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"Jim Roberts" |
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06 Mar 2007 04:25:45 PM |
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Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? |
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
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| User: "Baron Sydney von Harbour Bridge" |
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| Title: Re: Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? |
06 Mar 2007 04:38:43 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
One witness is a Christian and takes the
oath on the Bible to tell the truth the
whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
" [ . . . ] I say to you, make no oath at all, [ . . . ]."
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell.
Matthew 5:34
The other witness is an Atheist and only
affirms they will tell the truth.
What makes you think s/he's an Atheist? S/he could be one of the few
Christians who knows The Bible, like we Atheists do, and gay as well?
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
While you have the Christian's actions to demonstrate that s/he is a
hypocrite.
Who do you trust more?
You don't truth either: you weigh the evidence.
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win. Mohandas Gandhi
http://broomleigh.be/
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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06 Mar 2007 09:09:56 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
I've seen Christians lie quite often. I've seen Christian pastors lie
from the pulpit. Christian honesty has never impressed me.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"With religion, even the village idiot can feel like Einstein."
-- Denis Loubet
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| User: "kingdoodlesquat" |
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| Title: Re: Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? |
06 Mar 2007 05:46:21 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Lets look at the candidates, Ted Haggard (or an fundy of similar standing
such as a RC priest, etc) or Prof. Richard Dawkins (or an atheist of similar
standing, etc). Well, I know who I'd prefer to be giving evidence, & it
certainly isn't anyone worried about burning in "hell".
Swear on the bible? I'd rather ***** on it first.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? |
06 Mar 2007 10:27:13 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Neither. The theists fear of Hell is unfounded since Hell doesn't exist.
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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06 Mar 2007 04:39:41 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses
for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell
the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Some Christians lie all the time, under oath
or not. I've personally witnessed Christians
lying under oath in a court of law. That's not
to say all Christians lie, just that the so-called
threat of hell is no deterrent.
Hence, I would trust the witness who came
across more trustworthy, nevermind the
individual's religious beliefs. Any oath or
affirmation is useless except in a legal sense
that if someone is found to tell a lie under
oath/affirmation, they can be prosecuted
for perjury. Apparently even that real-life
threat isn't enough for some Christians who
believe they can get away with all kinds
of crap. Well, gee, because they DO.
Gail
aa#2247
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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06 Mar 2007 05:04:04 PM |
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On Mar 6, 10:39 pm, "Gail Futoran" <futo...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses
for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell
the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Some Christians lie all the time, under oath
or not. I've personally witnessed Christians
lying under oath in a court of law. That's not
to say all Christians lie, just that the so-called
threat of hell is no deterrent.
Hence, I would trust the witness who came
across more trustworthy, nevermind the
individual's religious beliefs. Any oath or
affirmation is useless except in a legal sense
that if someone is found to tell a lie under
oath/affirmation, they can be prosecuted
for perjury. Apparently even that real-life
threat isn't enough for some Christians who
believe they can get away with all kinds
of crap. Well, gee, because they DO.
Gail
aa#2247
So you think it's really a meaningless ritual?
The threat to the Christian, in their own mind, is a post-mortem one,
eternal damnation. That's pretty serious for the believer. Were your
witnesses really "Christians" when they took their oaths?
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth? |
06 Mar 2007 05:37:49 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173222244.355804.30820@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 6, 10:39 pm, "Gail Futoran" <futo...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses
for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell
the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Some Christians lie all the time, under oath
or not. I've personally witnessed Christians
lying under oath in a court of law. That's not
to say all Christians lie, just that the so-called
threat of hell is no deterrent.
Hence, I would trust the witness who came
across more trustworthy, nevermind the
individual's religious beliefs. Any oath or
affirmation is useless except in a legal sense
that if someone is found to tell a lie under
oath/affirmation, they can be prosecuted
for perjury. Apparently even that real-life
threat isn't enough for some Christians who
believe they can get away with all kinds
of crap. Well, gee, because they DO.
Gail
aa#2247
So you think it's really a meaningless ritual?
The threat to the Christian, in their own mind, is a post-mortem one,
eternal damnation. That's pretty serious for the believer. Were your
witnesses really "Christians" when they took their oaths?
The threat of "damnation" isn't much of a threat when the believers think
all they need to do is say the magic words and all is forgiven.
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Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "Baron Sydney von Harbour Bridge" |
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06 Mar 2007 05:48:24 PM |
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"G-Ride" <gridenospam42@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:556caeF235jp3U1@mid.individual.net:
The threat of "damnation" isn't much of a threat
when the believers think all they need to do is
say the magic words and all is forgiven.
Bless Me Reverend, for here are my tithes in cash?
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win. Mohandas Gandhi
http://broomleigh.be/
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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08 Mar 2007 08:13:10 AM |
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I missed Jim Roberts' response to my post, so I'm
piggy-backing on G-Ride's response.
"G-Ride" <gridenospam42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:556caeF235jp3U1@mid.individual.net...
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173222244.355804.30820@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 6, 10:39 pm, "Gail Futoran" <futo...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are
witnesses
for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to
tell
the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes
they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell
the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Some Christians lie all the time, under oath
or not. I've personally witnessed Christians
lying under oath in a court of law. That's not
to say all Christians lie, just that the so-called
threat of hell is no deterrent.
Hence, I would trust the witness who came
across more trustworthy, nevermind the
individual's religious beliefs. Any oath or
affirmation is useless except in a legal sense
that if someone is found to tell a lie under
oath/affirmation, they can be prosecuted
for perjury. Apparently even that real-life
threat isn't enough for some Christians who
believe they can get away with all kinds
of crap. Well, gee, because they DO.
Gail
aa#2247
So you think it's really a meaningless ritual?
Where did I state that? I made it clear that
lying under oath/affirmation is perjury which
is a criminal offense. That doesn't strike me
as a "meaningless ritual".
The threat to the Christian, in their own mind, is a post-mortem
one,
eternal damnation. That's pretty serious for the believer. Were
your
witnesses really "Christians" when they took their oaths?
Oh right, the usual excuse. They can't be
"Christians" because they didn't behave as
some observer thinks they should behave.
The threat of "damnation" isn't much of a threat when the believers
think all they need to do is say the magic words and all is
forgiven.
That's an excellent point. And one no Christian
(however defined) can argue against.
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Aloha, G-Ride
Gail
aa#2247
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08 Mar 2007 09:54:37 AM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173222244.355804.30820@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 6, 10:39 pm, "Gail Futoran" <futo...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses
for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell
the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Some Christians lie all the time, under oath
or not. I've personally witnessed Christians
lying under oath in a court of law. That's not
to say all Christians lie, just that the so-called
threat of hell is no deterrent.
Hence, I would trust the witness who came
across more trustworthy, nevermind the
individual's religious beliefs. Any oath or
affirmation is useless except in a legal sense
that if someone is found to tell a lie under
oath/affirmation, they can be prosecuted
for perjury. Apparently even that real-life
threat isn't enough for some Christians who
believe they can get away with all kinds
of crap. Well, gee, because they DO.
Gail
aa#2247
So you think it's really a meaningless ritual?
The threat to the Christian, in their own mind, is a post-mortem one,
eternal damnation. That's pretty serious for the believer. Were your
witnesses really "Christians" when they took their oaths?
But all they have to do is beg god's forgiveness and PRESTO! back up to
heaven they go. Christians believe repentant murders can go to heaven - why
not liars?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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06 Mar 2007 09:50:44 PM |
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In article <1173222244.355804.30820@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote:
So you think it's really a meaningless ritual?
It is a ritual that has a secular purpose, and so has equal meaning to
any person regardless of his/her religion. The use of a Bible (or at
least an object that everyone assumes is a Bible) is purely customary
and has no special meaning if it's used in a secular court.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Bob" |
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06 Mar 2007 07:29:08 PM |
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On 6 Mar 2007 15:04:04 -0800, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mar 6, 10:39 pm, "Gail Futoran" <futo...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses
for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell
the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Some Christians lie all the time, under oath
or not. I've personally witnessed Christians
lying under oath in a court of law. That's not
to say all Christians lie, just that the so-called
threat of hell is no deterrent.
Hence, I would trust the witness who came
across more trustworthy, nevermind the
individual's religious beliefs. Any oath or
affirmation is useless except in a legal sense
that if someone is found to tell a lie under
oath/affirmation, they can be prosecuted
for perjury. Apparently even that real-life
threat isn't enough for some Christians who
believe they can get away with all kinds
of crap. Well, gee, because they DO.
Gail
aa#2247
So you think it's really a meaningless ritual?
The threat to the Christian, in their own mind, is a post-mortem one,
eternal damnation. That's pretty serious for the believer. Were your
witnesses really "Christians" when they took their oaths?
I doubt many christians really believe that. Especially if they
thought they had a good reason to lie.
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07 Mar 2007 07:23:32 AM |
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On Mar 6, 6:04 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 6, 10:39 pm, "Gail Futoran" <futo...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses
for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell
the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Some Christians lie all the time, under oath
or not. I've personally witnessed Christians
lying under oath in a court of law. That's not
to say all Christians lie, just that the so-called
threat of hell is no deterrent.
Hence, I would trust the witness who came
across more trustworthy, nevermind the
individual's religious beliefs. Any oath or
affirmation is useless except in a legal sense
that if someone is found to tell a lie under
oath/affirmation, they can be prosecuted
for perjury. Apparently even that real-life
threat isn't enough for some Christians who
believe they can get away with all kinds
of crap. Well, gee, because they DO.
Gail
aa#2247
So you think it's really a meaningless ritual?
The threat to the Christian, in their own mind, is a post-mortem one,
eternal damnation. That's pretty serious for the believer. Were your
witnesses really "Christians" when they took their oaths?- Hide quoted text -
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That goinges into bagpiper territory, don't you think?
Hatter
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06 Mar 2007 05:18:58 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Neither has more to lose. Both risk a perjury charge is they lie on the
witness stand.
Who do you trust more?
Whichever witness has the more credible testimony. Of course, these 2
witnesses may be testifying about completely different things, so there may
well be no need to trust one more than the other.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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06 Mar 2007 06:11:42 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist who would tell the truth because he/she knows it
is the right thing to do. The Christian might lie because his/her
religion might tell them to for bigotted reasons. I've seen this
many times.
Now, why did you send this only to an atheist newsgroup?
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06 Mar 2007 05:49:51 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
Let's see, recent atheists who have lied...
....I can't think of any.
Recent Christians who have lied...
All we have to do is review Yang's postings, look at the Catholic church
pedophilia scandal, and realize that no Christian actually knows anything
about their god even though they claim they do.
I'll take the atheist please.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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06 Mar 2007 04:40:06 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist, of course, you fucking idiot.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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07 Mar 2007 05:25:16 PM |
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On 6 Mar, 17:40, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist, of course, you fucking idiot.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
You have been asked to step down from the jury as your answer shows
quite clearly that your personal prejudices influence your judgment.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Mar 2007 09:55:33 AM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173309916.857591.309280@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
On 6 Mar, 17:40, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist, of course, you fucking idiot.
You have been asked to step down from the jury as your answer shows
quite clearly that your personal prejudices influence your judgment.
That's nice - Now tell me why I should give a *****.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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07 Mar 2007 05:50:42 PM |
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On 7 Mar 2007 15:25:16 -0800, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 6 Mar, 17:40, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist, of course, you fucking idiot.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
You have been asked to step down from the jury as your answer shows
quite clearly that your personal prejudices influence your judgment.
A liar as well as idiot who imagines we should trust those who
publicly lie about atheists and atheism.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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07 Mar 2007 05:51:35 PM |
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On Mar 7, 3:25 pm, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 Mar, 17:40, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist, of course, you fucking idiot.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
You have been asked to step down from the jury as your answer shows
quite clearly that your personal prejudices influence your judgment.-
You've already proved you're delusional and not qualified to select a
jury.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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08 Mar 2007 02:19:29 AM |
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On Mar 8, 7:25 am, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 Mar, 17:40, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist, of course, you fucking idiot.
You have been asked to step down from the jury as your answer shows
quite clearly that your personal prejudices influence your judgment.
I wouldn't want a theist on a jury either. Remember the Spanish
Inquisition? The Salem Witch trials? If you want someone to have a
fair trial then a theist is not to be trusted for jury duty. Period.
Martin
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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06 Mar 2007 05:43:21 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173219945.282579.258140@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
The atheist.
The Christian believes he will be forgiven.
The atheist has no such recourse.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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06 Mar 2007 05:24:13 PM |
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Atheists _do_ tell the truth.
You theists lie every day when you shove your ***** about gods down
our throats.
Martin
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| User: "Mettas Mother" |
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06 Mar 2007 10:19:05 PM |
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That is the order of GOD!
God does not want Christians in heaven.
So Atheists are ordered to provoke Christians
into crimes!
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173223453.460816.262420@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Atheists _do_ tell the truth.
You theists lie every day when you shove your ***** about gods down
our throats.
Martin
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: TQOTM (was Re: Would you trust an Atheist to tell the truth?) |
07 Mar 2007 07:11:47 AM |
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It would be better if it made sense.
On Mar 7, 12:19 pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
That is the order of GOD!
God does not want Christians in heaven.
So Atheists are ordered to provoke Christians
into crimes!
Martin
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| User: "Mettas Mother" |
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07 Mar 2007 07:20:13 AM |
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If it makes sense then those idiots would find out and
the whole plan would fail.
It is best kept secret!
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173273107.451281.311330@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
It would be better if it made sense.
On Mar 7, 12:19 pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
That is the order of GOD!
God does not want Christians in heaven.
So Atheists are ordered to provoke Christians
into crimes!
Martin
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| User: "Joshua Aaron" |
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06 Mar 2007 06:21:03 PM |
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I believe the witness who tells the truth. The atheist of course.
Simple question = simple answer. I trust the atheist as he does not
support a belief in imaginary friends and otherwise. Why?
Jim Roberts wrote:
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
Who do you trust more?
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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06 Mar 2007 08:39:34 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 6 Mar 2007 14:25:45 -0800, "Jim Roberts"
<cjdroberts@gmail.com> let us all know that:
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
The atheist.
Who do you trust more?
The atheist.
Hint: bashing atheist won't work, since a sect of xers known
as the Quakers do not swear oaths, either. They affirm.
Betcha didn't know that.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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07 Mar 2007 05:44:16 PM |
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On 6 Mar, 21:39, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 6 Mar 2007 14:25:45 -0800, "JimRoberts"
<cjdrobe...@gmail.com> let us all know that:
You are in court. You are member of the jury.
There are two witnesses. It matters not whether they are witnesses for
the defence or prosecution.
All things being equal:-
One witness is a Christian and takes the oath on the Bible to tell the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God.
If this witness lies, he goes to Hell. That is he/she believes they
will go to Hell.
The other witness is an Atheist and only affirms they will tell the
truth.
You only have this witness' word that they will not lie.
Who has more to lose [in their expectation] if they lie?
The atheist.
Who do you trust more?
The atheist.
Hint: bashing atheist won't work, since a sect of xers known
as the Quakers do not swear oaths, either. They affirm.
Betcha didn't know that.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
You have been asked to step down from the jury as your answer shows
quite clearly that your personal prejudices influence your judgment.
[I knew that]
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