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"dangdangdoodle" |
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26 Jan 2005 02:50:46 AM |
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Wouldn't it be great? |
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
Wouldn't it be great if there really was a santa clause and all you
had to do was be good and go to bed on time, and everybody who didn't
believe in him got absolutely nothing on christmas? And the good kids
who were paranoid enough to believe that santa clause was always
watching, even when they were going to the bathroom, got all the great
presents?
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: Wouldn't it be great? |
26 Jan 2005 05:54:43 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:50:46 -0800, dangdangdoodle
<noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote or quoted :
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
"Man is certainly stark mad. He can't make a flea, but makes gods by
the dozen."
~ Montaigne, 1588
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
~ Stephen Roberts
Bush has kiddie porn anal rape videos made at Abu Ghraib.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040717-082858-3675r.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
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| User: "nenslo" |
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| Title: Re: Wouldn't it be great? |
27 Jan 2005 01:29:11 AM |
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Roedy Green wrote:
"Man is certainly stark mad. He can't make a flea, but makes gods by
the dozen."
~ Montaigne, 1588
I made a flea once.
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| User: "Ray" |
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| Title: Re: Wouldn't it be great? |
27 Jan 2005 12:36:46 AM |
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Wouldn't it be interesting if the code which has "Mr G W Bush" = 666 also
has
"Santa Claus" = 666, it also has "US of America" = 666 and "Nth-America" =
666 as well as "MIddle-East" = 666.
Wouldn't it be so hilarious if it werent true?
Wouldn't it be a miracle if it was a coincidence?
Wouldnt it be amazing if there were other signs that in this code Jesus,
Gospel and Cross all had the same value of 444 in this code. Like wise did
English (this language of the code), Jewish, Messiah, Gematria, the study of
words with numerical values and number patterns in languages.
And to top it off, wouldnt it be really kool, if God showed even more a sign
that he designed the lanuage with "Holy Spirit" having the same value as
"Jesus Christ". And also "Jesus is Lord" and "Lord of Hosts", and even that
in ASCII code, these last 3 have the exact same value in a different
incremenation incompatible ratio.
see for youself...
http://calc666.webhop.info
mirror at..
http://www.id-chip.4t.com/data/
see the math and see how they are totally different numbers and still add up
to the same values.
Incidentally 888 is the value of JESUS in Greek. 906 is above 888 by the
equals sign value.
As is Christ above Messiah by the equals sign.
PEace
"dangdangdoodle" <noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:04469b0ba50bf02a0e1732bbc2186ac4
@grapevine.islandnet.com...
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
Wouldn't it be great if there really was a santa clause and all you
had to do was be good and go to bed on time, and everybody who didn't
believe in him got absolutely nothing on christmas? And the good kids
who were paranoid enough to believe that santa clause was always
watching, even when they were going to the bathroom, got all the great
presents?
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Wouldn't it be great? |
29 Jan 2005 06:43:34 PM |
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dangdangdoodle wrote:
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
The fact of the matter is, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob,
is the only God there is. Clearly, you don't yet know said fact.
You will someday though.
Let's hope it's before judgement.
Jesus said the stars would fall from the heavens... they did.
They brought the stars right down into your living room,
using high power telescopes, magnifying the stars millions
of times, and those stars show up right in front of you,
in full detail. Before recently, those stars were just dim
points of light in the sky, IF you could even see them.
Some stars are so far away and so dim, they can't even be
seen unless they use the high powered telescopes, over days
of exposure. And all the while, Satan has his big laugh over
it as the ones bringing the stars down, they claim NOTHING
was the source of God's creation... and people lose their
faith in God, in exchange for a god called NOTHING.
Jesus said the stars would fall from the heavens... they did.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Wouldn't it be great? |
30 Jan 2005 03:27:37 AM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
dangdangdoodle wrote:
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
The fact of the matter is, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob,
is the only God there is. Clearly, you don't yet know said fact.
Jesus said the stars would fall from the heavens... they did.
You lying sack of *****.
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God Disproven - Part 2
There are several concepts of god that are meant
when that word is used. One is the philosophers'
god derived from ancient Greek concepts, the god
that is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent.
But we also have the biblical god, the god of
the old testament, Yahweh, El, the god of Genesis
Exodus and the other books of the bible. This god
is a historical god, not a philosphical god.
His nature and existance are said to be found in
the Torah, the old testament.
At the turn of the 19th century archeology saw
the establishment of so called biblical archaeology,
archaeology mostly of an American origin dedicated
optimistically to showing that the bible was true.
Instead, over a century, it showed the opposite.
Biblical archaeology never really existed as a
seperate 'discipline', it was an aspect of Near
Eastern Archaeology.
It is now established that much of the bible is in
no way history nor true. There was no Egyptian
captivity, no exodus, no 40 years wandering, no bloody
invasion of Canaan lead by Moses and Joshua. With
that faux history debunked, so goes the theological
concepts embedded in this this faux history.
God here is understood to have been an entity that
at certain specific times did certain specific things
at certain specific places involving certain specific
persons. But if these places and persons did not exist,
this god likewise does not exist, they are all just
characters in a novel masquerding as history.
Archaeology has found and excavated the cities
supposedly destroyed by Joshua and the Israelites
and found they were ruins long before any Israelite
could have been in the area.
Several excavations have looked for the 36 year
long encampments of the Israelites at Kadesh Barnea
and failed.
Egyptologists find names of numerous foreigners
and their gods attested to in Egyptian literture,
tombs and other sources, but no Israelite names,
no mention of Yahweh can be found. Odd for a people
that supposedly were in Egypt for 430 years starting
70 persons.
Despite that, Israel show little Egyptianisms,
not in language, architecture, pottery, writing systems,
literary traditions, clothing or other things you'd
expect from a people who starting with 70 people
spent 430 years in Egypt, growing to a massive presence
there from biblical accounts.
And these bible tall tales are replete with errors,
anachronisms and other signs it is not history.
Thus archaeology and historians and bible scholars
have concluded that from Genesis to Judges, the bible
is most certainly not history.
Rather in recent decades, archaeologists have discovered
the true facts about Israel. They were typical Canaanites
who peacefully spread throught the hill country as peaceful
farmers in unfortified hilltop farms. This population of
farmers later developed into Israel, Judah, Moab, Ammon,
Edom andother similar states in that area of the world.
There was no invasion as per Joshua. No Moses on the mount,
no god leading the Israelites as a pillar of smoke or fire,
no plagues of Egypt, no genocides ordered by god.
This god and all these happenings are fantasies. The god
attached to these tall tales did not and does not exist
anymore than did Winnie the Pooh in his Hundred Acre Woods.
Both are mere characters in novels, the only difference is
most people don't realize the bible is just a bad novel
pieced together from ancient myths long ago. They have
no idea archaeologists and historians have abandoned
all of this as being in any way history or being true.
But this god, that did certain things in certain places
at certain times with certain people is in fact, dead
and gone. Disproven, debunked and gone.
Because these places and times and people have been
disproven as having never existed and god disappears with
these now debunked tales.
A few quotes from the experts:
"The Rise of Ancient Israel"
A Symposium at the Smithsonian Institute
October 26, 1991
Biblical Archaeology Society 1992
Herschel Schanks
"Well archaeology is no longer a crutch in
this classic sense of a conquest model. We
simply can no longer posit a series of destructions
in Canann that can be rationally identified as the
result of the Israelite conquest. Recently our
archaeological methodology has improved, we can date
levels more securely, and more sites have been excavated.
As a result we can no longer say that archeology
supports what we call the conquest model of Israel's
emergence in Canaan."
William G. Dever
"The conquest model is not subsribed to by most
biblical scholars today - certainly no one in the
mainstream of scholarship - and that's been true
for some time. Moreover, there isn't a single
reputable professional archaeologist in the world
whoespouses the conquest model in Israel, Europe,
or America. We don't need to say anymore about
the conquest model. That's that. (Laughter)
Not to be dogmatic about it or anything, but..
(Laughter)"
"From Nomadism to Monarchy
- Archaeological and Historical Aspects
of Early Israel"
Edited by Israel Finkelstein and Nadav Na'aman.
Biblical Archaeology Society 1994
Israel Finkelstein and Nadav Na'aman
Introduction Page 13
"Combination of archeological and historical
research demonstrates that the biblical account
of the conquest and occupation of Canaan is
entirely divorced from historical reality.
Instead, it proves the correctness of the
literary-critical approach to the biblical text.
The biblical descriptions of the origin and early
history of the people of Israel are not disimilar
from narratives on the origins of other peoples,
which likewise do not withstand the test of
historical criticism."
Nadav Na'aman Page 249
"It is commonly accepted today that the majority
of conquest stories in the book of Joshua are devoid
of historical reality."
"What Did The Biblical Writers Know & When
Did They Know It?"
- William G. Dever
William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company
2001
Page 121
"Now let us turn to the biblical data. If we look
at the biblical texts describing the the origins
of Israel, we see at once that the traditional
account contained from Genesis to Joshua cannot be
reconciled with the picture derived from
archaeological investigation.The whole
"Exodus-Conquest" cycle of stories must now be set
aside as largely mythical, but in the proper sense
of the word myth: perhaps "historical fiction"
but tales told primarily to validate religous
beliefs."
Page 282
"Here we must confront squarely the essential
dilemma of the modern reader of the Hebrew Bible.
a dilemma that nearly all writers of today acknowledge.
Does critical study of the bible undermine religous
faith, perhaps more importantly diminish the value
of the Bible as a basis for cultural and moral
values? For the fundamentalists, or for many
conservative Christians, Jews an others, the answer
is: Yes. These folk must then reject modern literary
other critical methods, although I have assumed here
that such methods are to be taken for granted by any
well-informed reader in the modern world. There is
irony here. In North America and in places in Europe
archaeology is accepted, even enthusiastically embraced,
because it is mistakenly thought it will after all,
"prove the Bible is true".
**************************************************
--
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Roy Balding" |
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| Title: Re: Wouldn't it be great? |
30 Jan 2005 07:14:11 AM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote in message: news:<41FC6E80.771C@For-
God.net>
wcb wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
dangdangdoodle wrote:
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
The fact of the matter is, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob,
is the only God there is. Clearly, you don't yet know said fact.
Jesus said the stars would fall from the heavens... they did.
You lying sack of *****.
No, that's what Jesus said:
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the
sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the
heavens shall be shaken:
Notice:
* The sun and moon have not yeilded the understanding they've
been after to describe how our solar system showed up... it's
darkness to them... the understanding is MISSING... they admitted
it and are currently searching out HOW our solar system showed
up. They went to the moon, it didn't answer it. They thought
they knew from their understanding of the sun, but that didn't
answer it either.
* The stars DID fall from the heavens, they were brought right
down into your living room, you can view them up close in
full detail... of which, that's caused them some confusion
in that now they know: they don't know how it happened.
* That last one... the powers of heaven have been shaken. They
thought the planets showed up one way, but it's looking like
they didn't fully understand how it works, the powers behind
it all, aren't understood, it's all shaken up.
The stuff Jesus said to look for, those things have been coming true.
Notice, the eagles gathered to the carcase, the heavens separated
like a scroll, the two witnesses showed up as golden pipes on
either side of the ARM OF GOD, his name at his thigh, etc...
All the things you don't want to happen, they're happening.
**************************************************
God Disproven - Part 2
ha ha ha...
You wish.
(snip rubbish)
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
The Bible is the Truth. I own several slaves and have many wives as the Bible
condones my way of life. The preaching's of men who lived 20 centuries ago are
contemporary to the 21st century so we should obey the Bible as the rule of law
lest you go to hell to face eternal torture for disobedience. Those who do
not accept Jesus also face eternal torture. That includes all who lived before
the Son Of God. Since no one can disprove the existence of God, logic
concludes that they are wrong and that God exists and that he is God of
Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The Bible says to, so it is true!
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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29 Jan 2005 11:37:47 PM |
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wcb wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
dangdangdoodle wrote:
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
The fact of the matter is, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob,
is the only God there is. Clearly, you don't yet know said fact.
Jesus said the stars would fall from the heavens... they did.
You lying sack of *****.
No, that's what Jesus said:
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the
sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the
heavens shall be shaken:
Notice:
* The sun and moon have not yeilded the understanding they've
been after to describe how our solar system showed up... it's
darkness to them... the understanding is MISSING... they admitted
it and are currently searching out HOW our solar system showed
up. They went to the moon, it didn't answer it. They thought
they knew from their understanding of the sun, but that didn't
answer it either.
* The stars DID fall from the heavens, they were brought right
down into your living room, you can view them up close in
full detail... of which, that's caused them some confusion
in that now they know: they don't know how it happened.
* That last one... the powers of heaven have been shaken. They
thought the planets showed up one way, but it's looking like
they didn't fully understand how it works, the powers behind
it all, aren't understood, it's all shaken up.
The stuff Jesus said to look for, those things have been coming true.
Notice, the eagles gathered to the carcase, the heavens separated
like a scroll, the two witnesses showed up as golden pipes on
either side of the ARM OF GOD, his name at his thigh, etc...
All the things you don't want to happen, they're happening.
**************************************************
God Disproven - Part 2
You wish.
(snip rubbish)
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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30 Jan 2005 04:48:33 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:43:34 GMT, "John P. Boatwright"
<name@For-God.net> wrote:
dangdangdoodle wrote:
Would it be neat if there really was a god, and all the people who
learnt how to think for themselves were just wasting their time? And all
the people who groveled on their knees pleading for special favors,
actually got more of the good life and protection from so called evil?
The fact of the matter is, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob,
is the only God there is. Clearly, you don't yet know said fact.
You will someday though.
Let's hope it's before judgement.
Jesus said the stars would fall from the heavens... they did.
They brought the stars right down into your living room,
using high power telescopes, magnifying the stars millions
of times, and those stars show up right in front of you,
in full detail.
Sir, I would like to present to you a Jacob's Cream Cracker
on a string. Please wear it around you neck with pride.
You take the biscuit for inventeting the craziest logic I
have ever heard. I rolled with laughter when I read the
above it was so funny. Of course if it was a spoof on
Christian logic I would merely have smiled but when it is
actually said in all seriousness it just had to make me
laugh.
Well done sir, you have made my day :-)
Before recently, those stars were just dim
points of light in the sky, IF you could even see them.
Some stars are so far away and so dim, they can't even be
seen unless they use the high powered telescopes, over days
of exposure. And all the while, Satan has his big laugh over
it as the ones bringing the stars down, they claim NOTHING
was the source of God's creation... and people lose their
faith in God, in exchange for a god called NOTHING.
Oh such wonderful stuff, tears of mirth are rolling down
my face. Ho ho.. hee hee.. high, stars brought down oh
dear oh my :-)
I can see stars through my telescope
therefore god
That's a newly invented one for the famous list :-)
Oh, har harrr.. h..e he he... he he
Jesus said the stars would fall from the heavens... they did.
Har har.. ho ho...it's so funny....
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Oh this one has really... hee hee har...got... har (choke).., me
going :-))
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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