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30 Sep 2005 07:44:05 AM |
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William Bennett: Abort black babies to reduce crime |
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
.... Bennett, education secretary under then-President Ronald Reagan
and director of drug policy during George H.W. Bush's administration
has written a number of books stressing the importance of traditional
values, including the 1993 bestseller "The Book of Virtues."
In 2003, he admitted he was a heavy gambler after news reports that he
had lost millions of dollars in casinos.
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30 Sep 2005 04:43:15 PM |
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"JOE" <JOE@q3w.com> wrote
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders
denounced conservative commentator William
J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black
children would reduce the U.S. crime rate.
Still it was worth it just to see all the supposedly
"pro life" right-wingers defend the kook.
They pretend that their political stance is religious
based, yet they willingly crap on their bible at
every conceivable opportunity...
"God hates Abortion! But in the case of people
we don't like -- black, fags & foreigners -- God
can go ***** himself!"
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30 Sep 2005 10:46:12 PM |
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"JOE" <JOE@q3w.com> wrote in message
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Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
... Bennett, education secretary under then-President Ronald Reagan
and director of drug policy during George H.W. Bush's administration
has written a number of books stressing the importance of traditional
values, including the 1993 bestseller "The Book of Virtues."
In 2003, he admitted he was a heavy gambler after news reports that he
had lost millions of dollars in casinos.
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its the truth.
and if you want to call me a racist go ahead.
but the facts do not lie.
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01 Oct 2005 01:17:14 PM |
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nunia@bizz.org says...
"JOE" <JOE@q3w.com> wrote in message
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Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
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its the truth.
and if you want to call me a racist go ahead.
but the facts do not lie.
Ok, you're a racist. And, "facts" do lie.
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30 Sep 2005 09:35:02 AM |
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JOE wrote:
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..." He was positing
a hypothetical which (as he explained in comments immediately prior)
was discussed in the book "Freakonomics". He was arguing ~against~ the
hypothetical, as is evidenced by his "morally reprehensible" comment.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Sep 2005 11:15:29 AM |
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"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JOE wrote:
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..."
Because it is irrelevant.
He specifically mentioned black babies, thus revealing his racism.
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| User: "Ron Dean" |
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30 Sep 2005 03:22:25 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JOE wrote:
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..."
Because it is irrelevant.
He specifically mentioned black babies, thus revealing his racism.
This might be politically incorrect, nevertheless, black on black crime
is a real world phenomium.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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01 Oct 2005 09:15:56 AM |
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"Ron Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JOE wrote:
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..."
Because it is irrelevant.
He specifically mentioned black babies, thus revealing his racism.
This might be politically incorrect, nevertheless, black on black crime
is a real world phenomium.
But the cause is environmental, not inherent. By talking about aborting
fetuses, unaffected by the environment, Bennett is saying that black
criminality is inborn.
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| User: "nobody" |
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01 Oct 2005 09:42:38 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
But the cause is environmental, not inherent. By talking about aborting
fetuses, unaffected by the environment, Bennett is saying that black
criminality is inborn.
No, he's not saying that. Do you dispute that foetuses are born into
the same environment heir parents are in? Foetuses are of course
unaffected by environment, nor do they committ crimes, AAMOF (so
obviously he's thinking longer term) - but once born, they will surely
be affected by the environment they are born into.
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| Title: Being Republican causes a person to turn to a life of crime? |
01 Oct 2005 09:20:46 AM |
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Bill Bennett's Call for Genocide
By Leo Walsh, politicalaffairs.net
The archconservative opinion rag National Review welcomed hypocritical
gambling addict and anti-public education ideologue William Bennett
back into the public spotlight this past week. Not because Bennett is
leading some sort of new campaign on a far right issue that the wing
nut journal has endorsed, but because of his racist suggestion that to
reduce crime policymakers ought to abort African American babies.
To Bennett's credit he posed genocide only as a hypothetical, but
insisted that its underlying premise is true.
While the White House officially treated Bennett's call for genocide
in the same fashion as they treated right-wing televangelist Pat
Robertson's call to illegally assassinate President Hugo Chávez of
Venezuela, most right-wing loudmouth's courageously remained silent
about Bennett's hot potato. (In a muted press release, the White House
described Bennett's comment as "inappropriate.")
But not the National Review. In an article this past week, that
publication welcomed Bennett's remarks, insisted that they were taken
out of context – if that is possible. It chastized Republican leaders
for not directly defending Bennett. The magazine not only credited
Bennett for being honest about his feelings, but also, it insisted,
for speaking the truth. To sum up its sociologically erroneous and
journalistically inept argument couched in euphemisms and racial code,
National Review believes that Black people are racially pre-disposed
to committing crimes.
Do we have some insight into why Bush moved so slowly on providing
real assistance to the people of New Orleans, costing thousands of
lives?
The right wing just won't give up racial stereotypes aimed at Black
people, no matter how often the Republican Party officially starts a
new chapter on race every four years or so with appeals to African
American voters about a new party.
Here's a more accurate generalization: Republicans are crooks. I mean
look at them: Bill O’Reilly (sexual harassment), Rush Limbaugh
(illegal prescriptions), Oliver North (illegal arms sales), Newt
Gingrich (influence peddling), Bill Frist (insider trading), Tom DeLay
(criminal conspiracy), everyone at DeLay’s TRMPAC, Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH,
influence peddling), Jack Abramoff (don't get me started), Ken Lay
(insider trading and fraud), David Safavian (obstruction of justice),
Bernie Ebbers (fraud and conspiracy), Elliot Abrams (obstruction),
John Poindexter (obstruction), Bob Taft (campaign law violations),
Neil Bush (savings and loan scam), Arnold Schwarzenegger (sexual
harassment), ***** Armey (sexual harassment), Philip Giordano (fraud
and child molestation), Robert Bauman (solicitation of a minor), Steve
Samuelian (solicitation), Tom Noe (just about everything), etc. For an
endless and stomach-turning list check out this blog.
How long of a list do you need to be convinced that there is something
inherent about being a Republican that causes a person to turn to a
life of crime?
National Review went on to castigate the "PR police" for criticizing
Bennett's call to genocide. Apparently, in its view, if you criticize
racism and genocide you are the PR police?
Welcome back Bill. It's like you never went away.
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FACT: Republicans are soft on crimes committed by Republicans.
FACT: Republicans endorse abortions of black children.
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01 Oct 2005 07:27:11 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..."
Because it is irrelevant.
It couldn't be more relevant.
He specifically mentioned black babies, thus revealing his racism.
Grow up. Mindless PCness stunts intellectual maturity. It's not a
taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his argument.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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01 Oct 2005 09:48:48 AM |
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"nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
He specifically mentioned black babies, thus revealing his racism.
Grow up. Mindless PCness stunts intellectual maturity.
Follow your own advice.
It's not a
taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his argument.
Agreed. But he didn't simply mention blacks. He implied that black
criminality is innate. THAT is racism.
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| User: "nobody" |
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01 Oct 2005 03:19:19 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. But he didn't simply mention blacks. He implied that black
criminality is innate. THAT is racism.
You are projecting your own prejudice. He implied no such thing.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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01 Oct 2005 03:51:01 PM |
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In article <cprtj1d0gmkuoo530n2edvtauqa2k216au@4ax.com>, nobody
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. But he didn't simply mention blacks. He implied that black
criminality is innate. THAT is racism.
You are projecting your own prejudice. He implied no such thing.
Of course he did. Far more men commit crimes than women. He didn't
suggest aborting boys. Far more poor children commit crimes than rich
children, he didn't suggest aborting poor children. He suggested
aborting "blacks." (And he was thinking, "Niggers.")
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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01 Oct 2005 11:25:41 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <cprtj1d0gmkuoo530n2edvtauqa2k216au@4ax.com>, nobody
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. But he didn't simply mention blacks. He implied that black
criminality is innate. THAT is racism.
You are projecting your own prejudice. He implied no such thing.
Of course he did. Far more men commit crimes than women. He didn't
suggest aborting boys. Far more poor children commit crimes than rich
children, he didn't suggest aborting poor children. He suggested
aborting "blacks." (And he was thinking, "Niggers.")
Exactly. Bennet's ultraconservatism is no secret, and just under the surface
of every ultraconservative is a racist.
I used to work as a bartender in a country club, and it was a common
occurrence for the ultraconservative club members to make racist statements
when no minorities were in the room.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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03 Oct 2005 10:04:48 AM |
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In article <dhnnfr$nmj$1@news.seed.net.tw>, Peacenik
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <cprtj1d0gmkuoo530n2edvtauqa2k216au@4ax.com>, nobody
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. But he didn't simply mention blacks. He implied that black
criminality is innate. THAT is racism.
You are projecting your own prejudice. He implied no such thing.
Of course he did. Far more men commit crimes than women. He didn't
suggest aborting boys. Far more poor children commit crimes than rich
children, he didn't suggest aborting poor children. He suggested
aborting "blacks." (And he was thinking, "Niggers.")
Exactly. Bennet's ultraconservatism is no secret, and just under the surface
of every ultraconservative is a racist.
I used to work as a bartender in a country club, and it was a common
occurrence for the ultraconservative club members to make racist statements
when no minorities were in the room.
I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't see the racism here.
Thanks.
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| User: "nobody" |
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02 Oct 2005 10:19:45 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. But he didn't simply mention blacks. He implied that black
criminality is innate. THAT is racism.
You are projecting your own prejudice. He implied no such thing.
Of course he did. Far more men commit crimes than women. He didn't
suggest aborting boys.
PC loonies like you would then cry sexism.
Far more poor children commit crimes than rich
children, he didn't suggest aborting poor children.
Read the transcript. That's how it started. He was actually arguing
*against* that very statement and involving blacks was the argument
carried ad absurdum. Precise reason to involve blacks is to raise the
absurdity and immorality of the suggestion that proliferation of
abortion within the poor communities should be pushed in order to
reduce crime. Simpletons like yourself are simply too brainwashed with
PC to recognize the "shock treatment" in an adult argument.
He suggested
aborting "blacks." (And he was thinking, "Niggers.")
Oh, a mindreader too.
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03 Oct 2005 10:04:48 AM |
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In article <p9uvj19k07dnm8671vhel1gd5f0uuf7ffc@4ax.com>, nobody
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. But he didn't simply mention blacks. He implied that black
criminality is innate. THAT is racism.
You are projecting your own prejudice. He implied no such thing.
Of course he did. Far more men commit crimes than women. He didn't
suggest aborting boys.
PC loonies like you would then cry sexism.
Far more poor children commit crimes than rich
children, he didn't suggest aborting poor children.
Read the transcript. That's how it started. He was actually arguing
*against* that very statement and involving blacks was the argument
carried ad absurdum. Precise reason to involve blacks is to raise the
absurdity and immorality of the suggestion that proliferation of
abortion within the poor communities should be pushed in order to
reduce crime. Simpletons like yourself are simply too brainwashed with
PC to recognize the "shock treatment" in an adult argument.
Sure.
He suggested
aborting "blacks." (And he was thinking, "Niggers.")
Oh, a mindreader too.
Makes excuses for these Right Wing assholes all you like.
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08 Oct 2005 06:08:18 PM |
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"nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..."
Because it is irrelevant.
It couldn't be more relevant.
He specifically mentioned black babies, thus revealing his racism.
Grow up. Mindless PCness stunts intellectual maturity. It's not a
taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his argument.
Yes it is. In high school a 17 year old black boy, known for
his foul mouth and cursing wanted to date my twin sister.
We're white.
She refused him, told him she didn't want anything to do
with him. He called her a racist ho, I called him a smut
mouth and I didn't like him calling my sister names.
Somehow that was a racist comment. I got suspended
from school for two weeks.
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01 Oct 2005 02:12:55 PM |
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nobody@nowhere.com says...
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..."
Because it is irrelevant.
It couldn't be more relevant.
He specifically mentioned black babies, thus revealing his racism.
Grow up. Mindless PCness stunts intellectual maturity. It's not a
taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his argument.
The old - "I can't defend my argument, so I'll insult
you" defense.
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| User: "nobody" |
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02 Oct 2005 10:26:59 AM |
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Happy One <happy207@aol.com> wrote:
nobody@nowhere.com says...
It's not a
taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his argument.
The old - "I can't defend my argument, so I'll insult
you" defense.
So you believe it's a taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his
argument?
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| User: "Happy One" |
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02 Oct 2005 02:01:47 PM |
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nobody@nowhere.com says...
Happy One <happy207@aol.com> wrote:
nobody@nowhere.com says...
It's not a
taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his argument.
The old - "I can't defend my argument, so I'll insult
you" defense.
So you believe it's a taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his
argument?
Why no, but I think selective quoting is slimy, viz,
what you said that I responded to actually was:
"Grow up. Mindless PCness stunts intellectual
maturity. It's not a taboo for a white man to mention
blacks in his argument."
Just forgot to include that first sentence, did you?
[Wink, wink]
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| User: "nobody" |
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03 Oct 2005 07:48:48 AM |
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Happy One <happy207@aol.com> wrote:
nobody@nowhere.com says...
Happy One <happy207@aol.com> wrote:
nobody@nowhere.com says...
It's not a
taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his argument.
The old - "I can't defend my argument, so I'll insult
you" defense.
So you believe it's a taboo for a white man to mention blacks in his
argument?
Why no, but I think selective quoting is slimy,
Good :) We agree on one thing. Funny, it needs to happen to you to
realize, eh? Bennett's remark, too, taken out of context, will sound
racist by design. Within the big picture and the point he was trying
to make, not at all.
viz,
what you said that I responded to actually was:
"Grow up. Mindless PCness stunts intellectual
maturity. It's not a taboo for a white man to mention
blacks in his argument."
Just forgot to include that first sentence, did you?
[Wink, wink]
No, it was quite intentional. The secondary reason was to show that
while there was a (deserved) ad hominem in there, there was also other
content which invalidates your "I can't defend my argument, so I'll
insult you" nonsense.
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30 Sep 2005 01:03:01 PM |
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"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JOE wrote:
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..." He was positing
a hypothetical which (as he explained in comments immediately prior)
was discussed in the book "Freakonomics". He was arguing ~against~ the
hypothetical, as is evidenced by his "morally reprehensible" comment.
The book "Freakonomics" did not single out blacks. It spoke only of
economic/class status.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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30 Sep 2005 03:18:11 PM |
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"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128090902.260019.124810@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
JOE wrote:
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..." He was positing
a hypothetical which (as he explained in comments immediately prior)
was discussed in the book "Freakonomics". He was arguing ~against~ the
hypothetical, as is evidenced by his "morally reprehensible" comment.
This it true, I noticed that One national TV *news* program quoted
Bennet without _any_ before or after context.
This is perverse and dishonest.
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| User: "Pavil Natanovich" |
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| Title: Re: William Bennett: Abort black babies to reduce crime |
30 Sep 2005 03:27:01 PM |
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As I understand it, the gist of the dialogue concerned the reduction of
crime rates because of abortion. Bennett was arguing that the
reduction in crime rates was NOT due to repurcussions from Roe vs.
Wade.
Extending the logic here, it seems to be a very simple syllogism forms.
If abortion, in general, does NOT reduce crime, but aborting blacks
DOES reduce crime, then black babies are less desireable than unwanted
embryos.
Isn't that was Mr. Bennett is really implying?
Granted, his caveat that actually aborting black babies would be
immoral puts him outside the group that dons the Iron Cross with pride.
But still, I don't see any back pedaling out of this quagmire.
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| User: "nobody" |
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| Title: Re: William Bennett: Abort black babies to reduce crime |
01 Oct 2005 07:35:31 AM |
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"Pavil Natanovich" <pasha582@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I understand it, the gist of the dialogue concerned the reduction of
crime rates because of abortion. Bennett was arguing that the
reduction in crime rates was NOT due to repurcussions from Roe vs.
Wade.
Extending the logic here, it seems to be a very simple syllogism forms.
If abortion, in general, does NOT reduce crime, but aborting blacks
DOES reduce crime, then black babies are less desireable than unwanted
embryos.
Isn't that was Mr. Bennett is really implying?
No, to think so would be idiotic. You can take extreme liberties with
any syllogism that way and arrive at silly conclusions. Doesn't mean
you agree with that conclusion. Take war for instance. It's terrible
and it's caused by humans. Less humans, less wars and less causalties.
These are all valid observations. So, am I saying we should kill all
humans or that humans are less than scum?
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: William Bennett: Abort black babies to reduce crime |
30 Sep 2005 10:51:16 AM |
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Eraser wrote:
JOE wrote:
Washington Post
September 30, 2005
Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative
commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his
syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the
U.S. crime rate.
The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said
Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that
were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this
country, and your crime rate would go down."
Why did you cut out his next statement, "That would be an impossible,
ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do..." He was positing
a hypothetical which (as he explained in comments immediately prior)
was discussed in the book "Freakonomics". He was arguing ~against~ the
hypothetical, as is evidenced by his "morally reprehensible" comment.
Because even in saying that it would be morally wrong
to abort black children in order to reduce the crime
rate, he is positing that aborting black babies *would*
actually reduce the crime rate. Which is a morally
reprehansible thing to say.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "karl" |
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| Title: Re: William Bennett: Abort black babies to reduce crime |
30 Sep 2005 10:56:40 AM |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:U8d%e.73$c_.1751@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
Because even in saying that it would be morally wrong
to abort black children in order to reduce the crime
rate, he is positing that aborting black babies *would*
actually reduce the crime rate. Which is a morally
reprehansible thing to say.
Which is not the same as saying it is untrue.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: William Bennett: Abort black babies to reduce crime |
30 Sep 2005 11:17:06 AM |
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"karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:huWdne9gaqTJ_aDeRVn-jQ@rogers.com...
"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:U8d%e.73$c_.1751@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
Because even in saying that it would be morally wrong
to abort black children in order to reduce the crime
rate, he is positing that aborting black babies *would*
actually reduce the crime rate. Which is a morally
reprehansible thing to say.
Which is not the same as saying it is untrue.
Aborting white babies would achieve the same effect. Bennet specifically
mentioned BLACK babies, revealing his racism.
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| User: "Ron Dean" |
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| Title: Re: William Bennett: Abort black babies to reduce crime |
03 Oct 2005 10:28:42 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dhjodq$5d3$1@news.seed.net.tw...
"karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:huWdne9gaqTJ_aDeRVn-jQ@rogers.com...
"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:U8d%e.73$c_.1751@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
Because even in saying that it would be morally wrong
to abort black children in order to reduce the crime
rate, he is positing that aborting black babies *would*
actually reduce the crime rate. Which is a morally
reprehansible thing to say.
Which is not the same as saying it is untrue.
Aborting white babies would achieve the same effect. Bennet specifically
mentioned BLACK babies, revealing his racism.
Aborting ALL babies obviously would reduce crime.
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