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10 Jun 2006 07:18:37 PM |
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Young Must See In The Church A Friend, Pope Says |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Catholic News Agency ^ | June 6, 2006
Posted on 06/06/2006 1:41:28 PM PDT by NYer
Vatican City, Jun. 06, 2006 (CNA) - The Church and its teaching must be
presented to the youth as a friend and not as an obstacle to their
freedom, Pope Benedict XVI said yesterday evening at the Basilica of
St. John Lateran in Rome.
The Holy Father inaugurated the diocesan ecclesial congress on Tuesday,
which is being held from June 5 to 8 on the theme: "The joy of faith
and the education of new generations."
"Educating new generations in the faith is a great and fundamentally
important task that involves the entire Christian community," one
that has become "particularly difficult" today and, hence, is
"even more important and urgent," the Pope said.
According to the Pontiff, the new generations must experience that the
Church "is a company of friends, one that is truly trustworthy and
remains close in all the moments and circumstances of life and that
will never abandon us even in death, because it carries in itself the
promise of eternity."
Young people and adolescents, the Pope went on, "must be disabused of
the widespread prejudice that Christianity, with its commandments and
its prohibitions, places too many obstacles to the joy of love, and in
particular that it prevents the full enjoyment of the happiness that
man and woman find in their mutual love."
"The Ten Commandments are not a series of 'No', but a big 'Yes' to
love and to life," the Pontiff stated.
"Human love," he continued, "must be purified, it must mature
and go beyond its own limits in order to become truly human, to be the
origin of true and lasting joy, to respond to that demand for eternity
it carries within itself and which it cannot relinquish without
betraying itself."
Benedict XVI insisted that the issue of truth "must occupy a central
position." In the faith, he said, "we welcome and accept the Truth
that our minds cannot fully understand, that they cannot posses." This
"enables us to arrive at the Mystery in which we are immersed and to
rediscover in God the definitive meaning of our existence."
"In the extent to which we nourish ourselves from Christ and love
Him, we also feel within ourselves the stimulus to bring others to
Him".
"Indeed," he continued, "we cannot keep the joy of the faith to
ourselves, we must transmit it."
"This need becomes even stronger and more impelling in the presence
of that strange forgetfulness of God that exists today in vast areas of
the world," he said in conclusion.
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10 Jun 2006 08:09:47 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote
Young people and adolescents, the Pope went on, "must be disabused of
the widespread prejudice that Christianity, with its commandments and
its prohibitions, places too many obstacles to the joy of love, and in
particular that it prevents the full enjoyment of the happiness that
man and woman find in their mutual love."
The problem is that the church makes extraordinary demands of young people
in the area of sexuality, without acknowledging that it does so, and without
providing the least help or support.
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$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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10 Jun 2006 08:18:33 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:QIudna28GenF8BbZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d@bt.com...
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote
Young people and adolescents, the Pope went on, "must be disabused of
the widespread prejudice that Christianity, with its commandments and
its prohibitions, places too many obstacles to the joy of love, and in
particular that it prevents the full enjoyment of the happiness that
man and woman find in their mutual love."
The problem is that the church makes extraordinary demands of young people
in the area of sexuality, without acknowledging that it does so, and
without
providing the least help or support.
Isn't that why kids have parents?
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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11 Jun 2006 03:20:25 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote
Young people and adolescents, the Pope went on, "must be disabused of
the widespread prejudice that Christianity, with its commandments and
its prohibitions, places too many obstacles to the joy of love, and in
particular that it prevents the full enjoyment of the happiness that
man and woman find in their mutual love."
The problem is that the church makes extraordinary demands of young
people
in the area of sexuality, without acknowledging that it does so, and
without
providing the least help or support.
Isn't that why kids have parents?
Sadly few parents have the confidence to say that "pre-marital sex isn't
acceptable".
For instance a Catholic man of my acquaintance told the girlfriend of his
son that he didn't wnat any ilegitmate babies on the scene, so they must use
contracpetion. He was a weekly massgoer and member of out prayer group, in
other words a committed Catholic.
The church really needs to step in and make sure that young Catholics are
given a realistic environment in which they can adhere to her teachings.
Soldiers will quite often try to knock out enemy tanks with petrol bombs,
but only if you tell them that what they are doing is something brave and
special.
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| User: "Adam H" |
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10 Jun 2006 08:32:26 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:18:33 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:QIudna28GenF8BbZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d@bt.com...
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote
Young people and adolescents, the Pope went on, "must be disabused of
the widespread prejudice that Christianity, with its commandments and
its prohibitions, places too many obstacles to the joy of love, and in
particular that it prevents the full enjoyment of the happiness that
man and woman find in their mutual love."
The problem is that the church makes extraordinary demands of young people
in the area of sexuality, without acknowledging that it does so, and
without
providing the least help or support.
Isn't that why kids have parents?
If you want to hold TV networks responsible for what parents let their
kids see why are you giving churches a free pass for what they tell
kids?
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I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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10 Jun 2006 10:27:09 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (youngopinions@aol.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:QIudna28GenF8BbZnZ2dnUVZ8tKdnZ2d@bt.com...
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote
Young people and adolescents, the Pope went on, "must be disabused
of the widespread prejudice that Christianity, with its
commandments and its prohibitions, places too many obstacles to the
joy of love, and in particular that it prevents the full enjoyment
of the happiness that man and woman find in their mutual love."
The problem is that the church makes extraordinary demands of young
people in the area of sexuality, without acknowledging that it does
so, and
without
providing the least help or support.
Isn't that why kids have parents?
I thought it was the other way around...
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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11 Jun 2006 12:56:56 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1149985117.366970.236950@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Catholic News Agency ^ | June 6, 2006
Posted on 06/06/2006 1:41:28 PM PDT by NYer
Vatican City, Jun. 06, 2006 (CNA) - The Church and its teaching must
be
presented to the youth as a friend and not as an obstacle to their
freedom, Pope Benedict XVI said yesterday evening at the Basilica of
St. John Lateran in Rome.
yeah right, while they have hatred of pleasure and self loathing
drilled into their heads.
The Holy Father inaugurated the diocesan ecclesial congress on
Tuesday,
which is being held from June 5 to 8 on the theme: "The joy of faith
and the education of new generations."
remember, when christians talk about "education", it has absolutely
nothing to do with education.
"Educating new generations in the faith is a great and fundamentally
important task that involves the entire Christian community," one
that has become "particularly difficult" today and, hence, is
"even more important and urgent," the Pope said.
he wants to teach the young impressionable minds all his hocus pocus
gobbledygook, but he cannot because the young are starting to realize,
in increasing numbers, that religion is a bunch of nonsense.
According to the Pontiff, the new generations must experience that
the
Church "is a company of friends, one that is truly trustworthy and
remains close in all the moments and circumstances of life and that
will never abandon us even in death, because it carries in itself
the
promise of eternity."
it carries in itself nothing except mind control and self-loathing.
as for friends, i'm not sure if having to confess all your so-called
"sins" to some child molesting and/or sexually abstaining weirdo you
call "father" is quite what i would consider a friend.
Young people and adolescents, the Pope went on, "must be disabused
of
the widespread prejudice that Christianity, with its commandments
and
its prohibitions, places too many obstacles to the joy of love, and
in
particular that it prevents the full enjoyment of the happiness that
man and woman find in their mutual love."
haha! catch that? gay bashing by exclusion!
"The Ten Commandments are not a series of 'No', but a big 'Yes' to
love and to life," the Pontiff stated.
what part of "thou shalt not..." does pope ratzinger not understand?
"Human love," he continued, "must be purified, it must mature
and go beyond its own limits in order to become truly human, to be
the
origin of true and lasting joy, to respond to that demand for
eternity
it carries within itself and which it cannot relinquish without
betraying itself."
it must be passed through the scrutinizing filter of christianity's
bigotry. he's not advocating any change of mindset here, just trying
to justify his pre-existing prejudices and superstitious.
Benedict XVI insisted that the issue of truth "must occupy a central
position." In the faith, he said, "we welcome and accept the Truth
that our minds cannot fully understand, that they cannot posses."
This
"enables us to arrive at the Mystery in which we are immersed and to
rediscover in God the definitive meaning of our existence."
his central position is thus: "there's a god. he's our god. we're the
church. obey us or go to hell."
"In the extent to which we nourish ourselves from Christ and love
Him, we also feel within ourselves the stimulus to bring others to
Him".
in other words, keep evangelizing! we may annoy them into accepting
jeebus!
"Indeed," he continued, "we cannot keep the joy of the faith to
ourselves, we must transmit it."
how else do you deal with waning subscribers? ADVERTISING!
"This need becomes even stronger and more impelling in the presence
of that strange forgetfulness of God that exists today in vast areas
of
the world," he said in conclusion.
this is normal for religions when their life expectancy is up.
--
Contrary to what you may think, the following was /not/ a description
of christianity by an agnostic:
"We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their
kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of
the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical
visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they
follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And
they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in
history's unmarked grave of discarded lies."
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| User: "johac" |
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11 Jun 2006 02:40:11 AM |
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In article <1149985117.366970.236950@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Perhaps it would help if the church finally entered the 21st Century.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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11 Jun 2006 03:05:11 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88CBB0.00401111062006@news.giganews.com...
In article <1149985117.366970.236950@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Perhaps it would help if the church finally entered the 21st
Century.
what, by dissolving the vatican, donating the [stolen] land back to
the city of rome and having a huge bible burning party to celebrate?
actually that bible burning party doesn't sound like a bad idea. i
should put up signs, "$5 bible roast and barbecue! Our sauce is as hot
as Hell!"
--
Contrary to what you may think, the following was /not/ a description
of christianity by an agnostic:
"We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their
kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of
the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical
visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they
follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And
they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in
history's unmarked grave of discarded lies."
--
Scientists say the world can support 2 billion. The world currently
holds 6 billion. I say we start with the theists.
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| User: "johac" |
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11 Jun 2006 11:55:43 PM |
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In article <oa-dncq5Z74sUxbZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Jeff White" <mrsknickerbaiter@hasexploded.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-88CBB0.00401111062006@news.giganews.com...
In article <1149985117.366970.236950@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Perhaps it would help if the church finally entered the 21st
Century.
what, by dissolving the vatican, donating the [stolen] land back to
the city of rome and having a huge bible burning party to celebrate?
actually that bible burning party doesn't sound like a bad idea. i
should put up signs, "$5 bible roast and barbecue! Our sauce is as hot
as Hell!"
Heh! I Like it! Then they could convert the Vatican into an art museum
and show all the treasures that they have stolen over the centuries. The
proceeds from the ticket sales could go to the victims of priestly abuse.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Attila2" |
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11 Jun 2006 05:38:40 AM |
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On 10 Jun 2006 17:18:37 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1149985117.366970.236950@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
More off topic religious propagandizing.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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10 Jun 2006 10:26:05 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm) made the light shine upon us with this:
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Yup, otherwise the church has no future.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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11 Jun 2006 12:58:40 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97DECFDB5B95Cvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm) made the light shine upon us with this:
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Yup, otherwise the church has no future.
hell it's been around nearly 2 millennia! isn't it about time it died,
so the scientologists can take over?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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11 Jun 2006 12:26:58 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm) made the light shine upon us with this:
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Yup, otherwise the church has no future.
"Baliff, whack his pee-pee"!
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"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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10 Jun 2006 08:18:11 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1149985117.366970.236950@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Young must see bend over for the Church, Pope says
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
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10 Jun 2006 11:55:41 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
The church must BE a friend and not the corrupt enemy of freedom that it is.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Jun 2006 06:28:59 AM |
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In article <448ba24d$0$65429$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
The church must BE a friend and not the corrupt enemy of freedom that it is.
• Organizations that claim to have an infallible leader are somewhat
unlikely to admit mistakes.
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17 Jun 2006 04:45:16 AM |
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"•R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-1106060428590001@192.168.1.101...
In article <448ba24d$0$65429$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
The church must BE a friend and not the corrupt enemy of freedom
that it is.
• Organizations that claim to have an infallible leader are
somewhat
unlikely to admit mistakes.
haha that sounds like the GOP. (funny, it also sounds like the
democrats too.)
--
Contrary to what you may think, the following was /not/ a description
of christianity by an agnostic:
"We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their
kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of
the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical
visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they
follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And
they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in
history's unmarked grave of discarded lies."
--
Scientists say the world can support 2 billion. The world currently
holds 6 billion. I say we start with the theists.
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10 Jun 2006 11:06:03 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Catholic News Agency ^ | June 6, 2006
Posted on 06/06/2006 1:41:28 PM PDT by NYer
Vatican City, Jun. 06, 2006 (CNA) - The Church and its teaching must be
presented to the youth as a friend and not as an obstacle to their
freedom, Pope Benedict XVI said yesterday evening at the Basilica of
St. John Lateran in Rome.
But what if, in fact, the Church is an obstacle to young people?
Colin Day aa #1500
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11 Jun 2006 01:02:11 AM |
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"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:LEMig.26666$JW5.24903@southeast.rr.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Catholic News Agency ^ | June 6, 2006
Posted on 06/06/2006 1:41:28 PM PDT by NYer
Vatican City, Jun. 06, 2006 (CNA) - The Church and its teaching
must be
presented to the youth as a friend and not as an obstacle to their
freedom, Pope Benedict XVI said yesterday evening at the Basilica
of
St. John Lateran in Rome.
But what if, in fact, the Church is an obstacle to young people?
Colin Day aa #1500
not likely: who do you think promotes unsafe sex in third world
countries?
scientists say the world can support 2 billion. the world currently
supports 6 billion. i say we start with the theists.
(i have to add that to my .sig)
--
Contrary to what you may think, the following was /not/ a description
of christianity by an agnostic:
"We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their
kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of
the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical
visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they
follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And
they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in
history's unmarked grave of discarded lies."
--
Scientists say the world can support 2 billion. The world currently
supports 6 billion. I say we start with the theists.
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11 Jun 2006 06:26:10 AM |
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In article <LEMig.26666$JW5.24903@southeast.rr.com>, Colin Day
<cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1644505/posts
Young must see in the Church a friend, not an obstacle, Pope says
Catholic News Agency ^ | June 6, 2006
Posted on 06/06/2006 1:41:28 PM PDT by NYer
Vatican City, Jun. 06, 2006 (CNA) - The Church and its teaching must be
presented to the youth as a friend and not as an obstacle to their
freedom, Pope Benedict XVI said yesterday evening at the Basilica of
St. John Lateran in Rome.
But what if, in fact, the Church is an obstacle to young people?
• Indeed, Colin. It seems a bit curious that pedophiles try to present
themselves as a friend of the youth they are trying to have sex with.
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