raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message news:<me7g20186uf94qilh0ema36et8ejotoaq5@4ax.com>...

On 9 Feb 2004 15:47:19 -0800,
AtheitsAreTrueBelievers@linkedto.voteprivacy.com (Granny4364) wrote:

Something far beyond our
intelligence, our ability to grasp or fathom, had to have brought all
this into existence. How could it be otherwise is a very fair
question.

And the fallacy of Argument from Personal Incredulity.

Dear child, merely identifying, by popular or one's own personal
label, what one perceives as a fallacious argument or untenable
position, is not at all the same as actually refuting that argument. I
am so sorry you are not intellectually equipped to deal with this at
any length beyond the doltish blurb you offered. Perhaps next time,
little boy. (Granny)

raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message news:<me7g20186uf94qilh0ema36et8ejotoaq5@4ax.com>...

On 9 Feb 2004 15:47:19 -0800,
AtheitsAreTrueBelievers@linkedto.voteprivacy.com (Granny4364) wrote:

Something far beyond our
intelligence, our ability to grasp or fathom, had to have brought all
this into existence. How could it be otherwise is a very fair
question.

And the fallacy of Argument from Personal Incredulity.

Dear child, merely identifying, by popular or one's own personal
label, what one perceives as a fallacious argument or untenable
position, is not at all the same as actually refuting that argument.

I
am so sorry you are not intellectually equipped to deal with this at
any length beyond the doltish blurb you offered. Perhaps next time,
little boy. (Granny)

raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message news:<me7g20186uf94qilh0ema36et8ejotoaq5@4ax.com>...

On 9 Feb 2004 15:47:19 -0800,
AtheitsAreTrueBelievers@linkedto.voteprivacy.com (Granny4364) wrote:

Something far beyond our
intelligence, our ability to grasp or fathom, had to have brought all
this into existence. How could it be otherwise is a very fair
question.

And the fallacy of Argument from Personal Incredulity.

Dear child,

merely identifying, by popular or one's own personal
label,

what one perceives as a fallacious argument or untenable
position, is not at all the same as actually refuting that argument.

am so sorry you are not intellectually equipped to deal with this at
any length beyond the doltish blurb you offered.

Arjen Klaver <chips@stack.nl> wrote in message

(snip)

How did you make the huge step that there is a god that started
everything, and that this god is exactly the same as the one in the

That you call that thing god and that name is also written in the bible
doesn't make them the same.

If allah was the real god how would the universe look like? You need to
answer this question, if you believe in creationism by the xtian god.

Greetings,

Arjen Klaver

I am a Deist and do not accept the Bible as even accurate history,
much less the revealed word of God. I am a Deist. One needn't be an
adherent to any organized religion to believe in God. I hope we have
that cleared up beause this is the atheists' favorite straw man.
(Granny)

I am a Deist and do not accept the Bible as even accurate history,
much less the revealed word of God. I am a Deist. One needn't be an
adherent to any organized religion to believe in God. I hope we have
that cleared up beause this is the atheists' favorite straw man.
(Granny)

Dear Granny:

I am a senior in high school and I need your advice on what my father
told me yesterday. When I asked him how the whole universe was
created, he told me it wasn't created and that it just is. Well, I got
to thinking, if it just *is,* and didn't need something or someone to
create it, then how come when we dig up ancient ruins we can't say the
same thing? Like, they just *are* and nobody or nothing created them?
Wouldn't that make as much sense? Isn't the universe, and everything
that's in it, infinitely more complex than anything we dig up made by
man? Like, you know, an atomic reactor couldn't just be an accident,
right? Someone with great intelligence would have to design and build
such a thing, forget about actually making the natural elements from
which to fashion it. So why can't we look at, say, a skyscraper and
assert that it, too, is an accident - that it just *is?*

Well, when I asked him these things, he got very angry at me,
muttering something about the old design argument or something. Did I
do something wrong?

Sincerely, Stumped in Steubenville


Dear Stumped in Steubenville:

Did you do something wrong? I'll say! Your father got angry because
you challenged accepted atheistic dogma, his own sort of religion. He
also got angry because he couldn't actually offer any meaningful
comments beyond putting a label on the argument as opposed to actually
refuting the argument. Christians also blindly cling to certain
beliefs like this, too. I'll bet your dad thinks Christians are dumb
and he's a genius, huh?

Oh, and don't ask your father any more of these questions, especially
seeing as how he's such a brilliant atheist. They don't make
arguments themselves; they just demand them from others.

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Dear Granny:

I am in the ninth grade and attend a Catholic school. A bratty little
neighbor girl told me that religion isn't necessary for someone to act
morally and be a good person. I then asked her, "If you don't get your
notions of what's right and wrong from the bible, then where do you
get them from?" I then asked her who *her* authority was for what good
and evil or right and wrong is.

When she couldn't answer me, she got mad and called ma a nutjob. Do
you think I am a nutjob, Dear Granny?

Sincerely,
Not A Nutjob In Norwich

Dear Not A Nutjob In Norwich:

Nutjob, indeed! You sound pretty normal to me, atually pretty bright
for a ninth grader. But then you attend a Catholic school, so you do
have a great advantage here. Public school kids are rather slow as you
know.

I believe your bratty neighbor girl got mad because she didn't want to
admit that she doesn't know where her notions of right and wrong come
from. And if you asked her parents, they'd probably mumble something
goofy about ethics and such. If this girl comes back at you with the
ethics dodge, ask her, "Whose ethics?" Ask her where those came from.
And then ask again where those in turn came from.

You see, dear girl, we all have our own little Gods, now don't we?
Even bratty little neighbors who claim not to have any.

Sincerely,

Dear Granny

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Dear Granny:

We cannot afford to send our youngest child to a parochial school like
our two other children, so we will have to put him in 1st grade in a
public school (ugh!) this fall. The problem is he often says things
like, "Holy Smokes," "Jesus, Joseph and Mary," and "I hope to God..."
As you know, Dear Granny, this will get him in deep trouble in a
public school these days. After all, they do have their standards.
Unfortunately, we didn't figure on sending Timmy to a public school,
otherwise we would have taught him rap lyrics and such.

How do we deal with this since he's likely to be kicked out of this
school on the first day because of some Motzah Ball kid with an ACLU
lawyer father ratting him out and suing the entire universe? Sheesh,
maybe even a parallel universe as well if Harvey, Esq. (the rat fink
kid's father) can serve papers!

Sincerely,
Plagued Parent In Pensacola


Dear Plagued Parent In Pensacola:

I really feel sorry for you, dear, because there is no solution to
your problem short of receiving reimbursement for property and school
taxes being squandered to build and maintain these zoos. In the
meantime, consider home schooling or selling your house so you don't
have to send your child to an insane asylum masquerading as a public
school.

SIncerely,
Dear Granny

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Dear Granny:

I am 14 years old and my sister, who is seventeen, got pregnant. And
she didn't even tell our parents until she was six months along. She
is kind of heavy so nobody could really tell. Anyway, I overheard my
mom and dad talking about sending her to some sort of clinic to get an
abortion next week.

Well, Dear Granny, we are a family that loves the environment and all
sorts of animals and stuff and we have a 10 day, "Save The Whales"
excursion coming up right at that same time. Don't you agree that my
sister is being selfish for not wanting to postpone her abortion so we
won't all miss this opportunity to save the whales?

Sincerely,
Whale Watcher in Waterton


Dear Whale Watcher in Waterton:

Selfish? I should say so! As you know our environment is fragile and
needs good families like yours to protect it, especially the
endangered whales. You should tell your sister that her baby can be
ki, er, aborted any time but the whales can't wait. Also, young lady,
if *you* get pregnant in the next year or so, use some judgment and
make sure it's not during whale watching season!

Sincerely,
Dear Granny

Arjen Klaver <chips@stack.nl> wrote in message
news:<Xns948BCE4615044chipsstacknl@194.134.2.2>...

(snip)

How did you make the huge step that there is a god that started
everything, and that this god is exactly the same as the one in the
bible? That you call that thing god and that name is also written in
the bible doesn't make them the same.

If allah was the real god how would the universe look like? You need
to answer this question, if you believe in creationism by the xtian
god.

Greetings,

Arjen Klaver

I am a Deist and do not accept the Bible as even accurate history,
much less the revealed word of God. I am a Deist. One needn't be an
adherent to any organized religion to believe in God. I hope we have
that cleared up beause this is the atheists' favorite straw man.
(Granny)

I personally believe there is a God and that His creation is entirely
consistent with both evolution and every scientific advance/discovery
since the dawn of time.