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"Jason Spaceman" |
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21 May 2005 03:55:13 AM |
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WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
From the article:
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Posted: May 21, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
In the now-famous Scopes trial of 1925, the American Civil Liberties Union
defended the teaching of evolution in public schools. True educational
freedom, Clarence Darrow argued, requires the teaching of both theistic and
naturalistic versions of origin. Any person with a well-rounded education
should know the differing views on something as important as the most basic
question in the universe.
Now, I don't think for a split second the ACLU in 1925 was nearly so well-
intentioned as to simply want academic freedom for all. But the case could
be made that a well-educated person should understand the arguments for and
against the major theories about how we got here. Building on the momentum
started by Scopes, however, the ACLU has fought hard to keep creationism
from being taught in America's public schools. With the aid of the National
Education Association and other liberal groups, it has been stunningly
successful in the censorship of facts and reality. Red-faced and veins
bulging, these radical liberals verbally assault conservatives that seek
the true educational freedom of teaching both Darwinian evolution and
creation.
Since the ACLU and National Education Association have always been
supported by prominent humanists, we should not be shocked by their
contempt for the creationist worldview. Evolution, as outlined in the
Humanist Manifesto I, II and 2000, is a major doctrine of Secular Humanism.
Instead of believing in God as the basis for their religion, humanists
believe in nature or "natural science" – naturalism. The reason is
supposedly to avoid resting an intellectual foundation on what secularists
call "blind faith."
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Read it at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44387
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Jason Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
21 May 2005 08:35:20 PM |
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It's interesting to note he refers to Newton as a "committed Christian
scientist". Newton rejected the idea of the trinity didn't he? Which
would make him a heretic in the eyes of most Christian denominations.
J. Spaceman
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
22 May 2005 07:35:59 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
It's interesting to note he refers to Newton as a "committed Christian
scientist". Newton rejected the idea of the trinity didn't he? Which
would make him a heretic in the eyes of most Christian denominations.
Many of Newton's ideas about god were distinctly unorthodox and
would cause great distress in today's evangelical or fundamentalist
denominations.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
22 May 2005 07:46:52 AM |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 07:35:59 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
It's interesting to note he refers to Newton as a "committed Christian
scientist". Newton rejected the idea of the trinity didn't he? Which
would make him a heretic in the eyes of most Christian denominations.
Many of Newton's ideas about god were distinctly unorthodox and
would cause great distress in today's evangelical or fundamentalist
denominations.
He was also an alchemist.
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| User: "Ian H Spedding" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
21 May 2005 06:33:24 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: May 21, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
In the now-famous Scopes trial of 1925, the American Civil Liberties
Union
defended the teaching of evolution in public schools. True
educational
freedom, Clarence Darrow argued, requires the teaching of both
theistic and
naturalistic versions of origin. Any person with a well-rounded
education
should know the differing views on something as important as the most
basic
question in the universe.
[...]
I haven't heard of this character before. Is he well-known or a new
member of the snake-oil sales team?
Ian
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Ian H Spedding
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
21 May 2005 07:02:14 AM |
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On 21 May 2005 04:33:24 -0700, "Ian H Spedding"
<ian.spedding@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: May 21, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
In the now-famous Scopes trial of 1925, the American Civil Liberties
Union defended the teaching of evolution in public schools. True
educational freedom, Clarence Darrow argued, requires the teaching
of both theistic and naturalistic versions of origin. Any person with
a well-rounded education should know the differing views on something
as important as the most basic
question in the universe.
[...]
I haven't heard of this character before. Is he well-known or a new
member of the snake-oil sales team?
Darrow never said that. Some fundy leaflet added come comments and
other fundies took the comments to be what Darrow said.
He was the defending attorney for the teacher prosectuted for teaching
about evolution.
At a time when Genesis was taught as fact, he was demanding that
evolution also be taught. Dishonest fundies pretend he was demanding
that creationism also be taught.
Ian
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| User: "Ian H Spedding" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
22 May 2005 04:22:00 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 21 May 2005 04:33:24 -0700, "Ian H Spedding"
<ian.spedding@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: May 21, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
In the now-famous Scopes trial of 1925, the American Civil
Liberties
Union defended the teaching of evolution in public schools. True
educational freedom, Clarence Darrow argued, requires the teaching
of both theistic and naturalistic versions of origin. Any person
with
a well-rounded education should know the differing views on
something
as important as the most basic
question in the universe.
[...]
I haven't heard of this character before. Is he well-known or a new
member of the snake-oil sales team?
Darrow never said that. Some fundy leaflet added come comments and
other fundies took the comments to be what Darrow said.
He was the defending attorney for the teacher prosectuted for
teaching
about evolution.
At a time when Genesis was taught as fact, he was demanding that
evolution also be taught. Dishonest fundies pretend he was demanding
that creationism also be taught.
I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was asking about Brannon
Howse not Clarence Darrow. I know who Darrow was.
Ian
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Ian H Spedding
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| User: "Steven J." |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
22 May 2005 06:30:08 PM |
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"Ian H Spedding" <ian.spedding@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1116753720.832584.205650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
-- [snip]
I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was asking about Brannon
Howse not Clarence Darrow. I know who Darrow was.
His own answer to that question is at:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/brannon_howse.shtml
It may be worth noting that, when googling Brannon Howse, I didn't find the
first anti-Howse link until the bottom of the third Google page (and Howse
was only one of the people criticized, and not prominently). That may
indicate that this is a person above all reproach, a moral exemplar and
giant of the faith beloved and esteemed by all, or that he is not, in fact,
a major player prominent enough for professional baiters and opponents of
the Christian Right to notice.
Ian
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Ian H Spedding
-- Steven J.
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| User: "Andrew Louden" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
21 May 2005 10:38:48 PM |
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:02:14 -0400, "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 21 May 2005 04:33:24 -0700, "Ian H Spedding"
<ian.spedding@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: May 21, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
In the now-famous Scopes trial of 1925, the American Civil Liberties
Union defended the teaching of evolution in public schools. True
educational freedom, Clarence Darrow argued, requires the teaching
of both theistic and naturalistic versions of origin. Any person with
a well-rounded education should know the differing views on something
as important as the most basic
question in the universe.
[...]
I haven't heard of this character before. Is he well-known or a new
member of the snake-oil sales team?
Darrow never said that. Some fundy leaflet added come comments and
other fundies took the comments to be what Darrow said.
He was the defending attorney for the teacher prosectuted for teaching
about evolution.
At a time when Genesis was taught as fact, he was demanding that
evolution also be taught. Dishonest fundies pretend he was demanding
that creationism also be taught.
Ian
You would think these fundies could sit through an hour and a half
movie called "Inherent the wind" to understand what the Scopes Monkey
trial was all about.
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"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." -- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily columnist: The humanist's blind science |
21 May 2005 06:02:01 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: May 21, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
In the now-famous Scopes trial of 1925, the American Civil Liberties Union
defended the teaching of evolution in public schools. True educational
freedom, Clarence Darrow argued, requires the teaching of both theistic and
naturalistic versions of origin. Any person with a well-rounded education
should know the differing views on something as important as the most basic
question in the universe.
That would make perfect sense if our schools were not tax payer funded.
The problem is that Fundies cannot just teach -about- their religion (no
harm in learning the mind of the Enemy) but they are driven to -preach-
their religion. The Great Commission and all that. Christianity in its
raw toxic form is as obnixious as Islam.
Bob Kolker
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