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"Bill Baker" |
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14 Sep 2004 04:13:38 PM |
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Woman fired for supporting Kerry |
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040912/sticker.shtml
Moulton woman says she lost job for sporting Kerry sticker on car
By Clyde L. Stancil
DAILY Staff Writer
cstancil@decaturdaily.com · 340-2443
MOULTON -- Lynne Gobbell never imagined the cost of a John Kerry-John
Edwards bumper sticker could run so high.
Gobbell of Moulton didn't pay a cent for the sticker that she proudly
displays on the rear windshield of her Chevrolet Lumina, but said it cost
her job at a local factory after it angered her boss, Phil Gaddis.
Gaddis, a Decatur bankruptcy attorney, owns Enviromate, a cellulose
insulation company in Moulton.
Gaddis did not return phone calls from THE DAILY about the alleged
Thursday firing.
Gobbell said she consulted a lawyer, but then changed her mind about going
to see him. She said she has cried about the incident and must do without
income for three weeks while the state unemployment commission decides if
she is eligible for compensation.
Gobbell said she was averaging 50 to 60 hours a week on the plant's
bagging machine.
"The lady there (at the unemployment commission) said that she has never
heard of a firing like this before," Gobbell said.
Gobbell gave this account:
"We were going back to work from break, and my manager told me that Phil
said to remove the sticker off my car or I was fired," she said. "I told
him that Phil couldn't tell me who to vote for. He said, 'Go tell him.' "
She went to Gaddis' office, knocked on the door and entered on his orders.
"Phil and another man who works there were there," she said. "I asked him
if he said to remove the sticker and he said, 'Yes, I did.' I told him he
couldn't tell me who to vote for. When I told him that, he told me, 'I own
this place.' I told him he still couldn't tell me who to vote for."
Gobbell said Gaddis told her to "get out of here."
"I asked him if I was fired and he told me he was thinking about it," she
said. "I said, 'Well, am I fired?' He hollered and said, 'Get out of here
and shut the door.' "
She said her manager was standing in another room and she asked him if
that meant for her to go back to work or go home. The manager told her to
go back to work, but he came back a few minutes later and said, " 'I
reckon you're fired. You could either work for him or John Kerry,' "
Gobbell said.
"I took off my gloves and threw them in the garbage and left," Gobbell
said.
Though she is unemployed and uncertain if she will get her job back,
Gobbell said, she doesn't regret her decision to keep the sticker on her
windshield.
"I would like to find another job, but I would take that job back because
I need to work," she said. "It upset me and made me mad that he could put
a letter in my check expressing his (political) opinion, but I can't put
something on my car expressing mine."
She was referring to a flier that she said Gaddis placed in employee
envelopes to remind them of the positive impact that President Bush's
policies have had on them. An employee at the plant who would not identify
himself confirmed the contents of the letter.
Gobbell provided a copy of the flier. It says:
"Just so you will know, because of the Bush tax (cut):
* I was able to buy the new Hammer Mill
* I was able to finance our receivables
* I was able to get the new CAT skid steer
* I was able to get the wire cutter
* I was able to give you a job"
It further says:
"You got the benefit of the Bush tax cut. Everyone did."
--
Funny Lurlean quote #34:
"I hope a piece of the sun falls directly on Baghdad and burns it all up."
--Lurlean provides her own commentary to the lyrics "Re, a drop of golden sun"
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| User: "George Jetson" |
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| Title: Re: Woman fired for supporting Kerry |
14 Sep 2004 08:22:51 PM |
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Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
news:pan.2004.09.14.21.13.27.225955@postini.spamcon.org:
Gobbell gave this account:
"We were going back to work from break, and my manager told me that
Phil said to remove the sticker off my car or I was fired," she said.
"I told him that Phil couldn't tell me who to vote for. He said, 'Go
tell him.' "
She went to Gaddis' office, knocked on the door and entered on his
orders.
"Phil and another man who works there were there," she said. "I asked
him if he said to remove the sticker and he said, 'Yes, I did.' I told
him he couldn't tell me who to vote for. When I told him that, he told
me, 'I own this place.' I told him he still couldn't tell me who to
vote for."
He wasn't telling her who to vote for. He was telling her to get the
sticker off his property. She doesn't sound too bright.
Gobbell said Gaddis told her to "get out of here."
"I asked him if I was fired and he told me he was thinking about it,"
she said. "I said, 'Well, am I fired?' He hollered and said, 'Get out
of here and shut the door.' "
She sounds like she's got a smart mouth. No wonder he fired her.
She said her manager was standing in another room and she asked him if
that meant for her to go back to work or go home. The manager told her
to go back to work, but he came back a few minutes later and said, "
'I reckon you're fired. You could either work for him or John Kerry,'
" Gobbell said.
"I took off my gloves and threw them in the garbage and left," Gobbell
said.
Though she is unemployed and uncertain if she will get her job back,
Gobbell said, she doesn't regret her decision to keep the sticker on
her windshield.
"I would like to find another job, but I would take that job back
because I need to work," she said. "It upset me and made me mad that
he could put a letter in my check expressing his (political) opinion,
but I can't put something on my car expressing mine."
That's because he owns the company, ya dumb *****.
She was referring to a flier that she said Gaddis placed in employee
envelopes to remind them of the positive impact that President Bush's
policies have had on them. An employee at the plant who would not
identify himself confirmed the contents of the letter.
Gobbell provided a copy of the flier. It says:
"Just so you will know, because of the Bush tax (cut):
* I was able to buy the new Hammer Mill
* I was able to finance our receivables
* I was able to get the new CAT skid steer
* I was able to get the wire cutter
* I was able to give you a job"
It further says:
"You got the benefit of the Bush tax cut. Everyone did."
Politics aside, this woman is an idiot.
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| User: "Ben Ferguson" |
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16 Sep 2004 11:19:02 AM |
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That's because he owns the company, ya dumb *****.
Lots of bosses who have sexually harassed their female employees
thought the same thing.
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| User: "Save Us from Hatred" |
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16 Sep 2004 08:48:56 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:19:02 -0500, Ben Ferguson wrote:
That's because he owns the company, ya dumb *****.
Lots of bosses who have sexually harassed their female employees thought
the same thing.
Bush said he wants to make us an ownership society, so under Bush
employers own employees.
Maybe he'll take us back to a time where people owned people outright.
Given his right-wing tendencies, and his attempt to destroy the
middle-class using outsourcing, that may be what he's trying to do.
If the only options are starvation or slavery, how many will accept
slavery?
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Hypocrisy from a Bush supporter is like the Sunrise
You can count on it every single day.
---- "George W. Bush, Traitor" <bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
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| User: "Guardian Pegasus" |
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14 Sep 2004 10:08:09 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:22:51 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
He wasn't telling her who to vote for. He was telling her to get the
sticker off his property. She doesn't sound too bright.
Neither do you.
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| User: "George Jetson" |
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14 Sep 2004 10:34:28 PM |
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Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:egcfk0p7gapor46uht4v598bajsgqnq5an@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:22:51 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
He wasn't telling her who to vote for. He was telling her to get the
sticker off his property. She doesn't sound too bright.
Neither do you.
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 Sep 2004 05:28:20 AM |
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"George Jetson" <gjetson@ureach.com> wrote in message
news:1095219269.fXOa3RCH00y+XI4Ow0M5Zw@teranews...
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:egcfk0p7gapor46uht4v598bajsgqnq5an@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:22:51 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
He wasn't telling her who to vote for. He was telling her to get the
sticker off his property. She doesn't sound too bright.
Neither do you.
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
Hardly, *****. NO ONE should get fired based on a political bumper
sticker on their car - regardless of who the candidate is.
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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| Title: Re: Woman fired for supporting Kerry |
15 Sep 2004 04:14:25 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"George Jetson" <gjetson@ureach.com> wrote in message
news:1095219269.fXOa3RCH00y+XI4Ow0M5Zw@teranews...
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:egcfk0p7gapor46uht4v598bajsgqnq5an@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:22:51 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
He wasn't telling her who to vote for. He was telling her to get the
sticker off his property. She doesn't sound too bright.
Neither do you.
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
Hardly, *****. NO ONE should get fired based on a political bumper
sticker on their car - regardless of who the candidate is.
He can't win on facts, so he's making up hypothetical situations and
insisting that he knows in advance how you would react to them.
In other words, he's a liar, and a bad one at that.
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
http://www.virginiaisforhaters.org/
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "" |
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16 Sep 2004 11:45:29 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:28:20 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"George Jetson" <gjetson@ureach.com> wrote in message
news:1095219269.fXOa3RCH00y+XI4Ow0M5Zw@teranews...
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:egcfk0p7gapor46uht4v598bajsgqnq5an@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:22:51 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
He wasn't telling her who to vote for. He was telling her to get the
sticker off his property. She doesn't sound too bright.
Neither do you.
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
Hardly, *****. NO ONE should get fired based on a political bumper
sticker on their car - regardless of who the candidate is.
Astro Excrement there hasn't a single neuron to its name.
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| User: "Guardian Pegasus" |
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15 Sep 2004 02:00:46 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
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| User: "Jim" |
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15 Sep 2004 04:29:07 AM |
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"Guardian Pegasus" <pope@holysee.va> wrote in message
news:bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Not quite.
Legality of the sticker in regards to her car alone isn't even an issue.
You may want to look up the real laws concerning it.
Here is a start
<http://www.discriminationattorney.com/wrongter.shtml>
Only specifically protected items such as race, religion, sex
prevent termination on those items alone. In most states employment is "at
will"
meaning an employer can fire anyone with or without any
reason and for any reason as long as its not protected
under the employment laws.
Might seem strange but it is a protection to employers
for example, you work for AMD but have an Intel
sticker on your car.
For a closer example to what happened here,
a man in GA was fired for having a confederate
flag sticker on his car.
Free speech? Its a great concept but very few people
actually understand what free speech is and what is
protected. Most people apparently take it literally
thinking it means you can say anything. Not true.
Jim
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| User: "George Jetson" |
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15 Sep 2004 10:49:08 AM |
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Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Since I'm a business owner I'm more inclined to look at it from a
business owner's perspective. The guy OWNS the business. It belongs to
HIM, not the government. He should have a right to hire or fire whoever
he wants.
He didn't tell the woman who to vote for. He told her to remove the
sticker from his property. There have been other cases where companies
have told workers to remove items that may cause a disruption from
company property. I don't see that this is any different. She refused,
so she got fired. To me, that's stupid. Chances are, after the election
she won't have a job with either the original company or Kerry.
And, no, it isn't unconstitutional. Speech is protected in the
Constitution, but only against interference from the government. Nothing
in the Constitution says you won't pay the consequences of your words if
private citizens disagree with them.
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Woman fired for supporting Kerry |
15 Sep 2004 06:08:19 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:49:08 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Since I'm a business owner I'm more inclined to look at it from a
business owner's perspective. The guy OWNS the business. It belongs to
HIM, not the government. He should have a right to hire or fire whoever
he wants.
He didn't tell the woman who to vote for. He told her to remove the
sticker from his property. There have been other cases where companies
have told workers to remove items that may cause a disruption from
company property. I don't see that this is any different. She refused,
so she got fired. To me, that's stupid. Chances are, after the election
she won't have a job with either the original company or Kerry.
And, no, it isn't unconstitutional. Speech is protected in the
Constitution, but only against interference from the government. Nothing
in the Constitution says you won't pay the consequences of your words if
private citizens disagree with them.
It was on her car, not on his property. If she had it posted on an
office wall or office property, yeah, but to try to tell someone what
they can put on their own car is a hell of a reach - probably too far
for the employment laws (you can't tell someone what to do on their
own time, etc). Perhaps he might have the right tell her not to park
the car in the lot because of the sticker, but that would be
incredibly petty.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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15 Sep 2004 06:14:46 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:414ac9aa.68852734@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:49:08 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Since I'm a business owner I'm more inclined to look at it from a
business owner's perspective. The guy OWNS the business. It belongs to
HIM, not the government. He should have a right to hire or fire whoever
he wants.
He didn't tell the woman who to vote for. He told her to remove the
sticker from his property. There have been other cases where companies
have told workers to remove items that may cause a disruption from
company property. I don't see that this is any different. She refused,
so she got fired. To me, that's stupid. Chances are, after the election
she won't have a job with either the original company or Kerry.
And, no, it isn't unconstitutional. Speech is protected in the
Constitution, but only against interference from the government. Nothing
in the Constitution says you won't pay the consequences of your words if
private citizens disagree with them.
It was on her car, not on his property. If she had it posted on an
office wall or office property, yeah, but to try to tell someone what
they can put on their own car is a hell of a reach - probably too far
for the employment laws (you can't tell someone what to do on their
own time, etc). Perhaps he might have the right tell her not to park
the car in the lot because of the sticker, but that would be
incredibly petty.
Not to mention there's quite a bit of case law about employers
discriminating on the basis of political affiliation. Which employers have
lost pretty much every time.
Our business owner, above, is either more bark than bite, or is likely to
lose his business eventually for violating his employees' rights (and
rightly so). There *is* explicit protection for this in the Civil Rights
Act.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "" |
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16 Sep 2004 11:44:56 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:14:46 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:414ac9aa.68852734@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:49:08 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Since I'm a business owner I'm more inclined to look at it from a
business owner's perspective. The guy OWNS the business. It belongs to
HIM, not the government. He should have a right to hire or fire whoever
he wants.
He didn't tell the woman who to vote for. He told her to remove the
sticker from his property. There have been other cases where companies
have told workers to remove items that may cause a disruption from
company property. I don't see that this is any different. She refused,
so she got fired. To me, that's stupid. Chances are, after the election
she won't have a job with either the original company or Kerry.
And, no, it isn't unconstitutional. Speech is protected in the
Constitution, but only against interference from the government. Nothing
in the Constitution says you won't pay the consequences of your words if
private citizens disagree with them.
It was on her car, not on his property. If she had it posted on an
office wall or office property, yeah, but to try to tell someone what
they can put on their own car is a hell of a reach - probably too far
for the employment laws (you can't tell someone what to do on their
own time, etc). Perhaps he might have the right tell her not to park
the car in the lot because of the sticker, but that would be
incredibly petty.
Not to mention there's quite a bit of case law about employers
discriminating on the basis of political affiliation. Which employers have
lost pretty much every time.
Our business owner, above, is either more bark than bite, or is likely to
lose his business eventually for violating his employees' rights (and
rightly so). There *is* explicit protection for this in the Civil Rights
Act.
Problem is so many laws (and enforcement thereof) is being ignored by
the current tyrannical theocracy.
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| User: "CJT" |
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15 Sep 2004 02:17:36 AM |
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Guardian Pegasus wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
I doubt it's unconstitutional, because government isn't directly
involved. But it's certainly wrong, and might be illegal.
That said, it's consistent with Republican (lack of) values.
--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.
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| User: "Jim" |
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15 Sep 2004 04:31:15 AM |
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"CJT" <abujlehc@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:4147EC58.7080103@prodigy.net...
Guardian Pegasus wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker was
a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
I doubt it's unconstitutional, because government isn't directly
involved. But it's certainly wrong, and might be illegal.
That said, it's consistent with Republican (lack of) values.
It is a catch-22, the laws are broad in this respect to protect
employers against libel or competition, unfortunately the
laws on employment are extremely broad in what they
encompass.
Legality of the sticker in regards to her car alone isn't even an issue.
You may want to look up the real laws concerning it.
Here is a start
<http://www.discriminationattorney.com/wrongter.shtml>
Only specifically protected items such as race, religion, sex
prevent termination on those items alone. In most states employment is "at
will"
meaning an employer can fire anyone with or without any
reason and for any reason as long as its not protected
under the employment laws.
Might seem strange but it is a protection to employers
for example, you work for AMD but have an Intel
sticker on your car.
For a closer example to what happened here,
a man in GA was fired for having a confederate
flag sticker on his car.
Free speech? Its a great concept but very few people
actually understand what free speech is and what is
protected. Most people apparently take it literally
thinking it means you can say anything. Not true.
Jim
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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16 Sep 2004 08:27:45 AM |
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CJT wrote:
Guardian Pegasus wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
I doubt it's unconstitutional, because government isn't directly
involved. But it's certainly wrong, and might be illegal.
It is illegal, because it is unconstitutional.
The Courts have consistently upheld *as a Constitutional right* the
political speech of employees away from their job. Unless the woman's truck
is used in the day to day business of the company, she has a protected
right to display whatever stickers or signs she wants. Firing her for her
protected speech is a violation of her fundamental civil rights.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The accumulation of all power, legislative,
executive, and judicial in the same hands...
may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny."
- James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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15 Sep 2004 05:47:49 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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15 Sep 2004 06:19:15 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
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15 Sep 2004 06:34:54 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:19:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<g59gk0te905fcc3kpgttfpn1h0k2s99db9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
Yes. Unless the employer can be proved to have discriminated by
firing an employee for the protected reasons of age, religion, or
race, an employer can fire someone 'just because'.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Woman fired for supporting Kerry |
15 Sep 2004 10:32:47 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:19:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<g59gk0te905fcc3kpgttfpn1h0k2s99db9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
Yes. Unless the employer can be proved to have discriminated by
firing an employee for the protected reasons of age, religion, or
race, an employer can fire someone 'just because'.
Oh. Well that's ok then.
[muse]....
You know, in a lot of ways you guys scare the ***** out of me, and then
I recall what Heinlein said about that in the notebooks of Mr Long.
Then I get *really* scared, not so much for me but with respect to
what the US might make the rest of us into.
Well, almost.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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15 Sep 2004 04:59:46 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:32:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<l1bgk0pfoc2kqdjejqflb1svf1l4v8fsr6@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:19:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<g59gk0te905fcc3kpgttfpn1h0k2s99db9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
Yes. Unless the employer can be proved to have discriminated by
firing an employee for the protected reasons of age, religion, or
race, an employer can fire someone 'just because'.
Oh. Well that's ok then.
[muse]....
You know, in a lot of ways you guys scare the ***** out of me, and then
I recall what Heinlein said about that in the notebooks of Mr Long.
Then I get *really* scared, not so much for me but with respect to
what the US might make the rest of us into.
We scare the hell out of me, too. And I don't scare easily.
Well, almost.
I still have hope that logical heads will prevail . . . in the long
run.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Woman fired for supporting Kerry |
16 Sep 2004 02:59:36 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:59:46 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:32:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<l1bgk0pfoc2kqdjejqflb1svf1l4v8fsr6@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:19:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<g59gk0te905fcc3kpgttfpn1h0k2s99db9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
Yes. Unless the employer can be proved to have discriminated by
firing an employee for the protected reasons of age, religion, or
race, an employer can fire someone 'just because'.
Oh. Well that's ok then.
[muse]....
You know, in a lot of ways you guys scare the ***** out of me, and then
I recall what Heinlein said about that in the notebooks of Mr Long.
Then I get *really* scared, not so much for me but with respect to
what the US might make the rest of us into.
We scare the hell out of me, too. And I don't scare easily.
Ha! Bet I'm scarder than you are.
Well, almost.
I still have hope that logical heads will prevail . . . in the long
run.
Alas, I don't think there's much in the way of, erm, president.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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16 Sep 2004 11:39:40 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:59:36 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:59:46 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:32:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<l1bgk0pfoc2kqdjejqflb1svf1l4v8fsr6@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:19:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<g59gk0te905fcc3kpgttfpn1h0k2s99db9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
Yes. Unless the employer can be proved to have discriminated by
firing an employee for the protected reasons of age, religion, or
race, an employer can fire someone 'just because'.
Oh. Well that's ok then.
[muse]....
You know, in a lot of ways you guys scare the ***** out of me, and then
I recall what Heinlein said about that in the notebooks of Mr Long.
Then I get *really* scared, not so much for me but with respect to
what the US might make the rest of us into.
We scare the hell out of me, too. And I don't scare easily.
Ha! Bet I'm scarder than you are.
Well, almost.
I still have hope that logical heads will prevail . . . in the long
run.
Alas, I don't think there's much in the way of, erm, president.
What 'president?' Hand puppets don't qualify.
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16 Sep 2004 11:38:56 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:59:46 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:32:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<l1bgk0pfoc2kqdjejqflb1svf1l4v8fsr6@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:34:54 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:19:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<g59gk0te905fcc3kpgttfpn1h0k2s99db9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
Yes. Unless the employer can be proved to have discriminated by
firing an employee for the protected reasons of age, religion, or
race, an employer can fire someone 'just because'.
Oh. Well that's ok then.
[muse]....
You know, in a lot of ways you guys scare the ***** out of me, and then
I recall what Heinlein said about that in the notebooks of Mr Long.
Then I get *really* scared, not so much for me but with respect to
what the US might make the rest of us into.
We scare the hell out of me, too. And I don't scare easily.
Me, either.
Well, almost.
I still have hope that logical heads will prevail . . . in the long
run.
If humans are still around in 50,000 years.
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16 Sep 2004 05:52:40 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:38:56 -0700, in news message
<thqkk0p2g3f62lvtfg2fop4pvr9fedsld7@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:59:46 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
[-----]
I still have hope that logical heads will prevail . . . in the long
run.
If humans are still around in 50,000 years.
I was hoping for a rather shorter long run.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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17 Sep 2004 08:25:17 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:52:40 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:38:56 -0700, in news message
<thqkk0p2g3f62lvtfg2fop4pvr9fedsld7@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:59:46 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
[-----]
I still have hope that logical heads will prevail . . . in the long
run.
If humans are still around in 50,000 years.
I was hoping for a rather shorter long run.
Ok, 45k.
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15 Sep 2004 09:57:56 AM |
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Liz wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:19:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in news message
<g59gk0te905fcc3kpgttfpn1h0k2s99db9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:47:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehuth1@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:46 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
in news message <bvpfk09sufge4ml0f0hctn5srb3cfj1olg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:34:28 GMT, George Jetson <gjetson@ureach.com>
wrote:
Oh, why is that? I suppose if everything was reversed and the sticker
was a Bush sticker you'd think I was a fuckin' genius.
No, I'd still think it was unconstitutional, severely tightarsed,
antisocial behavior, as well as highly unnecessary and most likely
illegal - at least in developed, civilized countries where workers
have certain rights.
Political expression in the workplace is protected if one is a Federal
employee. Private employers have a much wider latitude to restrict
behaviors of their employees. The State in which she resides may
offer some protection of political expression but, since I believe
that it is Alabama, local protection is doubtful.
So don't you, (nothing personal, I mean in the USA) have this "at
will" employment thing that may have bearing on this case?
Yes. Unless the employer can be proved to have discriminated by
firing an employee for the protected reasons of age, religion, or
race, an employer can fire someone 'just because'.
That's one reason for the existence of unions.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.
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15 Sep 2004 07:16:24 AM |
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I have read this thread with great interest. I have wondered why is
no one mentioning the fact that in some companies union appointed
workers are REQUIRED to attend Democratic political rallies or lose
their appointment? In some auto manufacturing plants no foreign cars
may be driven to and from work? The bottom line is does this woman
have a legal right to have the sign on her car on her employer's
property? What if she had a sign that spouted profanity, was a racial
slur, etc.? Are those okay? Are they merely her right to free speech
or does her employer have the right to determine what will or will not
be on his property?
If we want to look at this issue, it's only fair we look at both sides
of it.
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:13:38 GMT, Bill Baker
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
|>http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040912/sticker.shtml
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|>Moulton woman says she lost job for sporting Kerry sticker on car
|>
|>By Clyde L. Stancil
|>DAILY Staff Writer
|>cstancil@decaturdaily.com · 340-2443
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|>MOULTON -- Lynne Gobbell never imagined the cost of a John Kerry-John
|>Edwards bumper sticker could run so high.
|>
|>Gobbell of Moulton didn't pay a cent for the sticker that she proudly
|>displays on the rear windshield of her Chevrolet Lumina, but said it cost
|>her job at a local factory after it angered her boss, Phil Gaddis.
|>
|>Gaddis, a Decatur bankruptcy attorney, owns Enviromate, a cellulose
|>insulation company in Moulton.
|>
|>Gaddis did not return phone calls from THE DAILY about the alleged
|>Thursday firing.
|>
|>Gobbell said she consulted a lawyer, but then changed her mind about going
|>to see him. She said she has cried about the incident and must do without
|>income for three weeks while the state unemployment commission decides if
|>she is eligible for compensation.
|>
|>Gobbell said she was averaging 50 to 60 hours a week on the plant's
|>bagging machine.
|>
|>"The lady there (at the unemployment commission) said that she has never
|>heard of a firing like this before," Gobbell said.
|>
|>Gobbell gave this account:
|>
|>"We were going back to work from break, and my manager told me that Phil
|>said to remove the sticker off my car or I was fired," she said. "I told
|>him that Phil couldn't tell me who to vote for. He said, 'Go tell him.' "
|>
|>She went to Gaddis' office, knocked on the door and entered on his orders.
|>
|>"Phil and another man who works there were there," she said. "I asked him
|>if he said to remove the sticker and he said, 'Yes, I did.' I told him he
|>couldn't tell me who to vote for. When I told him that, he told me, 'I own
|>this place.' I told him he still couldn't tell me who to vote for."
|>
|>Gobbell said Gaddis told her to "get out of here."
|>
|>"I asked him if I was fired and he told me he was thinking about it," she
|>said. "I said, 'Well, am I fired?' He hollered and said, 'Get out of here
|>and shut the door.' "
|>
|>She said her manager was standing in another room and she asked him if
|>that meant for her to go back to work or go home. The manager told her to
|>go back to work, but he came back a few minutes later and said, " 'I
|>reckon you're fired. You could either work for him or John Kerry,' "
|>Gobbell said.
|>
|>"I took off my gloves and threw them in the garbage and left," Gobbell
|>said.
|>
|>Though she is unemployed and uncertain if she will get her job back,
|>Gobbell said, she doesn't regret her decision to keep the sticker on her
|>windshield.
|>
|>"I would like to find another job, but I would take that job back because
|>I need to work," she said. "It upset me and made me mad that he could put
|>a letter in my check expressing his (political) opinion, but I can't put
|>something on my car expressing mine."
|>
|>She was referring to a flier that she said Gaddis placed in employee
|>envelopes to remind them of the positive impact that President Bush's
|>policies have had on them. An employee at the plant who would not identify
|>himself confirmed the contents of the letter.
|>
|>Gobbell provided a copy of the flier. It says:
|>
|>"Just so you will know, because of the Bush tax (cut):
|>* I was able to buy the new Hammer Mill
|>* I was able to finance our receivables
|>* I was able to get the new CAT skid steer
|>* I was able to get the wire cutter
|>* I was able to give you a job"
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|>It further says:
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|>"You got the benefit of the Bush tax cut. Everyone did."
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| Title: Re: Woman fired for supporting Kerry |
15 Sep 2004 07:42:45 AM |
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"VLH" <haxton@scican.net> wrote in message
news:v8cgk0570q5i18g4r3bn2g8jlltel3jgts@4ax.com...
I have read this thread with great interest. I have wondered why is
no one mentioning the fact that in some companies union appointed
workers are REQUIRED to attend Democratic political rallies or lose
their appointment? In some auto manufacturing plants no foreign cars
may be driven to and from work? The bottom line is does this woman
have a legal right to have the sign on her car on her employer's
property? What if she had a sign that spouted profanity, was a racial
slur, etc.? Are those okay?
Of course not. I really hope you can see the difference between a racial
slur and a political bumper sticker.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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