Larry (Scratch) <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

Larry (Scratch) <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:
I do believe I asked to have the law cited.

Cannot cite a law that does not exist. Since there is no law that
makes abortion murder and never has been, your claim that it is murder
is clearly nothing but irrational pro-liar lunacy.

Are you really such a dipso? Atilla said:

But abortion, being legal

The term legal as defined by Webster says:

Main Entry: 1le·gal
Pronunciation: 'lE-g&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Anglo-French, from Latin legalis, from leg-, lex law
1 : of or relating to law
2 a : deriving authority from or founded on law : DE JURE b : having a
formal status derived from law often without a basis in actual fact :
TITULAR <a corporation is a legal but not a real person> c : established
by law; especially : STATUTORY
3 : conforming to or permitted by law or established rules
4 : recognized or made effective by a court of law as distinguished from
a court of equity
5 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of the profession of
law or of one of its members
6 : created by the constructions of the law <a legal fiction>
synonym see LAWFUL
- le·gal·ly /-g&-lE/ adverb


Do you know your Numbers? if so look at #4

IT IS NOT LEGAL!!!!

Because the courts have ruled it legal?

Attila < wrote:

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:47:45 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dnd54ZL15bWXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 06:20:50 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<6-adndk3cNNYrmXZnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:22:14 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<fbKdnUmwIrTlOmrZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

robpar wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:45:15 -0400, "Mr. Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.


http://www.lifenews.com/nat2552.html

A pro-liar magazine.

Springfield, IL (LifeNews.com) -- A new survey shows women considering an
abortion want to know information about the risks and dangers associated
with it beforehand. The survey stands in stark contrast to the position
abortion advocates take in opposition to legislation allowing women
to know the potential medical problems abortion presents.

Typical theist lie, there are no abortion advocates.
Pro-choice advocates the rights of women to choose for them
selves.

To choose what?

You can stop practicing stupidity, *****. You've achieved it.

Do you always support a persons right to choose without knowing what
the choices might be?

Why do you hate liberty?

the freedom to murder an un-born child is NOT liberty. It is murder.

But abortion, being legal, is not and cannot be murder.

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Legal huh? Want to cite the law for me? You sure it wasn't just a court
decision?

Main Entry: 1mur·der
Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old
English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Old
French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor;
akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors
death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
Date: before 12th century
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with
malice aforethought
2 a : something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was
murder> b : something outrageous or blameworthy <getting
away with murder>

I do believe I asked to have the law cited. and I believe murder
involves aforethought as noted above?

How about

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=410&invol=113

This is case law from SCOUS.

The definition (do you know what that is) of murder states it must
contain an illegal component.

Therefore, being legal, abortion cannot be illegal and thus cannot be
murder.

For example:

California Penal Code

187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being,
or a fetus, with malice aforethought.
(b) This section shall not apply to any person who commits
an act that results in the death of a fetus if any of the
following apply:
(1) The act complied with the Therapeutic Abortion Act,
Article 2 (commencing with Section 123400) of Chapter 2 of
Part 2 of Division 106 of the Health and Safety Code.
(2) The act was committed by a holder of a physician's and
surgeon' s certificate, as defined in the Business and
Professions Code, in a case where, to a medical certainty,
the result of childbirth would be death of the mother of the
fetus or where her death from childbirth, although not
medically certain, would be substantially certain or more
likely than not.
(3) The act was solicited, aided, abetted, or consented to
by the mother of the fetus.
(c) Subdivision (b) shall not be construed to prohibit the
prosecution of any person under any other provision of law.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199

Note 3, which clearly exempts abortion.

Now exactly how does this not show abortion is not murder? Did you
note section 1, which says the law covers both a human being and a
fetus and thus establishes they are not the same?

I can think about killing a tree long before I cut it down but that
does not make killing a tree murder.

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

At the beginning I asked you to cite the law.

I also (If you take the
time to look back) said if indeed it is a law it doesn't make it right.

From time to time laws get overturned.

Now my next question to you, is there a study on WHICH ethnic group is
the most aborted?

Attila < wrote:

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:47:45 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RO-dnd54ZL15bWXZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 06:20:50 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<6-adndk3cNNYrmXZnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:22:14 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<fbKdnUmwIrTlOmrZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

robpar wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:45:15 -0400, "Mr. Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-wo=

http://www.lifenews.com/nat2552.html

A pro-liar magazine.

Springfield, IL (LifeNews.com) -- A new survey shows women con=

abortion want to know information about the risks and dangers =

with it beforehand. The survey stands in stark contrast to the=

abortion advocates take in opposition to legislation allowing =

to know the potential medical problems abortion presents.

Typical theist lie, there are no abortion advocates.
Pro-choice advocates the rights of women to choose for them
selves.

To choose what?

You can stop practicing stupidity, *****. You've achieved it.

Do you always support a persons right to choose without knowing =

the choices might be?

Why do you hate liberty?

the freedom to murder an un-born child is NOT liberty. It is murde=

But abortion, being legal, is not and cannot be murder.

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Legal huh? Want to cite the law for me? You sure it wasn't just a co=

decision?

Main Entry: 1mur=B7der
Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old
English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Old
French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor;
akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors
death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
Date: before 12th century
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with
malice aforethought
2 a : something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was
murder> b : something outrageous or blameworthy <getting
away with murder>

I do believe I asked to have the law cited. and I believe murder
involves aforethought as noted above?

How about

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=3DUS&vol=3D410&i=

This is case law from SCOUS.

The definition (do you know what that is) of murder states it must
contain an illegal component.

Therefore, being legal, abortion cannot be illegal and thus cannot be
murder.

For example:

California Penal Code

187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being,
or a fetus, with malice aforethought.
(b) This section shall not apply to any person who commits
an act that results in the death of a fetus if any of the
following apply:
(1) The act complied with the Therapeutic Abortion Act,
Article 2 (commencing with Section 123400) of Chapter 2 of
Part 2 of Division 106 of the Health and Safety Code.
(2) The act was committed by a holder of a physician's and
surgeon' s certificate, as defined in the Business and
Professions Code, in a case where, to a medical certainty,
the result of childbirth would be death of the mother of the
fetus or where her death from childbirth, although not
medically certain, would be substantially certain or more
likely than not.
(3) The act was solicited, aided, abetted, or consented to
by the mother of the fetus.
(c) Subdivision (b) shall not be construed to prohibit the
prosecution of any person under any other provision of law.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=3Dpen&group=3D000=

Note 3, which clearly exempts abortion.

Now exactly how does this not show abortion is not murder? Did you
note section 1, which says the law covers both a human being and a
fetus and thus establishes they are not the same?

I can think about killing a tree long before I cut it down but that
does not make killing a tree murder.

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

At the beginning I asked you to cite the law. I also (If you take the
time to look back) said if indeed it is a law it doesn't make it right.
From time to time laws get overturned.

Now my next question to you, is there a study on WHICH ethnic group is
the most aborted?

There used to be an abortifacient herb called Silphium which grew only in
Cyrenaica, now eastern Libya. Used heavily by the Greeks, it was gradually
overharvested until it went extinct during the reign of Nero.

"Day Brown" <daybrown@wildblue.net> wrote in message
news:QcOJg.108$hU6.176246@news.sisna.com...

Turns out that there are lotsa temperate zone plants that have evolved a
defense strategy to prevent herbivores from eating them. The plants cause
infertility (birth control) and/or abortions.

There's a *reason* "Bachelor Button" is so named, and why "Blessed
Thistle" is blessed. There's also motherwort, wild yam, and many other
plants that the herbal manuals warn pregnant women to *avoid* using.

I have seen this work with wild life in my neck of Ozark woods, and I know
of midwives and witches who are now back in the "family planning"
business.

No appointment, no clinic, no protesters, no doctor, no bill, no
prescription, no adoption sermon, no problems with pharmacists, and no
parental consent. Just nearly free abortion on demand.

Other witches are quietly in private email spreading the word; there is no
need to let the fundies know what is going on.

Well, they know now! Thanks a lot!

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:57:25 -0500, Day Brown wrote:

Turns out that there are lotsa temperate zone plants that have evolved a
defense strategy to prevent herbivores from eating them. The plants cause
infertility (birth control) and/or abortions.

There's a *reason* "Bachelor Button" is so named, and why "Blessed
Thistle" is blessed. There's also motherwort, wild yam, and many other
plants that the herbal manuals warn pregnant women to *avoid* using.

I have seen this work with wild life in my neck of Ozark woods, and I know
of midwives and witches who are now back in the "family planning"
business.

No appointment, no clinic, no protesters, no doctor, no bill, no
prescription, no adoption sermon, no problems with pharmacists, and no
parental consent. Just nearly free abortion on demand.

Other witches are quietly in private email spreading the word; there is no
need to let the fundies know what is going on.

That's all well and good, but it is still worth fighting to defend a
woman's *right* to have an abortion if she so desires.

The abortion debate is over, every honest person
concedes that it's morally wrong.