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03 Feb 2004 01:35:14 PM |
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Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy |
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged. The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
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Keeping up with issues related to WCG and it's splinters... for a very very
long time now...
* Ambassador Watch *
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~gavinru/watch.htm
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy |
03 Feb 2004 04:00:03 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in
news:29345346276bf57ef3bfcc59158df604@news.secureusenet.com:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body
has been featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her
infant son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy
If the prophecy was "you'll spend the rest of your life in prison," then
I'd say she succeeded.
--
Terry Austin
taustin@hyperbooks.com
www.hyperbooks.com
Roleplaying Stuff
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Feb 2004 11:04:34 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> posted in
alt.atheism:
The jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
If they were out for more than the time it took to close the door and
say, "Guilty!", there's something seriously wrong.
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"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy |
07 Feb 2004 01:59:15 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged. The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
I don't know anything about that "splinter" group, but the reality is
there have been children in North America who have died during
unofficial Roman Catholic exorcisms in recent years. So that story
hardly reflects the true nature of the WCG.
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The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists.
That is why they invented hell. - Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive andemotional fog"! |
07 Feb 2004 03:32:58 PM |
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Harry Back wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged. The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
I don't know anything about that "splinter" group, but the reality is
there have been children in North America who have died during
unofficial Roman Catholic exorcisms in recent years. So that story
hardly reflects the true nature of the WCG.
===>The article says:
'Forensic psychologist Charlotte Denton,
who examined Robidoux several times at
Taunton State Hospital,
testified Monday that Robidoux was
"in a cognitive and emotional fog"'
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
SEE:
"WCG and Splinter Groups Are Destroyers
of Mind, Body and Soul"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/child/story/dstroyrs.htm
"What is the Philadelphia Church of God?"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/mike_ep/pcg/what_is.htm
etc. -- L.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
08 Feb 2004 12:45:40 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive andemotional fog"! |
08 Feb 2004 10:33:56 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
10 Feb 2004 01:53:29 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science, therefore one must have
faith in order to make the connection. Nothing wrong with that.
--
Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
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| User: "Icarus" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
10 Feb 2004 10:00:03 AM |
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Harry Back wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like
the WCG, the PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a
cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than
others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are
invisible to the senses and not provable by science, therefore
one must have faith in order to make the connection. Nothing
wrong with that.
In other fields of life, 'faith' (i.e. belief in the absence of
any tangible evidence) is not considered very smart. Would you
rely on faith in buying a used car, or would you check it out
first? Would you rely on faith when you take to the air in a
plane, or would you carry out pre-flight checks first? Would you
rely on faith when crossing the road, or would you look first? I
think in most cases you would agree that faith is not the
smartest strategy. Why do you think faith is reliable when it
comes to supposed 'spiritual' things?
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
12 Feb 2004 05:37:35 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:00:03 -0000, "Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com>
wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like
the WCG, the PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a
cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than
others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are
invisible to the senses and not provable by science, therefore
one must have faith in order to make the connection. Nothing
wrong with that.
In other fields of life, 'faith' (i.e. belief in the absence of
any tangible evidence) is not considered very smart. Would you
rely on faith in buying a used car, or would you check it out
first? Would you rely on faith when you take to the air in a
plane, or would you carry out pre-flight checks first? Would you
rely on faith when crossing the road, or would you look first? I
think in most cases you would agree that faith is not the
smartest strategy. Why do you think faith is reliable when it
comes to supposed 'spiritual' things?
What you say is true. But it's also true that people must have faith
in themselves to accomplish great goals. People must also have faith
in relationships, whether friendships or a higher form of love.
It would seem all the "higher" things of this realm demand you to have
faith in them.
So when differentiating between the worldly and the spiritual or the
temporal with the eternal one needs faith because there is no proof
that it exists, and no proof it doesn't... But there are many things
that can make a person believe the spiritual exists and many things
that can make a person believe that it does not.
So it's all a matter of faith - for whatever it's worth.
--
Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
12 Feb 2004 01:56:25 PM |
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Harry Back <nospam@ty.com> wrote in message news:<qfom20ds2ol9n6rfriqv6fjh66qs04jtm6@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:00:03 -0000, "Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com>
wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like
the WCG, the PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a
cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than
others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are
invisible to the senses and not provable by science, therefore
one must have faith in order to make the connection. Nothing
wrong with that.
In other fields of life, 'faith' (i.e. belief in the absence of
any tangible evidence) is not considered very smart. Would you
rely on faith in buying a used car, or would you check it out
first? Would you rely on faith when you take to the air in a
plane, or would you carry out pre-flight checks first? Would you
rely on faith when crossing the road, or would you look first? I
think in most cases you would agree that faith is not the
smartest strategy. Why do you think faith is reliable when it
comes to supposed 'spiritual' things?
What you say is true. But it's also true that people must have faith
in themselves to accomplish great goals. People must also have faith
in relationships, whether friendships or a higher form of love.
So would you marry a mail order bride on faith?
We gain faith in or friends and family from
past evidence of love, trust and achievements.
But there never is evidence to begin with that there
is a God.
It would seem all the "higher" things of this realm demand you to have
faith in them.
No, see above. Also the fields of medicine and science, which
I consider quite *high*, do not require any faith at all.
Larry
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| User: "emmanuel goldstein" |
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14 Feb 2004 07:11:52 AM |
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On 12 Feb 2004 11:56:25 -0800, (Lawrence
Seib) wrote:
Harry Back <nospam@ty.com> wrote in message news:<qfom20ds2ol9n6rfriqv6fjh66qs04jtm6@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:00:03 -0000, "Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com>
wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like
the WCG, the PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a
cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than
others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are
invisible to the senses and not provable by science, therefore
one must have faith in order to make the connection. Nothing
wrong with that.
In other fields of life, 'faith' (i.e. belief in the absence of
any tangible evidence) is not considered very smart. Would you
rely on faith in buying a used car, or would you check it out
first? Would you rely on faith when you take to the air in a
plane, or would you carry out pre-flight checks first? Would you
rely on faith when crossing the road, or would you look first? I
think in most cases you would agree that faith is not the
smartest strategy. Why do you think faith is reliable when it
comes to supposed 'spiritual' things?
What you say is true. But it's also true that people must have faith
in themselves to accomplish great goals. People must also have faith
in relationships, whether friendships or a higher form of love.
So would you marry a mail order bride on faith?
It would take a lot of faith for that!!
We gain faith in or friends and family from
past evidence of love, trust and achievements.
Do you take a scientific approach to relationships?
But there never is evidence to begin with that there
is a God.
Yes, no evidence - well at least not in the scientific sense.
It would seem all the "higher" things of this realm demand you to have
faith in them.
No, see above. Also the fields of medicine and science, which
I consider quite *high*, do not require any faith at all.
Yes I never implied science and medicine are based on faith.
But I've been thinking about it and it seems to me there are a lot of
times when a person needs faith in something. (And I'm not talking
about God, but just about everyday life.)
But that's the thing about faith - there is no proof and there is
nothing to prove.
Consider it lame if you will. Maybe you're right or maybe you're
wrong.
--
It's a beautiful world -
for you, not me.
Devo, Rage
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10 Feb 2004 08:28:59 AM |
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In article <i43h20pipfeoq755i57sur2rkbg2isk7hk@4ax.com>, Harry Back says...
snip
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science, therefore one must have
faith in order to make the connection. Nothing wrong with that.
And, there's no evidence which proves this either.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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12 Feb 2004 05:02:50 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:28:59 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
In article <i43h20pipfeoq755i57sur2rkbg2isk7hk@4ax.com>, Harry Back says...
snip
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science, therefore one must have
faith in order to make the connection. Nothing wrong with that.
And, there's no evidence which proves this either.
Yes that is true. There is nothing wrong with it as long as people
don't oppress or kill other people in the name of faith (or whatever
one calls a religion.)
But just because people do evil in the name of their religion doesn't
mean religion is evil. Fact is the ethical standards of Christianity
as mentioned in the NT are fairly high. People are to love their
neighbor (everyone else) as they do themselves and obey the laws of
the land. The are also not to be judmental.
So if people have given Christianity a bad name it is because they
weren't following it.
--
Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
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12 Feb 2004 07:41:36 AM |
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Harry Back wrote:
Fact is the ethical standards of Christianity
as mentioned in the NT are fairly high.
Fact is the law of the land is not of a high ethical standard.
People are to love their neighbor (everyone else) as they do
themselves and obey the laws of the land.
Says who?
So if people have given Christianity a bad name it is because they
weren't following it.
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Rebels are we
So you don't obey any laws?
Now let's check out what the Apostles of Christ said about
obeying the authorities:
Acts 5:
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
"We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
whom you slew and hanged on a tree."
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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12 Feb 2004 10:47:42 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:41:36 -0500, cantcy <noratz99@aol.com> wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
Fact is the ethical standards of Christianity
as mentioned in the NT are fairly high.
Fact is the law of the land is not of a high ethical standard.
Yes, but one can obey the laws and still have higher ethical
standards.
People are to love their neighbor (everyone else) as they do
themselves and obey the laws of the land.
Says who?
Paul
Romans 13
1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities.
For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are
established by God.
So if people have given Christianity a bad name it is because they
weren't following it.
--
Rebels are we
So you don't obey any laws?
Actually that's just a thing Woody Allen included in 2 of his movies,
Sleeper and Bananas. I love silly humour... :p
But one can still be a rebel and obey the law...
Now let's check out what the Apostles of Christ said about
obeying the authorities:
Acts 5:
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
"We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
whom you slew and hanged on a tree."
Ah yes that is the exception. One must have the freedom of religion.
Christianity became illegal in the Roman Empire starting with 666
(Caesar Neron) which lasted 250 years until Emperor Constantine, a
non-Christian, made Christianity the religion of Babylon (the Roman
Empire.)
It's really horrible that Christian martyrs died for religious freedom
and Church fathers pleaded for it, yet when the mainstream Christians
came to power in the Roman Empire in the 4th century CE they
persecuted all other forms of religion out of existence, whether
"pagan" or Christian "heretical"...
But they obviouly don't represent true Christian teachings.
--
Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
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12 Feb 2004 02:18:37 PM |
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Ah yes that is the exception. One must have the freedom of religion.
Christianity became illegal in the Roman Empire starting with 666
(Caesar Neron) which lasted 250 years until Emperor Constantine, a
non-Christian, made Christianity the religion of Babylon (the Roman
Empire.)
It's really horrible that Christian martyrs died for religious freedom
and Church fathers pleaded for it, yet when the mainstream Christians
came to power in the Roman Empire in the 4th century CE they
persecuted all other forms of religion out of existence, whether
"pagan" or Christian "heretical"...
But they obviouly don't represent true Christian teachings.
And the bagpipes are warming up!!!
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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10 Feb 2004 10:46:05 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:53:29 -0500, Harry Back <nospam@ty.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science
And can't have any effect on reality, since the universe is a closed
system.
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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12 Feb 2004 07:40:50 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:46:05 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:53:29 -0500, Harry Back <nospam@ty.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science
And can't have any effect on reality, since the universe is a closed
system.
Is that a scientific fact?
--
Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
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11 Feb 2004 09:21:25 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:53:29 -0500, Harry Back <nospam@ty.com>, Message
ID: <i43h20pipfeoq755i57sur2rkbg2isk7hk@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science, therefore one must have
faith in order to make the connection. Nothing wrong with that.
Not as long as religion is kept the private matter "Jesus" states.
However, when 'Pharises" seek to turn a supposed 'representational
democracy' into a theocratic totalitarian state such is indeed very very
wrong.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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12 Feb 2004 09:17:52 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:21:25 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:53:29 -0500, Harry Back <nospam@ty.com>, Message
ID: <i43h20pipfeoq755i57sur2rkbg2isk7hk@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science, therefore one must have
faith in order to make the connection. Nothing wrong with that.
Not as long as religion is kept the private matter "Jesus" states.
Yeah Jesus spoke in metaphors so most people wouldn't understand what
he was saying, except for those whom the Spirit of God would give
understanding to (according to his belief system.)
So it is certainly wrong to force people to believe in Christianity,
that is against its core principles. (Although that is what happened
historically in the West.)
However, when 'Pharises" seek to turn a supposed 'representational
democracy' into a theocratic totalitarian state such is indeed very very
wrong.
I take it you are talking about modern day Israel and the Jewish
fundamentalist extremists who have way too much power in Israel's form
of representational democracy?
Yeah they are just as odious as any other brand of fundamentalists. (I
hear that they will throw stones at your car if you drive on the
Sabbath in certain parts of Israel largely populated by Ultra-Orthodox
Jews. OMG!! What a bunch of worthless assholes!)
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Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Feb 2004 08:52:17 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:17:52 -0500, Harry Back <nospam@ty.com>, Message
ID: <7j5n2053jjtnjocbhdiiema9gjjm76i7tt@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:21:25 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:53:29 -0500, Harry Back <nospam@ty.com>, Message
ID: <i43h20pipfeoq755i57sur2rkbg2isk7hk@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:33:56 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> posted in alt.atheism:
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
And that's different from other religions how?
===>They are not all created equal. SOme are more foggy than others.
However, it applies equally that
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. -- L.
No not really. The fact is the spiritual realm and God are invisible
to the senses and not provable by science, therefore one must have
faith in order to make the connection. Nothing wrong with that.
Not as long as religion is kept the private matter "Jesus" states.
Yeah Jesus spoke in metaphors so most people wouldn't understand what
he was saying, except for those whom the Spirit of God would give
understanding to (according to his belief system.)
Clearly the 'Spirit of God' is anything but reliable since 'it' tells
different people different things on the same subjects.
So it is certainly wrong to force people to believe in Christianity,
that is against its core principles. (Although that is what happened
historically in the West.)
The only 'principle' Christianity has is unthinking obediance.
However, when 'Pharises" seek to turn a supposed 'representational
democracy' into a theocratic totalitarian state such is indeed very very
wrong.
I take it you are talking about modern day Israel and the Jewish
fundamentalist extremists who have way too much power in Israel's form
of representational democracy?
Nope. I'm talking about the U.S.A, where I reside.
Yeah they are just as odious as any other brand of fundamentalists. (I
hear that they will throw stones at your car if you drive on the
Sabbath in certain parts of Israel largely populated by Ultra-Orthodox
Jews. OMG!! What a bunch of worthless assholes!)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
08 Feb 2004 03:44:56 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged. The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
I don't know anything about that "splinter" group, but the reality is
there have been children in North America who have died during
unofficial Roman Catholic exorcisms in recent years. So that story
hardly reflects the true nature of the WCG.
===>The article says:
'Forensic psychologist Charlotte Denton,
who examined Robidoux several times at
Taunton State Hospital,
testified Monday that Robidoux was
"in a cognitive and emotional fog"'
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
Especially? How about the American Christian fundies who want to
outlaw abortion and remove the teaching of evolution in the classroom?
There are also extremist Roman Catholics.
The teachings I have received from the WCG have really opened my mind
to a lot of concepts in the Bible which the traditional Christian
religions seem to have forgotten about. (Although I don't agree with
everything they have to say - like following some aspects of the Law
of Moses, which the writers of the NT were against.) They haven't put
me in a congnitive and emotional fog. And I doubt the WCG has the same
extremist views of "The Body"...
Know what the definition of a "cult" is? It's a religious organization
without any political power. You should go to a Christian Pentecostal
church service and watch them "speak in tongues" and then call some
other religion a "cult". (BTW, I learned from the WCG that "speaking
in tongues" in Acts means speaking in a valid foreign language, which
is certainly what the text states.)
SEE:
"WCG and Splinter Groups Are Destroyers
of Mind, Body and Soul"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/child/story/dstroyrs.htm
OMG!
"What is the Philadelphia Church of God?"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/mike_ep/pcg/what_is.htm
etc. -- L.
--
The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists.
That is why they invented hell. - Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive andemotional fog"! |
08 Feb 2004 10:39:08 AM |
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Harry Back wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged. The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
I don't know anything about that "splinter" group, but the reality is
there have been children in North America who have died during
unofficial Roman Catholic exorcisms in recent years. So that story
hardly reflects the true nature of the WCG.
===>The article says:
'Forensic psychologist Charlotte Denton,
who examined Robidoux several times at
Taunton State Hospital,
testified Monday that Robidoux was
"in a cognitive and emotional fog"'
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
Especially? How about the American Christian fundies who want to
outlaw abortion and remove the teaching of evolution in the classroom?
There are also extremist Roman Catholics.
===>Some are foggier than others. However,
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE
The teachings I have received from the WCG have really opened my mind
to a lot of concepts in the Bible which the traditional Christian
religions seem to have forgotten about. (Although I don't agree with
everything they have to say - like following some aspects of the Law
of Moses, which the writers of the NT were against.) They haven't put
me in a congnitive and emotional fog. And I doubt the WCG has the same
extremist views of "The Body"...
Know what the definition of a "cult" is? It's a religious organization
without any political power. You should go to a Christian Pentecostal
church service and watch them "speak in tongues" and then call some
other religion a "cult". (BTW, I learned from the WCG that "speaking
in tongues" in Acts means speaking in a valid foreign language, which
is certainly what the text states.)
===>They ALL start you off by getting you to accept the BIG LIE:
that the literature compiled in the Bible is "The Word of God".
Once you swallow THAT bait, you are hooked, and they can lead you
to THEIR chosen verses and interpretations, of which there are HUNDREDS.
SEE:
"WCG and Splinter Groups Are Destroyers
of Mind, Body and Soul"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/child/story/dstroyrs.htm
OMG!
"What is the Philadelphia Church of God?"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/mike_ep/pcg/what_is.htm
etc. -- L.
--
The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists.
That is why they invented hell. - Bertrand Russell
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
08 Feb 2004 08:34:31 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:4026662C.394C4362@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
===>Some are foggier than others. However,
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~gavinru/watch.htm
Robidoux outcome: Karen Robidoux "was cleared of murder charges Tuesday but
convicted of assault and battery for starving her infant son to death to
fulfill a prophecy." Full story here.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/04/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
Stan the Man: Once upon a time (April 1979 actually) WCG's Stanley Rader
agreed to a 60 Minutes interview with Mike Wallace. It was a poor decision,
as it turned out, confirming for many that the lawyer was a Rasputin-like
figure exercising control over the aging "apostle" he lionized. The audio of
that program is now available for download courtesy of the Painful Truth
site.
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
10 Feb 2004 01:58:12 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:39:08 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Harry Back wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged. The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
I don't know anything about that "splinter" group, but the reality is
there have been children in North America who have died during
unofficial Roman Catholic exorcisms in recent years. So that story
hardly reflects the true nature of the WCG.
===>The article says:
'Forensic psychologist Charlotte Denton,
who examined Robidoux several times at
Taunton State Hospital,
testified Monday that Robidoux was
"in a cognitive and emotional fog"'
In fact ALL fundamentalist sectarians, especially ones like the WCG, the
PCG, "The Body", etc. are sunken "in a cognitive and emotional fog".
Especially? How about the American Christian fundies who want to
outlaw abortion and remove the teaching of evolution in the classroom?
There are also extremist Roman Catholics.
===>Some are foggier than others. However,
FAITH IS A SACERDOTALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE
The teachings I have received from the WCG have really opened my mind
to a lot of concepts in the Bible which the traditional Christian
religions seem to have forgotten about. (Although I don't agree with
everything they have to say - like following some aspects of the Law
of Moses, which the writers of the NT were against.) They haven't put
me in a congnitive and emotional fog. And I doubt the WCG has the same
extremist views of "The Body"...
Know what the definition of a "cult" is? It's a religious organization
without any political power. You should go to a Christian Pentecostal
church service and watch them "speak in tongues" and then call some
other religion a "cult". (BTW, I learned from the WCG that "speaking
in tongues" in Acts means speaking in a valid foreign language, which
is certainly what the text states.)
===>They ALL start you off by getting you to accept the BIG LIE:
that the literature compiled in the Bible is "The Word of God".
Once you swallow THAT bait, you are hooked, and they can lead you
to THEIR chosen verses and interpretations, of which there are HUNDREDS.
I believe the Bible is inspired by God but it's not infallible because
it's written by men. I think one needs to believe with conscience and
faith to see what's true and what's absurd.
SEE:
"WCG and Splinter Groups Are Destroyers
of Mind, Body and Soul"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/child/story/dstroyrs.htm
OMG!
"What is the Philadelphia Church of God?"
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/mike_ep/pcg/what_is.htm
etc. -- L.
--
The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists.
That is why they invented hell. - Bertrand Russell
--
Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Woman starving baby to death because of prophecy -- "cognitive and emotional fog"! |
10 Feb 2004 06:51:55 AM |
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"Harry Back" <nospam@ty.com> wrote in message
news:7k3h20dnk716v2a9ltcbvbmf7g3jmvhm2r@4ax.com...
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Rebels are we
Born to be free
Just like the fish in the sea
The only thing more free than the fish,
are those worms found dangling on hooks by fishermen.
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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03 Feb 2004 04:29:04 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged. The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
The reasons for committing a murder don't matter as far a quilt or
innocence is concerned - except for self defence or similar.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "TCS" |
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03 Feb 2004 03:04:17 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:35:14 GMT, sharon <> wrote:
Robidoux cult in spotlight: The WCG-related splinter group The Body has been
featured in recent news reports. This item was carried by AP.
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) The lawyer for a woman accused of starving her infant
son to death to fulfill a religious prophesy said Monday that she was a
victim of her domineering husband, and of the splinter sect to which they
both belonged.
So what? She killer her baby and murder is illegal in the state of
massachuesettes. It doesn't matter if her broke her bones on a daily basis.
The prosecutor countered that the real victim was Samuel
Robidoux, the baby who died in 1999 just shy of his first birthday after
slowly wasting away for months while his parents withheld solid food. The
jury began deliberations Monday afternoon in the trial of Karen Robidoux...
And CNN is carrying the full report on their website:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/embattled.sect.ap/index.html
--
Keeping up with issues related to WCG and it's splinters... for a very very
long time now...
* Ambassador Watch *
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~gavinru/watch.htm
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