Religions > Atheism > Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows
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"Mr. Young" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:45:15 AM |
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Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows |
Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat2552.html
Springfield, IL (LifeNews.com) -- A new survey shows women considering an
abortion want to know information about the risks and dangers associated
with it beforehand. The survey stands in stark contrast to the position
abortion advocates take in opposition to legislation allowing women to know
the potential medical problems abortion presents.
The Journal of Medical Ethics published the results of the survey of 187
women in July.
The survey polled women seeking obstetric and gynecological services at a
Wisconsin women's health clinic and they were asked to give their opinions
about receiving information for elective medical procedures.
In the survey they ranked the kind of information they would want beforehand
and ranked the severity of different kinds of complications form a medical
procedure ranging from a headache to death.
The results showed 95 percent of patients wished to be informed of all the
risks of a procedure and 65 percent would want to know all of the possible
alternatives beforehand -- not just those alternatives a doctor presents.
In the ranking of risks, women placed mental and emotional health
consequences very high on the list -- only slightly below the risk of death
or heart disease.
Dr. David Reardon, director of the Elliot Institute and one of co-authors of
the study, said the finding may be especially important vis-a-vis abortion
decisions since recent peer-reviewed studies have linked abortion to
increased rates of mental health problems.
Some problems coming from an abortion, according to various studies, include
suicidal behavior, clinical depression, anxiety disorders, substance abuse,
and sleep disorders.
"Doctors should anticipate that most women desire information on every
potential risk, even risks that doctors may judge to be less serious or
inconsequentially rare, and they will generally consider this information to
be relevant to their decisions regarding elective procedures," the authors
wrote in the study.
Reardon, in a statement sent to LifeNews.com, said the survey "demonstrates
that women have a high level of interest in being informed of any risk that
is statistically associated with the procedure, including psychological
risks."
While abortion businesses may regard some abortion risks as relatively
minor, Dr. Reardon said women don't regard them that way.
"It also reveals that while some experts may consider some associations,
such as a 10 percent higher risk of breast cancer, as relatively
unimportant, most women would consider it to be very important to their
decision making process," he said.
Reardon also said the study refutes the claim that abortion practitioners
should withhold information about studies identifying abortion risks simply
because he believes that future studies may someday disprove the earlier
findings.
"Our survey shows that most women don't want doctors to screen which
information they are told about risks," he said. "They want to judge the
evidence for themselves."
Reardon concluded that the study showed women "clearly prefer to be fully
informed about all possible complications, even if abortion providers insist
that the causal links between abortion and these statistically linked
complications have yet to be fully proven to the abortionist's
satisfaction."
Dr. Priscilla Coleman, a professor at Bowling Green State University, was
another one of the authors of the new study.
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Mr. J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Sylvia R. Dickinson" |
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| Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows |
01 Oct 2006 02:17:17 PM |
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osprey wrote:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
Emmanual Kann wrote:
An Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:32:14 -0700, hat
geschreibt:
Women are given complete authority over the decision by all the
standard pro-choice arguments. And if it's so simple, please solve the
problem right now.
If it isn't your womb, it's none of your business. Problem solved.
As long as people like YOU and others make this a political
issue...it's all of our business. Problem remains UNSOLVED.
So, you're *not* making it a political issue?
It was a political issue long before I ever got involved in any
discussions about it, it will continue to be a political issue long
after I stop caring...so sit back down patty and just move along with
your obsession over me.
So, you're denying responsibility for your own words? What a surprise...
You are still obsessed with me? What a surprise!!!
Add "hypocrite" to your repertoire.
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| User: "Anamika" |
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| Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows |
05 Sep 2006 03:45:12 AM |
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osprey wrote:
As long as people like YOU and others make this a political
issue...it's all of our business.
It's only an issue because "people like you" make it an issue.
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| User: "Anamika" |
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05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 AM |
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osprey wrote:
As long as people like YOU and others make this a political
issue...it's all of our business.
It's only an issue because "people like you" make it an issue.
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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05 Sep 2006 01:50:16 AM |
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An Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:32:14 -0700, hat
geschreibt:
It's not like homosexuality where it's obvious that no sane straight
person would even care what queers do in the privacy of their own homes.
It is obvious that people do care what others do in private. If they
didn't, there would be no controversy.
It doesn't even sound like you're replying to my post. Abortion is
different than homosexuality.
And I'm saying that with respect to what others do in private, both
are the same: none of your business.
Also, you are saying that all controversy is caused by what people do in
private. The use of the word "private" implies the existence of
"non-privacy", so your argument here would be that non-private things
cause no controversy.
No, the controversy is caused by the inappropriate care some people have
in other people's privacy. Those insane homos you allude to.
You really are talking out of your *****.
If I could do that, I'd have a show in Vegas.
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| User: "" |
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09 Sep 2006 08:55:09 PM |
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Emmanual Kann wrote:
An Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:32:14 -0700, hat
geschreibt:
It's not like homosexuality where it's obvious that no sane straight
person would even care what queers do in the privacy of their own homes.
It is obvious that people do care what others do in private. If they
didn't, there would be no controversy.
It doesn't even sound like you're replying to my post. Abortion is
different than homosexuality.
And I'm saying that with respect to what others do in private, both
are the same: none of your business.
They aren't the same fucking thing or you wouldn't have two fucking
different fucking words for them, you special gemstone.
Also, you are saying that all controversy is caused by what people do in
private. The use of the word "private" implies the existence of
"non-privacy", so your argument here would be that non-private things
cause no controversy.
No, the controversy is caused by the inappropriate care some people have
in other people's privacy. Those insane homos you allude to.
And as I said before, there are private things that matter to other
people. They don't exist in a fucking vacuum. Morality exists even in
privacy. Most murders and rapes are private affairs, you idiot, that
doesn't mean they don't call for action. You really make pro-choicers
look stupid, you know that? You really make us look like we are as dumb
as you and don't know what we're talking about and haven't even thought
about our position. You are an enemy of any pro-choice movement.
You really are talking out of your *****.
If I could do that, I'd have a show in Vegas.
You can't even make good jokes. You're pathetic.
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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09 Sep 2006 10:31:10 PM |
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wrote:
No, the controversy is caused by the inappropriate care some people have
in other people's privacy. Those insane homos you allude to.
And as I said before, there are private things that matter to other
people. They don't exist in a fucking vacuum. Morality exists even in
privacy. Most murders and rapes are private affairs, you idiot, that
doesn't mean they don't call for action. You really make pro-choicers
look stupid, you know that? You really make us look like we are as dumb
as you and don't know what we're talking about and haven't even thought
about our position. You are an enemy of any pro-choice movement.
Be that as it may, the abortion debate is over because herbal abortions
are becoming increasingly available. I grow several herbal abortificants
in my garden. they are small obscure plants that I make available to
witches and midwives. No appointment, no clinic, no protestor line, no
adoption sermon, no doctor, no bill, no prescription, no problem with
pharmacists, and no parental consent. [that's a period]
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| User: "" |
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09 Sep 2006 11:16:38 PM |
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Day Brown wrote:
thedeviliam@hotmail.com wrote:
No, the controversy is caused by the inappropriate care some people have
in other people's privacy. Those insane homos you allude to.
And as I said before, there are private things that matter to other
people. They don't exist in a fucking vacuum. Morality exists even in
privacy. Most murders and rapes are private affairs, you idiot, that
doesn't mean they don't call for action. You really make pro-choicers
look stupid, you know that? You really make us look like we are as dumb
as you and don't know what we're talking about and haven't even thought
about our position. You are an enemy of any pro-choice movement.
Be that as it may, the abortion debate is over because herbal abortions
are becoming increasingly available.
You said "be that as it may", so I'm giving you a fresh start. Is this
forgiveness? Ah, who gives a *****. You acknowledged my point on
"privacy" so the flames will subside. I really don't see how these
herbal abortions, which I am all for, really address the issue of
later-term abortions, though.
I grow several herbal abortificants
in my garden. they are small obscure plants that I make available to
witches and midwives. No appointment, no clinic, no protestor line, no
adoption sermon, no doctor, no bill, no prescription, no problem with
pharmacists, and no parental consent. [that's a period]
I'm completely cool with that, I just think you need to be a little
more strict with yourself if you're going to take such a strong
position on the issue. Otherwise, damage will ensue, and not to the
opposition. You seem to be a serious actiivist on this issue, so please
be harsher on yourself than anyone else, otherwise you will not help
it. There is an old samurai adage: "the only enemy is within". Of
course it's all within or whatever, but I sense insecurity in your
position. Just realize things here are a little more complicated than
you realized, and adjust accordingly.
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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12 Sep 2006 10:49:04 PM |
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I dont have a strong opinion. I'm a dude, and dont see that my opinion
matters. Which is my point. The opinion of the legal system dont matter
either.
Walk the roadsides or meadows, and look for grasses infected with
Claviceps Purpurea (ergot). pick the little black fruiting bodies. Takes
about a teaspoonful to dramatically increase the strength of
contractions, which is why midwives have always used it during difficult
births.
But it will cause these contractions *anytime*. 1st, 2nd, or 3rd trimester.
Claviceps Purpurea growing on wheat or rye contains strychnine,
notorious for causing insanity and death in the middle ages. But on the
wild grasses, it only contains lysergic acids and other neurologically
active compounds.
It is becoming more common in some areas; acid rain has made the grasses
more susceptible to it.
No prescription; all you need is an herbalist who knows what to look
for. My opinion, your opinion, or that of the legal system no longer
matters. The debate is over. The more draconian the laws against
abortion, the more women will be motivated to spread the word about this
alternative.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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01 Sep 2006 06:31:06 PM |
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In article <1157116492.356959.134540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
"We" shouldn't TELL women anything, you control freak! They can take
care of themselves!
After all, you care so much for women right? You wouldn't want them to
do something that is FAR more dangerous, right?
Who gives a ***** what you or anyone else WANTS women to do?
I hate to sound like one of them horrible liberals here, but my
position is simply this: If I woman is pregnant and trying to decide
whether or not to abort, if she explains her circumstances to me and
asks my opinion I would try to give her good counsel. If she doesn't
ask my opinion I will simply wish her well and hope that she makes a
wise decision. That is what you call atheist charity, something many
Christians are badly lacking.
As a person who has a faith in God, I can say that I think what you
said very well said
lol! Feel for the people with faith in God. "I can say that I think
what you said very well said?"
...up to the point on atheist charity. Other than
that, I would do the same thing. No one should force a woman or a man
to do anything they don't want to do.
Except Osprey just said, "Suppose we ALLOW a woman to..."
A person may make a choice we
don't agree with; however, it's their choice. Do I oppose abortion?
Yea, I do. I think it's the wrong choice. Would I try to stop a woman
from having one? Absolutely not.
You'd just vote for candidates who want to make it illegal.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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01 Sep 2006 06:27:19 PM |
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In article <6-adndg3cNO0qWXZnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1157092748.885502.112540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Mike <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
"We" shouldn't TELL women anything, you control freak! They can take
care of themselves!
After all, you care so much for women right? You wouldn't want them to
do something that is FAR more dangerous, right?
Who gives a ***** what you or anyone else WANTS women to do?
I hate to sound like one of them horrible liberals here, but my
position is simply this: If I woman is pregnant and trying to decide
whether or not to abort, if she explains her circumstances to me and
asks my opinion I would try to give her good counsel. If she doesn't
ask my opinion I will simply wish her well and hope that she makes a
wise decision. That is what you call atheist charity, something many
Christians are badly lacking.
Because they think THEY know better. I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
Yeah sure you have.
Typical Christian Right - when in a corner, make up reality.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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01 Sep 2006 09:51:31 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <6-adndg3cNO0qWXZnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1157092748.885502.112540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Mike <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
"We" shouldn't TELL women anything, you control freak! They can take
care of themselves!
After all, you care so much for women right? You wouldn't want them to
do something that is FAR more dangerous, right?
Who gives a ***** what you or anyone else WANTS women to do?
I hate to sound like one of them horrible liberals here, but my
position is simply this: If I woman is pregnant and trying to decide
whether or not to abort, if she explains her circumstances to me and
asks my opinion I would try to give her good counsel. If she doesn't
ask my opinion I will simply wish her well and hope that she makes a
wise decision. That is what you call atheist charity, something many
Christians are badly lacking.
Because they think THEY know better. I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
Yeah sure you have.
Typical Christian Right - when in a corner, make up reality.
typical of a lying leftist. LIE!
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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01 Sep 2006 10:22:32 PM |
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In article <RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <6-adndg3cNO0qWXZnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1157092748.885502.112540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Mike <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
"We" shouldn't TELL women anything, you control freak! They can take
care of themselves!
After all, you care so much for women right? You wouldn't want them to
do something that is FAR more dangerous, right?
Who gives a ***** what you or anyone else WANTS women to do?
I hate to sound like one of them horrible liberals here, but my
position is simply this: If I woman is pregnant and trying to decide
whether or not to abort, if she explains her circumstances to me and
asks my opinion I would try to give her good counsel. If she doesn't
ask my opinion I will simply wish her well and hope that she makes a
wise decision. That is what you call atheist charity, something many
Christians are badly lacking.
Because they think THEY know better. I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
Yeah sure you have.
Typical Christian Right - when in a corner, make up reality.
typical of a lying leftist. LIE!
Osprey? Is that you?
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
I believe the religious will always do as they have always done.
Believe whatever they are comfortable with.
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| User: "Attila" |
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02 Sep 2006 04:28:18 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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02 Sep 2006 07:35:08 AM |
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Attila < wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
I can't count all the
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"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows |
02 Sep 2006 12:44:23 PM |
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In article <A4adncj5vaES52TZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
Blanket denials without any support. Where have we seen that before?
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| User: "Attila" |
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02 Sep 2006 02:51:22 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:35:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<A4adncj5vaES52TZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
High enough. Googol to the googolplex? Aleph null? C?
I can't count all the
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"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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| Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows |
02 Sep 2006 08:12:21 PM |
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Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:35:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<A4adncj5vaES52TZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
High enough. Googol to the googolplex? Aleph null? C?
I don't use google.
I can't count all the
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"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Attila" |
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03 Sep 2006 05:22:48 AM |
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:12:21 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<WJOdnVtYFdiasWfZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:35:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<A4adncj5vaES52TZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
High enough. Googol to the googolplex? Aleph null? C?
I don't use google.
You don't know how funny that is. On so many levels.
It's Googol, not Google.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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03 Sep 2006 08:58:45 AM |
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Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:12:21 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<WJOdnVtYFdiasWfZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:35:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<A4adncj5vaES52TZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
High enough. Googol to the googolplex? Aleph null? C?
I don't use google.
You don't know how funny that is. On so many levels.
It's Googol, not Google.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
You don't realize how LESS I give a rip. There are a lot better search
engines.
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03 Sep 2006 12:16:54 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)"
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
High enough. Googol to the googolplex? Aleph null? C?
I don't use google.
You don't know how funny that is. On so many levels.
It's Googol, not Google.
You don't realize how LESS I give a rip.
Ignorant, hateful, and proud.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows |
03 Sep 2006 03:15:58 PM |
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On 03 Sep 2006 17:16:54 GMT, (Ray Fischer) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<44fb0e06$0$34568$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> wrote:
Larry (Scratch) <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)"
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
High enough. Googol to the googolplex? Aleph null? C?
I don't use google.
You don't know how funny that is. On so many levels.
It's Googol, not Google.
You don't realize how LESS I give a rip.
Ignorant, hateful, and proud.
And ignorant.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Attila" |
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03 Sep 2006 03:15:30 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:58:45 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<P8SdnS3Gkps7QmfZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:12:21 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<WJOdnVtYFdiasWfZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:35:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<A4adncj5vaES52TZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:31 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dndh4ZL1bbGXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
I can't count all the
"Christians" I have seen in my life who claimed to be "pro-life" only
to have an abortion when THEY became pregnant or when their daughter
got pregnant at 16.
You really think a sane person believe the above you posted?
It happens to be true.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Sure it is. So you can't count very high huh?
High enough. Googol to the googolplex? Aleph null? C?
I don't use google.
You don't know how funny that is. On so many levels.
It's Googol, not Google.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
You don't realize how LESS I give a rip. There are a lot better search
engines.
Should I tell him or just let him continue to be more and more
ignorant? He doesn't get it even after bring hit by a Mack truck.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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01 Sep 2006 06:27:19 PM |
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In article <Gr6dneUVz52hrGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
"We" shouldn't TELL women anything, you control freak! They can take
care of themselves!
After all, you care so much for women right? You wouldn't want them to
do something that is FAR more dangerous, right?
Who gives a ***** what you or anyone else WANTS women to do?
I hate to sound like one of them horrible liberals here, but my
position is simply this: If I woman is pregnant and trying to decide
whether or not to abort, if she explains her circumstances to me and
asks my opinion I would try to give her good counsel. If she doesn't
ask my opinion I will simply wish her well and hope that she makes a
wise decision. That is what you call atheist charity, something many
Christians are badly lacking.
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist.
So what?
Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on
and some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it
would be a hoot.
Typical right winger. Assume women are stupid.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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01 Sep 2006 09:55:19 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <Gr6dneUVz52hrGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
"We" shouldn't TELL women anything, you control freak! They can take
care of themselves!
After all, you care so much for women right? You wouldn't want them to
do something that is FAR more dangerous, right?
Who gives a ***** what you or anyone else WANTS women to do?
I hate to sound like one of them horrible liberals here, but my
position is simply this: If I woman is pregnant and trying to decide
whether or not to abort, if she explains her circumstances to me and
asks my opinion I would try to give her good counsel. If she doesn't
ask my opinion I will simply wish her well and hope that she makes a
wise decision. That is what you call atheist charity, something many
Christians are badly lacking.
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist.
So what?
This is why you are a liberal. They don't get it they will NEVER get it.
So what huh
Amazing!
Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on
and some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it
would be a hoot.
Typical right winger. Assume women are stupid.
Lacking in reading comprehension are ya?
Whoosh!
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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01 Sep 2006 10:22:32 PM |
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In article <LKWdnVn7HLU3b2XZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <Gr6dneUVz52hrGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Scratch
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
"We" shouldn't TELL women anything, you control freak! They can take
care of themselves!
After all, you care so much for women right? You wouldn't want them to
do something that is FAR more dangerous, right?
Who gives a ***** what you or anyone else WANTS women to do?
I hate to sound like one of them horrible liberals here, but my
position is simply this: If I woman is pregnant and trying to decide
whether or not to abort, if she explains her circumstances to me and
asks my opinion I would try to give her good counsel. If she doesn't
ask my opinion I will simply wish her well and hope that she makes a
wise decision. That is what you call atheist charity, something many
Christians are badly lacking.
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist.
So what?
This is why you are a liberal.
I believe in freedom.
They don't get it they will NEVER get it.
They don't?
So what huh
Amazing!
Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on
and some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it
would be a hoot.
Typical right winger. Assume women are stupid.
Lacking in reading comprehension are ya?
You are the one claiming women are stupid.
Whoosh!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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01 Sep 2006 12:18:05 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist.
You only believe in killing born life.
Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on
and some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it
would be a hoot.
You want to make everybody obey you to make sure that they all
suffer enough.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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01 Sep 2006 09:39:25 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Larry (Scratch) <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist.
You only believe in killing born life.
You saying your against the death penalty for those on death row?
Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on
and some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it
would be a hoot.
You want to make everybody obey you to make sure that they all
suffer enough.
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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02 Sep 2006 02:49:11 AM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist. Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on
and some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it
would be a hoot.
Be that as it may, herbal abortions are now available. There aint a damn
thing you or the government can do about it. The debate is over. It dont
matter what you think any more.
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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02 Sep 2006 02:47:58 PM |
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"Day Brown" <daybrown@wildblue.net> wrote in message
news:%HaKg.43$ZZ.139401@news.sisna.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist. Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on and
some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it would
be a hoot.
Be that as it may, herbal abortions are now available. There aint a damn
thing you or the government can do about it. The debate is over. It dont
matter what you think any more.
How will the pharmaceutical companies and abortion doctors like that one?
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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04 Sep 2006 11:34:45 PM |
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John D.Wentzky wrote:
"Day Brown" <daybrown@wildblue.net> wrote in message
news:%HaKg.43$ZZ.139401@news.sisna.com...
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
Because we don't believe in the taking of an un-born life atheist. Must
be sweet for (so called) men to knock a woman up then convince them to
abort so their responsibility ends when they slip their pants back on and
some women are so stupid they buy into it. If it wasn't so sad it would
be a hoot.
Be that as it may, herbal abortions are now available. There aint a damn
thing you or the government can do about it. The debate is over. It dont
matter what you think any more.
How will the pharmaceutical companies and abortion doctors like that one?
Not much; and the more fuss they make, the worse it will get. The German
& Chinese governments have done scientific double blind studies of
herbs, finding scores that have genuine therapeutic value with fewer
side effects. As women find out about herbal birth control and abortion,
they will also find out about other gynecological herbs as well as many
to treat a myriad of problems in their children and husbands.
If the word got out, it'd make a *HUGE* dent in the US cost of
healthcare. Surf for the 'German Commission E Monograph on Herbs".
And if the word got out, millions of American organic farmers would find
a very lucrative export market.
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