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Date: 13 Jan 2007 08:43:06 AM
Object: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi
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A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians
Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Rabbi Daniel Lapin
I am certainly not a Churchill. I am not even a Revel. I am having
enough trouble just trying to be a Lapin. But I am issuing a very
serious warning about deep consequences, just as they did. It is a
warning about the earliest stages of what could become a cataract of
disasters if not resisted now.
During the 1930s, Winston Churchill desperately tried to persuade the
English people and their government to see that Hitler meant to end
their way of life. The British ignored Churchill, which gave Hitler
nearly 10 years to build up his military forces. It wasn't until Hitler
actually drew blood that the British realized they had a war on their
hands. It turned out to be a far longer and more destructive war than
it needed to be had Churchill's early warning been heeded.
In 1983, a brave French writer, Jean-Francois Revel, wrote a book
called "How Democracies Perish." In this remarkable volume, he
described how communism's aim is world conquest. For decades he had
been trying to warn of communism's very real threat. Yet in January
1982, a high State Department official said: "We Americans are not
solving problems, we are the problem." (Some things never change.) A
good portion of the planet fell to communism, which brought misery and
death to millions because we failed to recognize in time that others
meant to harm us.
Heaven knows there was enough warning during the 1980s of the intention
of part of the Islamic world to take yet another crack at world
domination. Yet instead of seeing each deadly assault on our interests
around the world as a test of our resolve, we ignored it. We failed the
test and lost 3,000 Americans in two unforgettable hours.
I am not going to argue that what is happening now is on the same scale
as the examples I cite above, but a serious war is being waged against
a group of Americans. I am certain that if we lose this war, the
consequences for American civilization will be dire.
Phase one of this war I describe is a propaganda blitzkrieg that is
eerily reminiscent of how effectively the Goebbels propaganda machine
softened up the German people for what was to come.
There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.
Consider the long list of anti-Christian books that have been published
in recent months. Here are just a few samples of more than 30 similar
titles, all from mainstream publishers:
"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America"
"The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of
Us"
"The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"
"Piety & Politics: The Right-wing Assault on Religious Freedom"
"Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian
Fundamentalism"
"Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and
Threatens America"
"Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right"
What is truly alarming is that there are more of these books for sale
at your local large book store warning against the perils of fervent
Christianity than those warning against the perils of fervent Islam.
Does anyone seriously think America is more seriously jeopardized by
Christian conservatives than by Islamic zealots? I fear that many
Americans believe just that in the same way that many pre-World War II
Westerners considered Churchill a bigger threat than Hitler.
Some may say that today's proliferation of anti-Christian print
propaganda is nothing to become worried about. To them I ask two
questions:
First, would you be so sanguine if the target of this loathsome library
were Jewish? Just try changing the titles in some of the books I
mention above to reflect anti-Semitism instead of rampant
anti-Christianism and you'll see what I mean.
Second, major movements that changed the way Americans felt and acted
came about through books, often only one book. Think of Rachel Carson's
1962 error-filled "Silent Spring" that resulted in the pointless
banning of the insecticide DDT and many unnecessary deaths. Other books
that caused upheavals in our nation were Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle,"
many of Ayn Rand's books and of course "Uncle Tom's Cabin."
No, I would advise you not to underestimate the power of books to alter
the behavior of the American public, and I fear for an America
influenced to detest Christianity by this hate-filled catalog.
It is not just books but popular entertainment also that beams the most
lurid anti-Christian propaganda into the hearts and minds of viewers.
One need only think of who the real targets of the recent hit movie
"Borat" are. The brilliant Jewish moviemaker Sacha Baron Cohen, as his
title character, using borderline dishonest wiles, lures some innocent
but unsophisticated country folk, obviously Christians, to join him in
his outrageously anti-Semitic antics. Cohen then triumphantly claims to
have exposed anti-Semitism. In fact, he has revealed nothing other than
the latent anti-Christianism of America's social, economic and academic
secular elites.
Even the recent PBS documentary, "Anti-Semitism in the 21st Century:
The Resurgence," managed to do more attacking Christianity than
defending Judaism.
Richard Dawkins, an Oxford University professor, is one of the generals
in the anti-Christian army of the secular left. American academia
treats him with reverence and hangs on his every word when he insists
that "religious myths ought not to be tolerated."
For those with a slightly more tolerant outlook, he asks, "It's one
thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but
should they be free impose their beliefs on their children?" He
suggests that the state should intervene to protect children from their
parents' religious beliefs. Needless to say, he means Christian
beliefs, of course. Muslim beliefs add to England's charmingly diverse
cultural landscape.
The war is against those who regard the Bible to be God's revelation to
humanity and the Ten Commandments to be His set of rules for all time.
Phase one in this war is to make Christianity, well, sort of socially
unacceptable. Something only foolish, poor and ugly people could turn
to.
We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign pretty much made it
socially unacceptable to drink and drive. For years, there had been
stringent laws against drunk driving. They achieved little. In the end,
the practice was all but eliminated by groups allied with Mothers
Against Drunk Driving and their effective ways of changing the way
Americans thought about it.
We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign has pretty much made
it socially unacceptable to smoke. In the face of a relentless campaign
(dare one call it propaganda?), Americans became docile and forfeited
the right to make their own decisions. Nobody was willing to stand up
to the no-smoking tyrants. Nobody even asked whether health was
sufficient grounds for freedom to be reduced. Now, entire cities and
even states have banned smoking, not only in public places but even in
privately owned restaurants.
Tyranny comes when citizens are seduced into trading freedom for the
promise of safety and security.
Considerably more intellectual energy is being pumped into the
propaganda campaign against Christianity than was ever delivered to the
anti-smoking or anti-drunk-driving campaigns. Fervent zealots of
secularism are flinging themselves into this anti-Christian war with
enormous fanaticism.
If they succeed, Christianity will be driven underground, and its
benign influence on the character of America will be lost. In its place
we shall see a sinister secularism that menaces Bible believers of all
faiths. Once the voice of the Bible has been silenced, the war on
Western Civilization can begin and we shall see a long night of
barbarism descend on the West.
Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.
Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.
Many of us Jews are ready to stand with you. But you must lead. You
must replace your timidity with nerve and your diffidence with daring
and determination. You are under attack. Now is the time to resist it.
Scholar, author and Jewish community leader Rabbi Daniel Lapin is
president of the national organization Toward Tradition .
.

User: "Josef Balluch"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 11:05:41 AM
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in message
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748
Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi

Subtitle: I Respect Christians, But Not Enough To Actually Become One
Second Subtitle: How To Lay A Guilt Trip On Christians And Get Them To Do
The Heavy Lifting
Regards,
Josef
.

User: "Steve"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 11:23:08 AM
Ah, yes, without all of the divisiveness, hatred, bigotry,
discrimination, violence, and intellectual laziness and dishonesty that
comes with Christianity, America is doomed. It all makes sense now.
.
User: "Ronald More-More Moshki"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 11:52:22 AM
Steve wrote:

Ah, yes, without all of the divisiveness, hatred, bigotry,
discrimination, violence, and intellectual laziness and dishonesty that
comes with Christianity, America is doomed. It all makes sense now.

Steve is a crook, stole Moshki's words.
.


User: "Attila"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 10:05:03 AM
On 13 Jan 2007 06:43:06 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1168699386.114866.27690@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> wrote:



A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians

More cultist nonsense.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.

User: "satyr"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 02:36:17 PM
On 13 Jan 2007 06:43:06 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.

Then become a fucking Christian, you moron. If it's not good enough
for you, why would you think that I would want to join.
Nazi Germany had a vibrant and vital Christianity, is that the
direction you would like us to go?
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
.

User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 12:39:07 PM
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:43:06 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote:


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748



A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians

So, when people are willing to kill for a belief system that has no
objective basis, or tolerate people who do, that's a good thing?
Is it painful to be so stupid?
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
.

User: "cactus"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 07:48:29 PM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748



A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians



Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Rabbi Daniel Lapin


I am certainly not a Churchill. I am not even a Revel. I am having
enough trouble just trying to be a Lapin. But I am issuing a very
serious warning about deep consequences, just as they did. It is a
warning about the earliest stages of what could become a cataract of
disasters if not resisted now.

During the 1930s, Winston Churchill desperately tried to persuade the
English people and their government to see that Hitler meant to end
their way of life. The British ignored Churchill, which gave Hitler
nearly 10 years to build up his military forces. It wasn't until Hitler
actually drew blood that the British realized they had a war on their
hands. It turned out to be a far longer and more destructive war than
it needed to be had Churchill's early warning been heeded.

In 1983, a brave French writer, Jean-Francois Revel, wrote a book
called "How Democracies Perish." In this remarkable volume, he
described how communism's aim is world conquest. For decades he had
been trying to warn of communism's very real threat. Yet in January
1982, a high State Department official said: "We Americans are not
solving problems, we are the problem." (Some things never change.) A
good portion of the planet fell to communism, which brought misery and
death to millions because we failed to recognize in time that others
meant to harm us.

Heaven knows there was enough warning during the 1980s of the intention
of part of the Islamic world to take yet another crack at world
domination. Yet instead of seeing each deadly assault on our interests
around the world as a test of our resolve, we ignored it. We failed the
test and lost 3,000 Americans in two unforgettable hours.

I am not going to argue that what is happening now is on the same scale
as the examples I cite above, but a serious war is being waged against
a group of Americans. I am certain that if we lose this war, the
consequences for American civilization will be dire.

Phase one of this war I describe is a propaganda blitzkrieg that is
eerily reminiscent of how effectively the Goebbels propaganda machine
softened up the German people for what was to come.

There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.

Consider the long list of anti-Christian books that have been published
in recent months. Here are just a few samples of more than 30 similar
titles, all from mainstream publishers:


"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America"
"The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of
Us"

"The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"

"Piety & Politics: The Right-wing Assault on Religious Freedom"

"Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian
Fundamentalism"

"Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and
Threatens America"

"Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right"

What is truly alarming is that there are more of these books for sale
at your local large book store warning against the perils of fervent
Christianity than those warning against the perils of fervent Islam.
Does anyone seriously think America is more seriously jeopardized by
Christian conservatives than by Islamic zealots? I fear that many
Americans believe just that in the same way that many pre-World War II
Westerners considered Churchill a bigger threat than Hitler.

Some may say that today's proliferation of anti-Christian print
propaganda is nothing to become worried about. To them I ask two
questions:

First, would you be so sanguine if the target of this loathsome library
were Jewish? Just try changing the titles in some of the books I
mention above to reflect anti-Semitism instead of rampant
anti-Christianism and you'll see what I mean.

Second, major movements that changed the way Americans felt and acted
came about through books, often only one book. Think of Rachel Carson's
1962 error-filled "Silent Spring" that resulted in the pointless
banning of the insecticide DDT and many unnecessary deaths. Other books
that caused upheavals in our nation were Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle,"
many of Ayn Rand's books and of course "Uncle Tom's Cabin."

No, I would advise you not to underestimate the power of books to alter
the behavior of the American public, and I fear for an America
influenced to detest Christianity by this hate-filled catalog.

It is not just books but popular entertainment also that beams the most
lurid anti-Christian propaganda into the hearts and minds of viewers.
One need only think of who the real targets of the recent hit movie
"Borat" are. The brilliant Jewish moviemaker Sacha Baron Cohen, as his
title character, using borderline dishonest wiles, lures some innocent
but unsophisticated country folk, obviously Christians, to join him in
his outrageously anti-Semitic antics. Cohen then triumphantly claims to
have exposed anti-Semitism. In fact, he has revealed nothing other than
the latent anti-Christianism of America's social, economic and academic
secular elites.

Even the recent PBS documentary, "Anti-Semitism in the 21st Century:
The Resurgence," managed to do more attacking Christianity than
defending Judaism.

Richard Dawkins, an Oxford University professor, is one of the generals
in the anti-Christian army of the secular left. American academia
treats him with reverence and hangs on his every word when he insists
that "religious myths ought not to be tolerated."

For those with a slightly more tolerant outlook, he asks, "It's one
thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but
should they be free impose their beliefs on their children?" He
suggests that the state should intervene to protect children from their
parents' religious beliefs. Needless to say, he means Christian
beliefs, of course. Muslim beliefs add to England's charmingly diverse
cultural landscape.

The war is against those who regard the Bible to be God's revelation to
humanity and the Ten Commandments to be His set of rules for all time.
Phase one in this war is to make Christianity, well, sort of socially
unacceptable. Something only foolish, poor and ugly people could turn
to.

We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign pretty much made it
socially unacceptable to drink and drive. For years, there had been
stringent laws against drunk driving. They achieved little. In the end,
the practice was all but eliminated by groups allied with Mothers
Against Drunk Driving and their effective ways of changing the way
Americans thought about it.

We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign has pretty much made
it socially unacceptable to smoke. In the face of a relentless campaign
(dare one call it propaganda?), Americans became docile and forfeited
the right to make their own decisions. Nobody was willing to stand up
to the no-smoking tyrants. Nobody even asked whether health was
sufficient grounds for freedom to be reduced. Now, entire cities and
even states have banned smoking, not only in public places but even in
privately owned restaurants.

Tyranny comes when citizens are seduced into trading freedom for the
promise of safety and security.

Considerably more intellectual energy is being pumped into the
propaganda campaign against Christianity than was ever delivered to the
anti-smoking or anti-drunk-driving campaigns. Fervent zealots of
secularism are flinging themselves into this anti-Christian war with
enormous fanaticism.

If they succeed, Christianity will be driven underground, and its
benign influence on the character of America will be lost. In its place
we shall see a sinister secularism that menaces Bible believers of all
faiths. Once the voice of the Bible has been silenced, the war on
Western Civilization can begin and we shall see a long night of
barbarism descend on the West.

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.

Many of us Jews are ready to stand with you. But you must lead. You
must replace your timidity with nerve and your diffidence with daring
and determination. You are under attack. Now is the time to resist it.




Scholar, author and Jewish community leader Rabbi Daniel Lapin is
president of the national organization Toward Tradition .

He misses the point. The reason that these books are being written is
that there is a real threat of Christian fundamentalism becoming a
stronger fascist movement than it is.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 10:47:09 AM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748>


A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians


Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Rabbi Daniel Lapin>

<snip>

There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.

IOW, the Christians who support Israel.
<snip>

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Tell it to your Zionist bretheren who continue to try to bash
Christmas.

Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.

Many of us Jews are ready to stand with you. But you must lead. You
must replace your timidity with nerve and your diffidence with daring
and determination.

Christian timidity is a response to the Zionist attack on Christianity,
which
has been going on for some years now. But oh, Zionists have suddenly
realized that nutty "conservative" Christians are all bending over for
Israel, now things should be all chummy between Jews and Christians.

You are under attack. Now is the time to resist it.

Christians have BEEN under attack ribeye
.


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