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"Saville" |
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14 Jun 2004 07:09:43 PM |
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Worship?? |
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
14 Jun 2004 07:50:49 PM |
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
Good question. If I invented a computer program whose sole purpose was to
sing my praises, I would hope someone would have me committed.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 03:58:28 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:50:49 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
Good question. If I invented a computer program whose sole purpose was to
sing my praises, I would hope someone would have me committed.
10 print 'praise be to Denis'
20 print 'all rejoice in Denis'
30 goto 10
40 end
BASIC is divine! :-)
Auberge d'EAC
** menu du jour **
[Holy] Pigeon Coated with Mango Sauce - a divine dish!
Votre chef:# aa 1987.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 08:51:56 AM |
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"Jos Flachs" <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:50:49 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
Good question. If I invented a computer program whose sole purpose was to
sing my praises, I would hope someone would have me committed.
10 print 'praise be to Denis'
20 print 'all rejoice in Denis'
30 goto 10
40 end
BASIC is divine! :-)
:)
You're the Creator and you have created Theist 1.0.
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RB
AA#2187
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 10:22:47 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jung@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
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"Jos Flachs" <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:50:49 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
Good question. If I invented a computer program whose sole purpose was
to
sing my praises, I would hope someone would have me committed.
10 print 'praise be to Denis'
20 print 'all rejoice in Denis'
30 goto 10
40 end
Ewww! That's embarrassing to read. And deeply disturbing. (shudder)
BASIC is divine! :-)
I love gotos. Shame on me.
:)
You're the Creator and you have created Theist 1.0.
So that's the program set that utilizes the single neuron left operational
in a theist's brain. Yikes. Religion is really nothing but a glorified
"Hello" program.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
14 Jun 2004 08:23:49 PM |
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
It's for you, so you can have something to worship. And so it has to be the
Infinite Ultimate, All-Powerful, All-Wise, and All-That, because if it
wasn't then eventually it could be overthrown by something better, which
would leave you doubting, or at best emotionally traumatized.
But why do you need to worship? It's because you get lots of good-feeling
brain chemicals when you worship, but they're best sustained if you truly
believe. It's harder to truly believe when there are other people around who
don't believe, so you have to try to convince them to believe too. But even
if you don't, the act of trying to convince them enhances the flow of the
happy chemicals, so you still get your reward.
You get a whole lot of reward when you're in fellowship with a lot of people
who believe just the same, and have been whipped into a frenzy of happy
chemicals by someone who knows how to manipulate their state of mind. The
more the merrier, because the more believers there are, the harder it is to
break that state of mind.
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| User: "Solomon Kozanski" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 01:10:07 AM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
It's for you, so you can have something to worship. And so it has to be
the
Infinite Ultimate, All-Powerful, All-Wise, and All-That, because if it
wasn't then eventually it could be overthrown by something better, which
would leave you doubting, or at best emotionally traumatized.
But why do you need to worship? It's because you get lots of good-feeling
brain chemicals when you worship, but they're best sustained if you truly
believe. It's harder to truly believe when there are other people around
who
don't believe, so you have to try to convince them to believe too. But
even
if you don't, the act of trying to convince them enhances the flow of the
happy chemicals, so you still get your reward.
You get a whole lot of reward when you're in fellowship with a lot of
people
who believe just the same, and have been whipped into a frenzy of happy
chemicals by someone who knows how to manipulate their state of mind. The
more the merrier, because the more believers there are, the harder it is
to
break that state of mind.
agreed. what better way to enslave and control the minds of the masses than
to use the desire for cognitive consonance against them?
just listen to the man with the gun and believe whatever he tells you and
maybe you'll be allowed to live.
--
Brought to you courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 12:05:24 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:23:49 -0500, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
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"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
It's for you, so you can have something to worship.
But I dont want to worship anything.
So "No thank's"
And so it has to be the
Infinite Ultimate, All-Powerful, All-Wise, and All-That, because if it
wasn't then eventually it could be overthrown by something better, which
would leave you doubting, or at best emotionally traumatized.
But why do you need to worship?
I don't.
It's because you get lots of good-feeling
brain chemicals when you worship, but they're best sustained if you truly
believe.
That's possibly true for others - its false for myself.
It's harder to truly believe when there are other people around who
don't believe, so you have to try to convince them to believe too. But even
if you don't, the act of trying to convince them enhances the flow of the
happy chemicals, so you still get your reward.
You get a whole lot of reward when you're in fellowship with a lot of people
who believe just the same, and have been whipped into a frenzy of happy
chemicals by someone who knows how to manipulate their state of mind. The
more the merrier, because the more believers there are, the harder it is to
break that state of mind.
Creepy.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 01:50:28 AM |
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"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:23:49 -0500, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
wrote:
"Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote in message
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If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
It's for you, so you can have something to worship.
But I dont want to worship anything.
So "No thank's"
Come on, get with the program!
And so it has to be the
Infinite Ultimate, All-Powerful, All-Wise, and All-That, because if it
wasn't then eventually it could be overthrown by something better, which
would leave you doubting, or at best emotionally traumatized.
But why do you need to worship?
I don't.
Hey, I'm the one answering my own questions here!
It's because you get lots of good-feeling
brain chemicals when you worship, but they're best sustained if you truly
believe.
That's possibly true for others - its false for myself.
I'm sure it isn't something that can't be fixed by correcting your attitude.
It's harder to truly believe when there are other people around who
don't believe, so you have to try to convince them to believe too. But
even
if you don't, the act of trying to convince them enhances the flow of the
happy chemicals, so you still get your reward.
You get a whole lot of reward when you're in fellowship with a lot of
people
who believe just the same, and have been whipped into a frenzy of happy
chemicals by someone who knows how to manipulate their state of mind. The
more the merrier, because the more believers there are, the harder it is
to
break that state of mind.
Creepy.
Yes, very. Right now on Daystar they're discussing how to tell the
difference between prophesies that come from the Holy Spirit and those that
don't. Why do those people all have such weird hair? Now there's a piece
about the beauty of God's Rainforest, with serene music sung in Latin, and
peaceful video from a rainforest, maybe in the Pacific Northwestern US?
Actually it isn't bad compared to most of the stuff on Daystar. I thought
Christians hated the rainforest and anything else associated with liberal
treehuggers.
Anyway, I switched over to Daystar to find more examples of creepy brain
chemical manipulation, but maybe that's only in primetime.
But this treehugger thing, which is still on by the way, is actually a good
example of something that can work on atheists and believers alike. I mean,
most atheists do have a sense of awe and wonder about some things, natural
beauty being one of them, and this is the basis for the happy chemicals
released by religious experience.
Aha, CreationScapes, that's what I'm watching. And you can buy the
videotapes and enjoy the beauty of God's creation. Kind of reminds me of the
death room in Soylent Green.
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| User: "Clothaire" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
14 Jun 2004 11:54:56 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:09:43 +0100, "Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
An even better question. Why would an omi-everything god seek
direction (prayers) from idiots like Duke or Xymoron?
Clothaire #1392
"Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought
half as good. Fortunately, this is not difficult."
-- Charlotte Whitton
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
14 Jun 2004 09:16:52 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:09:43 +0100, "Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
It wouldnt.
A demi god or deamon might.
So the christians/jews/muslims must actually worship a lesser Deamon
with ideas above it's station.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
14 Jun 2004 08:10:24 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:09:43 +0100, "Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
I've asked that of theists here for years without ever getting a
response. If anyone feels up to answering it, go right ahead. I won't
hold my breath.
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| User: "Desdinova" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
14 Jun 2004 08:21:11 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:09:43 +0100, "Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
I've asked that of theists here for years without ever getting a
response. If anyone feels up to answering it, go right ahead. I won't
hold my breath.
It would seem their omnipotent, omincient, omnibenevolent deity needs to
have it's ego massaged or it gets depressed and starts smiteing it's
followers. You'd think will all the attributed usually ascribed to it that
it would be more secure.
--
Desdinova - AA #2182
Remove "nospam" for e-mail
EAC Director of Covert Ops and Black Helicopter Pilot
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism
is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the
Tree of
Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be as smart as God. We can't
have that."
- Frank Zappa
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 08:04:54 AM |
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Desdinova wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:09:43 +0100, "Saville" <saville@uk.com> wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
I've asked that of theists here for years without ever getting a
response. If anyone feels up to answering it, go right ahead. I won't
hold my breath.
It would seem their omnipotent, omincient, omnibenevolent deity needs to
have it's ego massaged or it gets depressed and starts smiteing it's
followers. You'd think will all the attributed usually ascribed to it that
it would be more secure.
As most commonly portrayed, God shows all the signs of an abusive
husband/father.
--
Gregory Gadow for Washington State House
Independent, District 43
http://www.gregory-gadow.info
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Jun 2004 11:44:36 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:09:43 +0100, Saville wrote in alt.atheism:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
Terminal insecurity. It requires constant validation from created
life-forms that are reproducing parrots.
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| User: "bob young" |
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14 Jun 2004 11:43:04 PM |
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Saville wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
Because many people are insecure so humans created thousands
of gods. They were all worshipped for the simple reason their
gods were supposed to prevent evil things happening to them.
It is all rather banal.
Bob
A Brit.
HongKong
"Oh man! You who cannot create a worm yet you create gods by
the dozens!"
[Michel Montaigne]
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 10:58:34 AM |
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Saville wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
Insecurity?
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Worship?? |
15 Jun 2004 12:47:59 AM |
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TV's Saville wrote:
If God exists, why would he/she want us to worship him/her?
You see, Gawd has low self esteem. It stems from childhood torment at the
hands of Zeus and Thor. He's kinda touchy about it, so don't bring it up
around him.
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