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"Jason Spaceman" |
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08 Jan 2006 12:44:52 AM |
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WingNutDaily upset with Dawkins |
From the article:
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Dawkins: Religion equals 'child abuse'
Scientist compares Moses to Hitler, calls New Testament
'sado-masochistic doctrine'
Posted: January 8, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Controversial scientist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins, dubbed
"Darwin's Rottweiler," calls religion a "virus" and faith-based
education "child abuse" in a two-part series he wrote and appears in
that begins airing on the UK's Channel 4, beginning tomorrow evening.
Entitled "Root of All Evil?," the series features the atheist Dawkins
visiting Lourdes, France, Colorado Springs, Colo., the al-Aqsa mosque
in Jerusalem and a British religious school, using each of the venues
to argue religion subverts reason.
In "The God Delusion," the first film in the series, Dawkins targets
Catholicism at the pilgrimage site in Lourdes. "If you want to
experience the medieval rituals of faith, the candle light, the
incense, music, important-sounding dead languages, nobody does it
better than the Catholics," he says.
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Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48252
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily upset with Dawkins |
08 Jan 2006 12:55:54 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:44:52 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
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From the article:
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Dawkins: Religion equals 'child abuse'
Scientist compares Moses to Hitler, calls New Testament
'sado-masochistic doctrine'
Posted: January 8, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Controversial scientist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins, dubbed
"Darwin's Rottweiler," calls religion a "virus" and faith-based
education "child abuse" in a two-part series he wrote and appears in
that begins airing on the UK's Channel 4, beginning tomorrow evening.
Entitled "Root of All Evil?," the series features the atheist Dawkins
visiting Lourdes, France, Colorado Springs, Colo., the al-Aqsa mosque
in Jerusalem and a British religious school, using each of the venues
to argue religion subverts reason.
In "The God Delusion," the first film in the series, Dawkins targets
Catholicism at the pilgrimage site in Lourdes. "If you want to
experience the medieval rituals of faith, the candle light, the
incense, music, important-sounding dead languages, nobody does it
better than the Catholics," he says.
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Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48252
J. Spaceman
If Dawkins can be criticised at all,
it is for holding back in his condemnation of these genocidal cults.
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| User: "John Latter" |
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08 Jan 2006 01:54:40 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:25:54 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:44:52 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
- Refer: <3vc1s19bn2bpeki91peqovuo651e2f6q9l@4ax.com>
From the article:
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Dawkins: Religion equals 'child abuse'
Scientist compares Moses to Hitler, calls New Testament
'sado-masochistic doctrine'
Posted: January 8, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Controversial scientist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins, dubbed
"Darwin's Rottweiler," calls religion a "virus" and faith-based
education "child abuse" in a two-part series he wrote and appears in
that begins airing on the UK's Channel 4, beginning tomorrow evening.
Entitled "Root of All Evil?," the series features the atheist Dawkins
visiting Lourdes, France, Colorado Springs, Colo., the al-Aqsa mosque
in Jerusalem and a British religious school, using each of the venues
to argue religion subverts reason.
In "The God Delusion," the first film in the series, Dawkins targets
Catholicism at the pilgrimage site in Lourdes. "If you want to
experience the medieval rituals of faith, the candle light, the
incense, music, important-sounding dead languages, nobody does it
better than the Catholics," he says.
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Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48252
J. Spaceman
If Dawkins can be criticised at all,
it is for holding back in his condemnation of these genocidal cults.
I'll go along with that!
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
--
John Latter
Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
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| User: "Paulo Joe Jingy" |
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08 Jan 2006 02:06:40 AM |
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John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD...IT WAS EASY." |
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09 Jan 2006 10:29:22 AM |
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"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
fucking liar-christianity is the mother of all attrocitys-read this link and
weep fundy *****.-
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
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| User: "kathryn" |
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08 Jan 2006 05:56:02 AM |
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"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Jan 2006 06:56:44 AM |
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:56:02 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
The loonies don't understand that you have to look at what somebody
_is_, not what they aren't, and what motivates them not what doesn't,
to see why somebody does something.
In spite of what they pretend, atheism no more motivates anybody than
not believing in Santa Claus does. It's a non-event. Although atheists
react to theists (in the US mostly Christians) who can't live and let
live.
And in spite of what Christians pretend, it was Christians who
persecuted Jews as Christ-killers for almost 2000 years, with the
encouragement of their own church fathers to an extent that it became
enshrined in the culture. The holocaust was merely the culmination of
what Chrysostom, Martin Luther and others ordered.
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| User: "NashtOn" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily upset with Dawkins |
08 Jan 2006 07:16:16 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:56:02 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
The loonies don't understand that you have to look at what somebody
_is_, not what they aren't, and what motivates them not what doesn't,
to see why somebody does something.
In spite of what they pretend, atheism no more motivates anybody than
not believing in Santa Claus does. It's a non-event. Although atheists
react to theists (in the US mostly Christians) who can't live and let
live.
And in spite of what Christians pretend, it was Christians who
persecuted Jews as Christ-killers for almost 2000 years, with the
encouragement of their own church fathers to an extent that it became
enshrined in the culture. The holocaust was merely the culmination of
what Chrysostom, Martin Luther and others ordered.
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Nicola
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: WingNutDaily upset with Dawkins |
09 Jan 2006 04:26:22 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
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Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Atheism is the lack of an attribute.
Atheism is a religion, as much as not playing the bassoon is a
religion.
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| User: "Zachriel" |
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09 Jan 2006 06:32:46 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
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Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Atheism is the lack of an attribute.
Atheism is a religion, as much as not playing the bassoon is a
religion.
Atheism has more than one definition:
atheism, 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that
there is no deity
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/atheism
There are those who have no beliefs concerning gods. But there are those who
are anti-religious. And there are those who make the strong claim that God
does not exist.
--
Zachriel, angel that rules over memory, presides over the planet Jupiter.
http://zachriel.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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09 Jan 2006 06:39:38 PM |
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:32:46 -0500, "Zachriel"
<angelmailNOSPAM@zachriel.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:fge4s1lh98kolafku0jf8id31q879piv60@4ax.com...
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
- Refer: <Ag8wf.151628$Ph4.4631854@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
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Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Atheism is the lack of an attribute.
Atheism is a religion, as much as not playing the bassoon is a
religion.
Atheism has more than one definition:
atheism, 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that
there is no deity
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/atheism
Once again, the dispute is that theists insist it is the latter when
we're actually described by the former.
There are those who have no beliefs concerning gods. But there are those who
are anti-religious. And there are those who make the strong claim that God
does not exist.
Which is no different than the "Strong claim" that there ain't no
Santa Claus.
Is this really so hard to understand?
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| User: "Zachriel" |
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10 Jan 2006 06:24:32 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:32:46 -0500, "Zachriel"
<angelmailNOSPAM@zachriel.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:fge4s1lh98kolafku0jf8id31q879piv60@4ax.com...
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
- Refer: <Ag8wf.151628$Ph4.4631854@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
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Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Atheism is the lack of an attribute.
Atheism is a religion, as much as not playing the bassoon is a
religion.
Atheism has more than one definition:
atheism, 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that
there is no deity
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/atheism
Once again, the dispute is that theists insist it is the latter when
we're actually described by the former.
I made no such insistence. In fact, I made the contrary point that
there were two definitions being used by two different groups leading
to significant confusion. Yet, you still called me a "liar", even
though those contrasting definitions are found in most dictionaries.
There are those who have no beliefs concerning gods. But there are those
who
are anti-religious. And there are those who make the strong claim that God
does not exist.
Which is no different than the "Strong claim" that there ain't no
Santa Claus.
There are those that believe in Santa Claus. There are those who claim
that Santa Claus does not exist. And there are those who have no belief
one way or the other about Santa Claus. They are *not* the same.
Zachriel
http://zachriel.blogspot.com/
Is this really so hard to understand?
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08 Jan 2006 07:59:17 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
N
uh, not it's not. you can't tell what someone DOES believe by what
they DON'T believe
pat tillman, the pro football player who gave up his career to join
the army and was killed in afghanistan, was an atheist.
was he evil?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Jan 2006 07:33:01 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:56:02 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
The loonies don't understand that you have to look at what somebody
_is_, not what they aren't, and what motivates them not what doesn't,
to see why somebody does something.
In spite of what they pretend, atheism no more motivates anybody than
not believing in Santa Claus does. It's a non-event. Although atheists
react to theists (in the US mostly Christians) who can't live and let
live.
And in spite of what Christians pretend, it was Christians who
persecuted Jews as Christ-killers for almost 2000 years, with the
encouragement of their own church fathers to an extent that it became
enshrined in the culture. The holocaust was merely the culmination of
what Chrysostom, Martin Luther and others ordered.
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Only in the deluded imagination of Christian bigots.
Hint: look up Cuba, where the communists are Catholic.
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Is not-collecting stamps or not-watching-baseball a religion on your
planet, liar?
Don't be so fucking stupid. And stop lying. It's no more a belief than
not believing in Santa Claus is.
Why do sop many of you morons lie about atheists and atheism to
atheists?
Nicola
Who needs to get an education instead of regurgitating her religion's
slanders about atheists at the same time se is in denial about her
religion's bloody past.
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| User: "NashtOn" |
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08 Jan 2006 07:52:57 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:56:02 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
The loonies don't understand that you have to look at what somebody
_is_, not what they aren't, and what motivates them not what doesn't,
to see why somebody does something.
In spite of what they pretend, atheism no more motivates anybody than
not believing in Santa Claus does. It's a non-event. Although atheists
react to theists (in the US mostly Christians) who can't live and let
live.
And in spite of what Christians pretend, it was Christians who
persecuted Jews as Christ-killers for almost 2000 years, with the
encouragement of their own church fathers to an extent that it became
enshrined in the culture. The holocaust was merely the culmination of
what Chrysostom, Martin Luther and others ordered.
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Only in the deluded imagination of Christian bigots.
Hint: look up Cuba, where the communists are Catholic.
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Is not-collecting stamps or not-watching-baseball a religion on your
planet, liar?
Don't be so fucking stupid. And stop lying. It's no more a belief than
not believing in Santa Claus is.
Why do sop many of you morons lie about atheists and atheism to
atheists?
Nicola
Who needs to get an education instead of regurgitating her religion's
slanders about atheists at the same time se is in denial about her
religion's bloody past.
Spin it as much as you like, atheism is dogmatic and it produces
ignorant anti-Christian bigots such as yourself.
Just stick to believing your lies, no skin off my back.
Nicola
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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09 Jan 2006 04:28:55 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:52:57 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
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Spin it as much as you like, atheism is dogmatic and it produces
ignorant anti-Christian bigots such as yourself.
Just stick to believing your lies, no skin off my back.
Oh, the delicious irony of those sentences!
It just about sums up the level of your intellectual inflexibility
perfectly.
What was that about IQ's of less than 50?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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10 Jan 2006 03:33:00 AM |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:58:55 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:52:57 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
- Refer: <ZO8wf.151638$Ph4.4631308@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
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Spin it as much as you like, atheism is dogmatic and it produces
ignorant anti-Christian bigots such as yourself.
Just stick to believing your lies, no skin off my back.
Oh, the delicious irony of those sentences!
It just about sums up the level of your intellectual inflexibility
perfectly.
What was that about IQ's of less than 50?
Nicky has refined projection to the level of art. <G>
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| User: "Kate " |
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08 Jan 2006 11:06:01 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:52:57 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:56:02 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
The loonies don't understand that you have to look at what somebody
_is_, not what they aren't, and what motivates them not what doesn't,
to see why somebody does something.
In spite of what they pretend, atheism no more motivates anybody than
not believing in Santa Claus does. It's a non-event. Although atheists
react to theists (in the US mostly Christians) who can't live and let
live.
And in spite of what Christians pretend, it was Christians who
persecuted Jews as Christ-killers for almost 2000 years, with the
encouragement of their own church fathers to an extent that it became
enshrined in the culture. The holocaust was merely the culmination of
what Chrysostom, Martin Luther and others ordered.
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Only in the deluded imagination of Christian bigots.
Hint: look up Cuba, where the communists are Catholic.
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Is not-collecting stamps or not-watching-baseball a religion on your
planet, liar?
Don't be so fucking stupid. And stop lying. It's no more a belief than
not believing in Santa Claus is.
Why do sop many of you morons lie about atheists and atheism to
atheists?
Nicola
Who needs to get an education instead of regurgitating her religion's
slanders about atheists at the same time se is in denial about her
religion's bloody past.
Spin it as much as you like, atheism is dogmatic and it produces
ignorant anti-Christian bigots such as yourself.
Just stick to believing your lies, no skin off my back.
Nicola
Ah, obviously you totally lost that argument.
LOL
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Jan 2006 08:17:56 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:52:57 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:56:02 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
The loonies don't understand that you have to look at what somebody
_is_, not what they aren't, and what motivates them not what doesn't,
to see why somebody does something.
In spite of what they pretend, atheism no more motivates anybody than
not believing in Santa Claus does. It's a non-event. Although atheists
react to theists (in the US mostly Christians) who can't live and let
live.
And in spite of what Christians pretend, it was Christians who
persecuted Jews as Christ-killers for almost 2000 years, with the
encouragement of their own church fathers to an extent that it became
enshrined in the culture. The holocaust was merely the culmination of
what Chrysostom, Martin Luther and others ordered.
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Only in the deluded imagination of Christian bigots.
Hint: look up Cuba, where the communists are Catholic.
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Is not-collecting stamps or not-watching-baseball a religion on your
planet, liar?
Don't be so fucking stupid. And stop lying. It's no more a belief than
not believing in Santa Claus is.
Why do sop many of you morons lie about atheists and atheism to
atheists?
Nicola
Who needs to get an education instead of regurgitating her religion's
slanders about atheists at the same time se is in denial about her
religion's bloody past.
Spin it as much as you like, atheism is dogmatic and it produces
ignorant anti-Christian bigots such as yourself.
I'm spinning nothing, bigoted lying Christian. Nor am I an "ignorant
anti-Christian bigot", but then you're a congenital liar so this is
only to be expected of you.
The Lady In My Life is a Catholic. Therefore a Christian. Many of her
circle have become close friends. I have other friends and colleagues
who are also different kinds of Christian.
But none of them are the kind of bigoted liar who lies about atheists
to our faces like you do.
What I am, is anti- Christians who can't live and let live, and who
lie about those outside their religion (and even denomination).
The only bigotry here has been yours: who imagines that he/she gets to
tell atheists what our POV "really" is and tells us we're lying when
we correct him/her.
You are just plain disgusting. But it goes with the territory: you've
shown us that you're a fundy and a creationist.
You need to realise that in the real world outside your religion there
are hundreds of different religions each with their own deity-BELIEFs.
And that yours is only special to you and other Christians. To
everybody else it is merely your religious belief that would have no
relevance to us if you kept it and your vicious slanders to yourself.
Keep reading that until it sinks in.
Just stick to believing your lies, no skin off my back.
Beam, mote, eye, hypocrite.
What "lies", liar?
Just stick to believing your own lies, dishonest, bigoted, stupid,
lying Christian.
Why do so many of you hypocrites break your own commandment about not
bearing false witness?
Nicola
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn wrote:
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Nicola
What would you have to say in your posts if the cat pissed on your flash
cards?
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I was brought up tpo believe that recieved wisdom is evil,
so do as you're told and stop being vicarious.
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:38:08 +0000, "Sanity's little helper"
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT, NashtOn wrote:
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Earth to atheist apologist: Atheism *is* as much a system of beliefs as
Christianity, it is not a religious void, it *is* a religion.
Nicola
What would you have to say in your posts if the cat pissed on your flash
cards?
Fresh juice!
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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What's so funny about peace, love and NashtOn <nana@na.ca> posting the
following on Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:16:16 GMT iin alt.atheism?
Hello? Wasn't atheism one of the rudiments of communism?
Nope. Breaking the power of organized churches over the people was
one of the important facets of world revolution. Neither Das Kapital
or the Communist Manifesto ever states that atheism is required.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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08 Jan 2006 06:38:58 AM |
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kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
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John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
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08 Jan 2006 07:47:49 AM |
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"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
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kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
Ah so now you're saying that they were killing them because they weren't
atheists.....did you skip your history classes or something?
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08 Jan 2006 07:55:52 AM |
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kathryn wrote:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:CJ7wf.151618$Ph4.4631464@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
Ah so now you're saying that they were killing them because they weren't
atheists.....did you skip your history classes or something?
Is a prerequisite to subscribe to alt.atheism an IQ of <50? Certainly
seems like it.
Nicola
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08 Jan 2006 10:39:04 AM |
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"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
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kathryn wrote:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:CJ7wf.151618$Ph4.4631464@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
Ah so now you're saying that they were killing them because they weren't
atheists.....did you skip your history classes or something?
Is a prerequisite to subscribe to alt.atheism an IQ of <50? Certainly
seems like it.
Nicola
Says the chick who believes Stalin was killing people for not being atheists
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08 Jan 2006 08:32:43 PM |
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NashtOn wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:CJ7wf.151618$Ph4.4631464@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
Ah so now you're saying that they were killing them because they weren't
atheists.....did you skip your history classes or something?
Is a prerequisite to subscribe to alt.atheism an IQ of <50? Certainly
seems like it.
Paraphrased and summarized from The Effect of Intelligence on Religious
Faith, Burnham P. Beckwith, _Free Inquiry_, Spring 1986:
1. Thomas Howells, 1927
Study of 461 students showed religiously conversative students "are, in
general, relatively inferior in intellectual ability."
2. Hilding Carlsojn, 1933
Study of 215 students showed that "there is a tendency for the more
intelligent undergraduate to be sympathetic toward ... atheism."
3. Abraham Franzblau, 1934
Confirming Howells and Carlson, tested 354 Jewish children, 10-16.
Negative correlation between religiosity and Terman intelligence test.
4. Thomas Symington, 1935
Tested 400 young people in colleges and church groups. He reported,
"there is a constant positive relation in all the groups between
liberal religious thinking and mental ability...There is also a
constant positive relation between liberal scores and intelligence..."
5. Vernon Jones, 1938
Tested 381 stydents, concluding "a slight tendency for intelligence and
liberal attitudes to go together."
6. A. R. Gilliland, 1940
At variance with all other studies, found "little or no relationship
between intelligence and attitude toward god."
7. Donald Gragg, 1942
Reported an inverse correlation between 100 ACE freshman test scores
and Thurstone "reality of god" scores.
8. Brown and Love, 1951
At U. of Denver, tested 613 male and female students. Mean test scores
of non-believers = 119, believers = 100. Percentile NBs = 80, BBs =
50. Their findings "strongly corroborate those of Howells."
9. Michael Argyle, 1958
Concluded that "although intelligent children grasp religious concepts
earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and
intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs."
10. Jeffrey Hadden, 1963
Found no correlation between intelligence and grades. This was an
anomalous finding, since GPA corresponds closely with intelligence.
Other factors may have influenced the results at the U. of Wisconsin.
11. Young, Dustin and Holtzman, 1966
Average religiosity decreased as GPA rose.
12. James Trent, 1967
Polled 1400 college seniors. Found little difference, but high-ability
students in his sample group were over-represented.
13. C. Plant and E. Minium, 1967
The more intelligent students were less religious, both before entering
college and after 2 years of college.
14. Robert Wuthnow, 1978
Of 532 students, 37% of christians, 58% of apostates, and 53 percent of
non-religious scored above average on SATs.
15. Hastings and Hoge, 1967, 1974
Polled 200 college students and found no significant correlations.
16. Norman Poythress, 1975
Mean SATs for strongly antireligious (1148), moderately anti-religious
(1119), slightly antireligious (1108), and religious (1022).
17. Wiebe and Fleck, 1980
Studied 158 male and female Canadian university students. The reported
"nonreligious S's tended to be strongly intelligent" and "more
intelligent than religious S's.
Student Body Comparisons-
1. Rose Goldsen, Student belief in a divine god, percentages 1952.
Harvard 30; UCLA 32; Dartmouth 35; Yale 36; Cornell 42; Wayne 43;
Weslyan 43; Michigan 45; Fisk 60; Texas 62; N. Carolina 68.
2. National Review Study, 1970 Students Belief in Spirit or Divine
God.
Percentages:
Reed 15; Brandeis 25; Sarah Lawrence 28; Williams 36; Stanford 41;
Boston U. 41; Yale 42; Howard 47; Indiana 57; Davidson 59; S. Carolina
65; Marquette 77.
3. Caplovitz and Sherrow, 1977
Apostasy rates rose continuously from 5% in "low" ranked schools to 17%
in "high" ranked schools.
Niemi, Ross, and Alexander, 1978
In elite schools, organized religion was judged important by only 26%,
compared with 44% of all students.
Studies of Very-High-IQ groups.
1. Terman, 1959
Studied group with IQ > 140. Of men, 10% held strong religious belief,
of women 18%. 62% of men and 57% if women claimed "little religious
inclination" while 28% men and 23% of women claimed it was "not at all
important."
2. Warren and Heist, 1960
Found no differences among National Merit Scholars. Results may have
been effected by the fact that NM scholars are not selected on the
basis of intelligence or grades alone, but also on "leadership" and
such like.
3. Southern and Plant, 1968
42 male and 30 female members of Mensa. Mensa members were much less
religious in belief than the typical American college alumnis or adult.
1. William S. Ament, 1927
C. C. Little, president U. of Michigan, checked persons listed in
_Who's Who in America_: "Unitarians, Episcopalians, Congregationalists,
Universalists, and Presbyterians are ... far more numerous in _Who's
Who_ than would be expercted on the basis of the population which they
form. Baptists, Methodists, and Catholics are distinctly less
numberous." Ament confirmed Little's conclusion. He noted that
Unitarians, the least religious, were more than 40 times as numerous in
_W'sW_ as in the U.S. population.
2. Lehman and Witty, 1931
Identified 1189 scientists found in both _Who's Who_ (1927) and
_American Men of Science_ (1927). Only 25% in _AM of S_ and 50% of
those listed in _W'sW_ reported their religious denomination despite
the specific requests to do so, "religious denomination (if any)." Well
over 90% of the general population claims religious affiliation. The
figure of 25% suggest far less religiosity among scientists.
Unitarians were 81.4 times as numerous among eminent scientists as
non-Unitarians.
3. Kelley and Fisk, 1951
Found a negative (-.39) correlation between the strength of religious
values and research competence. [How these were measured I have no
idea.]
4. Ann Roe, 1953
Interviewed 64 "eminent scientists, nearly all members of the
prestigious National Academy of Sciences or the American Philosophical
Society. She reported that, while nearly all of them had religious
parents and had attended Sunday school, 'now only three of these men
are seriously active in church. A few others attend upon occasion, or
even give some financial support to a church which they do not
attend... All the otheres have long since dismissed religion as any
guide to them, and the church plays no part in their lives...A few are
militantly atheistic, but most are just not interested.'"
5. Francis Bello, 1954
Questionaired or interviewed 107 young (<= 40) nonindustrial scientists
judged by senior colleagues to be outstanding. 87 responded. 45%
claimed to be "agnostic or atheistic" and an additional 22% claimed no
religious affiliation. For 20 most eminent, "the proportion who are
now a-religious is considerably higher than in the entire survey
group."
6. Jack Chambers, 1964
Questionaired 740 US psychologists and chemists. He reported, "the
highly creative men [jft- assume no women included] ... significantly
more often show either no preference for a particular religion or
little or no interest in religion." Found that the most eminent
psychologists showed 40% no preference, 16% for the most eminent
chemists.
7. Vaughan, Smith, and Sjoberg, 1965
Polled 850 US physicists, zoologists, chemical engineers, and
geologists listed in _American Men of Science_ (1955) on church
membership, and attendance patterns, and belief in afterlife. 642
replies.
38.5% did not believe in afterlife, 31.8% did. Belief in immortality
was less common among major university staff than among those employed
by business, government, or minor universities. The contemporaneous
Gallup poll showed 2/3 of US population believed in afterlife, so
scientists were far less religious than typical adult.
From Beckwith's concluding remarks:
Conclusions
In this essay I ahve reviewed: (1)sixteen studies of the correlation
between individual measures of student intelligence and religiosity,
all but three of which reported an inverse correlation. (2) five
studies reporting that student bodies with high average IQ and/or SAT
scores are much less religious than inferior student bodies;(3)three
studies reporting that geniuses (IQ 150+) are much less religious than
the general public (Average IQ, 100), and one dubious study,(4)seven
studies reporting that highly successful persons are much less
religious in belief than are others; and (5) eight old and four new
Gallup polls revealing that college alumni (average IQ about 115) are
much less religious in belief than are grade-school pollees.
I have also noted that many studies have shown that students become
less religious as they proceed through college, probably in part
because average IQ rises.
All but four of the forty-three polls I have reviewed support the
conclusion that native intelligence varies inversely with degree of
religious faith; i.e., that, other factors being equal, the more
intelligent a person is, the less religious he is. It is easy to find
fault with the studies I have reviewed, for all were imperfect. But
the fact that all but four of them supported the general conclusion
provides overwhelming evidence that, among American students and
adults, the amount of religious faith tends to vary inversely and
appreciably with intelligence.
According to a paper published in the July 23, 1998 issue of Nature
magazine (Larson, E. J., Witham, L., "Leading Scientists Still Reject
God", Nature, 1998; vol. 394, p. 313), only 7% of the scientists polled
claimed to believe in a personal God. That is, approximately 93% of the
scientists polled were either atheists of agnostics.
See:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sci_relig.htm
Famous Dead Nontheists
http://www.visi.com/~markg/atheists.html
Celebrity Atheist List
http://www.celebatheists.com/
Nicola
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09 Jan 2006 07:47:55 AM |
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NashtOn wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:CJ7wf.151618$Ph4.4631464@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
Ah so now you're saying that they were killing them because they weren't
atheists.....did you skip your history classes or something?
Is a prerequisite to subscribe to alt.atheism an IQ of <50? Certainly
seems like it.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/7d0129833e6e6935
Nicola
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08 Jan 2006 02:57:05 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:55:52 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:CJ7wf.151618$Ph4.4631464@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
Ah so now you're saying that they were killing them because they weren't
atheists.....did you skip your history classes or something?
Is a prerequisite to subscribe to alt.atheism an IQ of <50? Certainly
seems like it.
Delicious irony from someone who believes in imaginary beings.
Nicola
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08 Jan 2006 12:03:21 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:55:52 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"NashtOn" <nana@na.ca> wrote in message
news:CJ7wf.151618$Ph4.4631464@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
Nicolas
Ah so now you're saying that they were killing them because they weren't
atheists.....did you skip your history classes or something?
Is a prerequisite to subscribe to alt.atheism an IQ of <50? Certainly
seems like it.
You're the one who believes in an invisible man who lives in the sky
and watches everything you do, and you have the gall to insinuate that
*we're* stupid?
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Nicola
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08 Jan 2006 07:26:36 AM |
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NashtOn wrote:
kathryn wrote:
"Paulo Joe Jingy" <pjjNOSPAM@usa1776.com> wrote in message
news:dpqh1s$u1f$1@news.datemas.de...
John Latter wrote:
Any God who can't do its own killing is going to be of psychological
rather than of any other origin - and any God who needs to kill is way
beyond redemption as far as therapy is concerned.
And yet the most deadly killers of their own people that the world has
ever known where and are the atheistic, anti-religious governments of
the Soviet Union and Red China.
Go figure.
yeah....they were trying to force everyone to become atheists......
By the same token that Hitler was trying to convert the Jews he murdered
to Catholisism.
PIUS XII
Eugenio Pacelli, Pope 1939 - 1958
"His Holiness, Pius XII, the best anti-democrat in the world," as he
was in 1950 (!) proudly titled by Ecclesia, official organ of the
Spanish Catholic Action in an attempt to pay him the greatest tribute a
Catholic paper could pay, earlier in his career, as we have seen, had
helped Hitler to come to power in Germany. His policy as a pope was
faithful to his predecessor. When the Spanish republic was finally
defeated by Catholic troops under Franco, would-be dictator of Spain,
the pope sent a special message to the victors:
"With great joy we address you, dearest sons of Catholic Spain, to
express our paternal congratulations for the gift of peace and victory
with which God has chosen to crown the Christian heroism of your faith
.... We give you, our dear sons of Catholic Spain, our apostolic
benediction." [4/17/1939]
Church property and all medieval (!) privileges of the Church were
restored. No other religion was allowed. Protestants and ex-Catholics
were sent to concentration camps for refusing to attend divine service.
Freethinkers, democrats, Socialists and Communists were deprived of
civil rights,imprisoned, or shot.
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"Pius XI, in his own words a "man with no love for democracy," helped
to bring Mussolini's Fascist Party to power in Italy and in 1926
solemnly declared: "Mussolini is a man sent by Divine Providence."
[MC247] In 1935 Fascist Italy attacked and invaded Abyssinia. Since the
population of Italy lacked enthusiasm for this aggression, the pope
hastened to declare a new crusade. For example the Archbishop of
Tarent, holding a Holy Mass on a submarine, declared: "The war against
Abyssinia should be viewed as a Holy War, as a crusade," which also
opened "Ethiopia, the land of infidels and schismatics, to the catholic
Faith."
The pope's emissary in Germany, Papal Nuncio Eugenio Pacelli, the
future Pope Pius XII, helped to demolish the young Weimar republic.
After the liberal democratic Catholic leader Erzberger had been
assassinated, the Pope's exertions became directed to the support of
all Right-Wing movements in Germany, via the influence of the Catholic
Centre Party. On march 23, 1933, the German Reichstag met, and the
Catholic Party, led by its Catholic leaders, former chancellor Brüning
and prelate Mgr. Kaas, personal friend of Pacelli, voted for Catholic
Hitler. After this, having received, directly from the Vatican, orders
to disband, the Catholic Party dissolved. Preached Pacelli to the
German Catholics:
"..... it is all the more necessary that the Catholics, deprived of
diplomatic representation, should find in the diplomatic pacts between
the Holy See and the National Socialist Government guarantees which can
assure them ... the maintenance of their position in the life of the
nation."
Mgr. Kaas, leader of the dissolved Catholic Party, put it even more
bluntly: Catholics must support Hitler, he said. They should not have
any fears about it. For Hitler's ideals were "noble ideals."
Furthermore, "Hitler knows well how to guide the ship." In this way the
first successful democracy on german soil had been destroyed.
[MC250-252]
Eugenio Pacelli
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/f51d8a142b83c34e
Nicolas
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