Religions > Atheism > Woman in So-Called Vegetative State Responds to Commands, Stuns Docs
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Woman in So-Called Vegetative State Responds to Commands, Stuns Docs |
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A 23 year-old British woman is supposedly
in a so-called "vegetative state" after she was hurt in an automobile
accident a year ago. However, she has stunned doctors by responding to
certain commands asked of her and the results have been displayed in brain
imaging showing more is going on in her head than meets the eye.
Although the unnamed woman can't move or speak, she has responded to
sentences spoken to her and even played an imaginary game of tennis in her
head, her doctors say.
The results have all been recorded on a brain scanner and show that disabled
patients like Terri Schiavo or those who are comatose may be much more aware
than they appear.
A team from the Medical Research Council's cognition and Brain Sciences Unit
in Cambridge carried out the research and reported their results in the
medical journal Science.
Their study showed that when the woman was asked to imagine herself playing
tennis or walking through the rooms of her house, her neural responses were
indistinguishable from those of healthy patients.
"Her decision to co-operate... represents a clear act of intention which
confirmed beyond any doubt that she was consciously aware of herself and her
surroundings," the researchers wrote in the Science article.
Adrian Owen, a Cambridge University scientist who led the study, wrote,
"These are very exciting findings. This technique may allow us to identify
which patients have some level of awareness."
Steven Laureys, a neurologist at the University of Liege and co-author of
the study, says the study shows more care needs to be taken before killing
patients like Terri by taking away their food and water.
"From cases in the UK and the US, we know that end-of-life decisions are
extremely important and this will definitely change the way we deal with
these patients," he said. "When you have signs of consciousness, you cannot
decide to stop hydration and nutrition."
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
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Ray Fischer
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10 Sep 2006 05:22:35 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
When Ray Fischer says this, you can be fairly certain that someone said
something true.
Robert B. Winn
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10 Sep 2006 06:45:50 AM |
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wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
When Ray Fischer says this, you can be fairly certain that someone said
something true.
Robert B. Winn
Check the autopsy yourself, genius.
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11 Sep 2006 08:50:39 AM |
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Josh Miles wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
When Ray Fischer says this, you can be fairly certain that someone said
something true.
Robert B. Winn
Check the autopsy yourself, genius.
I have no need to check any autopsy. Autopsies are written by doctors.
Doctors and lawyers say whatever they think will make them the most
money. In the last 50 years they have seen great potential in ending
human lives for money.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Sep 2006 10:41:12 AM |
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<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
When Ray Fischer says this, you can be fairly certain that someone said
something true.
Robert B. Winn
Check the autopsy yourself, genius.
I have no need to check any autopsy. Autopsies are written by doctors.
Doctors and lawyers say whatever they think will make them the most
money.
That's a very serious ACCUSATION you make. Where is your evidence?
Or are you lying about people again?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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12 Sep 2006 09:25:00 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
When Ray Fischer says this, you can be fairly certain that someone said
something true.
Robert B. Winn
Check the autopsy yourself, genius.
I have no need to check any autopsy. Autopsies are written by doctors.
Doctors and lawyers say whatever they think will make them the most
money.
That's a very serious ACCUSATION you make. Where is your evidence?
Or are you lying about people again?
You are pretty niave, aren't you, Ray?
Robert B. Winn
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12 Sep 2006 11:34:04 AM |
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<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
When Ray Fischer says this, you can be fairly certain that someone said
something true.
Robert B. Winn
Check the autopsy yourself, genius.
I have no need to check any autopsy. Autopsies are written by doctors.
Doctors and lawyers say whatever they think will make them the most
money.
That's a very serious ACCUSATION you make. Where is your evidence?
Or are you lying about people again?
You are pretty niave, aren't you, Ray?
Where is your evidence, accuser?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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11 Sep 2006 11:05:53 PM |
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wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave.
People like you, killer?
Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
The autopsy showed you're a liar.
When Ray Fischer says this, you can be fairly certain that someone said
something true.
Robert B. Winn
Check the autopsy yourself, genius.
I have no need to check any autopsy. Autopsies are written by doctors.
Doctors and lawyers say whatever they think will make them the most
money.
Once again, the far right's fear and hatred of science is on display.
In the last 50 years they have seen great potential in ending
human lives for money.
Robert B. Winn
Let's see some evidence.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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10 Sep 2006 03:42:27 PM |
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J Young schrieb:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her =
in
her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Te=
rri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
How about using credible sources for a change, idiot?!?
London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A 23 year-old British woman is supposed=
ly
in a so-called "vegetative state" after she was hurt in an automobile
accident a year ago. However, she has stunned doctors by responding to
certain commands asked of her and the results have been displayed in brain
imaging showing more is going on in her head than meets the eye.
Although the unnamed woman can't move or speak, she has responded to
sentences spoken to her and even played an imaginary game of tennis in her
head, her doctors say.
The results have all been recorded on a brain scanner and show that disab=
led
patients like Terri Schiavo or those who are comatose may be much more aw=
are
than they appear.
A team from the Medical Research Council's cognition and Brain Sciences U=
nit
in Cambridge carried out the research and reported their results in the
medical journal Science.
Their study showed that when the woman was asked to imagine herself playi=
ng
tennis or walking through the rooms of her house, her neural responses we=
re
indistinguishable from those of healthy patients.
"Her decision to co-operate... represents a clear act of intention which
confirmed beyond any doubt that she was consciously aware of herself and =
her
surroundings," the researchers wrote in the Science article.
Adrian Owen, a Cambridge University scientist who led the study, wrote,
"These are very exciting findings. This technique may allow us to identify
which patients have some level of awareness."
Steven Laureys, a neurologist at the University of Liege and co-author of
the study, says the study shows more care needs to be taken before killing
patients like Terri by taking away their food and water.
"From cases in the UK and the US, we know that end-of-life decisions are
extremely important and this will definitely change the way we deal with
these patients," he said. "When you have signs of consciousness, you cann=
ot
decide to stop hydration and nutrition."
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10 Sep 2006 04:16:27 PM |
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Parsifal wrote:
J Young schrieb:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put
her in her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion
that all Terri needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
How about using credible sources for a change, idiot?!?
How about the BBC?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5320234.stm
A patient in a vegetative state can communicate just through using her
thoughts, according to research.
A UK/Belgium team studied a 23-year-old woman who had suffered a severe
brain injury in a road accident, which left her apparently unable to
communicate.
By scanning her brain, they discovered she could understand spoken commands
and even imagine playing tennis.
They said their findings, published in Science, were "startling", but
cautioned this could be a one-off case.
Five months after her accident, which happened in July 2005, the researchers
used functional magnetic resonance imaging (FMRI) to record the woman's
brain activity.
She was diagnosed as being in a vegetative state, which meant even when she
was awake, she was unresponsive.
While her brain was being mapped, the researchers asked her to imagine
simple tasks, such as walking around her home and playing tennis.
Lead scientist Dr Adrian Owen, a neuroscientist from the Medical Research
Council's Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit in Cambridge, said: "The tasks
we chose are based on many years of brain imaging research that shows
different areas of the brain are activated when we perform different kinds
of tasks."
'Indistinguishable'
When the scientists compared her brain activity to that of healthy patients,
who had been asked to carry out the same task, they discovered the patterns
were "indistinguishable".
Dr Owen said: "These are startling results.
"It tells us the patient could understand speech, because of course, we
asked her to do these things. It also tells us that she is able to perform
simple tasks in her head, such as imagining certain scenarios.
"We see this as a proof of principle: we have found a way to show that a
patient is aware when existing clinical methods have been unable to provide
that information."
However, he emphasised that this was a single case and people should not
assume all patients in a vegetative state were consciously aware.
He said: "All vegetative patients are different: they have damage to
different parts of their brains and their chances of recovery are
different."
Fuelling the debate
In an accompanying article in the same journal, Lionel Naccache, of the
Cognitive Neuroimaging Unit in France, said: "Despite the woman's very poor
behavioural status, the FMRI findings indicate this existence of a rich
mental life."
He said there was a strong case for assessing other patients using this
scanning technique, but he added that it was important not to generalise
from one patient.
The finding that vegetative patients may experience awareness of their
surroundings will fuel the ethical and legal arguments that surround some
vegetative state cases.
Last year, a debate raged in America over whether 40-year-old persistent
vegetative state patient Terri Schiavo should be allowed to live or die.
Eventually, following a court decision, her feeding tube was removed on 18
March and she died 13 days later.
Kate Bainbridge, who was initially diagnosed as being in a vegetative state,
but who has since recovered and can communicate through a keyboard, said the
scanning work was very important. She took part in some scanning experiments
from the same team.
She said: "I can remember when I couldn't respond and it was so scary."
She added that doctors should never assume that a patient is not aware.
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10 Sep 2006 10:24:14 PM |
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"Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> wrote in message
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Parsifal wrote:
J Young schrieb:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put
her in her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion
that all Terri needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
How about using credible sources for a change, idiot?!?
How about the BBC?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5320234.stm
A patient in a vegetative state can communicate just through using her
thoughts, according to research.
A UK/Belgium team studied a 23-year-old woman who had suffered a severe
brain injury in a road accident, which left her apparently unable to
communicate.
By scanning her brain, they discovered she could understand spoken
commands
and even imagine playing tennis.
But let's try not to pretend this is about Ms Schiavo, who didn't and
couldn't.
Curt
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11 Sep 2006 02:25:30 PM |
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Curt wrote:
But let's try not to pretend this is about Ms Schiavo, who didn't and
couldn't.
Curt
I wasn't... i just thought the research was interesting.
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11 Sep 2006 08:23:54 PM |
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"Les Hemmings" <les.frontalclaire@lobesvirgin.net> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:
But let's try not to pretend this is about Ms Schiavo, who didn't and
couldn't.
Curt
I wasn't... i just thought the research was interesting.
Fair enough.. the thread started out w/a Schiavo comment, so I just thought
I'd make sure the record stayed straight there..
Curt
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10 Sep 2006 02:58:16 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A 23 year-old British woman is supposedly
in a so-called "vegetative state" after she was hurt in an automobile
accident a year ago. However, she has stunned doctors by responding to
certain commands asked of her and the results have been displayed in brain
imaging showing more is going on in her head than meets the eye.
Although the unnamed woman can't move or speak, she has responded to
sentences spoken to her and even played an imaginary game of tennis in her
head, her doctors say.
The results have all been recorded on a brain scanner and show that disabled
patients like Terri Schiavo or those who are comatose may be much more aware
than they appear.
A team from the Medical Research Council's cognition and Brain Sciences Unit
in Cambridge carried out the research and reported their results in the
medical journal Science.
Their study showed that when the woman was asked to imagine herself playing
tennis or walking through the rooms of her house, her neural responses were
indistinguishable from those of healthy patients.
"Her decision to co-operate... represents a clear act of intention which
confirmed beyond any doubt that she was consciously aware of herself and her
surroundings," the researchers wrote in the Science article.
Adrian Owen, a Cambridge University scientist who led the study, wrote,
"These are very exciting findings. This technique may allow us to identify
which patients have some level of awareness."
Steven Laureys, a neurologist at the University of Liege and co-author of
the study, says the study shows more care needs to be taken before killing
patients like Terri by taking away their food and water.
"From cases in the UK and the US, we know that end-of-life decisions are
extremely important and this will definitely change the way we deal with
these patients," he said. "When you have signs of consciousness, you cannot
decide to stop hydration and nutrition."
Isn't it odd that the left can't wait to kill em in the womb and when
they are like this person. Yet if they are on death row, they carry
signs and scream their heads off to save a murderer. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
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10 Sep 2006 03:27:51 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:58:16 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> let us all know that:
Isn't it odd that the left can't wait to kill em in the womb and when
they are like this person. Yet if they are on death row, they carry
signs and scream their heads off to save a murderer. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
Isn't it odd that the religious reich has no problem killing
people who are not of their religion. They truly are a bunch of sick,
twisted freaks.
Don
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10 Sep 2006 03:12:53 PM |
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Isn't it odd that the right can't wait to kill em on death row. Yet if
they are on in the womb, or when
they are like this person they carry
signs and scream their heads off. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
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| User: "osprey" |
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10 Sep 2006 03:56:02 PM |
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dontprayforme wrote:
Isn't it odd that the right can't wait to kill em on death row. Yet if
they are on in the womb, or when
they are like this person they carry
signs and scream their heads off. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
Isn't it odd that the left can't ever get it right, in regards to
viewpoints on death row.
I could remind you that in many states that has the death penalty, the
primary ruling party is "Democrat". Delaware for example, the state
with the highest death row population "per capita".
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10 Sep 2006 09:23:08 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
dontprayforme wrote:
Isn't it odd that the right can't wait to kill em on death row. Yet if
they are on in the womb, or when
they are like this person they carry
signs and scream their heads off. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
Isn't it odd that the left can't ever get it right,
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Curt" |
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10 Sep 2006 10:48:21 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
dontprayforme wrote:
Isn't it odd that the right can't wait to kill em on death row. Yet if
they are on in the womb, or when
they are like this person they carry
signs and scream their heads off. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
Isn't it odd that the left can't ever get it right,
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
That doesn't describe a single liberal I know.
Isn't that weird?
Curt
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10 Sep 2006 11:22:33 PM |
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Curt <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
dontprayforme wrote:
Isn't it odd that the right can't wait to kill em on death row. Yet if
they are on in the womb, or when
they are like this person they carry
signs and scream their heads off. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
Isn't it odd that the left can't ever get it right,
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
That doesn't describe a single liberal I know.
That's why I referred to Assshole's version of "liberal".
Isn't that weird?
Not in the slightest. Heishman is just a stupid sheep who believes
all of the right-wing propaganda he's fed. He's not even smart enough
to realize that he is the target of all their hate.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Curt" |
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11 Sep 2006 10:40:03 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Curt <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
That doesn't describe a single liberal I know.
That's why I referred to Assshole's version of "liberal".
Isn't that weird?
Not in the slightest. Heishman is just a stupid sheep who believes
all of the right-wing propaganda he's fed. He's not even smart enough
to realize that he is the target of all their hate.
Fair enough. Remember that Reed/Abramoff memo where they were going to get
out the Christian Weirdo vote or something like that? What contempt they
show for their followers, yet their followers continue to.. well.. follow.
Curt
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11 Sep 2006 11:46:27 AM |
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Curt wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Curt <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
That doesn't describe a single liberal I know.
That's why I referred to Assshole's version of "liberal".
Isn't that weird?
Not in the slightest. Heishman is just a stupid sheep who believes
all of the right-wing propaganda he's fed. He's not even smart enough
to realize that he is the target of all their hate.
Fair enough. Remember that Reed/Abramoff memo where they were going to get
out the Christian Weirdo vote or something like that? What contempt they
show for their followers, yet their followers continue to.. well.. follow.
Curt
So, let me get this straight. I am assuming you consider yourself to be
an intelligent person...is that correct? So you are going to just take
the word from someone else, whom you never met or know? Is that how
you operate in life?
First off, I don't believe all the right-wing propaganda that I hear.
It was that type of nonsense that caused me to leave the republican
party to begin with.
Second, I have to wonder about those who talk about "following" like
sheep...and just arbitrarily take the word from someone else without
actually finding out for himself.
I see that a lot in here, especially from people like Fisher, Barnes,
Humphrey, Keegan, and a few others. I would mention another one, but
she changes her alias almost on a daily basis and God only knows who
she will be tomorrow. I think she is going by Emily now or something
like that.
If you want to talk about sheep...watch them. I would have hoped that
you wouldn't have been in the herd..but I am wondering now seeing that
you just take another persons word for something without actually
finding out for yourself.
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In article <1157993186.977205.41930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Curt wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4504e489$0$34572$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Curt <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
That doesn't describe a single liberal I know.
That's why I referred to Assshole's version of "liberal".
Isn't that weird?
Not in the slightest. Heishman is just a stupid sheep who believes
all of the right-wing propaganda he's fed. He's not even smart enough
to realize that he is the target of all their hate.
Fair enough. Remember that Reed/Abramoff memo where they were going to get
out the Christian Weirdo vote or something like that? What contempt they
show for their followers, yet their followers continue to.. well.. follow.
Curt
So, let me get this straight. I am assuming you consider yourself to be
an intelligent person...is that correct? So you are going to just take
the word from someone else, whom you never met or know? Is that how
you operate in life?
I have no doubt he works from personal observation.
First off, I don't believe all the right-wing propaganda that I hear.
It sure doesn't show.
It was that type of nonsense that caused me to leave the republican
party to begin with.
Except you voter registration says otherwise.
Second, I have to wonder about those who talk about "following" like
sheep...and just arbitrarily take the word from someone else without
actually finding out for himself.
That would be you.
I see that a lot in here, especially from people like Fisher, Barnes,
Humphrey, Keegan, and a few others.
Osprey's hate and obsession kicks in.
I would mention another one, but
she changes her alias almost on a daily basis and God only knows who
she will be tomorrow. I think she is going by Emily now or something
like that.
You claimed to be David W. Barnes just yesterday.
If you want to talk about sheep...watch them. I would have hoped that
you wouldn't have been in the herd..but I am wondering now seeing that
you just take another persons word for something without actually
finding out for yourself.
Everyone else is wrong, Osprey is right.
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12 Sep 2006 02:22:10 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1157993186.977205.41930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Curt wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4504e489$0$34572$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Curt <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
That doesn't describe a single liberal I know.
That's why I referred to Assshole's version of "liberal".
Isn't that weird?
Not in the slightest. Heishman is just a stupid sheep who believes
all of the right-wing propaganda he's fed. He's not even smart enough
to realize that he is the target of all their hate.
Fair enough. Remember that Reed/Abramoff memo where they were going to get
out the Christian Weirdo vote or something like that? What contempt they
show for their followers, yet their followers continue to.. well.. follow.
Curt
So, let me get this straight. I am assuming you consider yourself to be
an intelligent person...is that correct? So you are going to just take
the word from someone else, whom you never met or know? Is that how
you operate in life?
I have no doubt he works from personal observation.
First off, I don't believe all the right-wing propaganda that I hear.
It sure doesn't show.
Fools see only what they want to see.
It was that type of nonsense that caused me to leave the republican
party to begin with.
Except you voter registration says otherwise.
Except you don't know what you are looking at. As I said, fools see
what they want to see.
Second, I have to wonder about those who talk about "following" like
sheep...and just arbitrarily take the word from someone else without
actually finding out for himself.
That would be you.
Read above, fool.
I see that a lot in here, especially from people like Fisher, Barnes,
Humphrey, Keegan, and a few others.
Osprey's hate and obsession kicks in.
Read above, fool.
I would mention another one, but
she changes her alias almost on a daily basis and God only knows who
she will be tomorrow. I think she is going by Emily now or something
like that.
You claimed to be David W. Barnes just yesterday.
You claimed to be David W. Barnes yesterday. In the past you have
claimed NOT to be David W. Barnes, and just yesterday you were telling
others that was your name.
If you want to talk about sheep...watch them. I would have hoped that
you wouldn't have been in the herd..but I am wondering now seeing that
you just take another persons word for something without actually
finding out for yourself.
Everyone else is wrong, Osprey is right.
Read above, fool.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Woman in So-Called Vegetative State Responds to Commands, Stuns Docs |
12 Sep 2006 10:03:12 AM |
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In article <1158045730.916580.28530@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1157993186.977205.41930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Curt wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4504e489$0$34572$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Curt <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:
You don't even realize that YOU are one of those "liberals" you
like to
wine about. You live off of the government, barely doing a useful
job, have no morals at all, and show contempt for everybody else.
That doesn't describe a single liberal I know.
That's why I referred to Assshole's version of "liberal".
Isn't that weird?
Not in the slightest. Heishman is just a stupid sheep who believes
all of the right-wing propaganda he's fed. He's not even smart enough
to realize that he is the target of all their hate.
Fair enough. Remember that Reed/Abramoff memo where they were going to
get
out the Christian Weirdo vote or something like that? What contempt they
show for their followers, yet their followers continue to.. well..
follow.
Curt
So, let me get this straight. I am assuming you consider yourself to be
an intelligent person...is that correct? So you are going to just take
the word from someone else, whom you never met or know? Is that how
you operate in life?
I have no doubt he works from personal observation.
First off, I don't believe all the right-wing propaganda that I hear.
It sure doesn't show.
Fools see only what they want to see.
Well you are proof of that.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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10 Sep 2006 09:57:38 PM |
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osprey schrieb:
dontprayforme wrote:
Isn't it odd that the right can't wait to kill em on death row. Yet if
they are on in the womb, or when
they are like this person they carry
signs and scream their heads off. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
Isn't it odd that the left can't ever get it right, in regards to
viewpoints on death row.
I could remind you that in many states that has the death penalty, the
primary ruling party is "Democrat". Delaware for example, the state
with the highest death row population "per capita".
And since when are "democrats", "leftists"
For the rest of the world, "democrats" are just a little less to the
right than the republicans. In most of European countries, the
"democrats" would be called "conservative"...
Isn't it about time that you stop reading the American propaganda and
start reading real newspapers, real magazines and start travelling a
bit?!?
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Woman in So-Called Vegetative State Responds to Commands, Stuns Docs |
10 Sep 2006 03:54:40 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
J Young wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A 23 year-old British woman is supposedly
in a so-called "vegetative state" after she was hurt in an automobile
accident a year ago. However, she has stunned doctors by responding to
certain commands asked of her and the results have been displayed in brain
imaging showing more is going on in her head than meets the eye.
Although the unnamed woman can't move or speak, she has responded to
sentences spoken to her and even played an imaginary game of tennis in her
head, her doctors say.
The results have all been recorded on a brain scanner and show that disabled
patients like Terri Schiavo or those who are comatose may be much more aware
than they appear.
A team from the Medical Research Council's cognition and Brain Sciences Unit
in Cambridge carried out the research and reported their results in the
medical journal Science.
Their study showed that when the woman was asked to imagine herself playing
tennis or walking through the rooms of her house, her neural responses were
indistinguishable from those of healthy patients.
"Her decision to co-operate... represents a clear act of intention which
confirmed beyond any doubt that she was consciously aware of herself and her
surroundings," the researchers wrote in the Science article.
Adrian Owen, a Cambridge University scientist who led the study, wrote,
"These are very exciting findings. This technique may allow us to identify
which patients have some level of awareness."
Steven Laureys, a neurologist at the University of Liege and co-author of
the study, says the study shows more care needs to be taken before killing
patients like Terri by taking away their food and water.
"From cases in the UK and the US, we know that end-of-life decisions are
extremely important and this will definitely change the way we deal with
these patients," he said. "When you have signs of consciousness, you cannot
decide to stop hydration and nutrition."
Isn't it odd that the left can't wait to kill em in the womb and when
they are like this person. Yet if they are on death row, they carry
signs and scream their heads off to save a murderer. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
When they are in the womb, they arem, except for the last coupla weeks,
not alive. Schiavo was already dead, it's just her body was being run
by machines as a cruel and degrading automata.
So we aren't talking about killing.
As for death row, thankfully, we don't have that here (in England)
Among those sent to die are those who are innocent. One innocent detah
is too many, if you can't reform them, then whole lfie sentencing, not
stooping to another murder.
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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10 Sep 2006 04:52:54 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157921679.997280.308880@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
J Young wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put
her in
her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all
Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A 23 year-old British woman is
supposedly
in a so-called "vegetative state" after she was hurt in an automobile
accident a year ago. However, she has stunned doctors by responding to
certain commands asked of her and the results have been displayed in
brain
imaging showing more is going on in her head than meets the eye.
Although the unnamed woman can't move or speak, she has responded to
sentences spoken to her and even played an imaginary game of tennis in
her
head, her doctors say.
The results have all been recorded on a brain scanner and show that
disabled
patients like Terri Schiavo or those who are comatose may be much more
aware
than they appear.
A team from the Medical Research Council's cognition and Brain Sciences
Unit
in Cambridge carried out the research and reported their results in the
medical journal Science.
Their study showed that when the woman was asked to imagine herself
playing
tennis or walking through the rooms of her house, her neural responses
were
indistinguishable from those of healthy patients.
"Her decision to co-operate... represents a clear act of intention
which
confirmed beyond any doubt that she was consciously aware of herself
and her
surroundings," the researchers wrote in the Science article.
Adrian Owen, a Cambridge University scientist who led the study, wrote,
"These are very exciting findings. This technique may allow us to
identify
which patients have some level of awareness."
Steven Laureys, a neurologist at the University of Liege and co-author
of
the study, says the study shows more care needs to be taken before
killing
patients like Terri by taking away their food and water.
"From cases in the UK and the US, we know that end-of-life decisions
are
extremely important and this will definitely change the way we deal
with
these patients," he said. "When you have signs of consciousness, you
cannot
decide to stop hydration and nutrition."
Isn't it odd that the left can't wait to kill em in the womb and when
they are like this person. Yet if they are on death row, they carry
signs and scream their heads off to save a murderer. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
When they are in the womb, they arem, except for the last coupla weeks,
not alive.
Not alive until the last couple of weeks? So, dead things grow?
My sons mother has diabetes, so her pregnancies are extremely high risk.
She was having ultrasounds every other week from a very early stage.
Funny thing about your "not alive except for the last coupla weeks" as I
could
see my son move on the ultrasounds and when his mother felt him kicking
she had me put my hand on her abdomen and I felt the kicking.
That's impressive for a dead thing to do.
Schiavo was already dead,
Not even close.
it's just her body was being run
by machines as a cruel and degrading automata.
No, she had a feeding tube only. She was not on any machines. Once the
feeding tube was removed she died within several days from dehydration.
So we aren't talking about killing.
You need to have your facts straight before you say such things.
As for death row, thankfully, we don't have that here (in England)
Among those sent to die are those who are innocent. One innocent detah
is too many, if you can't reform them, then whole lfie sentencing, not
stooping to another murder.
On this we agree partially. I believe there needs to be overwhelming
evidence,
including positive DNA evidence and/or eyewitnesses. We can't be sentencing
people to death without absolute proof of their guilt.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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| Title: Re: Woman in So-Called Vegetative State Responds to Commands, StunsDocs |
10 Sep 2006 04:15:01 PM |
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Lucifer wrote:
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
J Young wrote:
Unfortunately for Terri Schiavo, certain people couldn't wait to put her in
her grave. Time and again, events occur confirming the notion that all Terri
needed was a little more love and a little more time.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1757.html
London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A 23 year-old British woman is supposedly
in a so-called "vegetative state" after she was hurt in an automobile
accident a year ago. However, she has stunned doctors by responding to
certain commands asked of her and the results have been displayed in brain
imaging showing more is going on in her head than meets the eye.
Although the unnamed woman can't move or speak, she has responded to
sentences spoken to her and even played an imaginary game of tennis in her
head, her doctors say.
The results have all been recorded on a brain scanner and show that disabled
patients like Terri Schiavo or those who are comatose may be much more aware
than they appear.
A team from the Medical Research Council's cognition and Brain Sciences Unit
in Cambridge carried out the research and reported their results in the
medical journal Science.
Their study showed that when the woman was asked to imagine herself playing
tennis or walking through the rooms of her house, her neural responses were
indistinguishable from those of healthy patients.
"Her decision to co-operate... represents a clear act of intention which
confirmed beyond any doubt that she was consciously aware of herself and her
surroundings," the researchers wrote in the Science article.
Adrian Owen, a Cambridge University scientist who led the study, wrote,
"These are very exciting findings. This technique may allow us to identify
which patients have some level of awareness."
Steven Laureys, a neurologist at the University of Liege and co-author of
the study, says the study shows more care needs to be taken before killing
patients like Terri by taking away their food and water.
"From cases in the UK and the US, we know that end-of-life decisions are
extremely important and this will definitely change the way we deal with
these patients," he said. "When you have signs of consciousness, you cannot
decide to stop hydration and nutrition."
Isn't it odd that the left can't wait to kill em in the womb and when
they are like this person. Yet if they are on death row, they carry
signs and scream their heads off to save a murderer. They truly are a
bunch of sick twisted seditious freaks.
When they are in the womb, they arem, except for the last coupla weeks,
not alive. Schiavo was already dead, it's just her body was being run
by machines as a cruel and degrading automata.
So we aren't talking about killing.
As for death row, thankfully, we don't have that here (in England)
Among those sent to die are those who are innocent. One innocent detah
is too many, if you can't reform them, then whole lfie sentencing, not
stooping to another murder.
But you do have train station bombings. They going to get to live out
their lives unlike those they took? With the citizens of england paying
the bill? Hope you think it's worth keeping them alive. I am sure they
are laughing at you every night they go to sleep.
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| User: "Curt" |
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10 Sep 2006 05:01:51 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
As for death row, thankfully, we don't have that here (in England)
Among those sent to die are those who are innocent. One innocent detah
is too many, if you can't reform them, then whole lfie sentencing, not
stooping to another murder.
But you do have train station bombings. They going to get to live out
their lives unlike those they took? With the citizens of england paying
the bill? Hope you think it's worth keeping them alive. I am sure they
are laughing at you every night they go to sleep.
Oh, I doubt that very much.
Curt
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