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"Jason Spaceman" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:06:33 AM |
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Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
From the article:
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Wait a minute, what state are we living in?
That was Tisha Brown's reaction when she heard last month that the School Board
in the town of Grantsburg (population 1,008) in Wisconsin's northwest corner
had approved the teaching of creationism in its schools.
Similarly, in other words, to how she reacted two years ago when the state
Legislature passed a bill that would have made it legal to carry concealed
weapons. (The measure was vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle in November 2003.)
"Must be the times we're in," Brown sighed this week. And considering the course
this country's taken in the last few years, she fears things are going to get a
lot worse before they get better.
Which is why Brown, the pastor at Community of Hope United Church of Christ on
Madison's far west side, was more than happy to join 187 Christian clergy in
signing a letter that was sent to the Grantsburg School Board shortly before
Christmas to express dismay that the board would approve policies that
undermine the teaching of evolution.
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Read it at http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=23684&ntpid=1
J. Spaceman
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 12:24:08 AM |
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Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:06:33 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Wait a minute, what state are we living in?
That was Tisha Brown's reaction when she heard last month that the School Board
in the town of Grantsburg (population 1,008) in Wisconsin's northwest corner
had approved the teaching of creationism in its schools.
Similarly, in other words, to how she reacted two years ago when the state
Legislature passed a bill that would have made it legal to carry concealed
weapons. (The measure was vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle in November 2003.)
"Must be the times we're in," Brown sighed this week. And considering the course
this country's taken in the last few years, she fears things are going to get a
lot worse before they get better.
Which is why Brown, the pastor at Community of Hope United Church of Christ on
Madison's far west side, was more than happy to join 187 Christian clergy in
signing a letter that was sent to the Grantsburg School Board shortly before
Christmas to express dismay that the board would approve policies that
undermine the teaching of evolution.
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Read it at http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=23684&ntpid=1
J. Spaceman
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| User: "bullpup" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 01:03:53 AM |
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<ilikeicecream78@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
Hovind is the perfect example of twisting the evidence to fit his a priori
conclusions. It appeares he applied that same philosophy to the tax laws
too. Now look where he sits.
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Boikat
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
05 Dec 2006 03:54:13 PM |
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<ilikeicecream78@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Look up materials by Kent Hovind.
You mean the guy that's facing jail for tax fraud? LOL!
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Robyn
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 01:23:55 AM |
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<ilikeicecream78@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:06:33 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Wait a minute, what state are we living in?
That was Tisha Brown's reaction when she heard last month that the School
Board
in the town of Grantsburg (population 1,008) in Wisconsin's northwest
corner
had approved the teaching of creationism in its schools.
Similarly, in other words, to how she reacted two years ago when the state
Legislature passed a bill that would have made it legal to carry concealed
weapons. (The measure was vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle in November 2003.)
"Must be the times we're in," Brown sighed this week. And considering the
course
this country's taken in the last few years, she fears things are going to
get a
lot worse before they get better.
Which is why Brown, the pastor at Community of Hope United Church of
Christ on
Madison's far west side, was more than happy to join 187 Christian clergy
in
signing a letter that was sent to the Grantsburg School Board shortly
before
Christmas to express dismay that the board would approve policies that
undermine the teaching of evolution.
---------------------------------
Read it at http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=23684&ntpid=1
J. Spaceman
Yay, Tisha!! You *go* girl! (Er .. 'woman'!)
Greywolf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 10:24:55 AM |
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wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind.
I have.
I don't think that there is a more dishonest collection of material
anywhere on the internet, even in other creationist sources.
Very interesting.
Yes. Some of the statements he makes are not just distortions and
misrepresentations, but outright lies. I find it interesting that
anyone fails to see Hovind as the self-seeking con-man that he is. But
then, human stupdity and gullibilty is a well-used resource in the
process of making such people rich.
It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
Quite so, and Hovind's writtings are an excellent example of the way in
which evidence is twisted, lied about and ignored to promote a message
which has nothing to do with trying to find out anything about the way
the universe works.
RF
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:06:33 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Wait a minute, what state are we living in?
That was Tisha Brown's reaction when she heard last month that the School Board
in the town of Grantsburg (population 1,008) in Wisconsin's northwest corner
had approved the teaching of creationism in its schools.
Similarly, in other words, to how she reacted two years ago when the state
Legislature passed a bill that would have made it legal to carry concealed
weapons. (The measure was vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle in November 2003.)
"Must be the times we're in," Brown sighed this week. And considering the course
this country's taken in the last few years, she fears things are going to get a
lot worse before they get better.
Which is why Brown, the pastor at Community of Hope United Church of Christ on
Madison's far west side, was more than happy to join 187 Christian clergy in
signing a letter that was sent to the Grantsburg School Board shortly before
Christmas to express dismay that the board would approve policies that
undermine the teaching of evolution.
---------------------------------
Read it at http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=23684&ntpid=1
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 12:54:04 AM |
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wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
I like ice cream, too, and am about to dish up about 4 scoops before I
turn to the Simpsons and Metallica tonight.
Hovind is interesting for a bit, I agree, but after a while listening to
him talk about science is like watching someone learn to ice skate
without being able to support their weight with their ankles.
He thinks he is "wowing" us with his made up definitions of the 6
different kinds of evolution, with his discussion of how quickly the
moon is moving away from the earth, and all of those technical sounding
soundbites that he makes, but he is continually falling on his face.
I can watch for a short period of time before it is just necessary to
look away. The laughter dies quickly when the fool doesn't know that he
is a fool.
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“What concerns me now is that even if you’re as brilliant as Newton, you
reach a point where you start basking in the majesty of God and then
your discovery stops — it just stops,” Dr. Tyson said. “You’re no good
anymore for advancing that frontier, waiting for somebody else to come
behind you who doesn’t have God on the brain and who says: ‘That’s a
really cool problem. I want to solve it.’
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| User: "Ron O" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 12:06:26 PM |
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wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:06:33 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Wait a minute, what state are we living in?
That was Tisha Brown's reaction when she heard last month that the School Board
in the town of Grantsburg (population 1,008) in Wisconsin's northwest corner
had approved the teaching of creationism in its schools.
Similarly, in other words, to how she reacted two years ago when the state
Legislature passed a bill that would have made it legal to carry concealed
weapons. (The measure was vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle in November 2003.)
"Must be the times we're in," Brown sighed this week. And considering the course
this country's taken in the last few years, she fears things are going to get a
lot worse before they get better.
Which is why Brown, the pastor at Community of Hope United Church of Christ on
Madison's far west side, was more than happy to join 187 Christian clergy in
signing a letter that was sent to the Grantsburg School Board shortly before
Christmas to express dismay that the board would approve policies that
undermine the teaching of evolution.
---------------------------------
Read it at http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=23684&ntpid=1
J. Spaceman
The Grantsburg issue is an old one and they dropped their bid to teach
intelligent design. A Discovery Institute legal person or lawyer had
to persuade the school board rubes to not try and teach intelligent
design. No lie. Dover and Grantsburg were happening at the same time.
The Grantsburg rubes listened to reason, dropped the issue, but
decided not to take the cheap ID replacement scam that didn't even
mention that ID had ever existed. The Dover rubes wouldn't take the
replacement scam or drop the issue and ID got its day in court. Now,
we all know why the Discovery Institute wanted to stop these guys from
trying to teach ID. They knew for a fact that they never had anything
worth teaching.
Ron Okimoto
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
07 Dec 2006 06:50:30 PM |
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wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
Well, if you mean that Hovind is one of the best examples of how
Creationists will lie and twist facts in order to make it fit into one
they want to be true, you are correct. If you mean looking at his
materials gives evidence, you are wrong
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| User: "Bill Wayne" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 12:36:09 AM |
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wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
So we're supposed to look at it to see how people twist arguments in
favor of creation, right?
Bill
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:06:33 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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Wait a minute, what state are we living in?
That was Tisha Brown's reaction when she heard last month that the School Board
in the town of Grantsburg (population 1,008) in Wisconsin's northwest corner
had approved the teaching of creationism in its schools.
Similarly, in other words, to how she reacted two years ago when the state
Legislature passed a bill that would have made it legal to carry concealed
weapons. (The measure was vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle in November 2003.)
"Must be the times we're in," Brown sighed this week. And considering the course
this country's taken in the last few years, she fears things are going to get a
lot worse before they get better.
Which is why Brown, the pastor at Community of Hope United Church of Christ on
Madison's far west side, was more than happy to join 187 Christian clergy in
signing a letter that was sent to the Grantsburg School Board shortly before
Christmas to express dismay that the board would approve policies that
undermine the teaching of evolution.
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Read it at http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=23684&ntpid=1
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Shane" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 12:37:34 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:24:08 -0500, wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
I agree, if you don't look up all of Kent's material, you may only be
aware that he is a liar for christ, and completely miss the fact that
he is a tax cheat as well.
[...]
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 01:14:23 AM |
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:37:34 +1100, in talk.origins
Shane <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
<1r843k0edw192.r8u6ejevkmbv.dlg@40tude.net>:
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:24:08 -0500, wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
I agree, if you don't look up all of Kent's material, you may only be
aware that he is a liar for christ, and completely miss the fact that
he is a tax cheat as well.
[...]
That's convicted tax cheat.
Of course everyone familiar with science knows that Hovind is an
unrepentant liar when it comes to biology.
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| User: "bullpup" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 01:23:44 AM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:37:34 +1100, in talk.origins
Shane <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
<1r843k0edw192.r8u6ejevkmbv.dlg@40tude.net>:
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:24:08 -0500, wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
I agree, if you don't look up all of Kent's material, you may only be
aware that he is a liar for christ, and completely miss the fact that
he is a tax cheat as well.
[...]
That's convicted tax cheat.
Of course everyone familiar with science knows that Hovind is an
unrepentant liar when it comes to biology.
And geology, and astonomy, and physics, and... well the point is made.
Boikat
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| User: "Ash" |
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07 Dec 2006 06:52:10 PM |
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bullpup wrote:
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:37:34 +1100, in talk.origins
Shane <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
<1r843k0edw192.r8u6ejevkmbv.dlg@40tude.net>:
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:24:08 -0500, wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind. Very interesting. It is very
important that we all look at the evidence and reach the best possible
explaination instead of twisting evidence to fit what we want to be
true.
I agree, if you don't look up all of Kent's material, you may only be
aware that he is a liar for christ, and completely miss the fact that
he is a tax cheat as well.
[...]
That's convicted tax cheat.
Of course everyone familiar with science knows that Hovind is an
unrepentant liar when it comes to biology.
And geology, and astonomy, and physics, and... well the point is made.
You missed history, religion, sociology...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 03:46:26 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:24:08 -0500, ilikeicecream78 wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind.
You mean the guy in jail?
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The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due
to the absence, from Jerusalem, of a lunatic asylum.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Wisconsin: Pastor here steps up to challenge creationism |
04 Dec 2006 04:30:49 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:24:08 -0500, ilikeicecream78 wrote:
Look up materials by Kent Hovind.
You mean the guy in jail?
Perhaps he meant "Lock up materials by Kent Hovind"?
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John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
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