab-inflicted.
Izzy
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| User: "TheMan" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 10:41:50 PM |
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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"amigocabal" <pinkspider123@earthlink.com> wrote in message
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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I did, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what country these
people
live
in and who's tanks and soilders control it.
-TheMan-
Sir,
The Latin term for the people is " Rag-headia Stupida"
They live in no country but in an area called the West
Bank that
was administered by Jordan until that country attacked Israel in
1967
They started a guerilla war against Israel. The
response to
war
is more war . They have the power to stop their pain.
You just want them to inflict pain of Israel.
No, we
won't
cooperate
irgun43
The people who do not start a guerilla war against occupation are
rightfully referred to as cowards.
jews never resisted Nazis and went to the camps willingly. Do you
expect
Palestinians to do the same?
This is sick. There is no parallel. The suffering of the
Palestinians is not self-inflicted, but it is definitely
Arab-inflicted.
Yep there is a parellel alright, you just can't accept it.
Why sit by and let the minority groups slaughter you, when the Palestinians
can organise civil uprisings.
-TheMan-
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 01:03:04 AM |
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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"amigocabal" <pinkspider123@earthlink.com> wrote in message
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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I did, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what country
these
people
live
in and who's tanks and soilders control it.
-TheMan-
Sir,
The Latin term for the people is " Rag-headia
Stupida"
They live in no country but in an area called the
West
Bank that
was administered by Jordan until that country attacked
Israel in
1967
They started a guerilla war against Israel. The
response to
war
is more war . They have the power to stop their pain.
You just want them to inflict pain of
Israel.
No, we
won't
cooperate
irgun43
The people who do not start a guerilla war against occupation
are
rightfully referred to as cowards.
jews never resisted Nazis and went to the camps willingly. Do
you
expect
Palestinians to do the same?
This is sick. There is no parallel. The suffering of the
Palestinians is not self-inflicted, but it is definitely
Arab-inflicted.
Yep there is a parellel alright, you just can't accept it.
Why sit by and let the minority groups slaughter you, when the
Palestinians
can organise civil uprisings.
-TheMan-
The comparative casualty figures suggest this is not such a great
idea.
Izzy
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| User: "Arthur Brain" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 04:59:18 PM |
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<P0aVb.17830$uM2.2335@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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I did, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what country these people live
in and who's tanks and soilders control it.
-TheMan-
Sir,
The Latin term for the people is " Rag-headia Stupida"
Yep, we have here a bona-fide racist, and what a co-incidence, he is
also a zionist. Almost certainly an immigrant from eastern Europe
where this sort of racist disease seems endemic.
If history has taught us one thing, it is that the kind of people who
carry out ethnic-cleansing to support some dogmatic religious or
political belief, always get what they deserve in the end.
I noticed that Israel carried out yet another terrorist strike which
killed yet another Palestinian child yesterday.
The legal definition of genocide was met decades ago by what the
zionazis are doing in Palestine.
Hope you weren't looking forward to the zionist atrocity that is the
state of Israel lasting for a thousand years, or anything....
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| User: "irgun43" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 10:35:32 PM |
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"Arthur Brain" <Arthur_Brain_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sir,
The Latin term for the people is " Rag-headia Stupida"
Yep, we have here a bona-fide racist,
Dear Mr. brainless,
Coming from the people who invented racism, I take it as a compliment.
The fact is that the arabs have always lost more by being obdurate
than by compromising.
We'll enjoy the land for the next 1,000 years. Maybe, by that time,
the UN will stop paying them as refugees of 1948.
irgun43
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| User: "torresD" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? Were Nazi's Democratic? |
07 Feb 2004 08:25:47 PM |
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Zionist have done and are doing to the Palestinian people,
exactly what the Nazi's did to the Jewish people.
Were the Nazi's Democratic?
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| User: "TheMan" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? Were Nazi's Democratic? |
07 Feb 2004 10:40:20 PM |
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"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Zionist have done and are doing to the Palestinian people,
exactly what the Nazi's did to the Jewish people.
Were the Nazi's Democratic?
Are the Zionazi's?
-TheMan-
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? Were Nazi's Democratic? |
08 Feb 2004 01:21:29 AM |
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Zionist have done and are doing to the Palestinian people,
exactly what the Nazi's did to the Jewish people.
Were the Nazi's Democratic?
Are the Zionazi's?
-TheMan-
Yes. It has been argued that the Israeli system of proportional
representation is "democracy gone wild".
Old joke:
What would two Americans do if stranded on a desert isle? Answer:
start a business.
What would two Englishmen do? Answer: form a club.
What would two Israelis do? Answer: form five political parties.
Izzy
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| User: "irgun43" |
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07 Feb 2004 11:48:34 AM |
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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To all who wish Israel ill,
Even if we let the whole world vote, we would never get your
affection.
Just start with the 2.5Million people in your own country you won't allow
vote, and give lameass excuses like they aren't citizens even though
almost
all of them were born there.
Sir,
Your country's school system is deficient in teaching civics.
There's a vast difference between residency and citizenship. Even
some citizens aren't allowed to vote. For example, minors, felons, the
retarded, women in some countries, etc. To expect enemy aliens to be given
the ballot sword to strike Israel is naive at best.
If you have a beef against Israel, be more clever in your
objections
irgun43
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| User: "amigocabal" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 08:07:12 PM |
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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"irgun43" <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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To all who wish Israel ill,
Even if we let the whole world vote, we would never get your
affection.
Just start with the 2.5Million people in your own country you won't
allow
vote, and give lameass excuses like they aren't citizens even though
almost
all of them were born there.
Sir,
Your country's school system is deficient in teaching civics.
There's a vast difference between residency and citizenship.
I SEE; RUSSIANS ARE CITIZENS, AND BORN PALESTINIANS ARE JUST "RESIDENTS"
Even
some citizens aren't allowed to vote. For example, minors, felons, the
retarded, women in some countries, etc. To expect enemy aliens to be given
the ballot sword to strike Israel is naive at best.
HARDLY "ALLIENS" THEY WERE BORN THERE AND YOU WERE NOT!
clever in your
objections
irgun43
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 10:43:20 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:22:08 GMT, "TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com>
wrote:
Just start with the 2.5Million people in your own country
So now Gaza and Nablus are part of Israel.
Interesting.
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| User: "TheMan" |
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08 Feb 2004 12:12:09 PM |
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<gabycoh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:22:08 GMT, "TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com>
wrote:
Just start with the 2.5Million people in your own country
So now Gaza and Nablus are part of Israel.
Interesting.
Well you haven't given the land up, but you don't want the people on that
land to vote... wonder why?
-TheMan-
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| User: "Gary L. Burnore" |
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08 Feb 2004 12:19:39 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 18:12:09 GMT, "TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com>
wrote:
<gabycoh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:22:08 GMT, "TheMan" <noreply@noreply.com>
wrote:
Just start with the 2.5Million people in your own country
So now Gaza and Nablus are part of Israel.
Interesting.
Well you haven't given the land up, but you don't want the people on that
land to vote... wonder why?
Oppression is easier that way?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 05:29:32 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so long
as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law and right to
elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
--
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 09:20:31 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so long
as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law and right
to
elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
The Northern Irish are.
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| User: "John Cartmell" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
07 Feb 2004 06:15:03 PM |
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In article <a6ta20lu4tnm9ikg9e3l8d3ptrlvfggeb9@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so
long as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law and
right to elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
Why should they be?
--
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2004 09:41:36 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:15:03 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <a6ta20lu4tnm9ikg9e3l8d3ptrlvfggeb9@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so
long as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law and
right to elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
Why should they be?
What countries comprise the United Kingdom?
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ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
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| User: "The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 12:35:01 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:41:36 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:15:03 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <a6ta20lu4tnm9ikg9e3l8d3ptrlvfggeb9@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so
long as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law and
right to elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
Why should they be?
What countries comprise the United Kingdom?
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
As far as I know, citizens of the Irish Republic are still allowed to
vote in UK elections. This is in anticipation of the re-annexation of
Ireland.
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| User: " Ian Pace" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 07:50:23 AM |
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"The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" <rennagade@anglican.org> wrote in message
news:4025d73c.9101388@news.tiscali.co.uk...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:41:36 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:15:03 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <a6ta20lu4tnm9ikg9e3l8d3ptrlvfggeb9@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so
long as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law
and
right to elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
Why should they be?
What countries comprise the United Kingdom?
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
As far as I know, citizens of the Irish Republic are still allowed to
vote in UK elections. This is in anticipation of the re-annexation of
Ireland.
Another question concerning Israeli democracy: the settlers on the West Bank
and Gaza have voting rights in Israel, unlike the Palestinian inhabitants.
Does this apply to all settlers, or only those who have other residences in
'Israel proper'? How are the settlers represented in the Knesset - are
there constituency parliamentary members, or are their votes counted towards
some form of proportional representation?
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| User: "The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" |
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09 Feb 2004 12:30:49 AM |
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:50:23 -0000, " Ian Pace" <ian@ianpace.com>
wrote:
"The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" <rennagade@anglican.org> wrote in message
news:4025d73c.9101388@news.tiscali.co.uk...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:41:36 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:15:03 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <a6ta20lu4tnm9ikg9e3l8d3ptrlvfggeb9@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so
long as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law
and
right to elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
Why should they be?
What countries comprise the United Kingdom?
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
As far as I know, citizens of the Irish Republic are still allowed to
vote in UK elections. This is in anticipation of the re-annexation of
Ireland.
Another question concerning Israeli democracy: the settlers on the West Bank
and Gaza have voting rights in Israel, unlike the Palestinian inhabitants.
Does this apply to all settlers, or only those who have other residences in
'Israel proper'? How are the settlers represented in the Knesset - are
there constituency parliamentary members, or are their votes counted towards
some form of proportional representation?
Don't ask me. I don't even recognise the existence of 'Israel'.
Ask a jew.
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| User: " Ian Pace" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 07:46:36 AM |
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"The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" <rennagade@anglican.org> wrote in message
news:4025d73c.9101388@news.tiscali.co.uk...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:41:36 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:15:03 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <a6ta20lu4tnm9ikg9e3l8d3ptrlvfggeb9@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:26:17 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
<john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:
In article <72s820tlamo3debmiol27729uv2qkgp7df@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:53:04 GMT, "amigocabal"
<pinkspider123@earthlink.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Israel was never a democracy, and never will be a democracy, so
long as ALL the people have no right to equality before the law
and
right to elect their government!
No country allows non-citizens to vote.
UK. Irish.
The Irish aren't citizens of the UK?
Why should they be?
What countries comprise the United Kingdom?
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
As far as I know, citizens of the Irish Republic are still allowed to
vote in UK elections. This is in anticipation of the re-annexation of
Ireland.
The Irish Republic is a sovereign state. Citizens there have no right to
vote in UK elections, nor do UK citizens (including those in Northern
Ireland, which is part of the UK) have any right to vote in the Irish
Republic. Both countries are members of the European Union, though, so all
people from either country have a right to take up residence and work (and
at some point vote) in the other. Northern Irish citizens have full voting
rights in all UK elections. Former prime minister John Major was often
reliant upon the votes of the Ulster Unionist parties to get legislation
through parliament, when his majority was very low.
The notion that the UK plans to re-annex the Irish Republic is the most
ridiculous one I have seen here for quite a while.
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| User: "John Cartmell" |
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08 Feb 2004 08:10:50 AM |
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In article <c05ek5$13dvjg$1@ID-209093.news.uni-berlin.de>, Ian Pace
<ian@ianpace.com> wrote:
The Irish Republic is a sovereign state. Citizens there have no right
to vote in UK elections, nor do UK citizens (including those in Northern
Ireland, which is part of the UK) have any right to vote in the Irish
Republic.
Both countries are members of the European Union, though, so
all people from either country have a right to take up residence and
work (and at some point vote) in the other.
The Irish have always had the right of residence in the UK and the right to
vote with no greater delay than that imposed on UK citizens moving home.
Citizens of Northern Ireland can stand as representatives in the Irish
parliament.
Northern Irish citizens have full voting rights in all UK elections.
Former prime minister John Major was often reliant upon the votes of the
Ulster Unionist parties to get legislation through parliament, when his
majority was very low.
As was Heath which is why we had the escalation of the NI problem in the
70s.
The notion that the UK plans to re-annex the Irish Republic is the most
ridiculous one I have seen here for quite a while.
Ever! Whilst N Ireland might conceivably move to Ireland (with justice but
hopefully only when the UUs cease to threaten civil war) there is no-one on
any side who would want to see Ireland become part of the UK. Some of us
would like to see common membership of the EC make the whole problem
irrelevant but that's quite a different matter.
--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527
Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com
Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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08 Feb 2004 08:49:07 AM |
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"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4c7d8bbeffjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
In article <c05ek5$13dvjg$1@ID-209093.news.uni-berlin.de>, Ian
Pace
<ian@ianpace.com> wrote:
The Irish Republic is a sovereign state. Citizens there have no
right
to vote in UK elections, nor do UK citizens (including those in
Northern
Ireland, which is part of the UK) have any right to vote in the
Irish
Republic.
Both countries are members of the European Union, though, so
all people from either country have a right to take up residence
and
work (and at some point vote) in the other.
The Irish have always had the right of residence in the UK and the
right to
vote with no greater delay than that imposed on UK citizens moving
home.
Citizens of Northern Ireland can stand as representatives in the
Irish
parliament.
Northern Irish citizens have full voting rights in all UK
elections.
Former prime minister John Major was often reliant upon the
votes of the
Ulster Unionist parties to get legislation through parliament,
when his
majority was very low.
As was Heath which is why we had the escalation of the NI problem
in the
70s.
The notion that the UK plans to re-annex the Irish Republic is
the most
ridiculous one I have seen here for quite a while.
Ever! Whilst N Ireland might conceivably move to Ireland (with
justice but
hopefully only when the UUs cease to threaten civil war) there is
no-one on
any side who would want to see Ireland become part of the UK.
Huh? Northern Ireland has been part of the UK since the
establishment of the Irish Free State.
Amazing the stuff you see in usenet.
Izzy
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| User: " Ian Pace" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 09:19:18 AM |
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"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
news:40264c5a@news.highway1.com.au...
"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4c7d8bbeffjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
In article <c05ek5$13dvjg$1@ID-209093.news.uni-berlin.de>, Ian
Pace
<ian@ianpace.com> wrote:
The Irish Republic is a sovereign state. Citizens there have no
right
to vote in UK elections, nor do UK citizens (including those in
Northern
Ireland, which is part of the UK) have any right to vote in the
Irish
Republic.
Both countries are members of the European Union, though, so
all people from either country have a right to take up residence
and
work (and at some point vote) in the other.
The Irish have always had the right of residence in the UK and the
right to
vote with no greater delay than that imposed on UK citizens moving
home.
Citizens of Northern Ireland can stand as representatives in the
Irish
parliament.
Northern Irish citizens have full voting rights in all UK
elections.
Former prime minister John Major was often reliant upon the
votes of the
Ulster Unionist parties to get legislation through parliament,
when his
majority was very low.
As was Heath which is why we had the escalation of the NI problem
in the
70s.
The notion that the UK plans to re-annex the Irish Republic is
the most
ridiculous one I have seen here for quite a while.
Ever! Whilst N Ireland might conceivably move to Ireland (with
justice but
hopefully only when the UUs cease to threaten civil war) there is
no-one on
any side who would want to see Ireland become part of the UK.
Huh? Northern Ireland has been part of the UK since the
establishment of the Irish Free State.
Amazing the stuff you see in usenet.
He's obviously referring to the Irish Republic (which is what most people
over here mean when they say simply 'Ireland'). Amazing the lengths some
people will go to on usenet just out of sheer belligerence?
Ian
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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08 Feb 2004 09:42:22 AM |
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" Ian Pace" <ian@ianpace.com> wrote in message
news:c05k20$131vfj$1@ID-209093.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Iskandar Baharuddin" <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
news:40264c5a@news.highway1.com.au...
"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4c7d8bbeffjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
In article <c05ek5$13dvjg$1@ID-209093.news.uni-berlin.de>, Ian
Pace
<ian@ianpace.com> wrote:
The Irish Republic is a sovereign state. Citizens there
have no
right
to vote in UK elections, nor do UK citizens (including those
in
Northern
Ireland, which is part of the UK) have any right to vote in
the
Irish
Republic.
Both countries are members of the European Union, though, so
all people from either country have a right to take up
residence
and
work (and at some point vote) in the other.
The Irish have always had the right of residence in the UK and
the
right to
vote with no greater delay than that imposed on UK citizens
moving
home.
Citizens of Northern Ireland can stand as representatives in
the
Irish
parliament.
Northern Irish citizens have full voting rights in all UK
elections.
Former prime minister John Major was often reliant upon the
votes of the
Ulster Unionist parties to get legislation through
parliament,
when his
majority was very low.
As was Heath which is why we had the escalation of the NI
problem
in the
70s.
The notion that the UK plans to re-annex the Irish Republic
is
the most
ridiculous one I have seen here for quite a while.
Ever! Whilst N Ireland might conceivably move to Ireland (with
justice but
hopefully only when the UUs cease to threaten civil war) there
is
no-one on
any side who would want to see Ireland become part of the UK.
Huh? Northern Ireland has been part of the UK since the
establishment of the Irish Free State.
Amazing the stuff you see in usenet.
He's obviously referring to the Irish Republic (which is what most
people
over here mean when they say simply 'Ireland'). Amazing the
lengths some
people will go to on usenet just out of sheer belligerence?
Ian
My apologies. I misread the paragraph.
Izzy
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| User: "John Cartmell" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 09:52:58 AM |
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In article <40264c5a@news.highway1.com.au>, Iskandar Baharuddin
<brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote:
Whilst N Ireland might conceivably move to Ireland (with justice but
hopefully only when the UUs cease to threaten civil war) there is
no-one on any side who would want to see Ireland become part of the UK.
Huh? Northern Ireland has been part of the UK since the establishment of
the Irish Free State.
I didn't say otherwise.
Amazing the stuff you see in usenet.
Amazing when you don't read it correctly!
--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527
Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com
Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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08 Feb 2004 03:27:24 PM |
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"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4c7d9518f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
In article <40264c5a@news.highway1.com.au>, Iskandar Baharuddin
<brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote:
Whilst N Ireland might conceivably move to Ireland (with
justice but
hopefully only when the UUs cease to threaten civil war) there
is
no-one on any side who would want to see Ireland become part
of the UK.
Huh? Northern Ireland has been part of the UK since the
establishment of
the Irish Free State.
I didn't say otherwise.
Amazing the stuff you see in usenet.
Amazing when you don't read it correctly!
I have already apologised for my msreading. Filtered through the fog
of fatigue, I fear.
Izzy
--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44
(0)8700-519-527
Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com
Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines
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| User: "John Cartmell" |
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| Title: Re: Will Israel remain a democracy? |
08 Feb 2004 06:22:48 PM |
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In article <4026a9bb@news.highway1.com.au>,
Iskandar Baharuddin <brengsek@mcpc.net.au> wrote:
I have already apologised for my msreading. Filtered through the fog
of fatigue, I fear.
That's OK. We all suffer from that! ;-)
--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527
Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com
Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines
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| User: "torresD" |
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| Title: For Jews Only: Racism Inside Israel Phyllis Bennis |
08 Feb 2004 07:18:49 PM |
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