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User: "Jason Spaceman"
Date: 27 Nov 2006 01:45:25 AM
Object: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: November 27, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Seventy-four years ago, the great inventor Nikola Tesla accused
scientists of practicing metaphysics rather than science, of engaging
in ontological speculation rather than empirical experimentation.
Apparently science is rather hard work, since despite Tesla's very
public accusations in his letter to the New York Times, many so-called
scientists today continue to demonstrate a tendency to assiduously
avoid doing anything that can be legitimately described as science.
But not even Tesla could accuse Daniel Dennett of shirking his
scientific responsibilities, for he is simply a professor of
philosophy despite the scientific trappings that surround his books
and his reputation. Still, it is interesting to note that of the three
New Atheists lauded as champions of Science, only one is an actual
scientist, the other two hailing from a modern discipline now better
known for copious bong usage than anything intellectual.
Now, Dennett is no Harris, which is to say that he is not prone to
making factual errors in nearly every paragraph he writes, but like
Harris, he is an inept logician. Consider the following statements
Dennett made in a 2003 interview with Salon:
Tell us the story from your new book about the ant and the blade of
grass.
Suppose you go out in the meadow and you see this ant climbing up a
blade of grass and if it falls it climbs again. It's devoting a
tremendous amount of energy and persistence to climbing up this blade
of grass. What's in it for the ant? Nothing. It's not looking for a
mate or showing off or looking for food. Its brain has been invaded by
a tiny parasitic worm, a lancet fluke, which has to get into the belly
of a sheep or a cow in order to continue its life cycle. It has
commandeered the brain of this ant and it's driving it up the blade of
grass like an all-terrain vehicle. That's how this tiny lancet fluke
does its evolutionary work.
Is religion, then, like a lancet fluke?
The question is, Does anything like that happen to us? The answer is,
Well, yes. Not with actual brain worms but with ideas. An idea takes
over our brain and gets that person to devote his life to the
furtherance of that idea, even at the cost of their own genetics.
People forgo having kids, risk their lives, devote their whole lives
to the furtherance of an idea, rather than doing what every other
species on the planet does – make more children and grandchildren.
It seems to have escaped the professor's notice that it is not the
religious portion of the population that is demonstrably having
trouble doing what every other species on the planet does, but rather,
the fungus among us, the godless. If there is a metaphorical lancet
fluke to be blamed for anti-evolutionary human behavior, then it is
atheist secularism which most accurately fits the profile now that the
Shakers and Skoptsi are no more. Indeed, the demographic performance
of secular Western societies over the last fifty years suggest that
from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53109
J. Spaceman
.

User: ""

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 10 Dec 2006 02:39:42 AM


The question is, Does anything like that happen to us? The answer is,
Well, yes. Not with actual brain worms but with ideas. An idea takes
over our brain and gets that person to devote his life to the
furtherance of that idea, even at the cost of their own genetics.
People forgo having kids, risk their lives, devote their whole lives
to the furtherance of an idea, rather than doing what every other
species on the planet does - make more children and grandchildren.

The irony. The reality is, atheists and non-religious people are the
LEAST fertile people on the planet. The reason being, they are more
likely to use birth control, abortion, or simply opt out of having
large families.
The Catholic "large family" is so common as to be cliche. And Europe
has a net zero population growth, except for the large Muslim
immigration and Muslim reproduction.
The advent of birth control and abortion, and the idea that sex should
be used for pleasure more than reproduction, has led the atheists and
non-religious into the obvious idea, that reproduction should not be a
major goal of their lives.
Couple that with the Malthusian "population control" myth and you get
the inverted population pyramid of Scandinavia and other European
nations.
In Italy, the baby wards are hauntingly empty. Why have children, when
you could just use the condom/abortion/birth control trifecta, and keep
having sex with no consequences? The European secular natives have
taken this to heart, which is why in a few generations, Europe will be
an Islamic continent.


It seems to have escaped the professor's notice that it is not the
religious portion of the population that is demonstrably having
trouble doing what every other species on the planet does, but rather,
the fungus among us, the godless.

I woudn't call them "fungus." But they are seriously self-deluded, and
are risking hellfire. But lucky for them, God will eventually let them
out of the hot place.

from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.

Let's hope so. And demographics back you up.
.
User: "alextangent"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 10 Dec 2006 06:47:22 AM
wrote:


The question is, Does anything like that happen to us? The answer is,
Well, yes. Not with actual brain worms but with ideas. An idea takes
over our brain and gets that person to devote his life to the
furtherance of that idea, even at the cost of their own genetics.
People forgo having kids, risk their lives, devote their whole lives
to the furtherance of an idea, rather than doing what every other
species on the planet does - make more children and grandchildren.


The irony. The reality is, atheists and non-religious people are the
LEAST fertile people on the planet. The reason being, they are more
likely to use birth control, abortion, or simply opt out of having
large families.

You haven't been to China or the Indian subcontinent, have you?
--
Regards
Alex McDonald
.

User: "Earle Jones"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 10 Dec 2006 06:28:42 PM
In article <1165739982.453861.281870@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
[...]

It seems to have escaped the professor's notice that it is not the
religious portion of the population that is demonstrably having
trouble doing what every other species on the planet does, but rather,
the fungus among us, the godless.


I woudn't call them "fungus." But they are seriously self-deluded, and
are risking hellfire. But lucky for them, God will eventually let them
out of the hot place.

*
I had no word on that. I thought that we would burn in hell
forever. Has your God developed a bit of mercy?
Maybe he's worried about global warming.
earle
*
"The Church angrily denounced the introduction of medicines,
antibiotics, anesthesia, surgery, blood transfusions, birth control,
transplants, in vitro fertilization, and most forms of pain killers.
Supposedly, these scientific tools interfered with nature and were
therefore against God's will. Today, the Church is fighting cloning
technology and genetic engineering. But when cloning laboratories
provide an unlimited supply of transplant tissue for dying children,
and when genetic engineering cures all forms of cancer, Church
leaders will once again forget their initial opposition and hail
these achievements as evidence of God's love for mankind. Today,
science is prevailing, but throughout most of recorded history,
religion strangled scientific inquiry and often tortured and
executed those who advocated the scientific method. "
-- David Mills
.
User: "Richard Clayton"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 11 Dec 2006 06:56:16 PM
Earle Jones wrote:

In article <1165739982.453861.281870@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
bimms@juno.com wrote:

[...]

It seems to have escaped the professor's notice that it is not the
religious portion of the population that is demonstrably having
trouble doing what every other species on the planet does, but rather,
the fungus among us, the godless.

I woudn't call them "fungus." But they are seriously self-deluded, and
are risking hellfire. But lucky for them, God will eventually let them
out of the hot place.


*
I had no word on that. I thought that we would burn in hell
forever. Has your God developed a bit of mercy?

Maybe he's worried about global warming.

Bimms doesn't believe in eternal damnation, which is a point in his favor.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"Remember, always be yourself. Unless you suck." — Joss Whedon
.



User: ""

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 27 Nov 2006 02:25:28 AM
Dear Jason,
Although all of us are entitled to believe; but believe shall not be at
the expense of advancement for human. The theologist did not
contribute....what do they contribute?
Worst of all, all god-believer such as those existed in the former
British Empire, committed atrocities such as in Crusade, kiliing of
Indians in North/South America.... etc
They seemed not to fear god... because they said they acted for
god.....
So, do you mean one can shoot another person on the street on LA and
said he acted on behalf of god and get away with it.......? no....
right ?
So, I just want to proof another point that Christians are just out to
con people.....
Jesus, as the son of their god, died !
But why? Why can't the very god save him ..........?
Any one care to answer................?
I believe sooner or later, these creationist creature will disappear
from our planet simply because no body believe them any more......
Yap
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: November 27, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Seventy-four years ago, the great inventor Nikola Tesla accused
scientists of practicing metaphysics rather than science, of engaging
in ontological speculation rather than empirical experimentation.
Apparently science is rather hard work, since despite Tesla's very
public accusations in his letter to the New York Times, many so-called
scientists today continue to demonstrate a tendency to assiduously
avoid doing anything that can be legitimately described as science.

But not even Tesla could accuse Daniel Dennett of shirking his
scientific responsibilities, for he is simply a professor of
philosophy despite the scientific trappings that surround his books
and his reputation. Still, it is interesting to note that of the three
New Atheists lauded as champions of Science, only one is an actual
scientist, the other two hailing from a modern discipline now better
known for copious bong usage than anything intellectual.

Now, Dennett is no Harris, which is to say that he is not prone to
making factual errors in nearly every paragraph he writes, but like
Harris, he is an inept logician. Consider the following statements
Dennett made in a 2003 interview with Salon:

Tell us the story from your new book about the ant and the blade of
grass.

Suppose you go out in the meadow and you see this ant climbing up a
blade of grass and if it falls it climbs again. It's devoting a
tremendous amount of energy and persistence to climbing up this blade
of grass. What's in it for the ant? Nothing. It's not looking for a
mate or showing off or looking for food. Its brain has been invaded by
a tiny parasitic worm, a lancet fluke, which has to get into the belly
of a sheep or a cow in order to continue its life cycle. It has
commandeered the brain of this ant and it's driving it up the blade of
grass like an all-terrain vehicle. That's how this tiny lancet fluke
does its evolutionary work.

Is religion, then, like a lancet fluke?

The question is, Does anything like that happen to us? The answer is,
Well, yes. Not with actual brain worms but with ideas. An idea takes
over our brain and gets that person to devote his life to the
furtherance of that idea, even at the cost of their own genetics.
People forgo having kids, risk their lives, devote their whole lives
to the furtherance of an idea, rather than doing what every other
species on the planet does - make more children and grandchildren.

It seems to have escaped the professor's notice that it is not the
religious portion of the population that is demonstrably having
trouble doing what every other species on the planet does, but rather,
the fungus among us, the godless. If there is a metaphorical lancet
fluke to be blamed for anti-evolutionary human behavior, then it is
atheist secularism which most accurately fits the profile now that the
Shakers and Skoptsi are no more. Indeed, the demographic performance
of secular Western societies over the last fifty years suggest that
from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53109












J. Spaceman

.
User: "Radix2"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 27 Nov 2006 04:32:50 AM
wrote:

Dear Jason,

Although all of us are entitled to believe; but believe shall not be at
the expense of advancement for human. The theologist did not
contribute....what do they contribute?
<snip>

Just a reminder that Jason only posts what he finds on the internet
tubes... It is unlikely he gives this article much credence at all...
.

User: "skyeyes"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 11 Dec 2006 04:35:31 PM
wrote:

I believe sooner or later, these creationist creature will disappear
from our planet simply because no body believe them any more......

Not as long as there are Christian fundamentalists. They insist upon
literal creation because without it, their recipe for salvation can't
be relied upon, and if there's one thing they're afraid of, it's the
condition of being dead and having to stay that way.
Trust me, I grew up Christian fundamentalist. I heard this given as
the main rationale for Creationism from the time I was knee-high to a
grasshopper.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
.


User: ""

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 27 Nov 2006 02:26:37 AM
Dear Jason,
Although all of us are entitled to believe; but believe shall not be at
the expense of advancement for human. The theologist did not
contribute....what do they contribute?
Worst of all, all god-believer such as those existed in the former
British Empire, committed atrocities such as in Crusade, kiliing of
Indians in North/South America.... etc
They seemed not to fear god... because they said they acted for
god.....
So, do you mean one can shoot another person on the street on LA and
said he acted on behalf of god and get away with it.......? no....
right ?
So, I just want to proof another point that Christians are just out to
con people.....
Jesus, as the son of their god, died !
But why? Why can't the very god save him ..........?
Any one care to answer................?
I believe sooner or later, these creationist creature will disappear
from our planet simply because no body believe them any more......
Yap
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: November 27, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Seventy-four years ago, the great inventor Nikola Tesla accused
scientists of practicing metaphysics rather than science, of engaging
in ontological speculation rather than empirical experimentation.
Apparently science is rather hard work, since despite Tesla's very
public accusations in his letter to the New York Times, many so-called
scientists today continue to demonstrate a tendency to assiduously
avoid doing anything that can be legitimately described as science.

But not even Tesla could accuse Daniel Dennett of shirking his
scientific responsibilities, for he is simply a professor of
philosophy despite the scientific trappings that surround his books
and his reputation. Still, it is interesting to note that of the three
New Atheists lauded as champions of Science, only one is an actual
scientist, the other two hailing from a modern discipline now better
known for copious bong usage than anything intellectual.

Now, Dennett is no Harris, which is to say that he is not prone to
making factual errors in nearly every paragraph he writes, but like
Harris, he is an inept logician. Consider the following statements
Dennett made in a 2003 interview with Salon:

Tell us the story from your new book about the ant and the blade of
grass.

Suppose you go out in the meadow and you see this ant climbing up a
blade of grass and if it falls it climbs again. It's devoting a
tremendous amount of energy and persistence to climbing up this blade
of grass. What's in it for the ant? Nothing. It's not looking for a
mate or showing off or looking for food. Its brain has been invaded by
a tiny parasitic worm, a lancet fluke, which has to get into the belly
of a sheep or a cow in order to continue its life cycle. It has
commandeered the brain of this ant and it's driving it up the blade of
grass like an all-terrain vehicle. That's how this tiny lancet fluke
does its evolutionary work.

Is religion, then, like a lancet fluke?

The question is, Does anything like that happen to us? The answer is,
Well, yes. Not with actual brain worms but with ideas. An idea takes
over our brain and gets that person to devote his life to the
furtherance of that idea, even at the cost of their own genetics.
People forgo having kids, risk their lives, devote their whole lives
to the furtherance of an idea, rather than doing what every other
species on the planet does - make more children and grandchildren.

It seems to have escaped the professor's notice that it is not the
religious portion of the population that is demonstrably having
trouble doing what every other species on the planet does, but rather,
the fungus among us, the godless. If there is a metaphorical lancet
fluke to be blamed for anti-evolutionary human behavior, then it is
atheist secularism which most accurately fits the profile now that the
Shakers and Skoptsi are no more. Indeed, the demographic performance
of secular Western societies over the last fifty years suggest that
from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53109












J. Spaceman

.

User: "Windy"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 11 Dec 2006 03:41:25 PM
Jason Spaceman quoted:

..it is interesting to note that of the three
New Atheists lauded as champions of Science, only one is an actual
scientist...

It is interesting to note that of the many people lauded as champions
of Religion, not one appears to have any actual supernatural powers.
-- w.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 27 Nov 2006 06:30:26 AM
Jason Spaceman schreef:

From the article:

[snip]

... Indeed, the demographic performance
of secular Western societies over the last fifty years suggest that
from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53109

Isn't this the reproductive rate fallacy? "We reproduce better
than you, so we are right."
Regards,
Karel
.
User: "Christopher Heiny"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 10 Dec 2006 01:38:23 AM
wrote:

Jason Spaceman schreef:

From the article:

[snip]

... Indeed, the demographic performance
of secular Western societies over the last fifty years suggest that
from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.


Isn't this the reproductive rate fallacy? "We reproduce better
than you, so we are right."

I kind of like that idea. It shows that a nice tank of _Saccharomyces
cerevisiae_, for example, is "righter" than the entire Republican Party.
--
Christopher Heiny
Professor of Bizarre Theories
University of Ediacara
..
.

User: "Bobby Bryant"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 27 Nov 2006 10:36:58 AM
In article <1164630626.168389.107510@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
textuur@gmail.com writes:

Jason Spaceman schreef:

From the article:

[snip]

... Indeed, the demographic performance
of secular Western societies over the last fifty years suggest that
from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53109


Isn't this the reproductive rate fallacy? "We reproduce better
than you, so we are right."

Nyuk, WND offers argument from evolution.
--
Bobby Bryant
Reno, Nevada
Remove your hat to reply by e-mail.
.


User: "Bill Wayne"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 27 Nov 2006 05:47:04 AM
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: November 27, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Seventy-four years ago, the great inventor Nikola Tesla accused
scientists of practicing metaphysics rather than science, of engaging
in ontological speculation rather than empirical experimentation.
Apparently science is rather hard work, since despite Tesla's very
public accusations in his letter to the New York Times, many so-called
scientists today continue to demonstrate a tendency to assiduously
avoid doing anything that can be legitimately described as science.

But not even Tesla could accuse Daniel Dennett of shirking his
scientific responsibilities, for he is simply a professor of
philosophy despite the scientific trappings that surround his books
and his reputation. Still, it is interesting to note that of the three
New Atheists lauded as champions of Science, only one is an actual
scientist, the other two hailing from a modern discipline now better
known for copious bong usage than anything intellectual.

Now, Dennett is no Harris, which is to say that he is not prone to
making factual errors in nearly every paragraph he writes, but like
Harris, he is an inept logician. Consider the following statements
Dennett made in a 2003 interview with Salon:

Tell us the story from your new book about the ant and the blade of
grass.

Suppose you go out in the meadow and you see this ant climbing up a
blade of grass and if it falls it climbs again. It's devoting a
tremendous amount of energy and persistence to climbing up this blade
of grass. What's in it for the ant? Nothing. It's not looking for a
mate or showing off or looking for food. Its brain has been invaded by
a tiny parasitic worm, a lancet fluke, which has to get into the belly
of a sheep or a cow in order to continue its life cycle. It has
commandeered the brain of this ant and it's driving it up the blade of
grass like an all-terrain vehicle. That's how this tiny lancet fluke
does its evolutionary work.

Is religion, then, like a lancet fluke?

The question is, Does anything like that happen to us? The answer is,
Well, yes. Not with actual brain worms but with ideas. An idea takes
over our brain and gets that person to devote his life to the
furtherance of that idea, even at the cost of their own genetics.
People forgo having kids, risk their lives, devote their whole lives
to the furtherance of an idea, rather than doing what every other
species on the planet does - make more children and grandchildren.

It seems to have escaped the professor's notice that it is not the
religious portion of the population that is demonstrably having
trouble doing what every other species on the planet does, but rather,
the fungus among us, the godless. If there is a metaphorical lancet
fluke to be blamed for anti-evolutionary human behavior, then it is
atheist secularism which most accurately fits the profile now that the
Shakers and Skoptsi are no more. Indeed, the demographic performance
of secular Western societies over the last fifty years suggest that
from a grand historical perspective, modern secularism will be seen as
a fluke indeed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53109

Are all of this person's articles like this? Or, since it's from WND,
should I even ask?

J. Spaceman

Bill
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The clowns of reason, III 27 Nov 2006 10:33:24 AM
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:45:25 -0500, Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: November 27, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Seventy-four years ago, the great inventor Nikola Tesla accused
scientists of practicing metaphysics rather than science, of engaging
in ontological speculation rather than empirical experimentation.
Apparently science is rather hard work, since despite Tesla's very
public accusations in his letter to the New York Times, many so-called
scientists today continue to demonstrate a tendency to assiduously
avoid doing anything that can be legitimately described as science.

<snip>
Gee, that must be why we haven't progressed an inch in 74 years huh?
Oh, wait.
I love articles like this. There's an increasing desperation on the part
of the theist elite. If there was no tide, they would not feel the need to
turn it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
------------------------------------------------------------
There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.
.


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