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"Fred Stone" |
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03 Sep 2007 10:33:55 PM |
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Yangie-poos welcome the health nazis |
http://oldcontroller.blogspot.com/2007/09/these-two-things-are-
connected.html
These Two Things Are Connected
If this doesn't scare you, you haven't been paying attention.
First, John Edwards wants to make checkups, including mental checkups,
mandatory.
[Found by way of Instapundit, more at Ann Althouse's blog.
AP article by Amy Lorentzen.
TIPTON, Iowa - Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards said on
Sunday that his universal health care proposal would require that
Americans go to the doctor for preventive care.
"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody
get preventive care," he told a crowd sitting in lawn chairs in front of
the Cedar County Courthouse. "If you are going to be in the system, you
can't choose not to go to the doctor for 20 years. You have to go in and
be checked and make sure that you are OK."
He noted, for example, that women would be required to have regular
mammograms in an effort to find and treat "the first trace of problem."
Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, announced earlier this year that her
breast cancer had returned and spread.
Edwards said his mandatory health care plan would cover preventive,
chronic and long-term health care. The plan would include mental health
care as well as dental and vision coverage for all Americans.
"The whole idea is a continuum of care, basically from birth to
death," he said.
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize you.
By, let's imagine, cancelling your life insurance, or automobile
insurance, or rescinding your driver's license, or any number of ways to
make it uncomfortable for you to exercise your right to not see a damn
doctor if you don't want to. You think they can't? If the government can
require you to go to the doctor, they can penalize you. Count on it.
And then there's this, also found by way of Instapundit.
Telegraph.co.uk article by David Harrison:
A pregnant woman has been told that her baby will be taken from her
at birth because she is deemed capable of "emotional abuse", even though
psychiatrists treating her say there is no evidence to suggest that she
will harm her child in any way.
Social services' recommendation that the baby should be taken from
Fran Lyon, a 22-year-old charity worker who has five A-levels and a
degree in neuroscience, was based in part on a letter from a
paediatrician she has never met.
Hexham children's services, part of Northumberland County Council,
said the decision had been made because Miss Lyon was likely to suffer
from Munchausen's Syndrome by proxy, a condition unproven by science in
which a mother will make up an illness in her child, or harm it, to draw
attention to herself.
Under the plan, a doctor will hand the newborn to a social worker,
provided there are no medical complications. Social services' request
for an emergency protection order - these are usually granted - will be
heard in secret in the family court at Hexham magistrates on the same
day.
From then on, anyone discussing the case, including Miss Lyon, will
be deemed to be in contempt of the court.
Miss Lyon, from Hexham, who is five months pregnant, is seeking a
judicial review of the decision about Molly, as she calls her baby. She
described it as "barbaric and draconian", and said it was "scandalous"
that social services had not accepted submissions supporting her case.
"The paediatrician has never met me," she said. "He is not a
psychiatrist and cannot possibly make assertions about my current or
future mental health. Yet his letter was the only one considered in the
case conference on August 16 which lasted just 10 minutes."
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos welcome the health nazis |
04 Sep 2007 10:50:34 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99A0EFDFC9C4Dfreddybear@216.151.153.14...
http://oldcontroller.blogspot.com/2007/09/these-two-things-are-
connected.html
These Two Things Are Connected
If this doesn't scare you, you haven't been paying attention.
First, John Edwards wants to make checkups, including mental checkups,
mandatory.
[Found by way of Instapundit, more at Ann Althouse's blog.
AP article by Amy Lorentzen.
TIPTON, Iowa - Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards said on
Sunday that his universal health care proposal would require that
Americans go to the doctor for preventive care.
"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody
get preventive care," he told a crowd sitting in lawn chairs in front of
the Cedar County Courthouse. "If you are going to be in the system, you
can't choose not to go to the doctor for 20 years. You have to go in and
be checked and make sure that you are OK."
If he really said that, he is an idiot.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos welcome the health nazis |
05 Sep 2007 07:36:26 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:50:34 -0400 there was an Ancient "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99A0EFDFC9C4Dfreddybear@216.151.153.14...
http://oldcontroller.blogspot.com/2007/09/these-two-things-are-
connected.html
These Two Things Are Connected
If this doesn't scare you, you haven't been paying attention.
First, John Edwards wants to make checkups, including mental checkups,
mandatory.
[Found by way of Instapundit, more at Ann Althouse's blog.
AP article by Amy Lorentzen.
TIPTON, Iowa - Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards said on
Sunday that his universal health care proposal would require that
Americans go to the doctor for preventive care.
"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody
get preventive care," he told a crowd sitting in lawn chairs in front of
the Cedar County Courthouse. "If you are going to be in the system, you
can't choose not to go to the doctor for 20 years. You have to go in and
be checked and make sure that you are OK."
If he really said that, he is an idiot.
Had that been in effect 20 years ago, I would have been treated for
Stage I Hodgkin's Disease with a simple operation and a brief course
of oral chemotherapy. As it was, I required three surguries, (two of
them major) six months of chemotherapy, and close to ten years of
follow-on treatment for opportunisitc infections and complications.
Preventive care makes sense. It keeps the costs down by catching
problems early before they become life-altering or life-threatening.
Had my cancer been caught early, it would have cost about ten grand to
fix. As it is, my first year of treatment topped one million dollars
in assorted costs (without insurance, I'd be dead.)
Don't want to get a physical once a year? Opt out of the program.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos welcome the health nazis |
05 Sep 2007 09:54:07 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:36:26 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Don't want to get a physical once a year? Opt out of the program.
Exactly!
No one is talking about forcing people to go to the doctor. You can
buy private health insurance, then sue your insurance company when
they refuse to cover you because you didn't do what the policy
requires, or you can opt into the federal plan and do what the plan
requires. There's no such thing as a policy in which you can set your
own conditions.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos welcome the health nazis |
06 Sep 2007 09:10:01 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:sqqud3187j2sv7ce52ciknic7v0t2ting8@4ax.com...
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:36:26 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Don't want to get a physical once a year? Opt out of the program.
Exactly!
No one is talking about forcing people to go to the doctor. You can
buy private health insurance, then sue your insurance company when
they refuse to cover you because you didn't do what the policy
requires, or you can opt into the federal plan and do what the plan
requires. There's no such thing as a policy in which you can set your
own conditions.
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Oh. I suppose I will have to go ahead and vote for him now, if that's what
he meant after all. He sure got a lot of buzz in the media, which was trying
to ignore his campaign.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Loser Fred Equates Healthcare to Nazism |
04 Sep 2007 09:56:07 AM |
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Not surprising, given how chicken Fred also equates 100K dead Iraqis
with "freedom".
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Big Chicken Coward Yangie-poo Runs Away |
04 Sep 2007 10:18:47 AM |
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I thought I'd remind you what a coward you are.
Afraid of the Big Bad Chickenhawk, Yangie-poo?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” - George
Orwell
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Big Chicken Coward Yangie-poo Runs Away |
04 Sep 2007 03:01:03 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99A173335431freddybear@216.151.153.13...
I thought I'd remind you what a coward you are.
Afraid of the Big Bad Chickenhawk, Yangie-poo?
Since the Big Bad Chickenhawk is in charge, yeah.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos welcome the health nazis |
04 Sep 2007 02:11:24 PM |
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On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to
treat something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Sep 2007 04:09:44 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0700, Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to
treat something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
Which could have been prevented if he had gone to the doctor on a
regular basis.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos welcome the health nazis |
04 Sep 2007 05:10:13 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:4cird391kos97kdkernilb5i0tf6aa4tb2@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0700, Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize
you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to
treat something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
Which could have been prevented if he had gone to the doctor on a
regular basis.
Don't come whining to me about where your freedom went, Al Klein. You
sacrificed it for a little bit of security.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "IAAH" |
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04 Sep 2007 05:23:45 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:4cird391kos97kdkernilb5i0tf6aa4tb2@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0700, Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize
you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to
treat something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
Which could have been prevented if he had gone to the doctor on a
regular basis.
Don't come whining to me about where your freedom went, Al Klein. You
sacrificed it for a little bit of security.
No, Fred. That would be you, around 6 years ago.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Sep 2007 05:53:00 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:qNednXSovOBuR0DbnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:4cird391kos97kdkernilb5i0tf6aa4tb2@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0700, Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what
the penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track
of whether you show up to appointments, the government can
penalize you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to
treat something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
Which could have been prevented if he had gone to the doctor on a
regular basis.
Don't come whining to me about where your freedom went, Al Klein. You
sacrificed it for a little bit of security.
No, Fred. That would be you, around 6 years ago.
No, that would be you, every day of your life.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Sep 2007 10:11:01 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:23:45 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:4cird391kos97kdkernilb5i0tf6aa4tb2@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0700, Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize
you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to
treat something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
Which could have been prevented if he had gone to the doctor on a
regular basis.
Don't come whining to me about where your freedom went, Al Klein. You
sacrificed it for a little bit of security.
No, Fred. That would be you, around 6 years ago.
You have to forgive Phred - he can't read very well.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Sep 2007 07:48:58 AM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:09:44 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0700, Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to treat
something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
Which could have been prevented if he had gone to the doctor on a
regular basis.
I dunno. We don't have any good treatments for Alzheimer's...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Sep 2007 09:06:18 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:48:58 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:09:44 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0700, Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You have no choice. You have to go. The article doesn't say what the
penalites are for not going, but as they will be keeping track of
whether you show up to appointments, the government can penalize you.
Damn right. Because if your idiotic, ignorant ***** doesn't go to the
doctor for 20 years, it'll cost the system that much more money to treat
something that could have been prevented if you...oh, I don't
know...went to the fucking doctor on a regular basis.
You sound like a retard, Fred.
Which could have been prevented if he had gone to the doctor on a
regular basis.
I dunno. We don't have any good treatments for Alzheimer's...
Phred's case is more like None's Heimer's.
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