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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Christian Crusader"
Date: 14 Jan 2007 10:05:19 AM
Object: You Are *SORELY* Mistaken If . . .
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1) You believe there is no God, or Gods.
2) You believe there is no life after death.
3) You believe there is no karma & reincarnation.
4) You believe there are no ghosts or souls.
5) You believe that our souls are not immortal.
6) You believe there are no UFOs from outer space.
7) You believe that UFOs never make crop circles.
8) You believe that the Universe is not infinite.
9) You believe the Judeo-Xian Bible is a fairy tale.
10) You believe all non-Liberals are brain-dead morons.
11) You believe all non-Atheists are brain-dead morons.
12) You believe there is no divine Intelligent Design.
13) You believe the gospel According to Charles Darwin.
14) You believe the Ten Commandments don't apply to you.
15) You believe the Golden Rule doesn't apply to you.
16) You believe that Atheism is not a draconian religion.
17) You believe that Atheists are superior to non-Atheists.
18) You believe in Liberalism, or Legalized Anarchy (oxymoron!).
19) You believe only Atheism should be taught in public schools.
20) You believe Atheism should remain the official State Religion.
21) You believe that abortion is not cold-blooded murder.
22) You believe homosexual sex is not abominable adultery.
23) You believe that Atheism will supersede non-Atheism.
24) You believe that Liberalism will supersede non-Liberalism.
25) You believe law-abiding freedom of speech is a bad thing.
26) You believe law-abiding freedom of religion is a bad thing.
27) You believe that the supernatural is nonsense, or "satanic".
28) You believe there was no worldwide flood circa 28,000 BC.
29) You believe the antediluvian Earth was not Atlas or Atlantis.
30) You believe there is no such eternal place as Heaven & Hell.
If any of the above is what you believe, you're SORELY mistaken!
Nihil Condolences,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: You Are *SORELY* Mistaken If . . . 14 Jan 2007 10:20:21 AM
1. you actually believe that the christian sky pixie is a LOVING, CARING
sky pixie
2. you believe there's a christian sky pixie in the first place
3. you worship a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** just so
you
can get into magical mystery fantasy land called heaven
4. you think that you're actually going to get to see your loved ones in
magical mystery fantasy land called
heaven when you die
5. you think your sky buddy is going to protect your children. The
christian just gets his rocks off when
chldren are being murdered
6. you think the "jehovah" god and the "non-jehovah" god are two different
beings
7. you MURDER your child just because some sky buddy tells you to.
8 you actually believe there are no cntradictions in the bible
9. you think the crock of ***** known as the christian bible is "god's
word".
10. you think you can ignore the golden rule just because you're a christian
11. you think that you're superior to atheists because you worship a sky
buddy
12. you think that the all-powerful sky buddy couldn't save the child down
the street from being raped and murdered because he had something else more
important that days, making water stains takes presedence over saving a
child, you know.
13. you believe that everyone should worship a sky buddy that MURDERED
everyone during the time of noah, killed the first born of egypt, MURDERED
everyone in sodom and gomorrah, MURDERED lot's wife.
14. you believe that an all-powerful sky buddy couldn't have come up with a
better way to forgive sin than sending his only son down to earth for the
sle purpose of being killed to forgive sin which he created in the first
fucking place
15. you believe the horsecrap about "no room at the inn" and the son of god
being born in a manger, it makes a fairy tale, but that's about it.
16. you believe abortion is murder, but killing abortion doctors is
perfectly acceptable behavior.
17. you believe that KILLING YOUR children because some sky buddy told you
to, is just fine and dandy
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User: "Dr. Egan"

Title: Standing up for God 15 Jan 2007 02:05:09 PM
I have to point out to people that Jesus Christ is NOT a muderer,
anyone who reads the bible will know that. And if you refer to the
story of Abriham and his son then you sould know that God was testing
him. You Should also note that the storys in the Tenek when God dose
kill humams he has a good reason, the flood, God did that because
Humans were living to long and were living evil lives, and plus that
story is really a parable. You who speak of God in this way do not keep
any two of his commandment and will go to hell for it if you do not
change your ways, but for those of you who keep but one of his
commandments( Jesus's two commandments) will spend untill the end of
the world in Purgetory but will enter the kingdom. God dose not want to
send you to hell but like a court he has to do Justist.
Thank you if you read this.
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Standing up for God 16 Jan 2007 02:24:35 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168891507.668773.135340@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...

I have to point out to people that Jesus Christ is NOT a muderer,
anyone who reads the bible will know that. And if you refer to the
story of Abriham and his son then you sould know that God was testing
him.

do you think that an all-powerful sky buddy could've come up with a BETTER
test of faith than MURDER your only son?
why is the christian god such a COLD-HEARTED *****?
and why did you not address the 200,000+ people that were MURDERED by the
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy when he created the tsunami a
couple of years ago
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User: "Dr. Egan"

Title: Natural Disasters 16 Jan 2007 02:38:32 PM
Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 16 Jan 2007 03:21:43 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168979911.942161.305970@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that.

Guess your god doesn't control anything, eh?

And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.

Ah, so you don't worship the christian god then. Gotcha.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 20 Jan 2007 10:21:54 AM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168979911.942161.305970@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.

good, so then you don't worship the MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky pixie
.

User: "Sy Bourg"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 16 Jan 2007 05:02:54 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168979911.942161.305970@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.

Go to hell!!
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User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 17 Jan 2007 01:38:02 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Sy Bourg" <Sy@yahoo.net> bloodied us up with
this:


"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168979911.942161.305970@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.



Go to hell!!



Can you give us directions? Don't forget, we're lost souls.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page.
Don’t be afraid. The lack of a deity is not an opening for chaos. It is a
call for responsibility. -Lauren Becker
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User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 17 Jan 2007 03:49:28 AM
On 17 Jan 2007 07:38:02 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns98BAF077C1563vicman@66.250.146.128>

One fine day in alt.atheism, "Sy Bourg" <Sy@yahoo.net> bloodied us up with
this:


"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168979911.942161.305970@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.



Go to hell!!




Can you give us directions? Don't forget, we're lost souls.

Oval Office, first floor, turn right, then hard right.
--
.



User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 16 Jan 2007 04:13:14 PM
Dr. Egan skrev:

Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose

Ah, the Bible is not to be trusted. Thank you, but we all knew that.

that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.

Oh well then, as long as it wasn't for fun it was okay. Thanks for
clearing that up.
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User: "JessHC"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 16 Jan 2007 04:34:18 PM
Dr. Egan wrote:

Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.

How does the earth "cause" natural disaster?
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User: "cactus"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 16 Jan 2007 05:02:15 PM
Dr. Egan wrote:

Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.

You'd better get used to it. Where was your god during the Crusades,
during the great plagues, during the Holocaust, during the Armenian
genocide?
Not convenient, but real.


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User: "OG"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 16 Jan 2007 06:58:25 PM
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:XPcrh.10452$ji1.9375@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...

Dr. Egan wrote:

Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.


You'd better get used to it. Where was your god during the Crusades,
during the great plagues, during the Holocaust, during the Armenian
genocide?

Not convenient, but real.

I'm not really sure what you're saying,
Either
A God does not exist and these things happened because some people can be
wicked and use 'God' as a justification for their own wickedness even though
'God' doesn't exist.
or
B God does exist and these things happened because he made people do it
because God is wicked
or
C God does exist and these things happened because some people can be wicked
and use God as a justification for their own wickedness.
If A, or C - the problem isn't really with God is it, and if it is B,
there's not really a lot we can do about it (what with God being God etc).
.


User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Natural Disasters 17 Jan 2007 12:14:54 AM
On 16 Jan 2007 12:38:32 -0800, "Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1168979911.942161.305970@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


Please note that God dose not cause natural disaster, the earth dose
that. And any God that murders millions for fun is not my god.

You've been tumbled, Loki.
No go away and sharpen your skills.
--
.



User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: Standing up for God 15 Jan 2007 02:09:08 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168891507.668773.135340@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...

I have to point out to people that Jesus Christ is NOT a muderer,
anyone who reads the bible will know that. And if you refer to the
story of Abriham and his son then you sould know that God was testing
him. You Should also note that the storys in the Tenek when God dose
kill humams he has a good reason, the flood, God did that because
Humans were living to long and were living evil lives, and plus that
story is really a parable. You who speak of God in this way do not keep
any two of his commandment and will go to hell for it if you do not
change your ways, but for those of you who keep but one of his
commandments( Jesus's two commandments) will spend untill the end of
the world in Purgetory but will enter the kingdom. God dose not want to
send you to hell but like a court he has to do Justist.
Thank you if you read this.

The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid
objective verifiable evidence. Should we believe in a god for whom there is
NO solid objective evidence? The evidence available is quite the contrary.
It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is based purely on faith in
totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable evidence of
any kind.
The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of unknown
veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years. There are
NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the originals said.
The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, contradictions
and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions alone of the English
Bible interpretations.
According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth and
everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during this
time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's RIBS.
According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly created
this huge complex Universe in six days!
This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named Jesus
to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach his
wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has
existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years to
come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he himself
created!)?
This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to Earth as
a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a virgin
called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous way?
Arrogant humans had to make up a myth
about a god arriving from the womb of another human.
If Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of
Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be married to
a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all powerful
god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to create? He
supposedly created the Universe and everything in it!
If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did he
use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth???
He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an
adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. After
about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants that
he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and
commands.
There are no significant records of Jesus', (the Christ) actual existence in
the non religious documents of the era. Depending upon which Bible story you
choose, it is claimed he preached his doctrines for less than one, two or
three years. In any case, why put himself on earth for some thirty
inconsequential years and only use a few of these years to preach his
doctrines? And then not use his omnipotent power to preach to the WHOLE
world instead of just a miniscule part of the world around Jerusalem?
Jesus was baptized. In Christianity, baptism is the sacrament of
regeneration and initiation into the Christian church. According to a theme
of St. Paul the Apostle, baptism is death to a former life and the emergence
of a new person, signified by the conferring of a new name; it is the total
annulment of the sins of one's past, from which one emerges a totally
innocent person. Then why would a 'God Jesus' need to be baptized?
His sermons and teachings only reached a miniscule part of the world
population at that time because he did not speak via the equivalent of
International Radio or TV. IF he was an ALL powerful creator of the world,
he certainly would have the ability to speak to ALL of mankind by means at
least as effective as man. Why did this all powerful god creator wait
100,000 years to come and preach to only a very small segment of the world,
for a very short period of time, (depending on which Bible you choose) and
then leave us without ANY solid objective verifiable evidence of his
existence, his wishes and commands? Why did he not preserve his teachings in
some permanent form for all of mankind in the future? The Bibles were
supposedly written by 56 or more authors of unknown veracity over a period
of thousands of years. There are NO - NADA originals of any of the Bibles in
existence. The originals have all rotted and disappeared thousands of years
ago. They are all hand copies of copies etc. of unknown actual origin and
veracity.
Why would any omnipotent God, creator of this huge complex Universe, provide
his message in such a sloppy, inaccurate, unreliable, questionable and
confusing manor???
Why did he not use his great omnipotent powers to preach to the WHOLE world
from his Heaven, instead of just preaching to an insignificant portion of
the world?? Why did he leave most of mankind totally in the dark?
He supposedly distributed his word via hand copied documents called the
Bibles. Yet NONE of the Bibles were written during his 'claimed' time on
earth. The original Bibles were written and hand recopied more than 1500
years before the invention of the printing press. There is no evidence that
Jesus ever wrote a word. NO ORIGINAL copies of ANY of the Bibles exist. Why
did he not preserve them? The Bibles now in existence are hand copies of
copies etc. of unknown and doubtful veracity. They are largely myths,
fables, hearsay and contradictory and implausible tales. The four books of
the New Testament were written and copied somewhere between 60 and 200 years
AFTER Jesus' supposed existence. None of the authors could have known him
directly. They are all third person fictional narratives of unknown
veracity. Why would a real god, creator of this huge Universe, not arrange
for the creation of clear, authentic, contemporary and permanent copies of
his word?
During his brief adulthood, preaching his word, he is 'claimed' to have
restored site to a few of the blind, restored mobility to a few of the
crippled and restored health to a few of the sick. Why was he so niggardly
about helping the poor, the disabled and the sick? Is this the likely
conduct of an all loving God creator?
After the brief period of time he preached, it only reached a very small
part of the world's population. He did not avail himself of any
communication means as effective as Radio, TV, Telephone or the Internet. He
then allowed himself to be painfully and brutally crucified on a cross
between two criminals to pay for man's sins (which he created). If he died
on the cross to save mankind, why was mankind no better off after this
supposed crucifixion than before? Was all this blood and gore for nothing?!
The Roman courts were models of order and fairness. A man was not condemned
without a trial; he was not handed to the executioner before being found
guilty. And yet we are asked to believe that an innocent man was brought
before a Roman court, where Pontius Pilate was Judge; that no charge of
wrongdoing having been brought against him, the Judge declared that he found
him innocent; but the mob shouted, "Crucify him; crucify him!" and to please
the rabble, Pilate commanded that the man whom he had found innocent, should
be delivered to the executioners to be crucified! Also, real criminals were
crucified by being 'tied' to the cross - not nailed! What was the purpose of
all this blood and gore? Why should any REAL god need to suffer for man's
sins??? (which god created)
Why was his life and crucifixion not in any of the numerous historical
documents of the time??? Why is this only in church documents?
If Jesus performed the wonderful miracles the New Testament describes, why
did the people want him crucified? Is it not amazing that a civilized people
would demand that a kind and loving man who went about doing good works, who
preached forgiveness, cleansed the leprous, and raised the dead - that they
could not be appeased until they had brutally crucified the noblest
benefactor of mankind? This makes NO sense at all!
If he could create the Universe and every thing in it, (including sin) why
did he not just forgive man's sins, directly from his heaven, without all
this blood and gore? Three days after he died he supposedly rose from the
dead and returned to his heaven. Why did he wait uncomfortably in a crypt
for three days after his death and internment to return to his magnificent
heaven? Why did he wait 30 years!? How can an immortal god die? Jesus did
not die for our sins. People are still praying to him in his supposed
heaven!
What was the logic and purpose of this gruesome and painful killing? Only a
miniscule part of the world's population at the time would be aware of this
claimed sacrifice.
Billions of people today are still not knowledgeable believers of this
highly implausible story. Why did he not preserve a video tape, DVD or other
permanent record of this historic episode? If man is capable of these
devices certainly a god creator should be equally or more proficient.
Why did he not leave any 'authenticated' documents accurately substantiating
his appearance? Why has he failed to communicate further for over 2,000
years?
He supposedly went through this torture and humiliating death to pay for
mans sins which he himself created! Why did he not just wave his wand and
forgive mans sins and skip all the ridiculous blood and gore??? Why did he
create sin in the first place? This should be no problem for a god that
created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam's rib, and this immense Universe.
Why do people supposedly still have the same sins that he died for?
Why does he encourage or permit Christians to drink his blood and eat his
flesh? Isn't this a pagan ritual?
Why does he continue to allow thousands of greedy self serving men to
deliver his word to his flock in such a vague, inconsistent, contradictory,
and ineffectual manner? There are hundreds of different Christian sects and
beliefs. There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs and
practices. Why does he allow this gross confusion? Why does he not
communicate clearly and DIRECTLY to his entire flock that he is the real god
and all the others are fakes? It would be more responsible and more
effective to eliminate this gross confusion?
If he is the real god, why does he even permit the belief and propagation of
thousands of false gods and false religions?
The Christ tale is obviously not factual but pure myth and legend.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
contrary; that man created Gods!
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User: "Dr. Egan"

Title: Re: Standing up for God 16 Jan 2007 02:27:01 PM
I will try to answer all these questions to the best of my ablity. And
forgive me for any spelling or Grammar mistakes

The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of unknown
veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years. There are
NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the originals said.

Answer: This is untrue, a number of copys of original copys of the new
testement are still here.

The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, contradictions
and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions alone of the English
Bible interpretations.

Answer: The first books of the Bible is storys past down, The new
testement was writen 37 years after the death of Jesus, problably
writen by men who know Jesus.

According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth and
everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during this
time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's RIBS.

Answer:I wouldn't read too deeply into that story, but it's as posible
as any other theory of Creation, the big bang for example, what came
before that, and before that? tell me.

According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly created
this huge complex Universe in six days!

Answer:If God is all powerful, why couldn't he?

This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named Jesus
to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach his
wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has
existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years to
come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he himself
created!)?

Answer:Maybe God only felt it to be the right time then.

This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to Earth as
a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a virgin
called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous way?
Arrogant humans had to make up a myth
about a god arriving from the womb of another human.

Answer: God is Humbal all if he came in the womb of a kings wife then
it wouldn't look very humbol, and Mary has no original sin, do you
think a rich woman would have no sin?

If Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of
Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be married to
a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all powerful
god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to create? He
supposedly created the Universe and everything in it!

Answer: Joseph Married Mary because God came to him in a vision and
told him that he had done this to her and not another man. Joseph Loved
Mary. And in that time an unmarried woman will a child would be stoned
for being a sinner. Again God came to earth thought Mary because he is
a humbal God.

If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did he
use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth???

Already answerd

He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an
adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. After
about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants that
he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and
commands.

In Johns Gosple he gose to the passover in the holy city when he is 12
and preaches in the temple

There are no significant records of Jesus', (the Christ) actual existence in
the non religious documents of the era. Depending upon which Bible story you
choose, it is claimed he preached his doctrines for less than one, two or
three years. In any case, why put himself on earth for some thirty
inconsequential years and only use a few of these years to preach his
doctrines? And then not use his omnipotent power to preach to the WHOLE
world instead of just a miniscule part of the world around Jerusalem?

Only the faithful enter the kingdom of heaven, if God did that there
would be no need for faith

Jesus was baptized. In Christianity, baptism is the sacrament of
regeneration and initiation into the Christian church. According to a theme
of St. Paul the Apostle, baptism is death to a former life and the emergence
of a new person, signified by the conferring of a new name; it is the total
annulment of the sins of one's past, from which one emerges a totally
innocent person. Then why would a 'God Jesus' need to be baptized?

It symbolised the begining of his ministry

His sermons and teachings only reached a miniscule part of the world
population at that time because he did not speak via the equivalent of
International Radio or TV. IF he was an ALL powerful creator of the world,
he certainly would have the ability to speak to ALL of mankind by means at
least as effective as man. Why did this all powerful god creator wait
100,000 years to come and preach to only a very small segment of the world,
for a very short period of time, (depending on which Bible you choose) and
then leave us without ANY solid objective verifiable evidence of his
existence, his wishes and commands? Why did he not preserve his teachings in
some permanent form for all of mankind in the future? The Bibles were
supposedly written by 56 or more authors of unknown veracity over a period
of thousands of years. There are NO - NADA originals of any of the Bibles in
existence. The originals have all rotted and disappeared thousands of years
ago. They are all hand copies of copies etc. of unknown actual origin and
veracity.

As I said before if God spoke ot all man kind then there would be no
need for faith, and there are originals of the New Testement as far as
I know and I devote myself more to the new.

Why would any omnipotent God, creator of this huge complex Universe, provide
his message in such a sloppy, inaccurate, unreliable, questionable and
confusing manor???

Think of God as a father, if a fathers son is foolish, ignorent and
stupid his father will still love him, and God is the greatest of all
fathers

Why did he not use his great omnipotent powers to preach to the WHOLE world
from his Heaven, instead of just preaching to an insignificant portion of
the world?? Why did he leave most of mankind totally in the dark?

He didn't leave them in the dark, the evedents is here today,
Christainty is the largest world religion in the world and still the
fastest growing.

He supposedly distributed his word via hand copied documents called the
Bibles. Yet NONE of the Bibles were written during his 'claimed' time on
earth. The original Bibles were written and hand recopied more than 1500
years before the invention of the printing press. There is no evidence that
Jesus ever wrote a word. NO ORIGINAL copies of ANY of the Bibles exist. Why
did he not preserve them? The Bibles now in existence are hand copies of
copies etc. of unknown and doubtful veracity. They are largely myths,
fables, hearsay and contradictory and implausible tales. The four books of
the New Testament were written and copied somewhere between 60 and 200 years
AFTER Jesus' supposed existence. None of the authors could have known him
directly. They are all third person fictional narratives of unknown
veracity. Why would a real god, creator of this huge Universe, not arrange
for the creation of clear, authentic, contemporary and permanent copies of
his word?

The first Gospel was writen in 70AD 37 years after his death, problely
writen by someone who know him

During his brief adulthood, preaching his word, he is 'claimed' to have
restored site to a few of the blind, restored mobility to a few of the
crippled and restored health to a few of the sick. Why was he so niggardly
about helping the poor, the disabled and the sick? Is this the likely
conduct of an all loving God creator?

Jesus didn't negglect the poor. Read the Gosples

After the brief period of time he preached, it only reached a very small
part of the world's population. He did not avail himself of any
communication means as effective as Radio, TV, Telephone or the Internet. He
then allowed himself to be painfully and brutally crucified on a cross
between two criminals to pay for man's sins (which he created). If he died
on the cross to save mankind, why was mankind no better off after this
supposed crucifixion than before? Was all this blood and gore for nothing?!

No when God died for us he then gave everlating live to those who
follow him

The Roman courts were models of order and fairness. A man was not condemned
without a trial; he was not handed to the executioner before being found
guilty. And yet we are asked to believe that an innocent man was brought
before a Roman court, where Pontius Pilate was Judge; that no charge of
wrongdoing having been brought against him, the Judge declared that he found
him innocent; but the mob shouted, "Crucify him; crucify him!" and to please
the rabble, Pilate commanded that the man whom he had found innocent, should
be delivered to the executioners to be crucified! Also, real criminals were
crucified by being 'tied' to the cross - not nailed! What was the purpose of
all this blood and gore? Why should any REAL god need to suffer for man's
sins??? (which god created)

Pilate Crucified Jesus because he wanted the crowed to like him, and
God died for us because he loves us

Why was his life and crucifixion not in any of the numerous historical
documents of the time??? Why is this only in church documents?

I have a book of history and in it, it has the life of Jesus and people
of other religions

If Jesus performed the wonderful miracles the New Testament describes, why
did the people want him crucified? Is it not amazing that a civilized people
would demand that a kind and loving man who went about doing good works, who
preached forgiveness, cleansed the leprous, and raised the dead - that they
could not be appeased until they had brutally crucified the noblest
benefactor of mankind? This makes NO sense at all!

Yes it dose, they believe he was a blasfemer and a demon who was trying
to turn them away from God.

If he could create the Universe and every thing in it, (including sin) why
did he not just forgive man's sins, directly from his heaven, without all
this blood and gore? Three days after he died he supposedly rose from the
dead and returned to his heaven. Why did he wait uncomfortably in a crypt
for three days after his death and internment to return to his magnificent
heaven? Why did he wait 30 years!? How can an immortal god die? Jesus did
not die for our sins. People are still praying to him in his supposed
heaven!

People have to earn the kingdom of heaven

What was the logic and purpose of this gruesome and painful killing? Only a
miniscule part of the world's population at the time would be aware of this
claimed sacrifice.

Billions of people today are still not knowledgeable believers of this
highly implausible story. Why did he not preserve a video tape, DVD or other
permanent record of this historic episode? If man is capable of these
devices certainly a god creator should be equally or more proficient.

The holy land was where the Jewish people where and It would make no
sence if he went to ceiltic Ireland claiming to be the a jew

Why did he not leave any 'authenticated' documents accurately substantiating
his appearance? Why has he failed to communicate further for over 2,000
years?

Again the faith of the people is important

Why does he encourage or permit Christians to drink his blood and eat his
flesh? Isn't this a pagan ritual?

It represents him giving himself to us

Why does he continue to allow thousands of greedy self serving men to
deliver his word to his flock in such a vague, inconsistent, contradictory,
and ineffectual manner? There are hundreds of different Christian sects and
beliefs. There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs and
practices. Why does he allow this gross confusion? Why does he not
communicate clearly and DIRECTLY to his entire flock that he is the real god
and all the others are fakes? It would be more responsible and more
effective to eliminate this gross confusion?

A priest once told me that God dose not directly interfer with the
world, he wan't only the faithful and worthy to enter the kingdom
My friend you should not let ingnorence of the Bible get in the way of
your believes
I'm sorry if some of my answers get a bit short and odd but I was
feeling rather tired about half way thought.
.
User: "Bible Believer"

Title: Re: Standing up for God 17 Jan 2007 11:07:07 AM
On 16 Jan 2007 12:27:01 -0800, "Dr. Egan"
<macaeagan@gmail.com> claimed:

I will try to answer all these questions to the best of my ablity.
And forgive me for any spelling or Grammar mistakes

No problem. :) And so you know, I am a Christian
and I am not trying to harass you with these questions.
I will however, offer a few spelling notes if necessary,
in the spirit of friendship.

The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds
of men of unknown veracity and honesty over a time span
of several thousands years. There are NO ORIGINALS IN
EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what
the originals said.


Answer: This is untrue, a number of copys of original copys
of the new testement are still here.

FYI, that's "copies".
Normally, one would say that an "original copy"
is an oxymoron.
However, it could be the first copy made. But how
does that refute the idea that there are no originals
in existence?
Besides this, there are no "first copies" that we have
found yet, although we have gotten pretty close and
if people knew what a copy was back then, they would
not be saying what they're saying today.
You see, today, a copy is not to be trusted. It could be
very, very badly done and way wrong! :) But in those
times, you hired a scribe and they would spend months
or years if necessary, to ensure its accuracy. They
would even go so far as to count the letters and review
it forward and backwards, to make sure it was accurate!
I.e., In those days, a certified copy was considered as
good as the original and they did not have the great
love of originals that we have today. They did not
place the same value on them that we do today and
they did not save them for later sale as a valuable item
the way that we do today. So for people today to say
that because it is not an original and therefore is not
worthy of trust, is simply ridiculous and shows their
great ignorance of those times and I believe that it is
intentional, since even after being educated about this,
they still make the same argument! (:

The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths,
fables, contradictions and impossible tales. There are
18 different versions alone of the English Bible
interpretations.


Answer: The first books of the Bible is storys past down,
The new testement was writen 37 years after the death
of Jesus, problably writen by men who know Jesus.

That would be, "stories" and "probably" and "written".
This statement of theirs alone shows their ignorance!
A "version" is not just a different translation.
Furthermore, having different translations does not
mean that the Hebrew and Greek texts used are not
trustworthy. That is a ridiculous insinuation and a
very weak argument!
Also, they claim "contradictions". However, what they
really mean, is that they copy and paste from atheist
web pages, which were put up by people who did
no more research than copying it from other atheist
web pages. And when the first list that they paste in
is refuted, which I have done many times, they don't
acknowledge it. They just copy and paste more in.
And when those are refuted and so and so on, they
don't ever acknowledge it and eventually, they run
away and go to a new thread and start all over again,
with the same refuted supposed contradictions and
pretend that they're all new and that they're some
great wealth of new information, that Christians
have never seen before! <chuckle>

According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the
heavens, the earth and everything in it in six days.
Adam, the original man was created during this time
from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of
Adam's RIBS.


Answer:I wouldn't read too deeply into that story,
but it's as posible as any other theory of Creation,
the big bang for example, what came before that,
and before that? tell me.

It is the truth and it is what the Bible says! There is
(contrary to those who say their Christians and wish
to compromise the word of God say) no way that it
can be read any other way!
It says very clearly, "and the evening and the morning
were the 'X' day".
Also, the Hebrew word for day ("yom") is never used
in the Bible to mean anything other than a normal
24 hour day, when a numeric adjective is present
(first, second, etc.).
And Christians who claim that these days are more
than a normal day, because they *THINK* that
"science says so", when in reality, science is a method,
not a conclusion and that conclusion of theirs cannot
be proved and I have debunked their claims many
times, are simply not thinking about what their saying.
Let me ask you, how is it that we can believe that Jesus
turned water into wine in seconds, when it takes weeks
to do it and yet, He can't create the universe in less than
billions of years?!? Hello?!?
What God did, was to speed up the process. Who is it
that says that God cannot do something faster? Didn't
He prove that He could, over and over again?!? Did
Jesus heal people and tell them; "Listen, you go to
the doctor and see him and in a couple of weeks,
you'll be 'healed' and be alright."??? Or did He heal
them instantly? If He did (and we both know He did),
then there is no reason whatsoever, to think that the
universe was not created in six days. No reason at all!
We should always keep in mind that these people who
claim otherwise, are basing their assertions on a thing
called "materialism". This all came about from people
who wished to deny God exists and claim that it was
all done by itself. I.e., there was nothingness and now
here we are! Huh?!? (:
Is this the word we are to trust?!?

According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent
God supposedly created this huge complex Universe
in six days!


Answer:If God is all powerful, why couldn't he?

Amen!
I will stop here, as this could go all day! <lol> :)
--
The Bible is the inerrant word of the living God!
If you don't believe the Bible, don't tell me that
you are a Christian. I won't believe you. To make
that claim, is to be a heretic who does not know God.
.
User: "Eugene Griessel"

Title: Re: Standing up for God 17 Jan 2007 08:49:14 AM
Bible Believer <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
<snip>

You see, today, a copy is not to be trusted. It could be
very, very badly done and way wrong! :) But in those
times, you hired a scribe and they would spend months
or years if necessary, to ensure its accuracy. They
would even go so far as to count the letters and review
it forward and backwards, to make sure it was accurate!

Proof for this extraordinary statement?

Also, they claim "contradictions". However, what they
really mean, is that they copy and paste from atheist

And this nullifies the major discrepancies between Matthew and Luke's
genealogies? Why no try and refute that instead of making wild
insinuations.
While you are on the subject try and explain the major discrepancies
betwee the order of creation in Genesis one and two.
Eugene L Griessel
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.
.


User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Standing up for God 16 Jan 2007 03:22:31 PM
On 16 Jan 2007 12:27:01 -0800, "Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1168979221.119749.209560@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

I will try to answer all these questions to the best of my ablity. And
forgive me for any spelling or Grammar mistakes

I'll forgive grammar errors, but not fabrications.

The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of unknown
veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years. There are
NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the originals said.


Answer: This is untrue, a number of copys of original copys of the new
testement are still here.

That is an outright and utter LIE!
Or are you so completely ignorant that you somehow think that is true?
It should not be hard to tell me where these copies of the originals
resides.
(As thought there ever was such a single thing as an original NT
(singular), which there was not.)
:
--
.

User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Standing up for God 17 Jan 2007 01:45:02 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:

The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of
unknown veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands
years. There are NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals
were have rotted and disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't
know what the originals said.


Answer: This is untrue, a number of copys of original copys of the new
testement are still here.

Bwaaaahahahaha!
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page.
Don’t be afraid. The lack of a deity is not an opening for chaos. It is a
call for responsibility. -Lauren Becker
.

User: "Dr. Egan"

Title: God 16 Jan 2007 02:34:51 PM
Please do not bring up the view of God as a murder again please, my
main devotion is to the New Testement and as far as I know God didn't
murder anyone anyway.
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: God 16 Jan 2007 04:23:05 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> writes:

Please do not bring up the view of God as a murder again please, my
main devotion is to the New Testement and as far as I know God didn't
murder anyone anyway.

....except everyone in the world but Noah and his "crew", if you believe that
fairy tale about the flood.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 6, Houston 0 (January 14)
NEXT GAME: Friday, January 19 vs. Manchester, 7:35
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: God 16 Jan 2007 02:43:34 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168979690.978706.309430@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

Please do not bring up the view of God as a murder again please, my
main devotion is to the New Testement and as far as I know God didn't
murder anyone anyway.

No one died during the biblical flood, eh?
That's not what my bible says.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Dr. Egan"

Title: Answer 16 Jan 2007 02:41:12 PM
God did not kill them people for no reason, if you read it it says
everyone except Noah was evil. And anyway don't read too deeply into
genuis.
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Answer 16 Jan 2007 04:24:18 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> writes:

God did not kill them people for no reason, if you read it it says
everyone except Noah was evil. And anyway don't read too deeply into
genuis.

Sounds like the typical excuse of a murderer...and you obviously don't read
*anything* too deeply.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 6, Houston 0 (January 14)
NEXT GAME: Friday, January 19 vs. Manchester, 7:35
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Answer 16 Jan 2007 03:23:33 PM
"Dr. Egan" <macaeagan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168980072.730684.317170@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


God did not kill them people for no reason, if you read it it says
everyone except Noah was evil.

So, your god killed them because they turned out evil - Obvious that's the
way he wanted them, no?
And anyway don't read too deeply into

genuis.

What "genius"?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.

User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: Answer 16 Jan 2007 04:15:19 PM
Dr. Egan skrev:

God did not kill them people for no reason, if you read it it says
everyone except Noah was evil.

What exactly did the babies do?

And anyway don't read too deeply into
genuis.

Please don't post such nonsense.
.

User: "JessHC"

Title: Re: Answer 16 Jan 2007 04:34:24 PM
Dr. Egan wrote:

God did not kill them people for no reason, if you read it it says
everyone except Noah was evil. And anyway don't read too deeply into
genuis.

So it isn't murder if you decide they're evil?
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Answer 17 Jan 2007 05:10:07 AM
JessHC <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Dr. Egan wrote:

God did not kill them people for no reason, if you read it it says
everyone except Noah was evil. And anyway don't read too deeply into
genuis.

So it isn't murder if you decide they're evil?

He just declared war on them, then murder is okay.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.


User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Answer 17 Jan 2007 07:59:55 AM
On 16 Jan 2007 12:41:12 -0800 there was an Ancient "Dr. Egan"
<macaeagan@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism


God did not kill them people for no reason, if you read it it says
everyone except Noah was evil. And anyway don't read too deeply into
genuis.

And according to the Bible, God created all the evil in the world.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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