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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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10 Aug 2004 01:11:09 AM |
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www.runagainstbush.org |
www.runagainstbush.org
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -930 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "The Jester" |
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| Title: Re: www.runagainstbush.org |
10 Aug 2004 06:34:34 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<59pgh09i370rjml6r69o53bnjjese0idqn@4ax.com>...
www.runagainstbush.org
Heh...I'm a member of the DC chapter. It's a lot of fun. The
different reactions from people as we do a loop around the White House
are priceless. (FWIW, 75-80%% of the reactions are overwhelmingly
positive)
-The Jester, 774...Running for Change
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: www.runagainstbush.org |
10 Aug 2004 10:08:30 PM |
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On 10 Aug 2004 04:34:34 -0700, (The Jester)
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<59pgh09i370rjml6r69o53bnjjese0idqn@4ax.com>...
www.runagainstbush.org
Heh...I'm a member of the DC chapter. It's a lot of fun. The
different reactions from people as we do a loop around the White House
are priceless. (FWIW, 75-80%% of the reactions are overwhelmingly
positive)
-The Jester, 774...Running for Change
I'll probably check out the Seattle chapter...
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -930 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "torresB" |
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| Title: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
10 Aug 2004 06:02:35 AM |
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JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ABORTION
Voted to federally fund abortions.
Voted against parental consent for minors.
Voted against ban on Partial Birth Abortion (3 times)
Voted against ban on sending money to UN population fund if the money
was sent to pay for China
forced abortion and sterilization policy.
NARAL lifetime rating of 100%
National Right to Life Committee lifetime rating of 0%
DEATH PENALTY
Opposes federal death penalty.
Voted against death penalty for terrorists.
(recently flip-flopped in 2002)
Voted against death penalty for drug-related murders.
TAXES & BUDGET
Voted against Bush tax cut, wants to repeal portions of Bush tax cut.
Voted for 1993 Clinton tax hike. (largest in history)
Voted against major tax relief packages at least 10 times.
Voted at least 5 times against balance budget amendments.
Kerry voted at least five times to raid The Social Security Trust
Fund.
MILITARY & NATIONAL SECURITY
Voted for 7 major reductions in military funding
Voted against Gulf War I (1991).
Voted for Gulf War II (but then criticized and voted
against military appropriation for troops).
Voted against MX missile.
Voted against Trident Submarine.
Voted against SDI
(Strategic Defense Initiative Star Wars)
Voted against B-1 and B-2 Stealth Bomber and Fighter.
Favored UN control of US Troops
(in the 1970s).
Supported Slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While
serving as a Member of Senate Intel Committee.
Attended a seminar (the so-called "Winter Soldier Investigation)
bankrolled by Jane Fonda in Detroit in February 1971 during which 125
self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testified at a Howard Johnson's about
atrocities allegedly committed by our own forces.
Many of the so-called Veterans were frauds and virtually every alleged
atrocity was investigated and proven to be false.
FAITH & VALUES
Voted against ban on human cloning.
Voted Against Defense of Marriage
Act (to give states option to decide whether to recognize homosexual
marriages in other states).
Sent letter to Massachusetts Legislature opposing Constitutional
Amendment defining marriage as solely
between a man and a woman.
Favors civil unions for homosexuals.
Voted to extend hate crimes protections to homosexuals.
Voted against a constitutional amendment on flag desecration.
EDUCATION
Voted against voluntary school prayer.
Voted against voucher pilot program.
Voted against approving a school-choice pilot program
JUDGES, COURTS & LAW
Voted against confirmation of Clarence Thomas for Supreme Court
Justice.
Voted against confirmation of Robert Bork for Supreme Court Justice.
Voted against confirmation William Rehnquist as Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court.
Voted against confirmation John Ashcroft as US Attorney General.
Voted against punitive damages in products liability cases.As Michael
Dukakis Lt. Governor From 1983-1985,
Kerry Supported Granting Prison Furloughs to Hundreds Of Massachusetts
Inmates.
FOREIGN POLICY
Against linking Most Favored Nation status to China human rights
record.
Voted for Kyoto Protocol on Environment that exempted major Third Word
polluters.
Supported Iraq regime change as late as January, 2003.
Now has flipped-flopped For Unilateral nuclear Freeze.
Voted against deployment of INF missiles in Europe.
POLITICAL ASSOCIATIONS
Leading member of VVAW
(Vietnam Veterans Against the War)
Attended and conducted anti-war and anti-American protests in the
1970s. Organized the Protests.
Votes with Ted Kennedy an average of 94% of the time.
Received $300,000 contribution from Johnny Chung as directed by
Chinese intelligence officer.
Supported Communist Sandinistas and visited with leader Communist
Daniel Ortega days before Ortega flew to Moscow and received $200
million in Soviet aid.
Has lifetime rating of 26% from Citizens Against Government Waste.
Has a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association.
Lifetime liberal vote rating of 93% from Americans For Democratic
Action (5 points higher than Ted Kennedy).
Voted with the liberal activist group, The League Of Conservation
Voters, an average of 95% of the time.
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| User: "Abd-er-Rahman III" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD VS. TRICKY ***** CHENEY'S |
10 Aug 2004 12:23:19 PM |
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THE TRUTH ABOUT KERRY AND CHENEY RECORDS
Kerry is a Strong Supporter of America's Military; Has Supported More
Than $4.4 Trillion in Defense Spending & Voted for "Largest Increase
in Defense Spending Since the Early 1980's. He has support 16 of the
19 defense authorization bills since elected to the Senate. John Kerry
is a strong supporter of the U.S. Armed Services and has consistently
worked to ensure the military has the best equipment and training
possible. In 2002, John Kerry voted for a large increase in the
defense budget. This increase provided more than $355 billion for the
Defense Department for 2003, an increase of $21 billion over 2002.
This measure includes $71.5 billion for procurement programs such as
$4 billion for the Air Force's F-22 fighter jets, $3.5 billion for the
Joint Strike Fighter and $279.3 million for an E-8C Joint Stars
(JSTARS) aircraft. Kerry's vote also funded a 4.1% pay increase for
military personnel, $160 million for the B-1 Bomber Defense System
Upgrade, $1.5 billion for a new attack submarine, more than $630
million for Army and Navy variants of the Blackhawk helicopter, $3.2
billion for additional C-17 transports, $900 million for R&D of the
Comanche helicopter and more than $800 million for Trident Submarine
conversion. The current chairman of the Senate Armed Services
Committee, John Warner (R-VA) stated: "The defense spending increase
for FY03 is the largest increase in defense spending since the early
1980's-reflecting the importance of defending the homeland and winning
the global war against terrorism" [2002, Senate Roll Call Vote # 239;
Websites of U.S. Senators Warner, Daschle, Dodd accessed 7/25/03]
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS JOHN KERRY IS BEING ATTACKED ON
APACHE HELICOPTER: The Kerry Record
Kerry has supported $13 billion in defense authorizations for the
Apache
THE CHENEY RECORD: Terminate The Apache; According to the RNC, AH-64
Apache Helicopters Were Crucial to Operation Iraqi Freedom.In
testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense
Subcommittee, Cheney said, "This is just a list of some of the
programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the
F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile,
F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera." In testimony
before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "The Army, as
I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a
robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64…I forced the
Army to make choices…So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program
two years out." [Cheney testimony, Senate Appropriations Committee,
Defense Subcommittee, 6/12/90; Cheney Testimony, House Armed Services
Committee, 7/13/89; Kerry's Military: As He Would Like It," 7/18/03]
AEGIS SHIPS: The Kerry Record
Kerry has supported at least $53 billion defense authorizations for
the Aegis program
THE CHENEY RECORD: Cheney Cut Program, Costing Jobs. Cheney plan cut 9
of original 25 ships planned, putting shipyard in jeopardy [States
News Service, 8/14/90; Aviation Week and Space Technology, 9/24/90]
BRADLEY FIGHTING VEHICLES: The Kerry Record
Kerry has supported at least $8.5 billion in defense authorizations
for the Bradley program
THE CHENEY RECORD: Bush-Cheney Budget Terminated The Bradley. "Major
weapons killed include the Army's M-2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the
Navy's Trident submarine and F-14 aircraft, and the Air Force's F-16
airplane. Cheney decided the military already has enough of these
weapons." [Boston Globe, 2/5/91]
BLACKHAWK HELICOPTERS: The Kerry Record
Kerry has supported at least $13 billion in defense authorizations on
versions of the Blackhawk.
THE CHENEY RECORD: Terminate The Black Hawk. The Pentagon's internal
budget deliberations recommended termination of the Black Hawk program
under Secretary Cheney." [Aerospace Daily, 5/15/90]
B-2 BOMBER: The Kerry Record
Kerry has supported over $16.7 billion in defense authorizations for
the B-2 program
THE CHENEY RECORD: Cheney Proposed Cuts to B-2 Program, According to
the RNC, B-2s Were Crucial to Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to
the Boston Globe, in 1990, "Defense Secretary Richard Cheney announced
a cutback… of nearly 45 percent in the administration's B-2 Stealth
bomber program, from 132 airplanes to 75…" [Boston Globe, 4/27/90;
From RNC Research Memo, "Kerry's Military: As He Would Like It,"
7/18/03:
C-17 CARGO JETS: The Kerry Record
Kerry supported at least $34.5 billion in defense authorizations for
the C-17
THE CHENEY RECORD: Cutting C-17 Program. In 1990, Cheney proposed
cutting 90 C-17 Air Force cargo transport planes [Newsday, 2/5/91; NY
Times, 1/8/91; Boston Globe, 4/27/90; Boston Globe, 1/30/90]
F/A-18 FIGHTER JETS : The Kerry Record
Kerry supported at least $60 billion in defense authorizations for the
F/A-18 and F-18
THE CHENEY RECORD: Cutbacks Hit Industry Hard: Workers and the
industry were hit hard by Cheney's decision for "major cuts" in the
F/A-18 program and upgrades to the F-18 in the late 1980s [Flight
International, 6/27/90; Los Angeles Times, 12/17/89; Aerospace Daily,
5/26/89; Aviation Week and Space Technology, 5/1/89]
F-16 FIGHTER JETS: The Kerry Record
Kerry supported at least $25 billion in defense authorizations for the
F-16.
THE CHENEY RECORD: Cheney Proposed Cutting F-16 Aircraft, According to
the RNC, F-16s Were Crucial to Operation Iraqi Freedom. In testimony
before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "If you're
going to have a smaller air force, you don't need as many F-16s…The
F-16D we basically continue to buy and close it out because we're not
going to have as big a force structure and we won't need as many
F-16s." According to the Boston Globe, Bush's 1991 defense budget
"kill[ed] 81 programs for potential savings of $ 11.9 billion…Major
weapons killed include[d]….the Air Force's F-16 airplane." [Cheney
testimony, House Armed Services Committee, 2/7/91; Boston Globe,
2/5/91; From RNC Research Memo, "Kerry's Military: As He Would Like
It," 7/18/03.]
TOMAHAWK MISSILES: The Kerry Record
Kerry supported at least $6 billion in defense authorizations for the
Tomahawk missile program.
THE CHENEY RECORD: No New Missiles Requested Even As Stocks Depleted
Before Gulf War, Cutbacks Lead To Layoffs: Cheney's defense budget was
so pared-down that it didn't include any funds for more Tomahawk
missiles in 1991, despite stocks rapidly diminished by the military
action in the Persian Gulf. Cuts in 1990 led to layoffs throughout the
nation. [Washington Post, 2/5/91; Aerospace Daily, 1/23/91; AP,
6/20/90]
C-130 CARGO JETS: The Kerry Record
Kerry supported at least $12 billion in defense authorizations for the
C-130
THE CHENEY RECORD: Move Hurricane Plane Out of Dept. of Defense, Move
Considered Dangerous. In 1990, Cheney pushed a potentially dangerous
move by trying to shift the WC-130 Hurricane Hunter planes from the
Department of Defense and into the Department of Commerce. The WC-130
is used to track Hurricanes and warn coastal residents in time to
evacuate the area. In July 1990, Cheney ordered that the Air Force
halt all WC-130 flights by October 1, 1990 and turn the mission to the
Commerce Department. Reed Boatright, a spokesman for the Commerce
Department said, "we are not in a position to accept planes either
financially or infrastructure wise." According to Jerry Jarrell,
deputy director of the National Hurricane Center, "It would be
devastating" if the Commerce Department was unable to pick up the
WC-130 after Cheney released it from Defense. Today, the WC-130
remains at Defense. [UPI, 7/11/00]
PATRIOT MISSILE SYSTEM: The Kerry Record
Kerry supported at least $10 billion in defense authorizations for the
Patriot program.
SOURCES ON KERRY SPENDING: Congressional Quarterly Almanacs,
1986-2002; House Armed Service Committee Authorization Conference
Report Summaries; Conference Reports for Defense Authorizations,
FY1986 – present
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
10 Aug 2004 12:10:55 PM |
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torresB <torresB@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote in message news:<cpahh09go2ifmucrpakllkbtjfjujbn1ph@4ax.com>...
JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks Torres, Kerry is a great candidate and
his stellar voting record is proof. He gets my
vote.
While Kerry was working hard in the Senate,
AWOL shrub Jr. was busy getting rich by nepotism,
getting exclusive oil drilling rights in Bhrain
for what used to be his money losing oil company
until his daddy became vice president.
From http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm
-- His top aides exposed an undercover CIA agent to
silence critics
-- Lies, deception and coverups to push the war in
Iraq
-- Convicted of drunk driving. Lied repeatedly to
cover up his arrest.
-- Lying under oath. Bush & staff stop investigation
of contributor's huge funeral home company. (1)
-- Avoided Vietnam and Skipped Out on his National
Guard Service (2)
-- Texas government corruption: State $$ for campaign
funders & business cronies (3)
-- Cocaine: felony drug use, vile hypocrisy, and a
hushed up arrest? (4)
-- His "young and irresponsible" behavior: sex, drugs
and (gasp!) rock and roll? (5)
-- Thin skinned: censors his critics with police,
lawyers, $$$ (6)
-- Character: Spoiled rich kid living off his
family's name and reputation (7)
-- Made millions on insider business deals, for
little work (8)
-- -- Deal #1. Personal Profits from Failing Oil Companies (9)
-- -- -- -- Easy Money From Odd Sources(10)
-- -- -- -- A Surprise Deal From Bahrain(11)
-- -- -- -- Access to the President and National Security Adviser
for his foreign business partner(12)
-- -- Deal #2. Selling Oil Stocks Just Before Iraq Invaded: lucky
guess or illegal insider trading? (13)
-- -- Deal #3. A Big Slice of a Baseball Team (14)
-- Hypocrisy: using government coercion to make his
private fortune (15)
1. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#funeral
2. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#Vietnam
3. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#corrupt
4. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#cocaine
5. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#partied
6. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#thinskin
7. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#character
8. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#insider
9. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#harken
10. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#financing
11. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#Bahrain
12. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#meetings
13. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#insidertrading
14. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#rangers
15. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#hypocrisy
Larry
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| User: "c" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
10 Aug 2004 03:29:53 PM |
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Thanks Torres, Kerry is a great candidate and
his stellar voting record is proof. He gets my
vote.
It's amazing isn't it? John F. Kerry's voting record on expansion of the
military places him solidly in the Ronald Reagan camp of the Republican
Party. How he managed to get elected in Massachusetts time after time while
really being such a Reagan conservative is mind boggling ;-)
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| User: "JTEM" |
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10 Aug 2004 08:21:18 PM |
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"c" <me@my.net> wrote
It's amazing isn't it? John F. Kerry's voting record on
expansion of the military places him solidly in the
Ronald Reagan camp of the Republican Party.
Only if you subscribe to the fantasy that the Republicans
somehow own the military.
But how do you explain Bush?
Back in 2000, both Bush & Gore released their budgets
for FY 2001. Gore called for fully twice the increase in
military spending that Bush asked for.
It seems like there isn't a "Ronald Reagan camp," but a
"Everyone but Bush" camp.
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| User: "c" |
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10 Aug 2004 10:09:05 PM |
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It's amazing isn't it? John F. Kerry's voting record on
expansion of the military places him solidly in the
Ronald Reagan camp of the Republican Party.
Only if you subscribe to the fantasy that the Republicans
somehow own the military.
Right.
I guess you are too young to remember Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and Tip
O'Neill doing battle. Back then, the Democrats were not too fond of Reagan,
"the right wing warmonger," and his idea to, as O'Neill put it, "push
through the greatest increase in defense spending in American history."
Democrats blamed this military spending as the cause of pretty much
everything wrong with anything for years afterward. You can still find
echoes of these sentiments if you look far enough away from the current
campaign.
FWIW, it's ironic to me that we are now seeing lists of the very same
programs in a Democratic campaign.
[ ... ]
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| User: "JTEM" |
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11 Aug 2004 01:06:20 AM |
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"c" <me@my.net> wrote
Democrats blamed this military spending as the
cause of pretty much everything wrong with
anything for years afterward.
Here in reality, it wasn't that it was "Defense spending,"
it was that there were huge increases in spending, even
as there were huge decreases in revenue.
Maybe you didn't know, but this nation has yet to pay
off a single dimes worth of Reagan's $5 trillion debt.
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| User: "c" |
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11 Aug 2004 03:45:30 PM |
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Democrats blamed this military spending as the
cause of pretty much everything wrong with
anything for years afterward.
Here in reality, it wasn't that it was "Defense spending,"
it was that there were huge increases in spending, even
as there were huge decreases in revenue.
Cool! You cut out the parts where I reminded you that Jimmy Carter et al
were positioning Reagan as a "right wing warmonger" and you cut out the
quote of Tip O'Neill saying Reagan wanted to "push through the greatest
increase in defense spending in American history." You then assert that
the issue wasn't really defense spending even though that was *exactly* what
Tip O'Neill and Jimmy Carter were talking about, and what a good portion of
the famous O'Neill / Reagan battles were all about. You seem to think that
by cutting the quote out of my post, you can change history. Sorry, it
doesn't work that way.
But I know what the issue really is, here: It simply *cannot be* that the
Democrats have changed their position over the past twenty-five years ;-)
Maybe you didn't know, but this nation has yet to pay
off a single dimes worth of Reagan's $5 trillion debt.
Which has nothing to do with anything I said.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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11 Aug 2004 05:11:11 PM |
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"c" <me@my.net> wrote
Here in reality, it wasn't that it was "Defense spending,"
it was that there were huge increases in spending, even
as there were huge decreases in revenue.
Cool!
Yeah, it's just so "Cool" that Republicans pretend that they're
all so pro-defense, yet only support the defense department so
long as they don't actually have to pay for it.
You cut out the parts where I reminded you that Jimmy Carter
et al were positioning [...]
Show us your cites. Go on. You're making claims and attributing
them to a specific individual. Let's see your cites.
And, no, why should I address unsupported claims?
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| User: "c" |
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12 Aug 2004 02:20:04 AM |
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[ ... ]
You cut out the parts where I reminded you that Jimmy Carter
et al were positioning [...]
Show us your cites. Go on. You're making claims and attributing
them to a specific individual. Let's see your cites.
"Instead, he used the debate to deflate Carter's portrayal of him as a
warmonger and spent his time thereafter carrying the attack on the economy
(Newsweek cover story on the election from 1980.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5158120/site/newsweek/)."
"Carter tried to respond by painting Reagan as an unstable warmonger, but
nothing seemed to stick to the former movie actor.
http://www.historywise.com/KoTrain/Courses/JC/JC_Campaigns_and_Elections.htm
)."
"I think there was some pent-up anger in me over Carter's claims that I was
a racist and warmonger (Ronald Reagan qtd in
http://www.ronaldreagan.com/inaugural.html)"
"Foreign policy under an unsophisticated President Reagan, they assured, was
a terrifying prospect. President Carter and his team dubbed Mr. Reagan a
warmonger. Though Mr. Reagan insisted he wanted a military build up simply
to prod the Soviets to the negotiating table, critics recklessly argued he
was seeking a vast arsenal for the purpose of being able to actually fight
and win a nuclear war
(http://www.gcc.edu/news/faculty/stories/Reagan's%20saber%20rattled%20Iran.h
tm)."
"Tip O'Neill said he had taken on a moral commitment to block further
development of the MX missile (http://www.ronaldreagan.com/ussr.html)"
"O'Neill became a leading opponent of the Reagan administration's domestic
and defense policies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_O%27Neill)"
"History has forced the critics to adjust their initial image of Reagan as
an economy-wrecking, war-mongering monster. ("The evil is in the White House
at the present time," said House Speaker Tip O'Neill in 1984.)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_n9_v29/ai_20417679
"As then House Speaker Tip O'Neill put it, "He pushed through the greatest
increase in defense spending in American history,
(http://www.ips-dc.org/disrespect/pd_reagan.htm)."
And, no, why should I address unsupported claims?
Nobody asked you to address anything.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
12 Aug 2004 05:45:05 AM |
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"c" <me@my.net> wrote
Show us your cites. Go on. You're making claims and attributing
them to a specific individual. Let's see your cites.
"Instead, he used the debate to deflate Carter's portrayal of him
as a warmonger and spent his time thereafter carrying the attack
on the economy
(Newsweek cover story on the election from 1980.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5158120/site/newsweek/)."
[--other non-cites deleted---]
No, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that you're a moron and that I
must explain these things to you.
A "cite" would be a quote from Carter, or the Carter campaign,
calling Reagan a warmonger, and not merely a repeat of the
exact same claim from somebody else.
[---various "Tip O'Neill" stories deleted---]
Are you brain damaged? Tip O'Neill? What relevance are you
imagining?
Jeeze!
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| User: "c" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
12 Aug 2004 01:04:31 PM |
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Show us your cites. Go on. You're making claims and attributing
them to a specific individual. Let's see your cites.
"Instead, he used the debate to deflate Carter's portrayal of him
as a warmonger and spent his time thereafter carrying the attack
on the economy
(Newsweek cover story on the election from 1980.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5158120/site/newsweek/)."
[--other non-cites deleted---]
No, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that you're a moron and that I
must explain these things to you.
A "cite" would be a quote from Carter, or the Carter campaign,
calling Reagan a warmonger, and not merely a repeat of the
exact same claim from somebody else.
According to the MLA, you are incorrect. A citation is "clearly documented
[ ... ] quotations, summaries, paraphrases and any facts or ideas that are
not common knowledge." But then, only a moron would know what a citation
actually is.
But now, back to your "point." You seem to be seriously claiming that
Ronald Reagan was not attacked by Carter as a warmonger in the presence of
statements to the contrary from autorities as diverse as PBS
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/40_reagan/printable.html), MSNBC
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5158120/site/newsweek/) Time
Magazine(http://www.time.com/time/election2004/columnist/frank/article/0,184
71,650116,00.html) and his son, Ron (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5537960/),
plus the additional citations I provided listing academic sources and
historical writing, and the four or five thousand more which you can easily
find yourself.
You are claiming that Ronald Reagan was not really painted as a war monger
by Carter despite the presence of stacks of supporting evidence; because
those stacks of evidence, from diverse authoritative sources such as PBS,
Time, MSNBC, and academe simply state over and over again that Ronald Reagan
was painted as a war monger by Carter and the Democratic opposition?
And you are calling me a moron?
[---various "Tip O'Neill" stories deleted---]
Are you brain damaged? Tip O'Neill? What relevance are you
imagining?
Jeeze!
The relevence "I am imagining" is that the various "Tip O'Neill stories," as
you call them, address a comment, which *you* made: "Here in reality, it
wasn't that it was 'Defense spending,' it was that there were huge increases
in spending, even as there were huge decreases in revenue." I provided you
evidence that the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Thomas P. 'Tip'
O'Neill was, in fact, opposed to Reagan's huge increases in defense
spending, and not just increases in spending, much of which he relished.
As I reread your last post, however, you seem to have changed your focus to
Jimmy Carter and really did not ask for supporting documentation on O'Neill
even though I was speaking of both O'Neill and Carter. My humblest and most
profuse apologies for providing you information on both people instead of
just doing precisely what *you* wanted. ;-)
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| Title: Re: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
15 Aug 2004 02:37:19 AM |
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"c" <me@my.net> wrote
No, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that you're a moron and that I
must explain these things to you.
A "cite" would be a quote from Carter, or the Carter campaign,
calling Reagan a warmonger, and not merely a repeat of the
exact same claim from somebody else.
According to the MLA, you are incorrect.
So what? You made a specific claim. You claimed that Carter called
Reagan a "warmonger."
Show us something from Carter or the Carter campaign making any
such charge, instead of imaginary "sites" that merely repeat the
claim.
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| User: "Michael Marxist Moore" |
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| Title: 911 KIN RUSH TO BUSH'S DEFENSE!!! LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
15 Aug 2004 10:44:03 AM |
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911 KIN RUSH TO BUSH'S DEFENSE!!! LIBERALS HATE
AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By HEIDI SINGER
- AP
March 7, 2004 -- President Bush yesterday defended his use of Sept. 11
footage to get himself re-elected, and more than a dozen victims'
families threw their support behind him.
The president caused a firestorm of protest from victims' families on
Thursday when his campaign began running commercials using images of
the destroyed World Trade Center.
"I will continue to speak about the effects of 9/11 on our country and
my presidency," Bush said from his Crawford, Texas, ranch. "I have an
obligation to those who died. I have an obligation to those who were
heroic in their attempts to rescue [the victims]. And I won't forget
that obligation."
Meanwhile, the group of supporters, mostly firefighter families,
released an "Open Letter to America" approving the ads.
"There is no better testament to the leadership of President Bush than
Sept. 11," the letter states. "In choosing our next leader, we must
not forget that day if we are to have a meaningful conversation.
"The images in President Bush's campaign television ads are respectful
of the memories of Sept. 11."
Jimmy Boyle, former president of the Uniformed Firefighters
Association, spearheaded the letter, signed by 22 people who lost
loved ones in the trade center attacks.
Boyle, who said he will be voting for a Republican president for the
first time in November, said he decided to ask other families to sign
the letter after hearing that the president was being criticized for
using Sept. 11 images in campaign ads.
"I don't think he's taking advantage of Sept. 11, and I feel that he's
given us the leadership that we need," Boyle said.
The images include the U.S. flag flying in front of the ruins. Another
shows firefighters removing the flag-draped remains of a victim.
"Families are enraged," said Bill Doyle, 57, whose son, Joseph, died
in the attacks. "What I think is distasteful is that the president is
trying to use 9/11 as a springboard for his re-election. It's entirely
wrong. He's had 3,500 deaths on his watch, including Iraq."
Several family members said their annoyance stemmed in part from
Bush's refusal to testify publicly before the federal commission
investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.
"The Bush administration will not cooperate fully with the 9/11
commission, and at the same time, they are trying to invoke and own
9/11 and use it for his re-election," said Stephen Push, whose wife
died on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
Also yesterday, Bush continued talks with Mexican President Vicente
Fox, who was at the ranch to discuss immigration and other issues.
With Post Wire Services
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| User: "c" |
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16 Aug 2004 06:51:59 PM |
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No, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that you're a moron and that I
must explain these things to you.
A "cite" would be a quote from Carter, or the Carter campaign,
calling Reagan a warmonger, and not merely a repeat of the
exact same claim from somebody else.
According to the MLA, you are incorrect.
So what?
So what? Your assertion that a cite can only be something from Carter or
the Carter campaign is patently false, yet you continue to operate as if
it's true.
You made a specific claim. You claimed that Carter called
Reagan a "warmonger."
You're hallucinating.
Here's what I wrote, since you have obviously forgotten it, ignored it or
have just made something up to replace it: "I guess you are too young to
remember Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and Tip O'Neill doing battle. Back
then, the Democrats were not too fond of Reagan, "the right wing warmonger"
And in another post I wrote: "I reminded you that Jimmy Carter et al were
positioning Reagan as a "right wing warmonger"
Show us something from Carter or the Carter campaign making any
such charge, instead of imaginary "sites" that merely repeat the
claim.
I provided citations from a variety of authoritative sources to back my
statements up. I'm sorry you can't or won't accept that Jimmy Carter did
what he did. That's a common problem, though.
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| User: "Pete Lewis" |
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| Title: BOYCOTT all things MIRAMAX and LION'S GATE, because LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! |
15 Aug 2004 12:28:04 PM |
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BOYCOTT all things MIRAMAX and LION'S GATE, because LIBERALS HATE
AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boycott is a great weapon of democracy. Miramax, run by that fiendish
anti-american jew Sweinstein, and lion's gate have made and
distributed the hate movie, Fahrehenheit 911. BOYCOTT EVERYTHING
ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED, OR LINKED WITH THESE COMPANIES.
AND SPREAD THE WORD, THRU EMAIL OR WORD OF MOUTH.
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| User: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" |
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| Title: Re: BOYCOTT all things MIRAMAX and LION'S GATE, because LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! |
15 Aug 2004 03:51:46 PM |
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You should print this up and hand out fliers and leaflets and
pamphlets and make up some badges, buttons, and
bumper stickers to get this message of yours out to
everyone on the planet as soon as possible,
starting yesterday if you can figure out how to do that.
Be sure to hire Rumsfeld to write a nice
Bible-Pounding song for your
We're Too Stupid To Address Reality Crew
also.
"Pete Lewis" <pdlewis375@N0THING.N0SPAM.0RG> wrote in message
news:h77vh0h07urimu5k95cjdo77br3t9ea20i@4ax.com...
BOYCOTT all things MIRAMAX and LION'S GATE, because LIBERALS HATE
AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boycott is a great weapon of democracy. Miramax, run by that fiendish
anti-american jew Sweinstein, and lion's gate have made and
distributed the hate movie, Fahrehenheit 911. BOYCOTT EVERYTHING
ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED, OR LINKED WITH THESE COMPANIES.
AND SPREAD THE WORD, THRU EMAIL OR WORD OF MOUTH.
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
12 Aug 2004 11:02:20 PM |
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torresB wrote:
JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ABORTION
Voted to federally fund abortions.
Voted against parental consent for minors.
Voted against ban on Partial Birth Abortion (3 times)
Voted against ban on sending money to UN population fund if the money
was sent to pay for China
forced abortion and sterilization policy.
NARAL lifetime rating of 100%
National Right to Life Committee lifetime rating of 0%
DEATH PENALTY
Opposes federal death penalty.
Voted against death penalty for terrorists.
(recently flip-flopped in 2002)
Voted against death penalty for drug-related murders.
TAXES & BUDGET
Voted against Bush tax cut, wants to repeal portions of Bush tax cut.
Voted for 1993 Clinton tax hike. (largest in history)
Voted against major tax relief packages at least 10 times.
Voted at least 5 times against balance budget amendments.
Kerry voted at least five times to raid The Social Security Trust
Fund.
MILITARY & NATIONAL SECURITY
Voted for 7 major reductions in military funding
Voted against Gulf War I (1991).
Voted for Gulf War II (but then criticized and voted
against military appropriation for troops).
Voted against MX missile.
Voted against Trident Submarine.
Voted against SDI
(Strategic Defense Initiative Star Wars)
Voted against B-1 and B-2 Stealth Bomber and Fighter.
Favored UN control of US Troops
(in the 1970s).
Supported Slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While
serving as a Member of Senate Intel Committee.
Attended a seminar (the so-called "Winter Soldier Investigation)
bankrolled by Jane Fonda in Detroit in February 1971 during which 125
self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testified at a Howard Johnson's about
atrocities allegedly committed by our own forces.
Many of the so-called Veterans were frauds and virtually every alleged
atrocity was investigated and proven to be false.
FAITH & VALUES
Voted against ban on human cloning.
Voted Against Defense of Marriage
Act (to give states option to decide whether to recognize homosexual
marriages in other states).
Sent letter to Massachusetts Legislature opposing Constitutional
Amendment defining marriage as solely
between a man and a woman.
Favors civil unions for homosexuals.
Voted to extend hate crimes protections to homosexuals.
Voted against a constitutional amendment on flag desecration.
EDUCATION
Voted against voluntary school prayer.
Voted against voucher pilot program.
Voted against approving a school-choice pilot program
JUDGES, COURTS & LAW
Voted against confirmation of Clarence Thomas for Supreme Court
Justice.
Voted against confirmation of Robert Bork for Supreme Court Justice.
Voted against confirmation William Rehnquist as Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court.
Voted against confirmation John Ashcroft as US Attorney General.
Voted against punitive damages in products liability cases.As Michael
Dukakis Lt. Governor From 1983-1985,
Kerry Supported Granting Prison Furloughs to Hundreds Of Massachusetts
Inmates.
FOREIGN POLICY
Against linking Most Favored Nation status to China human rights
record.
Voted for Kyoto Protocol on Environment that exempted major Third Word
polluters.
Supported Iraq regime change as late as January, 2003.
Now has flipped-flopped For Unilateral nuclear Freeze.
Voted against deployment of INF missiles in Europe.
POLITICAL ASSOCIATIONS
Leading member of VVAW
(Vietnam Veterans Against the War)
Attended and conducted anti-war and anti-American protests in the
1970s. Organized the Protests.
Votes with Ted Kennedy an average of 94% of the time.
Received $300,000 contribution from Johnny Chung as directed by
Chinese intelligence officer.
Supported Communist Sandinistas and visited with leader Communist
Daniel Ortega days before Ortega flew to Moscow and received $200
million in Soviet aid.
Has lifetime rating of 26% from Citizens Against Government Waste.
Has a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association.
Lifetime liberal vote rating of 93% from Americans For Democratic
Action (5 points higher than Ted Kennedy).
Voted with the liberal activist group, The League Of Conservation
Voters, an average of 95% of the time.
You forgot to add that KERRY VOTED FOR 16 OF THE LAST 19 DEFENSE BUDGETS you ignorant fool.
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| User: "N0TSPAM" |
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| Title: Liberals ASHAMED to be Liberals!!!! |
10 Aug 2004 06:57:25 AM |
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Liberals ASHAMED to be Liberals!!!!
.... or they're scared to admit it.
Yesterday we found out that the Democrats were going to call their
liberal talk radio network "Central Air." It's amazing ... they have
to begin the dishonesty in the very name they give to their talk radio
network! They don't even have the courage to give it the "liberal"
title that they are all so very proud of.
Here's a better name, just call it "Ignorance in Broadcasting."
Conservative talk show hosts such as Limbaugh, Hannity and Boortz
don't have to go out there and actually buy radio stations, as the
left has done, in order to get our shows aired. The difference
between our stations and the stations that will be owned by these
Democrat Party activists is that our stations air our programs because
their listeners want to listen to us. The Democrat's stations will
air the liberal talk shows because the have to.
Liberals can't compete because nobody wants tune in and hear how much
their country sucks for three hours.
--
Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
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| User: "james dorfu" |
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10 Aug 2004 08:59:14 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:57:25 -0400, N0TSPAM wrote:
Liberals ASHAMED to be Liberals!!!!
... or they're scared to admit it.
Yup. One sees that all the time on s.p.
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| User: "runners4bush" |
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07 Sep 2004 09:08:15 AM |
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Of course there is the positive side, two web sites for runners who
support the President!
We're running because he has integrity.
We're running because he has character.
We're running because he is a leader.
And because of these things and many more,
We're RUNNING FOR BUSH "From Start...To Finish"!
http://www.RunForBush.com
http://runners4bush2004.rantweb.com
Is anyone really FOR Senator Kerry not just against President Bush?
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| User: "Kate " |
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07 Sep 2004 09:08:52 PM |
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On 7 Sep 2004 07:08:15 -0700,
(runners4bush) wrote:
Of course there is the positive side, two web sites for runners who
support the President!
We're running because he has integrity.
What integrity? Are you running to find it?
We're running because he has character.
Well he is a character - a rather nasty one.
We're running because he is a leader.
You must have missed it when he ignored the attack on his own country.
Just sat there and ignored it. It was more important to sit around
endangering kids.
You sure have a bizarre idea of leadership.
Maybe you are running to Canada. That at least makes sense.
And because of these things and many more,
We're RUNNING FOR BUSH "From Start...To Finish"!
2 MORE MONTHS
2 MORE MONTHS
and he's finished!!!!!
YaY YAY YAY YAY !
http://www.RunForBush.com
http://runners4bush2004.rantweb.com
Is anyone really FOR Senator Kerry not just against President Bush?
Why on earth would anyone want a proven treasonous horrible president
back again?
Kerry is just fine - as were almost all the democratic candidates -
all fine upstanding intellegent leaders with great resumes and real
ethics.
Now Dubya - W is Wrong about everything and sending this country the
WRong Way!
Sorry you seem to have some problems with reality. It will clear up
once we get a real leader installed. Someone who will really support
our troops instead of dressing up and pretending to.
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