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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Paul Abeles" |
| Date: |
01 Jun 2004 02:31:31 AM |
| Object: |
Wonderful world of atheism |
The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of religious
dietary laws.
The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without the
restrictions of religious laws.
The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
religious bigotry.
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| User: "bogie" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
02 Jun 2004 11:36:06 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.02.02.20.15.809786@hoo.com-amikchi...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:59:30 -0700 in episode
<MPG.1b267ffbea1ff3339897ce@news.west.cox.net> we saw our hero Enkidu
<enkidu@leaddogs.org>:
In article <40BCD010.4DC47C8D@a.com>, says...
Judaism still has the ideas of the 7 Noahide Laws. Talk about control!
You can believe whatever you want as long as you follow our laws first.
Otherwise we'll kill you.
CHRIST ON A CRUTCH! Does anyone know of a news reader that filters out
top posts?
Hm... maybe we could whip up a plug in...
Yes! Please....
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 02:32:53 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:18:08 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
You have all of those freedoms, YOU ARE NOT JEWISH!
Thank ***** for that!
So if we choose not to
have those freedoms, it our choice and not yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can immerse yourself in your delusions as much as you want, just
don't ask me to join you. Not that you would as a Jew - perhaps you
can tell your fellow theist christians to keep their silly
superstitions to theirselves.
"JPG" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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| On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:31:31 GMT, "Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam>
| wrote:
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| >The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of religious
| >dietary laws.
| >
| >The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without
the
| >restrictions of religious laws.
| >
| >The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
| >religious bigotry.
| >
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| The freedom to blaspheme.
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| The freedom not have bits of my ***** (or in certain religions female bits)
cut
| off.
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| The freedom not to wear silly bits of religious headgear or other
clothing.
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| The freedom to perform personal hygiene how *I* like.
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| The freedom not have to waste time talking to an imaginary being.
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| The freedom not to have to waste time going to
| church/synagogue/temple/tabernacle/mosque/chapel.
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| The freedom to have one of those Darwin fish on my bumper.
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| The freedom to learn about the world as it really is, not as some
4,000-year old
| goat herders thought it was.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
02 Jun 2004 08:45:49 AM |
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"JPG" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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You can immerse yourself in your delusions as much as you want, just
don't ask me to join you. Not that you would as a Jew - perhaps you
can tell your fellow theist christians to keep their silly
superstitions to theirselves.
We can't get them to leave us alone - what makes you think we can get them
to leave YOU alone?
Susan
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| User: "bogie" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
02 Jun 2004 11:36:47 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hSkvc.13386$Lq1.1351@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
"JPG" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:j9mpb0l18rr9smtd9guh5ld9de5k3ikjre@4ax.com...
You can immerse yourself in your delusions as much as you want, just
don't ask me to join you. Not that you would as a Jew - perhaps you
can tell your fellow theist christians to keep their silly
superstitions to theirselves.
We can't get them to leave us alone - what makes you think we can get them
to leave YOU alone?
LOL! Good point!
bogie
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| User: "Sheldon Liberman" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 06:29:05 AM |
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Paul Abeles wrote:
The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of religious
dietary laws.
The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without the
restrictions of religious laws.
The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
religious bigotry.
You forgot to mention the freedom to live in blissful ignorance, which
is what you've chosen to do. You also seem to have abandoned common
sense even within your self-made purgatory: people who aren't athiests
do the same.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
02 Jun 2004 12:47:45 AM |
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"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40BC6881.6060709@sympatico.ca...
Paul Abeles wrote:
The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of religious
dietary laws.
The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without
the
restrictions of religious laws.
The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
religious bigotry.
You forgot to mention the freedom to live in blissful ignorance, which
is what you've chosen to do. You also seem to have abandoned common
sense even within your self-made purgatory: people who aren't athiests
do the same.
Ignorant of what Shelly? Of what knowledge are atheists lacking.
Please be specific and provide evidence.
Huh? No?
Didn't think so.
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| User: "Sheldon Liberman" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
02 Jun 2004 01:19:54 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40BC6881.6060709@sympatico.ca...
Paul Abeles wrote:
The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of religious
dietary laws.
The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without
the
restrictions of religious laws.
The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
religious bigotry.
You forgot to mention the freedom to live in blissful ignorance, which
is what you've chosen to do. You also seem to have abandoned common
sense even within your self-made purgatory: people who aren't athiests
do the same.
Ignorant of what Shelly? Of what knowledge are atheists lacking.
Please be specific and provide evidence.
Huh? No?
Didn't think so.
I'll thank you not to thank liberties with my name, Goeff. I'd hate to
think you were showing a lack of respect that would contribute to the
degeneration of this discussion into a mud-slinging event.
I was simply referring to those who chose not to study the arguments
offered by the religions that promote the concept of monotheism, rather
than assume the atheist argument simply on the ground that it suits
their own intuition.
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| User: "bogie" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 09:28:10 AM |
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"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40BC6881.6060709@sympatico.ca...
Paul Abeles wrote:
The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of religious
dietary laws.
The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without
the
restrictions of religious laws.
The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
religious bigotry.
You forgot to mention the freedom to live in blissful ignorance, which
is what you've chosen to do. You also seem to have abandoned common
sense even within your self-made purgatory: people who aren't athiests
do the same.
That'd be because the blissful ignorance you mention is not a hallmark of
atheism (please note the correct spelling). Ignorance is a symptom of
religion, my friend. And common sense is actually not common at all. Is it
common sense to believe in a supernatural something whose attributes are
self-contraditory, and whose actions can be explained naturalistically? Is
it common sense to live life according to a collection of scribblings and
rants, written by bronze age nomads, much of the contents of which have been
shown false? Is it common sense to worship somebody who has the power to
significantly alleviate, if not end, the pain and suffering of innocent
people, yet does not do so? Is it common sense to look at the mountains of
evidence for evolution, and then say that some god placed it all there to
test our faith?
Ignorance may be bliss, friend; but knowledge is freedom.
bogie
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 10:47:58 AM |
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"bogie" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_n0vc.13775$DG4.7345@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40BC6881.6060709@sympatico.ca...
Paul Abeles wrote:
The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of
religious
dietary laws.
The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without
the
restrictions of religious laws.
The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
religious bigotry.
You forgot to mention the freedom to live in blissful ignorance, which
is what you've chosen to do. You also seem to have abandoned common
sense even within your self-made purgatory: people who aren't athiests
do the same.
That'd be because the blissful ignorance you mention is not a hallmark of
atheism (please note the correct spelling). Ignorance is a symptom of
religion, my friend. And common sense is actually not common at all. Is
it
common sense to believe in a supernatural something whose attributes are
self-contraditory, and whose actions can be explained naturalistically?
WHOSE actions?...
ROFL!!!
TK9
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| User: "Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 09:39:00 AM |
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Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
"bogie" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_n0vc.13775$DG4.7345@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
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| "Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:40BC6881.6060709@sympatico.ca...
| >
| >
| > Paul Abeles wrote:
| > > The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of
religious
| > > dietary laws.
| > >
| > > The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without
| the
| > > restrictions of religious laws.
| > >
| > > The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
| > > religious bigotry.
| > >
| >
| > You forgot to mention the freedom to live in blissful ignorance, which
| > is what you've chosen to do. You also seem to have abandoned common
| > sense even within your self-made purgatory: people who aren't athiests
| > do the same.
|
| That'd be because the blissful ignorance you mention is not a hallmark of
| atheism (please note the correct spelling). Ignorance is a symptom of
| religion, my friend. And common sense is actually not common at all. Is
it
| common sense to believe in a supernatural something whose attributes are
| self-contraditory, and whose actions can be explained naturalistically?
Is
| it common sense to live life according to a collection of scribblings and
| rants, written by bronze age nomads, much of the contents of which have
been
| shown false? Is it common sense to worship somebody who has the power to
| significantly alleviate, if not end, the pain and suffering of innocent
| people, yet does not do so? Is it common sense to look at the mountains
of
| evidence for evolution, and then say that some god placed it all there to
| test our faith?
|
| Ignorance may be bliss, friend; but knowledge is freedom.
|
| bogie
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 10:57:17 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
"bogie" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_n0vc.13775$DG4.7345@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
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| "Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:40BC6881.6060709@sympatico.ca...
| >
| >
| > Paul Abeles wrote:
| > > The freedom to enjoy fine cuisine without the restrictions of
religious
| > > dietary laws.
| > >
| > > The freedom to enjoy the company and touch of the opposite sex without
| the
| > > restrictions of religious laws.
| > >
| > > The freedom to marry the person you love without the restrictions of
| > > religious bigotry.
| > >
| >
| > You forgot to mention the freedom to live in blissful ignorance, which
| > is what you've chosen to do. You also seem to have abandoned common
| > sense even within your self-made purgatory: people who aren't athiests
| > do the same.
|
| That'd be because the blissful ignorance you mention is not a hallmark of
| atheism (please note the correct spelling). Ignorance is a symptom of
| religion, my friend. And common sense is actually not common at all. Is
it
| common sense to believe in a supernatural something whose attributes are
| self-contraditory, and whose actions can be explained naturalistically?
Is
| it common sense to live life according to a collection of scribblings and
| rants, written by bronze age nomads, much of the contents of which have
been
| shown false? Is it common sense to worship somebody who has the power to
| significantly alleviate, if not end, the pain and suffering of innocent
| people, yet does not do so? Is it common sense to look at the mountains
of
| evidence for evolution, and then say that some god placed it all there to
| test our faith?
|
| Ignorance may be bliss, friend; but knowledge is freedom.
|
| bogie
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 11:12:48 AM |
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"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
TK9
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| User: "Relaxification" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
03 Jun 2004 08:55:48 PM |
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message news:<4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
TK9
You can't prove a negative. You do
know this, right? Asking someone to prove a negative assertion in order to
disprove a positive one is a grade school mistake. Here's why:
Me: Can you prove you didn't beat your wife?
You: What?
Me: Can you prove it?
You: But I don't beat my wife. I've never beaten my wife.
Me: But you can't prove it, can you?
You: Well, no, I guess not. I mean, she's not even here.
Me: WIFE BEATER! YOU ARE A WIFE BEATER!
----
See why it doesn't make sense? You guys, Christians (I'm assuming you're a
Christian) claim there's a supernatural being out there. It's up to you to
prove he's real, not up to me to disprove it. I could claim I can levitate,
right? But the proof would be if I demonstrated that I could. A demand for
you to disprove that I could levitate would be futile.
Hope this helps.
mf
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
04 Jun 2004 12:11:02 PM |
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"Relaxification" <relaxification@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dae65ca5.0406031755.4c02a457@posting.google.com...
"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
news:<4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
TK9
You can't prove a negative. You do
know this, right? Asking someone to prove a negative assertion in order
to
disprove a positive one is a grade school mistake. Here's why:
Me: Can you prove you didn't beat your wife?
You: What?
Me: Can you prove it?
You: But I don't beat my wife. I've never beaten my wife.
Me: But you can't prove it, can you?
You: Well, no, I guess not. I mean, she's not even here.
Me: WIFE BEATER! YOU ARE A WIFE BEATER!
----
See why it doesn't make sense? You guys, Christians (I'm assuming you're
a
Christian) claim there's a supernatural being out there. It's up to you
to
prove he's real, not up to me to disprove it. I could claim I can
levitate,
right? But the proof would be if I demonstrated that I could. A demand
for
you to disprove that I could levitate would be futile.
Hope this helps.
mf
You're a regular philosopher!
But don't quit your day job...
TK9
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 11:28:48 AM |
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In article <4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of" Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 11:29:31 AM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b264e9c12d49e2b9897c8@news.west.cox.net...
In article <4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of" Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
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| User: "Another Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 11:39:04 AM |
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
news:L92vc.17713$Tn6.14623@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b264e9c12d49e2b9897c8@news.west.cox.net...
In article <4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of" Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
Quoting from works of fiction doesn't help prove your point, does it?
--
Another Apostate
anotherapo@hotmail.com
aa #2182 EAC Director of Covert Operations and Black Helicopter Pilot
"If you are ethical only because you believe in God, you are buying your
ticket to heaven or trying to tear up your ticket to hell. In either case,
you are just being a shrewd profiteer, nothing else. The idea of being
ethical is to be ethical for no reason except that that is the way to be if
you want the world to run smoothly. I think that people who say virtue is
its own reward or honesty is the best policy have the right idea."
-Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 04:24:27 PM |
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"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ii2vc.13807$DG4.8515@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
"Doobie doobie doo"
Frank Sinatra
Quoting from works of fiction doesn't help prove your point, does it?
But it *is* fun!
Susan
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 05:17:02 PM |
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In article <fu6vc.23178$oh7.15638@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
flaviaR@verizon.net says...
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ii2vc.13807$DG4.8515@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
"Doobie doobie doo"
Frank Sinatra
"Do be a do bee."
Miss Nancy, Romper Room
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "bogie" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 08:58:37 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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In article <fu6vc.23178$oh7.15638@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
flaviaR@verizon.net says...
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
"Doobie doobie doo"
Frank Sinatra
"Do be a do bee."
Miss Nancy, Romper Room
"Oobie Doobie"
Roy Orbison
bogie
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 04:41:09 PM |
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TV's Susan Cohen wrote:
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
"Doobie doobie doo"
Frank Sinatra
"God is dead"
-Friedrich Nietzsche
--
"A vote for Bush is a character flaw" - Janeane Garofalo
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Jez" |
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02 Jun 2004 11:22:57 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2i4bfmFinap2U1@uni-berlin.de...
TV's Susan Cohen wrote:
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
"Doobie doobie doo"
Frank Sinatra
"God is dead"
-Friedrich Nietzsche
"Titties and beer, titties and beer."- Frank Zappa.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Jun 2004 01:37:03 PM |
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In article <40bdfec0$0$25328$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, Jez says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2i4bfmFinap2U1@uni-berlin.de...
TV's Susan Cohen wrote:
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ii2vc.13807$DG4.8515@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
"Doobie doobie doo"
Frank Sinatra
"God is dead"
-Friedrich Nietzsche
"Titties and beer, titties and beer."- Frank Zappa.
"Silver and gold" - Snowman as played by the late Burl Ives
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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01 Jun 2004 01:00:53 PM |
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"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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In article <4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of
God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of"
Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
"Yabba Dabba Doo."
- Fred Flintstone
Quoting from works of fiction doesn't help prove your point, does it?
I am not trying to "proove" anything: we are talking about the matters of
BELIEF, you moron.
But the quotation from Shakespeare put things in perspective (of course, for
those who are capable of seeing things in perspective...)
TK9
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 12:30:04 PM |
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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In article <4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of" Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
Quoting from fiction, just like the bible another fiction.
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 01:05:53 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b264e9c12d49e2b9897c8@news.west.cox.net...
In article <4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of
God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of"
Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
Quoting from fiction, just like the bible another fiction.
You do it more often than me, mamzer - to "prove" your points!...
I simply put things in perspective - the philosophies you people dream up do
not exhaust the wonders of G-d's Nature.
But hey, I don't mind you being atheists - just don't come trolling to the
religious forums.
TK9
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 01:09:32 PM |
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"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
news:w23vc.930$rz4.205@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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In article <4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any
messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave
you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence of
God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of"
Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
Quoting from fiction, just like the bible another fiction.
You do it more often than me, mamzer - to "prove" your points!...
I simply put things in perspective - the philosophies you people dream up
do
not exhaust the wonders of G-d's Nature.
But hey, I don't mind you being atheists - just don't come trolling to the
religious forums.
TK9
Perhaps you can quote from the Merchant of Venice?
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| User: "TonyaK9" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 01:21:51 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
news:wD3vc.945$rz4.339@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
news:w23vc.930$rz4.205@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"TonyaK9" <TonK911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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In article
<4W1vc.17691$Tn6.1333@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb9pb0pkqv8t2biah8k3bjrorbi5eqbksk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Riain Barton"
<riain@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Man's religion is a sign of ignorance -- G-d's message is
not.
Since there has NEVER been any credible evidence that any
messages
have ever been received from any gods, where does that leave
you?
There has never been found any credible proof of non-existence
of
God.
Yet it does not stop YOU from BELIEVING that there is none...
Nor has there "been found any credible proof of non-existence of"
Santa,
the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, or Thor. You must believe in a
lot!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
Quoting from fiction, just like the bible another fiction.
You do it more often than me, mamzer - to "prove" your points!...
I simply put things in perspective - the philosophies you people dream
up
do
not exhaust the wonders of G-d's Nature.
But hey, I don't mind you being atheists - just don't come trolling to
the
religious forums.
TK9
Perhaps you can quote from the Merchant of Venice?
I'll let you do that - to remind everybody here, once again, who YOU are!
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 02:53:40 PM |
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In article <5A3vc.17812$Tn6.11052@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
You do it more often than me, mamzer - to "prove" your points!...
I simply put things in perspective - the philosophies you people dream up do
not exhaust the wonders of G-d's Nature.
But hey, I don't mind you being atheists - just don't come trolling to the
religious forums.
You DO know how to remove a group from a reply before you post it,
right? Remove alt.atheism, and you won't be trolling in an atheist
newsgroup.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Wonderful world of atheism |
01 Jun 2004 10:50:45 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:53:40 -0700 in episode
<MPG.1b267e8b933e2e029897cc@news.west.cox.net> we saw our hero Enkidu
<enkidu@leaddogs.org>:
In article <5A3vc.17812$Tn6.11052@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
TonK911@excite.com says...
You do it more often than me, mamzer - to "prove" your points!... I
simply put things in perspective - the philosophies you people dream up
do not exhaust the wonders of G-d's Nature. But hey, I don't mind you
being atheists - just don't come trolling to the religious forums.
You DO know how to remove a group from a reply before you post it, right?
Remove alt.atheism, and you won't be trolling in an atheist newsgroup.
To be fair, this is another stunt by Abeles who claims to be atheist. I
know most of the time theists start the xposting fests but not this time.
In *fact, most of the times I've seen spats between alt.atheism and a
Jewish newsgroup, Abeles is not far away...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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