See how hard these *moonies* try to prop up thier
Master Moon? They simply won't let people be! Then they claim
"my opinion don't matter to them", as they try to convince
you with every distorted image they can think to tell about *me*!


Yeah RIGHT, who ya gonna believe, some whacked out *moonie*?

"You will be assimilated", Moon has already said as much
in so many ways. Read Moon's speeches for yourself at..

www.tparents.org

..if ya don't believe the quotes I'm leaving. The evidence is
ALL there as plain as day!

Quotes by Rev Sun Myung Moon:

-----------

"The whole world is in my hand, I will conquer and subjugate the
world."
(Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks, May 17, 1973)

"Am I foolish and insignificant or am I great? I gave all individuals
in the world cause to kneel down in front of me." (Sun Myung Moon,
Today's World, March 1995, p. 6)

"So from this time of peak every person or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die, those who do against our
movement." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks, February 14, 1974)

"Any politician who wants to run for president will come to me in a few
years." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, Nov./Dec. 1994, p.19

Josef Oswald wrote:

Earth-Date: 2005-10-12
in MSG-id: <1129146097.071330.238670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>

See what I mean? They are trying to "assimilate"
*me*,

Nay Bruce, _you_ as _person_ are NOT that important, I only reply to
the _lies_ you spread and for which _you_ never ever come up with
evidence.

Proof for this is the fact that you cut the whole reply by me,
because it show how wrong you are about the aims of Rev.Moon.


Just in any case one missed it:

Your claim was: "YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED"

Seen to many Star-trek episodes with the "Borgs" in them Bruce?

You see Bruce, the DP or Rev.Moon doesn't teach about a _universal_
consciousness in which all people would be assimilated, but rather
that _each_ individual as a "individual truth body" expressing _ONE_
UNIQUE ASPECT of God.

Maybe you never really understood the teachings of a movement to which
you belonged for such a long time....

http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-7.html#Sec2_2

[.....]

Suppose there is a perfect machine, whose every part is the only one of its
kind in the world, and there is no way to either procure or make a
replacement for any of them. No matter how small or insignificant a single
part may be, its value is then the same as that of the whole
machine. Similarly, a fully mature person is unique in all the universe. No
matter how insignificant he may seem, his value is equivalent to that of
the entire cosmos.

[.....]

Let us compare the value of Jesus with that of a person of perfect
individual character. With respect to the purpose of creation, a fully
mature person is perfect as God is perfect.11(Matt. 5:48)RS|KJ|NI Having
the same divine nature as God, he is infinitely precious. Since God is an
eternal being, a person created to become His incarnate object partner in
perfection must have an eternal life. A fully mature person is *unique* in
all the cosmos. Furthermore, since he is the lord of the entire natural
world, which cannot realize its full value without him, he possesses the
value of the cosmos.


There is no greater value than that of a person who has realized the ideal
of creation. This is the value of Jesus, who surely attained the highest
imaginable value. The conventional Christian belief in Jesus' divinity is
well founded because, as a perfect human being, Jesus is totally one with
God. To assert that Jesus is none other than a man who has completed the
purpose of creation does not degrade the value of Jesus in the least. In
fact, the Principle of Creation elevates the true value of all people who
fulfill the purpose of creation to a level comparable to Jesus.

</unquote>


Anyway since I'm a nice guy and always eager to help, here is the relevant
section of the DP, explaining the Position of human beings in the cosmos:
(emphasis added by me; Josef)

http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-1.html#Sec6_2

6.2 The Position of Human Beings in the Cosmos

The position of human beings in the cosmos has three aspects. First, God
created *human beings* to be *the rulers* of the universe.25 (Gen.
1:28)RS|KJ|NI
The universe does not of itself have internal sensibility toward
God. Hence, God does not govern the universe directly. Rather, God endowed
*human beings with sensibilities* to all things in the universe and gave
them
*the mandate to rule* over *the universe* directly. God created the human
body
with elements from the physical world - such as water, clay and air - to
allow us to perceive and govern it. To make it possible for us to perceive
and govern the spirit world, God created our spirits with the same
spiritual elements that compose the spirit world. On the Mount of
Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah, who had died hundreds of years earlier,
appeared before Jesus and ministered to him.(Matt. 17:3) RS|KJ|NI These
were actually the spirits of Moses and Elijah, yet Jesus was able to
converse with them and was glorified before them. Human beings, composed of
flesh which can dominate the physical world and spirit which can dominate
the spiritual world, likewise have the potential to rule both worlds.

Second, God created human beings to be the *mediator and the center* of
*harmony of the cosmos*. When a person's flesh and spirit unite through give
and take action and become God's substantial object partner, the physical
and spiritual worlds can also begin give and take action with that person
as their center. They thus achieve harmonious integration to construct a
cosmos that is responsive to God. Like the air that enables two tuning
forks to resonate with each other, a true person acts as the mediator and
center of harmony between the two worlds. The ability to communicate
between the two worlds also may be likened to a radio or television which
transforms invisible waves into perceptible images and sounds. Thus, a
person can accurately convey the realities of the spirit world to the
physical world.

Third, God created human beings to encapsulate in a substantial form the
essences of everything in the cosmos. God created the universe by
projecting and developing the pre-existent prototype of the human internal
nature and external form into countless substantial forms. The human spirit
encapsulates all of the elements found in the spirit world, since God
created the spirit world as the unfolding of the spirit's internal nature
and external form. The human body encapsulates all the elements of the
physical world, since God created the material realm as the unfolding of
the body's internal nature and external form. Accordingly, since human
beings contain within themselves the essences of all things in the cosmos,
each person is a microcosm.

</unquote>

HTH :-)

If Sun Myung Moon has done, and said "ALL" that he claims,

www.tparents.org

Thanks Bruce for posting the link, so that others can find it too..

-Smile-

IMON
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
--
Nuclear explosions under the Nevada desert?
What the ***** are we testing for?
We already know the ***** blows up.
-- Frank Zappa

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:19:43 -0700, gigo448 wrote:

<snip>

www.tparents.org

..if ya don't believe the quotes I'm leaving. The evidence is ALL there as
plain as day!

Quotes by Rev Sun Myung Moon:

Notice Bruce that Rev.Moon is a Korean so what you quote here is _not_ his
words but those of the person translating it.

"The whole world is in my hand, I will conquer and subjugate the world."
(Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks, May 17, 1973)

So typical just take a singe sentence and construct a whole conspiracy
theory around it.

Have you ever bothered to read the whole passage:

http://www.tparents.org/Moon-Talks/sunmyungmoon73/SM730517.htm

In context this section reads:

[....]

Are you better than Jesus? You must be better than him. Yes, you must be
confident that you can do better things and you can be better than Jesus,
because Jesus died and could save the world only on the spiritual
level. But you are going to save the world both on the spiritual level and
physical level. You must be confident that you are better than Jesus. The
whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the world. I
will go beyond the boundary of the U. S., opening up the toll gate,
reaching out to the end of the world. I will go forward, piercing through
everything. Are you with that attitude? With that zeal and courage? Are you
not scared? You must be with strength here. Unless you are like that, you
cannot go over or win in the judgment of personality.

</unquote>

Now lets say that those words are accurately translated, then I get the
impression Rev.Moon here is speaking about the _attitude_ of members, more
then of _himself_. Members who should go out into the world and save it.
And that they should have this attitude.

Who knows if Bruce _ever_ read the whole speech, and all he has is the
snippet he has picked up someplace else.
In the same light one should see all the "quotes" he put before us.

"Am I foolish and insignificant or am I great? I gave all individuals in
the world cause to kneel down in front of me." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's
World, March 1995, p. 6)

So Bruce you have that issue of Today world or are you just restating what
some-else claimed Rev.Moon has said? But if you do have it/them why don't
make a copy and sent it to me?

Let's recall through the second coming of Christ, the salvation-work Jesus
began could finally be completed, those of us who able to enter heaven,
might really have a reason to thank Rev.Moon on their knees, just like I
thank Jesus on my knees for what HE has done.

"So from this time of peak every person or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die, those who do against our
movement." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks, February 14, 1974)

A obscure quote, comparable to Jesus words that the stone will crush all
those on whom it fell, (in the context of rejection of Jesus by the Jews).

BTW, Bruce _all_ people will have to die eventually anyway. And Rev.Moon
certainly isn't saying one should go out and kill the enemy....

"Any politician who wants to run for president will come to me in a few
years." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, Nov./Dec. 1994, p.19

Well if the second coming of Christ is that important then people should
listen to him...

Again Bruce if you have a copy of "Today's World" then send it to me.

-Smile-



Josef Oswald