Religions > Atheism > YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS?
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09 Feb 2006 09:11:10 AM |
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YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
Suicide Blast, Clashes in Pakistan Kill 22 By RIAZ KHAN, Associated
Press Writer
A suicide bombing ripped through a Shiite procession Thursday in
northwestern Pakistan, sparking riots during the Muslim sect's most
important holiday. At least 22 people were killed and dozens injured,
officials said.
The bomb targeted hundreds of people in a bazaar soon after they
emerged from the main Shiite mosque in the town of Hangu, district
police chief Ayub Khan said.
The Shiites responded by burning shops and cars while clashing with
police in the town, located about 125 miles southwest of the capital,
Islamabad, Khan said. Army troops moved in to restore order and a
curfew was imposed, he said.
Ghani ur-Rehman, the top district administrator, said 22 people were
reported killed and more than 50 wounded. He said more than 60 percent
of the town bazaar had burned in the violence that following the
bombing.
A security official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he
wasn't authorized to speak to the media, said some of the fatalities
came during gun fights between battling factions in the town after the
attack.
Akram Durrani, the top elected official in the province, said a
preliminary investigation showed the bomb was a suicide attack. He
immediately announced a judicial inquiry into the incident.
The attack took place at the height of the Ashoura holiday, which marks
the 7th century death of Imam Hussein, a grandson of the Prophet
Muhammad. Hussein's death led to a rivalry between Shiites and Sunnis
over who should succeed the prophet.
Security was tight for the holiday because it has been marred by
violence in recent years. Sunni Muslims - the majority in Pakistan
- have been blamed for attacking Shiites during the event, which
involves religious processions across the country.
After the attack Thursday, police mounted road blocks on the road to
Hangu. An Associated Press reporter was barred from passing beyond
Ustarzai, a town about 15 miles from the scene. Police even blocked
three ambulances.
Mir Faisal, a local government chief in Hangu, said smoke was hanging
over the town because of fires in the bazaar and he could hear gunfire.
He said army and paramilitary troops had arrived but it was still too
dangerous for any officials to go outside.
Hangu Mayor Ghani Ur-Rahman, however, said the situation was under
control by early afternoon. He said Sunni and Shiite leaders were
helping to calm the situation.
Clerics from both sects used mosque loudspeakers to urge their
followers to avoid further violence, which many feared could spread to
other processions across Pakistan.
A prominent Shiite cleric, Allama Mehdi Najfi, in the southwestern city
of Quetta told the AP: "This attack has spread anger among our people
throughout the country, but I appeal them not to clash with any member
of other sects."
Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed condemned the attack.
"This is a conspiracy to trigger clashes between Sunnis and Shiites. No
Muslim can do this thing. Whoever has done this thing is a terrorist,"
he said.
Top officials of the North West Frontier Province held an emergency
meeting in the northwestern city of Peshawar to discuss how to control
the situation, a provincial official said on condition of anonymity
because he wasn't authorized to disclose it.
Durrani announced the government would pay more than $1,500 to the
families of each of the dead.
Sectarian attacks have plagued this Islamic nation for years.
Last March, 46 pilgrims died in the bombing of a Shiite shrine in the
southwestern town of Fatehpur. In March 2004, Sunni militants launched
a suicide attack on an Ashoura procession of Shiites in the regional
capital of Quetta, killing 44 people.
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"Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed condemned the attack.
"This is a conspiracy to trigger clashes between Sunnis and Shiites. No
Muslim can do this thing. Whoever has done this thing is a terrorist,"
he said."
YEAH RIGHT....
As Abdul Rahman al-Rashed, a prominent Arab writer, puts it in a
polemic in an Arab newspaper: "All world terrorists are Muslim
.... we must admit the scandalous facts ... our terrorist sons are
an end product of our corrupted culture."
The fact that so many muslims are protesting a cartoon does not make
any sense considering the cartoons speak to the reality of what Islam
is today.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 09:28:01 AM |
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Because Islam is an enabler without which suicide terrorism could not
exist. It's myriad exhortations to violence are used as justification
for myriad frustrated people with hopeless lives and no futures to
accomplish three things: They get revenge on a world they feel has
shortchanged them, they get relief from their miserable existences via
suicide, and, most importantly of all, they fulfill what they see as a
religious duty which, if Islam is true, will reward them with an
afterlife infinitely more pleasant than their earthly one. And in the
case of the infinitesimally small possibility that Islam isn't true,
hey, they still accomplished the first two objectives, so it's win-win.
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| User: "#MMM#" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 09:45:54 AM |
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An Islamic martyr is encouraged, blessed, and honoured in the Muslim
world. He is a hero who will be remembered in the annals of Islam. He
will be rewarded in Paradise! The Muslim community will support his
surviving family. With insurance such as this, what has he to lose?
drahcir wrote:
Because Islam is an enabler without which suicide terrorism could not
exist. It's myriad exhortations to violence are used as justification
for myriad frustrated people with hopeless lives and no futures to
accomplish three things: They get revenge on a world they feel has
shortchanged them, they get relief from their miserable existences via
suicide, and, most importantly of all, they fulfill what they see as a
religious duty which, if Islam is true, will reward them with an
afterlife infinitely more pleasant than their earthly one. And in the
case of the infinitesimally small possibility that Islam isn't true,
hey, they still accomplished the first two objectives, so it's win-win.
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| User: "skilz" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 10:01:26 AM |
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Are you a muslim? I'm not one to believe what the media portray a
religious group to believe to be. But there is clear evidence that 911
was not attacked by muslim terrorist or Al quida group. This group is
being used as a leveraged from the U.S.on the war of terrorism to
control there resources (oil) which supplies 2/3 of the world and which
the US continues build the pipeline from Iraq to Afghananstan. Osama
was the culprit for 911 but we went after Saddam and still have not
continue catch or really search for this so called terrorist. Further
more we have numerous racism (hate groups) right here in the U.S.which
to me is a form of terrorism on US land that I do not see the goverment
shutting down there offices that are listing in phone books. Meaning
churches of today being burnt to the ground, and cross burning. That's
not terrorism?. And let's not start with Corporate America predatory
lending to low income families, setting up families to lose there
homes. Jobs being outsorced to avoid US taxes and to pay less to
foreigners. Wake up drahcir!
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| User: "drahcir" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 10:08:46 AM |
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skilz wrote:
Are you a muslim? I'm not one to believe what the media portray a
religious group to believe to be. But there is clear evidence that 911
was not attacked by muslim terrorist or Al quida group. This group is
being used as a leveraged from the U.S.on the war of terrorism to
control there resources (oil) which supplies 2/3 of the world and which
the US continues build the pipeline from Iraq to Afghananstan. Osama
was the culprit for 911 but we went after Saddam and still have not
continue catch or really search for this so called terrorist. Further
more we have numerous racism (hate groups) right here in the U.S.which
to me is a form of terrorism on US land that I do not see the goverment
shutting down there offices that are listing in phone books. Meaning
churches of today being burnt to the ground, and cross burning. That's
not terrorism?. And let's not start with Corporate America predatory
lending to low income families, setting up families to lose there
homes. Jobs being outsorced to avoid US taxes and to pay less to
foreigners. Wake up drahcir!
What would you think about a restriction placed on newsgroups where
those with an IQ of below 90 would be segregated from the remainder of
posters?
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| User: "skilz" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 10:22:10 AM |
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I'm not coming to your level..And will not respond to replies again.
But I have the right to voice my opinion.
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| User: "Khubla" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 10:18:22 AM |
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It would cut 50-75% of the post but I am for it. I could be done this way:
First a prospective member would be required to submit their results of an
on-line IQ test from a list of approved sites. Second, upon acceptance they
would be assigned a membership number and password for access if they wish
to post or reply to a message. The site would be open to the public to read
messages only.
Khubla
"drahcir" <suedoe2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139501326.688276.196420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
skilz wrote:
Are you a muslim? I'm not one to believe what the media portray a
religious group to believe to be. But there is clear evidence that 911
was not attacked by muslim terrorist or Al quida group. This group is
being used as a leveraged from the U.S.on the war of terrorism to
control there resources (oil) which supplies 2/3 of the world and which
the US continues build the pipeline from Iraq to Afghananstan. Osama
was the culprit for 911 but we went after Saddam and still have not
continue catch or really search for this so called terrorist. Further
more we have numerous racism (hate groups) right here in the U.S.which
to me is a form of terrorism on US land that I do not see the goverment
shutting down there offices that are listing in phone books. Meaning
churches of today being burnt to the ground, and cross burning. That's
not terrorism?. And let's not start with Corporate America predatory
lending to low income families, setting up families to lose there
homes. Jobs being outsorced to avoid US taxes and to pay less to
foreigners. Wake up drahcir!
What would you think about a restriction placed on newsgroups where
those with an IQ of below 90 would be segregated from the remainder of
posters?
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| User: "thereactionary" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 02:52:24 PM |
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Of course all terrorists are not Muslim. But between 80 and 90 percent
are. Given the percentage of the world population that is Muslim, that
means that a person is about 25 to 50 times as likely to be a terrorist
if he is a Muslim than if he is not.
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| User: "john fernbach" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 03:19:14 PM |
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The title of this string is intellectual crap, obviously. It's a lie,
because it's not true that "all terrorists are Muslims."
Reactionary's comments offer an important qualification. But he's
still being unfair to Islam - which is a religion, by the way, that I
don't belong to.
terrorism is "asymetric warfare," in the lingo of the experts.
It's the weapon of people who are militarily weak against other people
who are militarily stronger.
Right now a lot of radical Islamists feel militarily weak vis a vis
their opponents - especially the US and the Israelis and governments
allied with them. The Israelis and the Americans have nuclear weapons,
large numbers of fighter planes and bombers, access to nerve gas, lots
of tanks, superb military machines.
The radical Islamists, such as Bin Laden, and the Palestinian Muslims
and secular nationalists, such Hamas and Fatah, don't have any of this
stuff. What they can command are fanatically dedicated followers who
are willing to die.
Rightly or wrongly, they therefore make use of the military resources
they command, to make up for the military resources they lack.
This doesn't excuse the terrorism, but it does explain it.
Under other circumstances, Irish nationalists and Ulster Protestants
have been terrorists. So have Zionist Jews; so have Russian Bolsheviks
and anti-Bolsheviks. So were many of the anarchists of the late 1800s.
So are the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka today, who are a secular
nationalist group.
So terrorism is not a Muslim monopoly.
Shiite Islam does have one noticeably "terrorist" tradition, the legacy
of the "Assassins" or "Hashishim" led by the Old Man of the Mountain in
medieval Lebanon.
By drugging his impressionable young followers and persuading them that
they could enter Paradise by dying on the missions he chose for them,
the Old Man of the Mountain did succeed in wielding power all out of
proportion to his military capacilities across a wide swath of the
Middle East, as his fearless followers assassinated his major enemies,
one by one.
Arguably, Bin Laden and Hamas are following in this guy's footsteps.
But leave out the element of suicide, and there's nothing especially
new about the terrorism that these particular groups practice.
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Tell the truth, and shame the Devil.
old Irish proverb
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| User: "thereactionary" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 04:10:17 PM |
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"terrorism is "asymetric warfare," in the lingo of the experts.
It's the weapon of people who are militarily weak against other people
who are militarily stronger."
No, terrorism is not asymetric warfare. Asymetric warfare would be
what the Mujahedeen used against the Russians. Or it might be what the
colonial malitia in the US used againt the British.
Asymetric warfare does not include mass attacks on the opponents
civilian population or upon your own civilian population if it does not
agree with you.
Asymetric warfare still includes the objective of defeating the
military of your opponent. Terrorism does not seek to defeat the
military of the opponent, but rather break the will of the opponents
home nation by "terrorizing" its civilian population. It may also
include "terrorizing" your own civilian population in cases where that
civilian population would rather cooperate with your enemy than with
you.
And yes, there are and have been many other terrorist groups. But that
does not change the fact that 80 to 90 percent of today's terrorists
are Muslims. And if you will take the time to study the Quran and the
Ahadith, you will see why terrorism and Islam are such cozy bed
partners.
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 01:04:55 PM |
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Seeing as how they're not, youre question is rather innane. :-/
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
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"'True Perfection' would not be sadistic enough
to create anything other than its exact equal."
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Bonus sig:
"Every Buddha just needs some Buddha to love..."
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| User: "skilz" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 09:16:34 AM |
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This is being done by the freemasonry group called the illuminaties.
This group is 6 million deep. visit thruthstream.org for more details.
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| User: "John_065" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 11:02:14 AM |
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WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS?
THEY BECAME INSANE SINCE THEY ***** YOUR MAMA.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 09:47:54 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Muhammad's Turban"
<shaolinninjitsu@hotmail.com> posting the following on 9 Feb 2006
07:11:10 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
The fact that so many muslims are protesting a cartoon does not make
any sense considering the cartoons speak to the reality of what Islam
is today.
Never heard of the Provisional Wing of the Irish Republician Army? The
Red Brigades? Sendero Luminoso? The Ulster Defense Brigade? FARC?
There are dozens of non muslim terrorist groups around the world.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
09 Feb 2006 10:25:56 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "Muhammad's Turban"
<shaolinninjitsu@hotmail.com> posting the following on 9 Feb 2006
07:11:10 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
The fact that so many muslims are protesting a cartoon does not make
any sense considering the cartoons speak to the reality of what Islam
is today.
Never heard of the Provisional Wing of the Irish Republician Army? The
Red Brigades? Sendero Luminoso? The Ulster Defense Brigade? FARC?
There are dozens of non muslim terrorist groups around the world.
Dougy needs a lesson. Dougy needs a pie lesson. Here is a pie, Dougy.
The pie has some slices. Each slice represents a terrorist group. Each
of your above-mentioned groups is represented by one slice, and muslim
terrorist groups are represented by one slice. The size of each slice
is determined by the number of people killled or injured by the group
represented by that slice within the last 12 months. If Dougy can
determine the size of each slice. he will get a gold star. Will Dougy
get a gold star?
Why, oh why, can someone please tell me, why is usenet filled with
morons?
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
13 Feb 2006 07:14:03 AM |
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Religious terrorism happens when people think they have the "one true
religion" and everyone else who doesn't have this "one troo religion"
is evil and out to deprive those people belonging to the OTR of their
religion. Fundamentalist religions, where everything is laid out in
some book or beliefs and rituals are especially prone to violence.
Fundamentalist Christians and the Catholic Church did their terrorism
in the past. Muslims are doing it now. That's the only difference.
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| User: "thereactionary" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
13 Feb 2006 09:45:50 AM |
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"Fundamentalist Christians and the Catholic Church did their terrorism
in the past. Muslims are doing it now. That's the only difference. "
The Muslims did it in the past and now. The religion was born in
violence. Mohammed was as much or more of a military leader than a
spiritual leader. He led his armies of thugs into 17 major battles,
most of them offensive. He robbed caravans. He screwed a 9 year old
girl. He had people killed that didn't agree with him. When Islam
invaded India in the 11th Century, 70 million Hindus and Buddhists
ended up loosing their lives.
The problem with Islam is that it will never shake it's violent ways
because violence and imperialism are so strongly written into it's
texts.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
13 Feb 2006 01:19:38 PM |
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wrote:
Religious terrorism happens when people think they have the "one true
religion" and everyone else who doesn't have this "one troo religion"
is evil and out to deprive those people belonging to the OTR of their
religion. Fundamentalist religions, where everything is laid out in
some book or beliefs and rituals are especially prone to violence.
Fundamentalist Christians and the Catholic Church did their terrorism
in the past. Muslims are doing it now. That's the only difference.
What's your point? That a group with a medieval mentality is the same
as another group who had a similar mentality in medieval times? That's
just about the stupidest thing I have read today.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
14 Feb 2006 03:38:54 AM |
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<What's your point? That a group with a medieval mentality is the same
as another group who had a similar mentality in medieval times? That's
just about the stupidest thing I have read today.>
How can any religion that has a history of violence and oppression be
"the one true religion". And as for calling my post stupid, that is
the typical fundamentalist and religious fanatic way of debating; to
call the other person "stupid" or tell them they're "going to hell".
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| User: "drahcir" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
14 Feb 2006 03:19:40 PM |
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wrote:
<What's your point? That a group with a medieval mentality is the same
as another group who had a similar mentality in medieval times? That's
just about the stupidest thing I have read today.>
How can any religion that has a history of violence and oppression be
"the one true religion".
I can see that you just babble the first silly thing that comes to
your, ahem, "mind". Who is talking about a one true religion? You made
the absurd statement that islam is basically the same as christianity,
except for 1500 years or so. Try to focus, will you:?
And as for calling my post stupid, that is
the typical fundamentalist and religious fanatic way of debating; to
call the other person "stupid" or tell them they're "going to hell".
I just call 'em like i see 'em, einstein.
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| User: "who_cares" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
16 Feb 2006 08:46:46 AM |
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On 14 Feb 2006 13:19:40 -0800, "drahcir" <suedoe2@hotmail.com> wrote:
DedNdogYrs@AOL.com wrote:
<What's your point? That a group with a medieval mentality is the same
as another group who had a similar mentality in medieval times? That's
just about the stupidest thing I have read today.>
How can any religion that has a history of violence and oppression be
"the one true religion".
I can see that you just babble the first silly thing that comes to
your, ahem, "mind". Who is talking about a one true religion? You made
the absurd statement that islam is basically the same as christianity,
except for 1500 years or so. Try to focus, will you:?
And as for calling my post stupid, that is
the typical fundamentalist and religious fanatic way of debating; to
call the other person "stupid" or tell them they're "going to hell".
I just call 'em like i see 'em, einstein.
The problem is.... your eyes are connected to your brain.
You have a defective brain. It's obvious.
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| User: "drahcir" |
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| Title: Re: YET ANOTHER MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER. WHY ARE ALL THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS MUSLIMS? |
16 Feb 2006 01:07:13 PM |
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who_cares wrote:
On 14 Feb 2006 13:19:40 -0800, "drahcir" <suedoe2@hotmail.com> wrote:
DedNdogYrs@AOL.com wrote:
<What's your point? That a group with a medieval mentality is the same
as another group who had a similar mentality in medieval times? That's
just about the stupidest thing I have read today.>
How can any religion that has a history of violence and oppression be
"the one true religion".
I can see that you just babble the first silly thing that comes to
your, ahem, "mind". Who is talking about a one true religion? You made
the absurd statement that islam is basically the same as christianity,
except for 1500 years or so. Try to focus, will you:?
And as for calling my post stupid, that is
the typical fundamentalist and religious fanatic way of debating; to
call the other person "stupid" or tell them they're "going to hell".
I just call 'em like i see 'em, einstein.
The problem is.... your eyes are connected to your brain.
You have a defective brain. It's obvious.
You poor thing, you don't realize that you parrot my posts to you, do
you?
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