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"Vince" |
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13 Jun 2005 10:55:31 AM |
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withdrawal of troops |
President Bush said any timetable for withdrawal of troops from Iraq would
encourage insurgents to wait for the foreign troops to leave.
Does that mean that the attacks and bombings would cease temporarily? This
would be a bad result?
Vince
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 11:51:55 AM |
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"Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in
news:06WdnXunlcjoMTDfRVn-qA@comcast.com:
President Bush said any timetable for withdrawal of troops from Iraq
would encourage insurgents to wait for the foreign troops to leave.
Does that mean that the attacks and bombings would cease temporarily?
This would be a bad result?
Yes, a *temporary* cease fire would be a bad thing. One, it would give the
terrorists time to train new recruits and to acquire more ammunition. Two,
it would only be temporary, once the foreign troops had left the violence
would start up against the relatively weaker native-only security force who
would not have us to back them up.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Men of learning suspect it little, and ignore it mostly.
-- H.P. Lovecraft, "Hypnos"
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| User: "Vince" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 12:21:28 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1118681515.658e2096e79d5cb5c7004991047991f2@teranews...
"Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in
news:06WdnXunlcjoMTDfRVn-qA@comcast.com:
President Bush said any timetable for withdrawal of troops from Iraq
would encourage insurgents to wait for the foreign troops to leave.
Does that mean that the attacks and bombings would cease temporarily?
This would be a bad result?
Yes, a *temporary* cease fire would be a bad thing. One, it would give the
terrorists time to train new recruits and to acquire more ammunition. Two,
it would only be temporary, once the foreign troops had left the violence
would start up against the relatively weaker native-only security force
who
would not have us to back them up.
The so-called terrorists do not need more time or more new recruits. They
have been very effective so far ( 1700 American soldiers dead, thousands
injured, and 100,000 or more dead Iraquis) Our military presence is the
greatest recruiting force for Islamic terrorists. Even the military experts
agree that it will take at least 5 more years to stabilize Iraq in the best
case scenario. The American people are not willing to make that type of
committment.
Yes, there will be violence after we leave in any event, and George
Bush is morally responsible for this disaster, just as you are for
supporting him and the war.
Vince
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 01:40:50 PM |
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"Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1118681515.658e2096e79d5cb5c7004991047991f2@teranews...
"Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in
news:06WdnXunlcjoMTDfRVn-qA@comcast.com:
President Bush said any timetable for withdrawal of troops from
Iraq
would encourage insurgents to wait for the foreign troops to leave.
Does that mean that the attacks and bombings would cease
temporarily? This would be a bad result?
Yes, a *temporary* cease fire would be a bad thing. One, it would
give the terrorists time to train new recruits and to acquire more
ammunition. Two, it would only be temporary, once the foreign troops
had left the violence would start up against the relatively weaker
native-only security force who
would not have us to back them up.
The so-called terrorists do not need more time or more new recruits.
They have been very effective so far ( 1700 American soldiers dead,
thousands injured, and 100,000 or more dead Iraquis) Our military
presence is the greatest recruiting force for Islamic terrorists.
Even the military experts agree that it will take at least 5 more
years to stabilize Iraq in the best case scenario.
The American people are not willing to make that type of committment.
Yes, there will be violence after we leave in any event, and
George Bush is morally responsible for this disaster, just as you are
for supporting him and the war.
Giving them that time would be the worst possible mistake.
1700 killed in more than two years of fighting is hardly a very
effective resistance. The terrorists cannot make a real dent in the
American presense in Iraq, and they only stir up resentment toward their
own cause by blowing up Iraqi civilians.
The radical Islamists don't need our military presense to recruit
terrorists. They can work up their deluded followers on any pretense, or
none at all. But even their followers are becoming disillusioned as they
waste their lives in futile suicide attacks. Giving them the victory by
running away now would make a mockery of all that we have accomplished
in Iraq - and we have accomplished a great deal that rarely gets
mentioned in the liberal traitor media.
A five year commitment to a country like Iraq is hardly an unworthy
project for a great nation like America. Maybe *YOU* don't have that
kind of patience, but fortunately, you aren't in command.
If we left now, we would be condemning the whole country of Iraq to
civil war and violence for many more than five years to come, we would
be destroying everything that we have rebuilt, and we would be telling
the radical Islamists that a strategy of terrorism will be met with a
pathetic surrender as we lack the will to use the force that we have
available to us.
You are an enabler of terrorism. You would give them exactly what they
need to continue.
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/09/enabling-behavior-for-
terrorism.html
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Men of learning suspect it little, and ignore it mostly.
-- H.P. Lovecraft, "Hypnos"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 12:41:26 PM |
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Vince wrote:
The so-called terrorists
They place car bombs in front of schools. I think
they qualify.
do not need more time or more new recruits.
Every time they set off another suicide bomb they
need at least one more recruit as a replacement, no?
They
have been very effective so far ( 1700 American soldiers dead, thousands
injured, and 100,000 or more dead Iraquis)
How many dead insurgents? I think you need to mention
that if you want to talk about how "effective" they are.
Our military presence is the
greatest recruiting force for Islamic terrorists. Even the military experts
agree that it will take at least 5 more years to stabilize Iraq in the best
case scenario. The American people are not willing to make that type of
committment.
I wasn't aware that you'd been elected to speak for
the American people. *You* aren't willing, and the
Iraqi insurgents would love it if you *were* speaking
for the American people, but you aren't. The moment
the average American thinks as you do, the people in
Iraq who love to behead infidels win.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Vince" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 01:07:06 PM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Vince wrote:
The so-called terrorists
They place car bombs in front of schools. I think
they qualify.
The bombing started after the Us invaded Iraq.
How many dead insurgents? I think you need to mention
that if you want to talk about how "effective" they are.
I don't care about dead insurgments- I care about American
soldiers and innocent Iraqui men, women and children who have been killed
since we "liberated" that country.
Our military presence is the
greatest recruiting force for Islamic terrorists. Even the military
experts
agree that it will take at least 5 more years to stabilize Iraq in the
best
case scenario. The American people are not willing to make that type of
committment.
I wasn't aware that you'd been elected to speak for
the American people. *You* aren't willing, and the
Iraqi insurgents would love it if you *were* speaking
for the American people, but you aren't. The moment
the average American thinks as you do, the people in
Iraq who love to behead infidels win.
The insurgents have already won. The have destabilized the country,
destroyed oil fields and killed tens of thousands of people. We have
squandered 300 billion, the army can not meet its recruiting quota, and the
latest polls indicate that over 57 % of the US think the war was a mistake.
That number will increase with each American casualty.Where have you been?
Vince
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 02:24:16 PM |
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Vince wrote:
The insurgents have already won.
You want that very badly. Why?
The have destabilized the country,
I thought you were crying that the US had done that?
destroyed oil fields and killed tens of thousands of people.
That's sufficient for a victory?
We have
squandered 300 billion, the army can not meet its recruiting quota, and the
latest polls indicate that over 57 % of the US think the war was a mistake.
That number will increase with each American casualty.Where have you been?
Have you read the post-war interviews with the North Vietnamese
generals? They credited their victory over South Vietnam to
people just like you, after they lost in the field.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Vince" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 02:39:15 PM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Vince wrote:
The insurgents have already won.
You want that very badly. Why?
The have destabilized the country,
I thought you were crying that the US had done that?
destroyed oil fields and killed tens of thousands of people.
That's sufficient for a victory?
We have
squandered 300 billion, the army can not meet its recruiting quota, and
the
latest polls indicate that over 57 % of the US think the war was a
mistake.
That number will increase with each American casualty.Where have you
been?
Have you read the post-war interviews with the North Vietnamese
generals? They credited their victory over South Vietnam to
people just like you, after they lost in the field.
The North Vietnamese lost in the field? Are you living in a fantasy?
They kicked our ***** in Vietnam. "People like me" had nothing to do with the
American defeat in Vietnam. These disloyalty accusations are beneath
contempt.
Vince
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 03:25:57 PM |
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Vince wrote:
The North Vietnamese lost in the field? Are you living in a fantasy?
They kicked our ***** in Vietnam.
Ah. Evidence that you *haven't* read what the North Vietnamese
commanders *themselves* wrote about the Vietnam War. I suppose
you think the Tet Offensive was a resounding defeat for US
forces, right?
"People like me" had nothing to do with the
American defeat in Vietnam.
Yes, "people like you" had *everything* to do with the
slaughter that occurred when the North Vietnamese
overran South Vietnam two years after US forces left.
The NVA generals said as much - the only thing that
kept them going was the US anti-war movement, it
convinced them that all they needed to do was hang
on a little longer and the US government would cave.
These disloyalty accusations are beneath
contempt.
"Beneath contempt" was pretty much what I was thinking,
but it wasn't disloyalty accusations I was thinking
it about.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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| Title: Re: withdrawal of troops |
13 Jun 2005 03:40:18 PM |
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Le Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:51:55 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
Yes, a *temporary* cease fire would be a bad thing. One, it would give the
terrorists time to train new recruits and to acquire more ammunition. Two,
it would only be temporary, once the foreign troops had left the violence
would start up against the relatively weaker native-only security force
who would not have us to back them up.
Keep on dreaming, and you might still be able to win Vietnam!
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