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"TRISHAAN" |
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30 Jul 2006 03:08:30 PM |
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WISH |
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else. For
God to be omnipotent, laws or logic must be created by God. And it can
be done only through WISH.
For example, he must take control of logic of human being just by wish
and make us *believe* that 1 + 1 can be equal to 3.
I think WISH is answer to logic.
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| User: "TRISHAAN" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 01:23:24 PM |
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Bob Pease wrote:
"André G. Isaak" <agisaak@gplatypusmail.com> wrote in message
news:agisaak-91756B.17373430072006@news.telus.net...
In article <7P9zg.10$xp2.8@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@earthlink.net> wrote:
"TRISHAAN" <TRISHAAN@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154290110.127410.318370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else. For
God to be omnipotent, laws or logic must be created by God. And it can
be done only through WISH.
For example, he must take control of logic of human being just by wish
and make us *believe* that 1 + 1 can be equal to 3.
I think WISH is answer to logic.
There's an old saying:
Wish in one hand,
Crap in the other
Which will get full faster?
No matter how hard you wish, 1+1 doesn't equal 3.
Well, unless you're talking about rabbits, in which case 1 + 1 does
equal 3 for sufficiently large values of 3.
It is easy to prove that 1 +1 = 3 if you assume Zoe's First Law
"Anything divided by zero is itself because dividing by zero is the same as
not dividiing"
..
(1/0) = infinity.
Hence 1 = zero*infinity.
But zero*anything = zero.
Hence 1 = 0.
It must be due to sleeping pill. I need to wake up early.
Good night.
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 10:11:29 PM |
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"TRISHAAN" <TRISHAAN@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154370204.220260.276380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Bob Pease wrote:
"André G. Isaak" <agisaak@gplatypusmail.com> wrote in message
news:agisaak-91756B.17373430072006@news.telus.net...
In article <7P9zg.10$xp2.8@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@earthlink.net> wrote:
"TRISHAAN" <TRISHAAN@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154290110.127410.318370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that
these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else.
For
God to be omnipotent, laws or logic must be created by God. And it
can
be done only through WISH.
For example, he must take control of logic of human being just by
wish
and make us *believe* that 1 + 1 can be equal to 3.
I think WISH is answer to logic.
There's an old saying:
Wish in one hand,
Crap in the other
Which will get full faster?
No matter how hard you wish, 1+1 doesn't equal 3.
Well, unless you're talking about rabbits, in which case 1 + 1 does
equal 3 for sufficiently large values of 3.
It is easy to prove that 1 +1 = 3 if you assume Zoe's First Law
"Anything divided by zero is itself because dividing by zero is the same
as
not dividiing"
.
(1/0) = infinity.
Hence 1 = zero*infinity.
But zero*anything = zero.
Hence 1 = 0.
It must be due to sleeping pill. I need to wake up early.
Good night.
Actually the explanation is that all infinities are not created equal!!
RJ P
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 06:11:02 PM |
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"TRISHAAN" <TRISHAAN@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154370204.220260.276380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Bob Pease wrote:
"André G. Isaak" <agisaak@gplatypusmail.com> wrote in message
news:agisaak-91756B.17373430072006@news.telus.net...
In article <7P9zg.10$xp2.8@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@earthlink.net> wrote:
"TRISHAAN" <TRISHAAN@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154290110.127410.318370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that
these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else.
For
God to be omnipotent, laws or logic must be created by God. And it
can
be done only through WISH.
For example, he must take control of logic of human being just by
wish
and make us *believe* that 1 + 1 can be equal to 3.
I think WISH is answer to logic.
There's an old saying:
Wish in one hand,
Crap in the other
Which will get full faster?
No matter how hard you wish, 1+1 doesn't equal 3.
Well, unless you're talking about rabbits, in which case 1 + 1 does
equal 3 for sufficiently large values of 3.
It is easy to prove that 1 +1 = 3 if you assume Zoe's First Law
"Anything divided by zero is itself because dividing by zero is the same
as
not dividiing"
.
(1/0) = infinity.
Hence 1 = zero*infinity.
But zero*anything = zero.
Hence 1 = 0.
It must be due to sleeping pill. I need to wake up early.
Good night.
Since 1 = 0 then 1 + 1 + 1 = 0
but 1 +1 + 1 = 3
Therefore 3 = 0
but 1 + 1 = 0
THEREFORE 1+1 = 3
It is easy to prove by Zoe's law and mathematical induction that all numbers
are
equal to each other
RJ P
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| User: "wf3h" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 07:51:46 PM |
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Nashton wrote:
Darwiniacs WISH that they could prove abiogenesis.
They WISH they could reproduce some of their nonsense in a lab.
nasht, channeling coulter, calls scientists 'darwiniacs'....as to
abiogenesis, we chemists would like to demonstrate it, too. nobel prize
material you see...has zip to do with biology.
They WISH "creationists" would just go away so they wouldn't be such a
thorn in their fragile theory's spine.\\
creationists HAVE gone away. except to lawyers and schoolboards. as
mark twain once said 'suppose i were a schoolboard member, and suppose
i were an idiot...but i repeat myself.'
nasht kind of ignores the fact there are NO...NO peer reviewed
creationist scientific papers anywhere in the world. none.
so either ALL scientists are liars, or nasht is a fanatic...
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| User: "bullpup" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 08:40:15 PM |
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"wf3h" <wf3h@vsswireless.net> wrote in message
news:1154393506.083047.231290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nashton wrote:
Darwiniacs WISH that they could prove abiogenesis.
They WISH they could reproduce some of their nonsense in a lab.
nasht, channeling coulter, calls scientists 'darwiniacs'....as to
abiogenesis, we chemists would like to demonstrate it, too. nobel prize
material you see...has zip to do with biology.
I would think solving the abiogensis hypothesis would have a lot to do with
biology, and evolution (does the new life form evolve into the gunk that
eats New York...)
They WISH "creationists" would just go away so they wouldn't be such a
thorn in their fragile theory's spine.\\
creationists HAVE gone away. except to lawyers and schoolboards. as
mark twain once said 'suppose i were a schoolboard member, and suppose
i were an idiot...but i repeat myself.'
nasht kind of ignores the fact there are NO...NO peer reviewed
creationist scientific papers anywhere in the world. none.
so either ALL scientists are liars, or nasht is a fanatic...
The two are not mutualy exclusive....
Boikat
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"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
30 Jul 2006 03:55:40 PM |
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TRISHAAN wrote:
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else.
You make an assumption here. Those who believe that God created the
Universe believe that God created everything, presumably including
mathematics, physics, time etc.
For
God to be omnipotent, laws or logic must be created by God. And it can
be done only through WISH.
For example, he must take control of logic of human being just by wish
and make us *believe* that 1 + 1 can be equal to 3.
I think WISH is answer to logic.
It already is, at least for creationists.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 06:37:47 PM |
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Bobby D. Bryant <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
TRISHAAN wrote:
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else.
You make an assumption here. Those who believe that God created the
Universe believe that God created everything, presumably including
mathematics, physics, time etc.
But they almost always exclude logic.
Why don't they cut out the Middle Man and worship the Creator of Logic?
That would be a fallacy of the excluded middleman.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 05:42:36 PM |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet cactus (bm1@nonespam.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
TRISHAAN wrote:
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else.
You make an assumption here. Those who believe that God created the
Universe believe that God created everything, presumably including
mathematics, physics, time etc.
And if this were true, he would not have created a system of
mathematics, physics, logic and time that contradicts his attributes.
God is the greatest thing imaginable
A god that can create logic to be whatever he
wants it to be is a greater god than one who
cannot.
Therefore god is magic.
Non-sequitur.
Its "non sequitur", moron.
Magic means magic, able to do anything at all.
No limits. A god that is the greatest thing
imaginable is a god who controls logic, not a god
controlled by logic.
If god is limited, controlled by logic,
he is not omnipotent.
--
"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent men without
religion, and religious men without intelligence."
[Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)]
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 06:42:30 PM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12criu0conu1ca6@corp.supernews.com...
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet cactus (bm1@nonespam.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
TRISHAAN wrote:
If God discovered laws of physics and math, then it means that these
laws were already in existence and hence created by someone else.
You make an assumption here. Those who believe that God created the
Universe believe that God created everything, presumably including
mathematics, physics, time etc.
And if this were true, he would not have created a system of
mathematics, physics, logic and time that contradicts his attributes.
God is the greatest thing imaginable
A god that can create logic to be whatever he
wants it to be is a greater god than one who
cannot.
Therefore god is magic.
Non-sequitur.
Its "non sequitur", moron.
Yes, it is. Magic has no necessary logical connection to "the greatest
thing imaginable," unless you happen to have been one of those kids who were
overawed by the magician at your 10th. birthday party.
If god is limited, controlled by logic,
Another non sequitur. If god created everything, god created logic. Logic
is therefore an emanation of such a god, and not a limitation.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
31 Jul 2006 09:00:20 PM |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
Another non sequitur. If god created everything, god created logic.
Logic is therefore an emanation of such a god, and not a limitation.
"That damned Barwell! He keeps using LOGIC!
Its not fair! Its not fair!"
Anselm:
God is the greatest thing that can be imagined.
That must include existance as a god that
exists is greater thamn one that does not.
Since the greatest thing must have existance,
god exists.
Barwell:
The greatest thing that can be imagined to exist is
god. A god that can make 2 + 2 = 5 is greater
than a god that cannot. The greatest thing that exists
must exist.
Thus if Anselm is right, god is magic, logic is no
limit for him.
Since being magic makes all problems solvable by
magic, problems of theodicy disappear.
So there should be no moral evil in this world
since all theodicy problems are solvable by sheer magic.
But there is evil, so a magic god does not exist.
Thus Anselm is wrong. Ontological proofs are silly ideas.
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If god created everything, god created logic.
Logic is therefore an emanation of such a god, and not a limitation.
Prove god created logic.
Define "emanation". How does that work?
Evidence?
Why would he create logic that limits him?
If he cannot help doing that, where does
the meta-logic that forces that limitation on
god come from?
If he cannot create logic such that it does not
limit him, that needs explaining.
If there are meta-logics beyond him that limit
the kind of logic he can make, it must be part
of the universe's attributes, and so he cannot
create such a limit, it must be beyond him,
and thus he cannot have created the Universe
ex nihilio as claimed that contains these things
he cannot have created. Contradiction.
If god could have created logic such that 2 + 2 = 5
is possible, he is forced to do so because then
he can eliminate all evil, being essentially magic.
Failure to utilize this ability to eliminate evil
means god is not as claimed, omnibenevolent, all good,
or that god hates evil. Its not an option.
Really, you spew nonsense and refuse to spend a
second working out the logical conclusions of
your ignorant claims.
That is so declasse.
You make silly assertions and make no effort
to check yourself, knowing full well I am going
to mercilessly debunk you.
Why?
Glutton for punishment?
--
"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent
men without religion, and religious men without
intelligence".
- Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: WISH |
01 Aug 2006 09:11:47 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
Another non sequitur. If god created everything, god created logic.
Logic is therefore an emanation of such a god, and not a limitation.
"That damned Barwell! He keeps using LOGIC!
All Barwell does is quote medieval theologians and act like a man with a
brain tumor.
Anselm:
God is the greatest thing that can be imagined.
That must include existance as a god that
exists is greater thamn one that does not.
Since the greatest thing must have existance,
god exists.
Where does that state that god must be magic or that god cannot be logical?
You're debunked again, Barwell.
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