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User: "J Young"
Date: 06 Mar 2006 02:54:33 PM
Object: Women drivers 'miss warning signs'
Ladies, by now you all know that I'm on your side when it comes to most
issues. Driving however, is another story. My experience with most women is
that they cannot drive ( everybody knows some woman who can drive as well as
any man, but the fact is most can't ) To be fair,there are some things a
woman can do better than their male counterparts; for example, a man cannot
care for an infant as well as a woman. I know there are times when driving
is a necessity but please, if any other mode of transport is possible
ladies, use it.
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/206/206566_women_drivers_miss_warning_signs.html
WOMEN drivers are dashboard dunces when it comes to recognising warning
symbols in their cars.
New research shows that one in two hasn't the foggiest idea of what some
dashboard signs mean.
Despite the average motorist spending 360 hours a year behind the wheel, as
many as 42 per cent of motorists cannot identify common dashboard symbols,
according to the poll by AA Personal Loans.
Almost half of women and one third of men could not correctly identify
symbols for frequently used functions or basic warning lights.
The revelations show that 39 per cent of women and 28 per cent of men were
unable to correctly identify the warning lamp for the main beam headlight
warning lamp suggesting that they may regularly unwittingly dazzle oncoming
traffic.
Two thirds of women could not correctly identify the front windscreen washer
and wipe symbol, one in five admitting they had no idea what it signified,
compared to one in 20 men.
Just 38 per cent of women compared to 65 per cent of men were able to
correctly identify the warning lamp indicating high coolant temperature -
yet ignoring this could lead to engine damage.
Twelve per cent of women and seven per cent of men admitted they had no idea
what the handbrake warning light was. A third of women drivers wrongly
identified this symbol, compared to just on in five men.
More than two thirds of women and 44 per cent of men could not correctly
identify the rear fog light symbol, with one in five women admitting to
having no idea what it meant.
The most commonly identified symbol in the survey was the oil pressure
warning lamp.
A total of 85 per cent correctly identified this symbol, but women still
lagged behind men with 78 per cent being correctly able to identify this
symbol, compared to 91 per cent of men.
Lloyd East, ofAA Financial Services, said: "More women than men are now
buying second-hand motors.
"It's worrying so many female motorists are in the dark over some of the
most common dashboard symbols."
--
" The truth shall set you free "
.

User: "Andre Lieven"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 09 Mar 2006 12:41:45 PM
"Arthur Stone" (arthur-stoned@bigot.*****) displays his INabilities:

Andre Lieven wrote:

"Arthur Stone" (arthur-dumber-than-a-stone@misandrist.cow) trolls:

Andre Lieven wrote:

Not according to... *women*...

See the single by choice mommyhood rates, moron.


When *moron* shows up I feel my work is done.


Indeed, you are doing a fine job of letting the world *know* that
you are a sexist moron.


*Moron* says more about the person who types it than the person it's
intended to describe Andre.

<Laughs> PKB, moron. YOU typed it, too...
Petard, meet Feminist scum.

Heres why you are a joke:
Subject: Why I Can't Take Feminists Seriously
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/mikeadams/2006/01/23/183352.html
Dear Daisy:
First of all, let me tell you how thrilled I am to receive hate mail
from a feminist named "Daisy." I can't think of many names - with the
possible exceptions of Coco, Mercedes, and Jasmine - that could make you
sound less like a feminist and more like a stripper in a club that
offers two-dollar table dances. Nonetheless, I will try to answer most
of your questions, sent via e-mail.
In your opening paragraph, you asked me, a) whether my wife hates me as
much as every other woman in America hates me, b) whether I am against
women voting, c) whether I am against women holding elective office, d)
whether I think rape should be legalized, e) whether I think women
should be banned from the workplace, f) whether I think all women should
be barefoot and pregnant, and, finally, g) whether I support female
genital mutilation.
The answers to those seven profoundly rational questions are as follows:
No; No; No; No; No; No; and No.
Unfortunately, your final question, which consumed most of paragraph two
of your e-mail, will take a bit longer to address. But that's okay. The
question "Why don't you take feminists seriously" is an important one.
It deserves a more complete response. So here are my primary reasons:
1. I do not consider 21st century feminism to be a political ideology or
philosophy.
American feminists generally do not become feminists because of some
well-defined political goal. For example, in your email you enumerate
several important political objectives. You want to vote. You want to be
free to hold elective office. You want rape to be illegal. You want to
be able to work. You don't want to be forced to get and stay pregnant at
all times. You want genital mutilation (of females) to be illegal.
I have an important newsflash, Daisy: You have already achieved all six
of these political objectives. But, nonetheless, you continue to rant.
And you continue to live in the past. That makes it difficult to take
you seriously.
2. Generally speaking, feminists get together with other feminists
because it is less expensive than seeing a therapist.
Feminists are usually drawn together by an inability to deal with men.
When they get together, whether in a small group or a large one,
criticism of males tends to dominate the discourse.
Let me give you an example. A few days after I made an appearance on The
O'Reilly Factor - to talk about race and class, not gender - two
feminists gathered outside my office to criticize some pro-life bumper
stickers that were posted on my door. One feminist stated that it must
be difficult to have to come to work every day on the same floor with
such a sexist professor. The other said they should keep their voices
low because I might overhear them. Since I was actually in my office at
the time (with the door shut) I did overhear them.
Despite the fact that the conversation began with one feminist trying to
sooth another, they soon worked themselves into a frenzy. The mere
repetition of words such as "patriarchal," phallocentric," and
"male-dominated" has an effect like the one described in George Orwell's
1984. If you want to see the "two minutes hate" in practice just attend
an annual "Take Back the Night" march or The Vagina Monologues.
Regardless of whether it is a gathering of two, two hundred, or two
thousand feminists, the dynamics are always the same. And those dynamics
make it hard to take feminism seriously.
3. Most feminists don't really want equality.
One good example of this phenomenon comes from a recent argument I had
with one of the stars of The Vagina Monologues. She wrote me to complain
about a column I published criticizing that infamous feminist play. She
told me she was "offended" and "hurt" by my critique. I then asked her
whether the flashing "vagina" sign in front of the school was offensive
to the Greek Orthodox or Baptist churches located nearby. She responded
by saying that she "didn't give a sh*t" what they thought. It mattered
very much that she was offended. It didn't matter at all that she had
offended others. (Take a moment to look up the word "sociopath" in the
dictionary).
Another example comes from a former secretary in my department. One day
she left work crying because I criticized campus feminists (for hanging
racist posters on campus showing Condi Rice standing in a cage holding a
bunch of bananas). The next week she was back in the office tearlessly
(and tirelessly) criticizing her husband for his inability to maintain
an erection.
Increasingly, these campus feminists strive to be a) constantly
offended, and b) constantly offensive. One unanticipated consequence of
the feminists' unequal application of the "right to be un-offended" is
that many people now deem feminists to be emotionally inferior.
That is another reason why people (myself included) don't take feminists
seriously.
4. The feminist love of postmodernism has resulted in widespread
academic and personal dishonesty.
A few years ago, I began to realize that one can seldom trust a feminist
to tell the truth. For example, I once asked a feminist to debate me on
the issue of abortion. She told me she really wasn't pro-choice. I did
an internet search and found that she had repeatedly referred to herself
as "pro-choice" on feminist list serves. She made those references to
herself both before and after our conversation. In other words, she
lied.
When I asked another feminist to debate me on abortion she said that she
didn't discuss such personal topics publicly. But then I read her
biography. After talking about losing her virginity (including details
about how she cleaned the blood off the couch afterwards) she dedicated
countless pages to the issue of abortion and how a "lack of choice"
adversely affects young women. After reading on, I realized why she
didn't tell me the truth. She revealed that she was a postmodernist who
didn't like to use the word "truth."
The next time I got into an argument with a feminist - over whether a
female student who lied about a rape to get out of a test should be
expelled - I understood the postmodern feminist position better.
Feminists just can't help but lie because there really is no such thing
as the truth.
Since so many feminists cannot tell the truth - because it doesn't even
really exist - I simply cannot take them seriously.
Those are just a few reasons, Daisy. I eagerly await your response, so I
can treat my readers to part two of the series. After all, these may be
the best tips you get all year.
Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North
Carolina Wilmington and is a regular columnist for Townhall.com
---------
A dog is wiser than a woman; it does not bark at its master.
Russian Proverb
---------
Now that your sexist idiocy has been truely exposed for the brain
rotted scum that it is... PLONK.
Andre
.
User: "Arthur Stone"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 09 Mar 2006 01:40:21 PM
Andre Lieven wrote:

"Arthur Stone" (arthur-stoned@bigot.*****) displays his INabilities:

Andre Lieven wrote:

"Arthur Stone" (arthur-dumber-than-a-stone@misandrist.cow) trolls:

Andre Lieven wrote:

Not according to... *women*...

See the single by choice mommyhood rates, moron.


When *moron* shows up I feel my work is done.


Indeed, you are doing a fine job of letting the world *know* that
you are a sexist moron.


*Moron* says more about the person who types it than the person it's
intended to describe Andre.


<Laughs> PKB, moron. YOU typed it, too...

Petard, meet Feminist scum.

Heres why you are a joke:

Subject: Why I Can't Take Feminists Seriously

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/mikeadams/2006/01/23/183352.html

Dear Daisy:
First of all, let me tell you how thrilled I am to receive hate mail
from a feminist named "Daisy." I can't think of many names - with the
possible exceptions of Coco, Mercedes, and Jasmine - that could make you
sound less like a feminist and more like a stripper in a club that
offers two-dollar table dances. Nonetheless, I will try to answer most
of your questions, sent via e-mail.

In your opening paragraph, you asked me, a) whether my wife hates me as
much as every other woman in America hates me, b) whether I am against
women voting, c) whether I am against women holding elective office, d)
whether I think rape should be legalized, e) whether I think women
should be banned from the workplace, f) whether I think all women should
be barefoot and pregnant, and, finally, g) whether I support female
genital mutilation.

The answers to those seven profoundly rational questions are as follows:
No; No; No; No; No; No; and No.

Unfortunately, your final question, which consumed most of paragraph two
of your e-mail, will take a bit longer to address. But that's okay. The
question "Why don't you take feminists seriously" is an important one.
It deserves a more complete response. So here are my primary reasons:

1. I do not consider 21st century feminism to be a political ideology or
philosophy.

American feminists generally do not become feminists because of some
well-defined political goal. For example, in your email you enumerate
several important political objectives. You want to vote. You want to be
free to hold elective office. You want rape to be illegal. You want to
be able to work. You don't want to be forced to get and stay pregnant at
all times. You want genital mutilation (of females) to be illegal.

I have an important newsflash, Daisy: You have already achieved all six
of these political objectives. But, nonetheless, you continue to rant.
And you continue to live in the past. That makes it difficult to take
you seriously.

2. Generally speaking, feminists get together with other feminists
because it is less expensive than seeing a therapist.

Feminists are usually drawn together by an inability to deal with men.
When they get together, whether in a small group or a large one,
criticism of males tends to dominate the discourse.

Let me give you an example. A few days after I made an appearance on The
O'Reilly Factor - to talk about race and class, not gender - two
feminists gathered outside my office to criticize some pro-life bumper
stickers that were posted on my door. One feminist stated that it must
be difficult to have to come to work every day on the same floor with
such a sexist professor. The other said they should keep their voices
low because I might overhear them. Since I was actually in my office at
the time (with the door shut) I did overhear them.

Despite the fact that the conversation began with one feminist trying to
sooth another, they soon worked themselves into a frenzy. The mere
repetition of words such as "patriarchal," phallocentric," and
"male-dominated" has an effect like the one described in George Orwell's
1984. If you want to see the "two minutes hate" in practice just attend
an annual "Take Back the Night" march or The Vagina Monologues.

Regardless of whether it is a gathering of two, two hundred, or two
thousand feminists, the dynamics are always the same. And those dynamics
make it hard to take feminism seriously.

3. Most feminists don't really want equality.

One good example of this phenomenon comes from a recent argument I had
with one of the stars of The Vagina Monologues. She wrote me to complain
about a column I published criticizing that infamous feminist play. She
told me she was "offended" and "hurt" by my critique. I then asked her
whether the flashing "vagina" sign in front of the school was offensive
to the Greek Orthodox or Baptist churches located nearby. She responded
by saying that she "didn't give a sh*t" what they thought. It mattered
very much that she was offended. It didn't matter at all that she had
offended others. (Take a moment to look up the word "sociopath" in the
dictionary).

Another example comes from a former secretary in my department. One day
she left work crying because I criticized campus feminists (for hanging
racist posters on campus showing Condi Rice standing in a cage holding a
bunch of bananas). The next week she was back in the office tearlessly
(and tirelessly) criticizing her husband for his inability to maintain
an erection.

Increasingly, these campus feminists strive to be a) constantly
offended, and b) constantly offensive. One unanticipated consequence of
the feminists' unequal application of the "right to be un-offended" is
that many people now deem feminists to be emotionally inferior.

That is another reason why people (myself included) don't take feminists
seriously.

4. The feminist love of postmodernism has resulted in widespread
academic and personal dishonesty.

A few years ago, I began to realize that one can seldom trust a feminist
to tell the truth. For example, I once asked a feminist to debate me on
the issue of abortion. She told me she really wasn't pro-choice. I did
an internet search and found that she had repeatedly referred to herself
as "pro-choice" on feminist list serves. She made those references to
herself both before and after our conversation. In other words, she
lied.

When I asked another feminist to debate me on abortion she said that she
didn't discuss such personal topics publicly. But then I read her
biography. After talking about losing her virginity (including details
about how she cleaned the blood off the couch afterwards) she dedicated
countless pages to the issue of abortion and how a "lack of choice"
adversely affects young women. After reading on, I realized why she
didn't tell me the truth. She revealed that she was a postmodernist who
didn't like to use the word "truth."

The next time I got into an argument with a feminist - over whether a
female student who lied about a rape to get out of a test should be
expelled - I understood the postmodern feminist position better.
Feminists just can't help but lie because there really is no such thing
as the truth.

Since so many feminists cannot tell the truth - because it doesn't even
really exist - I simply cannot take them seriously.

Those are just a few reasons, Daisy. I eagerly await your response, so I
can treat my readers to part two of the series. After all, these may be
the best tips you get all year.

Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North
Carolina Wilmington and is a regular columnist for Townhall.com
---------
A dog is wiser than a woman; it does not bark at its master.
Russian Proverb
---------

Now that your sexist idiocy has been truely exposed for the brain
rotted scum that it is... PLONK.

Andre

Mike must be pleased. He has at least one reader.
My favorite bit is 'the feminist love of postmodernism...'
Thanks for the chuckle.
.


User: "LC"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 06 Mar 2006 03:06:55 PM
50 year old virgin "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> made the most obvious
troll in the history of Usenet in message
news:X5Wdnfc3hb4GPJHZRVn-qw@giganews.com...

Ladies, by now you all know that I'm on your side when it comes to most
issues. Driving however, is another story. My experience with most women
is that they cannot drive ( everybody knows some woman who can drive as
well as any man, but the fact is most can't ) To be fair,there are some
things a woman can do better than their male counterparts; for example, a
man cannot care for an infant as well as a woman. I know there are times
when driving is a necessity but please, if any other mode of transport is
possible ladies, use it.

"J Young" a troll?
Nah....
.

User: "Kate"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 06 Mar 2006 03:41:21 PM
If this is all true - then why is it that men cause twice as many
accidents as women?
I guess women are such better drivers that even with not knowing all
that stuff they still handle a car far more safely than men.
.
User: "Chris"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 12:43:21 AM
"Kate" <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in message
news:1141681281.296267.46420@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

If this is all true - then why is it that men cause twice as many
accidents as women?

I guess women are such better drivers that even with not knowing all
that stuff they still handle a car far more safely than men.

For what it's worth, probably 90% of the time when I get cut-off by another
driver or they do some other illegal/dangerous maneuver forcing me to take
evasive action, it's a woman driver. I used to say "that guy just cut me
off" or "he almost crashed into me" without seeing the actual driver. But
now I use the feminine version of the same statements. Why? Because odds are
high in favor of the offending driver being a woman as opposed to a man.


.

User: ""

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 06 Mar 2006 05:09:05 PM
Kate wrote:

If this is all true - then why is it that men cause twice as many
accidents as women?

It undoubtedly is true. The two things are unrelated. Not knowing the
meaning of the dashboard symbols does not mean one necessarily is a
bad, accident-prone driver. However, lack of awareness correlates
highly with propensity to be in an accident.
As for men causing more accidents, men drive more often, and they drive
longer distances.


I guess women are such better drivers that even with not knowing all
that stuff they still handle a car far more safely than men.

Very slovenly illogic on your part.
It brings to mind the old yarn used to illustrate the fallacy of
composition:
q. why do white sheep eat more than black sheep?
a. because there are more of them
Men account for more accidents than women because there are more male
drivers, and they drive many times the number of passenger-miles that
women drive.
.
User: "Jan Smith"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 02:43:21 AM
<notgenx32@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141686545.244987.172770@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Kate wrote:

If this is all true - then why is it that men cause twice as many
accidents as women?


It undoubtedly is true. The two things are unrelated. Not knowing the
meaning of the dashboard symbols does not mean one necessarily is a
bad, accident-prone driver. However, lack of awareness correlates
highly with propensity to be in an accident.

As for men causing more accidents, men drive more often, and they drive
longer distances.



I guess women are such better drivers that even with not knowing all
that stuff they still handle a car far more safely than men.


Very slovenly illogic on your part.

It brings to mind the old yarn used to illustrate the fallacy of
composition:

q. why do white sheep eat more than black sheep?
a. because there are more of them

Men account for more accidents than women because there are more male
drivers, and they drive many times the number of passenger-miles that
women drive.

This is not true. If you google this, you will find that statistics that
show women are safer drivers than men have been normalized to take that into
account.
J.S.


.
User: "Leif Erikson"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 02:54:12 AM
Jan Smith wrote:

<notgenx32@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141686545.244987.172770@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Kate wrote:

If this is all true - then why is it that men cause twice as many
accidents as women?


It undoubtedly is true. The two things are unrelated. Not knowing the
meaning of the dashboard symbols does not mean one necessarily is a
bad, accident-prone driver. However, lack of awareness correlates
highly with propensity to be in an accident.

As for men causing more accidents, men drive more often, and they drive
longer distances.



I guess women are such better drivers that even with not knowing all
that stuff they still handle a car far more safely than men.


Very slovenly illogic on your part.

It brings to mind the old yarn used to illustrate the fallacy of
composition:

q. why do white sheep eat more than black sheep?
a. because there are more of them

Men account for more accidents than women because there are more male
drivers, and they drive many times the number of passenger-miles that
women drive.




This is not true. If you google this, you will find that statistics that
show women are safer drivers than men have been normalized to take that into
account.

Yeah, ***** "if you google this". If you had a
citation, you'd present it. You're full of *****, you
lying *****.
.
User: "Heidi Graw"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 03:47:12 AM

"Leif Erikson" <pipes@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
news:USbPf.888$k75.165@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Jan Smith wrote:

(snip)

Jan wrote:
If you google this, you will find that statistics that
show women are safer drivers than men have been normalized to take that
into
account.

Leif wrote:
Yeah, ***** "if you google this". If you had a citation, you'd present
it. You're full of *****, you lying *****.

http://www.caraccidentstoday.com/caraccidentstats-driverage.html
"In 2000, NHTSA reported that the fatal crash rate per 100,000 persons was
almost 3 times as high for male drivers than as for female drivers. Males
accounted for 68% of all traffic fatalities, 68% of all pedestrian
fatalities and 89% of all pedalcyclist fatalities in 2000. Young female
drivers, under age 50 have a lower fatality rate than their male
counterparts on a per mile driven basis. However, the fatality rate for
males and females over the age of 50 is essentially the same."
Pay attention: The stats were adjusted to per miles driven and per 100,000
people. Bottom line: Men are a greater danger on the roads than women.
Heidi
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 04:18:02 AM
Heidi Graw wrote:


Pay attention: The stats were adjusted to per miles driven and per 100,000
people. Bottom line: Men are a greater danger on the roads than women.

And yet so much young death is preventable but women are literally
DRIVING men to early deaths worldwide but lets not blame women for
their sexist sexuality behaviour that is detrimental to boys to mens
health and wellbeing..... that would be like requiring women to act
like grown up adults and ditch that fucking outdated sexuality cowshit
and use their intellects to attract men.
And we know that aint evern gonna happen, eh, because women are
numbfucks!
Its womens sexuality that results in men dying prematurely on our
roads, everywhere. Its a fucking disgrace and women should be ashamed!
.
User: "MCP"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 04:54:52 AM
<connor_a@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141726682.106228.9510@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Heidi Graw wrote:


Pay attention: The stats were adjusted to per miles driven and per
100,000
people. Bottom line: Men are a greater danger on the roads than
women.


And yet so much young death is preventable but women are literally
DRIVING men to early deaths worldwide but lets not blame women for
their sexist sexuality behaviour that is detrimental to boys to mens
health and wellbeing..... that would be like requiring women to act
like grown up adults and ditch that fucking outdated sexuality cowshit
and use their intellects to attract men.

And we know that aint evern gonna happen, eh, because women are
numbfucks!

Now Now Connor a, dumbfucks yes but "numbfucks" no! ;-)


Its womens sexuality that results in men dying prematurely on our
roads, everywhere. Its a fucking disgrace and women should be ashamed!

.

User: "Arthur Stone"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 09:50:45 AM
wrote:
that would be like requiring women to act like grown up adults and
ditch that fucking outdated sexuality cowshit and use their intellects
to attract men.
Playing hard to get connor?
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 10:12:58 PM
Arthur Stone wrote:

connor_a@hotmail.com wrote:


Playing hard to get connor?

There is nothing wrong about helping the opposing sex understand their
sexism.. afterall, feminists have spent their lives "uncovering the
sexism of men".. so its only fair and just to ensure the backyards of
feminists are clean of their own sexism.
Gee, the feminist self preserving sexists aren't too willying to
sacrifice and die young for their rights... I guess thats what
moooooma's socialise boys to men to do,eh?
.
User: "Arthur Stone"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 11:23:27 PM
wrote:

Arthur Stone wrote:

wrote:


Playing hard to get connor?


There is nothing wrong about helping the opposing sex understand their
sexism.. afterall, feminists have spent their lives "uncovering the
sexism of men".. so its only fair and just to ensure the backyards of
feminists are clean of their own sexism.

You've got the victim thing dialed in connor. What a tale of woe. Them
wimmings have done you wrong boy.


Gee, the feminist self preserving sexists aren't too willying to
sacrifice and die young for their rights... I guess thats what
moooooma's socialise boys to men to do,eh?

Actually women are serving in the armed forces connor. They are
fighting and dying along with the men in Iraq even as we speak.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 05:59:29 AM
Arthur Stone wrote:



You've got the victim thing dialed in connor. What a tale of woe. Them
wimmings have done you wrong boy.

All women have raped men since the beginning of time via the
sexuality... as for being a 'victim' I alongside men aren't pathetic
women.
But I guess being a man, its not okay to whinge.



Actually women are serving in the armed forces connor. They are
fighting and dying along with the men in Iraq even as we speak.

Lets see 50 gals dead to 2400 men... really sounds like "women doing
their equal share", eh?
.
User: "Arthur Stone"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 08:51:15 AM
wrote:

Arthur Stone wrote:



You've got the victim thing dialed in connor. What a tale of woe. Them
wimmings have done you wrong boy.

All women have raped men since the beginning of time via the
sexuality... as for being a 'victim' I alongside men aren't pathetic
women.

Huh?


But I guess being a man, its not okay to whinge.

Of course it's okay connor. It's what you do man.




Actually women are serving in the armed forces connor. They are
fighting and dying along with the men in Iraq even as we speak.


Lets see 50 gals dead to 2400 men... really sounds like "women doing
their equal share", eh?

'Gals'? Sorry there aren't more deaths for you connor.
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User: ""

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 08:46:58 PM
Arthur Stone wrote:


Huh?

The self preserving sexists little darlings aka women can't even hold
up "there half of the sky". I guess it takes a stronger human being to
defend US soil from nature and nurture.


Of course it's okay connor. It's what you do man.

Really man? Its better to express in words rather than fists?



'Gals'? Sorry there aren't more deaths for you connor.

Again, what don't you get about only 50 women deaths in IRAQ... in
gender equality, there should be 1200+ women dead N buried alongside
men as equals.
Since this isnt the case, the rape, pillage, murder and annhilation of
women must continue worldwide!
.
User: "Arthur Stone"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 10:20:21 PM
wrote:

Arthur Stone wrote:


Huh?

The self preserving sexists little darlings aka women can't even hold
up "there half of the sky". I guess it takes a stronger human being to
defend US soil from nature and nurture.

So that's where you come in except you can't because those feminists
have upset the natural order?



Of course it's okay connor. It's what you do man.

Really man? Its better to express in words rather than fists?

I think so.


'Gals'? Sorry there aren't more deaths for you connor.


Again, what don't you get about only 50 women deaths in IRAQ... in
gender equality, there should be 1200+ women dead N buried alongside
men as equals.

Since this isnt the case, the rape, pillage, murder and annhilation of
women must continue worldwide!

Well you've murdered common sense. Sadly women will be mistreated
worldwide with you as cheerleader.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 11:42:43 PM
Arthur Stone wrote:


So that's where you come in except you can't because those feminists
have upset the natural order?

Why should girls to women get the mother socialised free ride in
society of boys to mens premature death?
Why exactly!
EQUAL GENDER RIGHTS for EQUAL GENDER SHARING OF THE EVERYDAY LIFE AND
LIFESTYLE DEPRIVING BURDENS.
Why should girls to women get the mother socialised free ride in
society of boys to mens premature death?
Why exactly!


I think so.

Yes, I don't like violence.


Well you've murdered common sense. Sadly women will be mistreated
worldwide with you as cheerleader.

Doesn't US women being in the frontlines in IRAQ constitute VIOLENCE
AGAINST WOMEN????
DUH!
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User: "Fred Hall"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 11:49:55 PM
On 8 Mar 2006 21:42:43 -0800, "connor_a@hotmail.com"
<connor_a@hotmail.com> wrote:


Arthur Stone wrote:


So that's where you come in except you can't because those feminists
have upset the natural order?


Why should girls to women get the mother socialised free ride in
society of boys to mens premature death?

Why exactly!

EQUAL GENDER RIGHTS for EQUAL GENDER SHARING OF THE EVERYDAY LIFE AND
LIFESTYLE DEPRIVING BURDENS.

Why should girls to women get the mother socialised free ride in
society of boys to mens premature death?

Why exactly!


I think so.

Yes, I don't like violence.


Well you've murdered common sense. Sadly women will be mistreated
worldwide with you as cheerleader.


Doesn't US women being in the frontlines in IRAQ constitute VIOLENCE
AGAINST WOMEN????

Not according to Dr VjikQueen.


DUH!

--
"I can understand the motivations involved here by most men, but
you are beyond explaining, other than you are just a pure *****. Do you
wish you had one, Is that your problem Fred? ***** you Fred."
Socfroot Prarie Oyster in Message-ID: <eENPf.17943$vC4.12207@clgrps12>
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User: "Fred Hall"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 10:36:32 PM
On 8 Mar 2006 18:46:58 -0800, "connor_a@hotmail.com"
<connor_a@hotmail.com> wrote:


Arthur Stone wrote:


Huh?

The self preserving sexists little darlings aka women can't even hold
up "there half of the sky". I guess it takes a stronger human being to
defend US soil from nature and nurture.


Of course it's okay connor. It's what you do man.

Really man? Its better to express in words rather than fists?



'Gals'? Sorry there aren't more deaths for you connor.


Again, what don't you get about only 50 women deaths in IRAQ... in
gender equality, there should be 1200+ women dead N buried alongside
men as equals.

Since this isnt the case, the rape, pillage, murder and annhilation of
women must continue worldwide!

Did you learn that in Dr VjiQueen's lecture series, "Suitable Uses For
Women in the Modern World?"
--
"I can understand the motivations involved here by most men, but
you are beyond explaining, other than you are just a pure *****. Do you
wish you had one, Is that your problem Fred? ***** you Fred."
Socfroot Prarie Oyster in Message-ID: <eENPf.17943$vC4.12207@clgrps12>
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User: "hc23hc"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 09:42:27 AM
neoconnor wrote:


Its womens sexuality that results in men dying
prematurely on our roads, everywhere. Its a fucking
disgrace

So. Neoconnor's dying for sex. Long may it remain so.

and women should be ashamed!

No fucking way.
..
..
..
.


User: "greg"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 07:04:43 PM
Heidi Graw wrote:

"Leif Erikson" <pipes@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
news:USbPf.888$k75.165@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Jan Smith wrote:


(snip)


Jan wrote:
If you google this, you will find that statistics that
show women are safer drivers than men have been normalized to take that
into
account.



Leif wrote:
Yeah, ***** "if you google this". If you had a citation, you'd present
it. You're full of *****, you lying *****.



http://www.caraccidentstoday.com/caraccidentstats-driverage.html
"In 2000, NHTSA reported that the fatal crash rate per 100,000 persons was
almost 3 times as high for male drivers than as for female drivers. Males
accounted for 68% of all traffic fatalities, 68% of all pedestrian
fatalities and 89% of all pedalcyclist fatalities in 2000. Young female
drivers, under age 50 have a lower fatality rate than their male
counterparts on a per mile driven basis. However, the fatality rate for
males and females over the age of 50 is essentially the same."



Pay attention: The stats were adjusted to per miles driven and per 100,000
people. Bottom line: Men are a greater danger on the roads than women.

I wonder if they're able to adjust those numbers for "accidents" that
are actually suicides?


Heidi




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User: "Society"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 10:54:23 PM
"greg" <gwa001@impulse.net.au> wrote in message
news:440E2DAB.9020600@impulse.net.au...


Heidi Graw wrote:


http://www.caraccidentstoday.com/caraccidentstats-driverage.html
"In 2000, NHTSA reported that the fatal crash rate
per 100,000 persons was almost 3 times as high
for male drivers than as for female drivers. Males accounted for 68% of
all traffic fatalities, [...]
Young female drivers, under age 50 have a lower
fatality rate than their male counterparts on a per
mile driven basis. However, the fatality rate for males and females
over the age of 50 is essentially
the same."
Pay attention: The stats were adjusted to per miles
driven and per 100,000 people.

Pay attention: Those statistics WERE NOT adjusted
to account for the different driving situations typically
faced by men and women. For example, men are
more likely to have longer working commutes and
longer work hours, thus men are more likely to be
stuck driving when tired. Also, when a couple is
in the car, the man is far more likely to be assigned
the task of driving when both have been out late,
drinking, or road conditions are difficult.
Nice try, Heidi, but your statistics are gross figures
that tell us nothing about the sex of the generally
safer drivers. Next, you'll be trying to sell folks here
on the belief that women make better boaters because
so few women died on the Titanic compared to men.
Sheesh!
You wouldn't have missed the warning signs that
your statistics were useless had you bothered to
read _The Myth of Male Power_ by Dr. Warren
Farrell and his later book _Women Can't Hear_,
Heidi.

I wonder if they're able to adjust those numbers
for "accidents" that are actually suicides?

I suppose, greg, that a first approximation adjustment
would be to eliminate all fatal high-speed single-vehicle
(HSSV) crashes where no passengers were present
from the data set then recompute the figures.
For figures gathered by the California Highway
Patrol, the further refinement of eliminating from
the data set only those fatal HSSV no-passengers-
present crashes where there is no evidence of
a driver distraction (e.g., putting on make-up,
or yakking on a cell phone) should be possible.
The CHP's accident investigators record in their
reports whether or not evidence of driver distraction
is present at the crash scene.
--
All excuses for feminism depend on censorship
of reality to appear plausible to their swallowers.
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User: "Heidi Graw"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 07 Mar 2006 11:14:54 PM

"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:120sorpcs7rcb72@corp.supernews.com...

"greg" <gwa001@impulse.net.au> wrote in message
news:440E2DAB.9020600@impulse.net.au...


Heidi Graw wrote:


http://www.caraccidentstoday.com/caraccidentstats-driverage.html
"In 2000, NHTSA reported that the fatal crash rate
per 100,000 persons was almost 3 times as high
for male drivers than as for female drivers. Males accounted for 68%
of all traffic fatalities, [...]
Young female drivers, under age 50 have a lower
fatality rate than their male counterparts on a per
mile driven basis. However, the fatality rate for males and females
over the age of 50 is essentially
the same."
Pay attention: The stats were adjusted to per miles
driven and per 100,000 people.

Society wrote:
Pay attention: Those statistics WERE NOT adjusted
to account for the different driving situations typically
faced by men and women. For example, men are
more likely to have longer working commutes and
longer work hours, thus men are more likely to be
stuck driving when tired.

....and when men drive while they are tired, they are still a menace on the
road!

Also, when a couple is
in the car, the man is far more likely to be assigned
the task of driving when both have been out late,
drinking, or road conditions are difficult.

....and while men are navigating difficult road conditions, they risk
accidents.


Nice try, Heidi, but your statistics are gross figures
that tell us nothing about the sex of the generally
safer drivers.

If women are choosing shorter commutes and shorter work hours, they are more
able to remain *alert* at the wheel. This makes them safer drivers.
And if women refuse to drive under difficult conditions, they avoid getting
into accidents, too!
If men choose to drive while tired and drive under difficult conditions,
that *still* makes them a road hazard.
It's a *safety* concern. Men are taking the risks on the road that women
are not taking. This risk-taking behavior creates more road accidents.
Heidi
.
User: "PolishKnight"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 03:12:17 PM
Heidi Graw wrote:

"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:120sorpcs7rcb72@corp.supernews.com...

"greg" <gwa001@impulse.net.au> wrote in message
news:440E2DAB.9020600@impulse.net.au...


Heidi Graw wrote:


http://www.caraccidentstoday.com/caraccidentstats-driverage.html
"In 2000, NHTSA reported that the fatal crash rate
per 100,000 persons was almost 3 times as high
for male drivers than as for female drivers. Males accounted for 68%
of all traffic fatalities, [...]
Young female drivers, under age 50 have a lower
fatality rate than their male counterparts on a per
mile driven basis. However, the fatality rate for males and females
over the age of 50 is essentially
the same."
Pay attention: The stats were adjusted to per miles
driven and per 100,000 people.


Society wrote:
Pay attention: Those statistics WERE NOT adjusted
to account for the different driving situations typically
faced by men and women. For example, men are
more likely to have longer working commutes and
longer work hours, thus men are more likely to be
stuck driving when tired.


...and when men drive while they are tired, they are still a menace on the
road!

Agreed with Heidi. There is no excuse for driving while tired.
But then again, think of poor George Michael just trying
to catch a nap rather than driving to a hotel. :-)

Also, when a couple is
in the car, the man is far more likely to be assigned
the task of driving when both have been out late,
drinking, or road conditions are difficult.


...and while men are navigating difficult road conditions, they risk
accidents.

So do you never navigate difficult road conditions? Have you
pulled over everytime it's rained heavily or there's snow?
Or do you prefer to be a menace and risk accidents?

Nice try, Heidi, but your statistics are gross figures
that tell us nothing about the sex of the generally
safer drivers.


If women are choosing shorter commutes and shorter work hours, they are more
able to remain *alert* at the wheel. This makes them safer drivers.

This is a fun topic because I love to discuss how feminism has
increased the number of drivers on the road as more women
have entered the workplace as full time workers.
So yes, women on average still drive less than men but feminism
has resulted in women driving more and helping to contribute
to congestion. It's not trivial because congestion is often
created by a tipping point factor. If 30% of the commuters are
career women who might be at home in a more traditional era,
then that 30% reduction in traffic might be enough to eliminate
congestion. Add in the 30% reduction in fuel consumption.
Hmmm, this can be fun! Take away the fuel and drivers for
going to daycare. And for all the industries that support
women in the workplace...

And if women refuse to drive under difficult conditions, they avoid getting
into accidents, too!

Wrong.
What Society is saying is the women don't drive, but they
remain passengers. They're in the same car.

If men choose to drive while tired and drive under difficult conditions,
that *still* makes them a road hazard.

It's a *safety* concern. Men are taking the risks on the road that women
are not taking. This risk-taking behavior creates more road accidents.

A road hazard for whom? Wouldn't any other driver also out in
difficult conditions also be a hazard? :-)

Heidi

Interestingly enough, I remember living in Philadelphia and Los Angeles
and
regularly using the train to commute to work rather than car because
the amount of time was about the same. So I got a chance to read
the newspaper or a book rather than sit in traffic.
Probably about 90% of the middle class train commuters were men. After
6PM, that percentage probably went up to 95%.
Not being a "hazard" apparently isn't very "cool" in our society.
regards,
PolishKnight
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User: "Heidi Graw"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 06:52:42 PM

"PolishKnight" <marek1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1141852337.558405.54750@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

(snip)

Mark wrote:
If 30% of the commuters are
career women who might be at home in a more traditional era,
then that 30% reduction in traffic might be enough to eliminate
congestion. Add in the 30% reduction in fuel consumption.
Hmmm, this can be fun!

Rush hour would be less congested. Moms at home, though, tend to take their
children out to the parks, drive to and from school, visit friends, go
shopping, run errands, do volunteer work, drive to and from music classes,
ballet classes, hockey, soccer, and other organized play time events. So,
instead of being cooped up in the office all day, Mom could be driving
around here there and everywhere else consuming even more fuel! Traffic
would be busy all day long!
I sure as heck put on a lot more mileage while "at home" with the kids than
when I worked full time at the office!
Heidi
.
User: "PolishKnight"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 09 Mar 2006 10:19:15 AM
Heidi Graw wrote:

"PolishKnight" <marek1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1141852337.558405.54750@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

(snip)

Mark wrote:
If 30% of the commuters are
career women who might be at home in a more traditional era,
then that 30% reduction in traffic might be enough to eliminate
congestion. Add in the 30% reduction in fuel consumption.
Hmmm, this can be fun!


Rush hour would be less congested. Moms at home, though, tend to take their
children out to the parks, drive to and from school, visit friends, go
shopping, run errands, do volunteer work, drive to and from music classes,
ballet classes, hockey, soccer, and other organized play time events

Indeed!
This is why in the states we have the "Mommy Wars". Even though
these women comprise an ethnic minority, they have a disparite effect
on politics because they have a lot of time and energy to dedicate
to their agenda.
During the 70's and 80's, I remember, it was not uncommon to see a lot
of these women spending time volunteering for liberal causes to
undermine and attack their own lifestyle. They have been replaced
with women who've had to fight tooth and nail to be "oppressed"
and "sacrifice" their career.
Your point is also useful in that home-schooled children are often
portrayed as isolated and socially inept. The home-schoolers
I know tend to have incredible social lives with their children
attending ballet, karate, museums, etc. Compare and contrast
to the anti-intellectualism that often exists at public schools.

. So,
instead of being cooped up in the office all day, Mom could be driving
around here there and everywhere else consuming even more fuel! Traffic
would be busy all day long!

Yes and no.
You're right that she would have a lot of time to run around BUT... she
could also schedule these trips in a more flexible manner
than a commuter. Congested commutes consume several times
more fuel per day along, of course, with being more hazardous.
Men need to earn this money because the state doesn't help
"tip them off" when they fail to support their children.

I sure as heck put on a lot more mileage while "at home" with the kids than
when I worked full time at the office!

Heidi

Perhaps. But overall, I suspect that most of the mileage and fuel
is consumed by commuters who usually have to pull long runs
on a daily basis.
regards,
PolishKnight
.


User: "Arthur Stone"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 03:30:10 PM
PolishKnight wrote:


This is a fun topic because I love to discuss how feminism has
increased the number of drivers on the road as more women
have entered the workplace as full time workers.

If 30% of the commuters are
career women who might be at home in a more traditional era,
then that 30% reduction in traffic might be enough to eliminate
congestion. Add in the 30% reduction in fuel consumption.
Hmmm, this can be fun! Take away the fuel and drivers for
going to daycare. And for all the industries that support
women in the workplace...

Um. If you subtracted 30% of commuters who are career women, would not
the jobs still exist?
And would they not then be filled by men who in turn would commute by
automobile?
And would there not be a 30% reduction in fuel consumption?
.
User: "Andre Lieven"

Title: Re: Women drivers 'miss warning signs' 08 Mar 2006 05:29:06 PM
"Arthur Stone" (arthurstone309@hotmail.com) writes:

PolishKnight wrote:

This is a fun topic because I love to discuss how feminism has
increased the number of drivers on the road as more women
have entered the workplace as full time workers.

If 30% of the commuters are
career women who might be at home in a more traditional era,
then that 30% reduction in traffic might be enough to eliminate
congestion. Add in the 30% reduction in fuel consumption.
Hmmm, this can be fun! Take away the fuel and drivers for
going to daycare. And for all the industries that support
women in the workplace...


Um. If you subtracted 30% of commuters who are career women, would not
the jobs still exist?

Why would they ? Do women do hard hat construction, coal mining, or
auto mechanic work ?
No, they don't, in any statistically significant numbers. So, drop
the work force that much, and the jobs that vanish are nail salon
operators, wedding " consultants ", and the like.
IOW, more women freed from the rigours of paid labour ! Freeing
*more* room on the roads, demand for gasoline, and road congestion.

And would they not then be filled by men who in turn would commute by
automobile?

Nope.

And would there not be a 30% reduction in fuel consumption?

Perhaps less, perhaps more. But, one could also dispense with
many of the second, or third cars, that so many first worlders
have need of, to help keep women in the workplace...
So, likely more...
Women on the job; not cost effective.
Andre

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