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"footybet" |
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07 Jan 2005 09:15:13 AM |
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your stance on "gay"? |
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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| Title: Re: your stance on "gay"? |
07 Jan 2005 10:35:49 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in
news:1105110913.505855.222530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in
confusion, and they may get confused with people of the same sex being
friends and loving them...
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Did you choose your skin color? Did you choose your eye color or your
illnesses? No.
Most Homosexuals don't choose their sexual preference anymore than most
Heterosexuals do.
There are no doubt a few experimenters out there who are trying out
various sexual practices - those are not the people I'm referring to.
What evidence is there for what I've said? Well, other animals have
Homosexual components in their populations - animals don't choose a
"lifestyle".
But the choice argument is spurious. Whether it is a choice or not,
there is one thing I can say with certainty.
Whether a person chooses to have an orgasm in the presence of someone of
the same or different sex, is the concern of the people involved and no
one else.
gater.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: your stance on "gay"? |
07 Jan 2005 05:34:33 PM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in
news:1105110913.505855.222530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
If gays choose their sexuality, so do straights.
You're wrong.
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
You're wrong.
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Not to put too fine a point on it, but who the ***** are you to be passing
judgement, when your own religion says you're prohibited from doing so?
That's a lovely glass house you live in. You shouldn't have put the rock
garden inside it, though.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: your stance on "gay"? |
07 Jan 2005 10:17:40 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105110913.505855.222530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
Fine, but you're wrong.
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
See above.
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
Again, see my first comment.
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice,
Homosexuality is not a choice.
but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Unsupported assertion.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "footybet" |
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| Title: Re: your stance on "gay"? |
07 Jan 2005 10:24:01 AM |
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but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in
confusion,
Fine, but you're wrong.
have you done research with every "gay person" to find out that I am
wrong
my assumption has not been proved, I agree
but confidence can sometimes be low in youngsters, and the quickest way
to "fit in"
may be pressuried amongst them
How do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?
do they just get a funny feeling for the same sex?
or is it easier for some people to talk to a stranger of the same sex,
to get a friendship going in the first place, before there are thoughts
of sex?
it may be different for men and women...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Jan 2005 10:27:32 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105115041.739478.216890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in
confusion,
Fine, but you're wrong.
have you done research with every "gay person" to find out that I am
wrong
my assumption has not been proved, I agree
but confidence can sometimes be low in youngsters, and the quickest way
to "fit in"
may be pressuried amongst them
So? Do you have any cites that back up your assertion that homosexuality is
a choice? Did you choose to be heterosexual? Think about it.
How do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?
What makes you think it is? Have you ever spoken to any gay people?
do they just get a funny feeling for the same sex?
or is it easier for some people to talk to a stranger of the same sex,
to get a friendship going in the first place, before there are thoughts
of sex?
it may be different for men and women...
Oy.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: your stance on "gay"? |
08 Jan 2005 10:13:21 AM |
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In our last episode
<1105115041.739478.216890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, footybet lept out
of the bushes shouting:
How do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?
What do you know about the subject at all?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 09:35:08 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:13:21 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1105115041.739478.216890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, footybet lept out
of the bushes shouting:
How do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?
What do you know about the subject at all?
It doesn't appear there's any subject the nutcase has a clue on.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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08 Jan 2005 07:47:06 AM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 08:24:01 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
have you done research with every "gay person" to find out that I am
wrong
Have you done amy research with every gay person to support your assertion? Have
you met *any* gay people who've said they weren't always gay?
I've always been gay. All the people I know you are gay say exactly the same
thing. Even as a 10 year old I remember wondering if everyone felt the same way
I did about Saturday afternoon wrestling.
but confidence can sometimes be low in youngsters, and the quickest way
to "fit in"
may be pressuried amongst them
Yeah, there's no end of peer pressure amongst youngsters to get labelled the
local "poof". They just queue up for the honour.
How do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?
Because I'm the only gay in the village and I'm telling you it's so.
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Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2005 10:22:13 AM |
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In our last episode <sqovt0tjvds7rhlb7s82dt1g8m85mpfqhn@4ax.com>, Levy
Oates lept out of the bushes shouting:
On 7 Jan 2005 08:24:01 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
have you done research with every "gay person" to find out that I am
wrong
Have you done amy research with every gay person to support your
assertion? Have you met *any* gay people who've said they weren't always
gay?
I've always been gay. All the people I know you are gay say exactly the
same thing. Even as a 10 year old I remember wondering if everyone felt
the same way I did about Saturday afternoon wrestling.
I was, for some time, quite oblivious to the reality that most other guys
weren't so fascinated by those Charles Atlas ads in the back of comic
books...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "none" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:00:32 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:22:13 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <sqovt0tjvds7rhlb7s82dt1g8m85mpfqhn@4ax.com>, Levy
Oates lept out of the bushes shouting:
I've always been gay. All the people I know you are gay say exactly the
same thing. Even as a 10 year old I remember wondering if everyone felt
the same way I did about Saturday afternoon wrestling.
I was, for some time, quite oblivious to the reality that most other guys
weren't so fascinated by those Charles Atlas ads in the back of comic
books...
as a straight male, let me just say i hope your tastes improved as you
grew older...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2005 05:09:03 PM |
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In our last episode <YIOdnWGzztMjgn3cRVn-3Q@flxtek.net>, none lept out of
the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:22:13 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <sqovt0tjvds7rhlb7s82dt1g8m85mpfqhn@4ax.com>, Levy
Oates lept out of the bushes shouting:
I've always been gay. All the people I know you are gay say exactly the
same thing. Even as a 10 year old I remember wondering if everyone felt
the same way I did about Saturday afternoon wrestling.
I was, for some time, quite oblivious to the reality that most other
guys weren't so fascinated by those Charles Atlas ads in the back of
comic books...
as a straight male, let me just say i hope your tastes improved as you
grew older...
Hey, I was raised fundamentalist in rural Texas. I could get away with
reading *comics.
(And to this *day, the way "superheros" are drawn strikes me as *seriously
homoerotic)
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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08 Jan 2005 03:13:07 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:24:01 -0800, footybet wrote:
How do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?
because i didn't choose it.
and as frigging *weird* as i am in general, if it was possible to choose
one's sexual orientation, i _certainly_ wouldn't have chosen to be
plain-vanilla straight. it's about the only trait that's spoiling my
otherwise impeccable freakazoid reputation.
besides, d'ya think i would've suffered through my hideously oversexed
teens without getting laid - knowing all the while that bisexual people
have *twice* the dating options - as a poor, single het boy if there had
been the *slightest* opportunity for me to choose otherwise? you think i
_wanted_ to wait a full quarter century to lose my virginity, just because
women found me too creepy to touch with a barge pole and *i can only get
it up for females*? i'm straight, not stupid.
believe me, if sexuality was a choice, there're *loads* of people who
wouldn't choose to be what they are. they're not all queer, either.
do they just get a funny feeling for the same sex?
well, DUH. howdidja _THINK_ it worked...?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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19 Mar 2005 03:56:23 PM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105110913.505855.222530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
Sorry, you don't get to choose your preferences. I can't choose to like
seafood, and I imagine gay people can't choose to prefer the opposite sex.
And you can't cnoose not to be a fucking bigot.
I guess we all have our unchosen crosses to bear.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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07 Jan 2005 10:15:19 PM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in news:1105110913.505855.222530
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
How nice of you to share your ignorance and prejudices with us.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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09 Jan 2005 12:55:20 PM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in news:1105110913.505855.222530
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
Time marches on . . . the meaning of a word can change.
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
Could be, but it's more likely you are completely wrong. I know several
gay people and have been in contact with hundreds. They are all as
happy, well adjusted, and good people as you'd find in heterosexual
communities. Of course, they've left behind whatever narrow minded
bigotry made their lives hell, and moved to Hillcrest, a predominantly
gay neighborhood in San Diego.
If my contacts with gays had been in other environments, where they were
living in fear, they might seem less well adjusted and happy.
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
I have a "normal trusting friendship" with my wife. I also have a sexual
relationship with her. The two are not exclusive.
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practicers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Gay is not good, it just is. People can be good or bad, accepting or
narrow and bigoted. They can be gay or straight.
Seriously, knowing how society and especially adolescents and young
adults in our society treat homosexuals, who would choose that for
themselves? I'm not surprised that so many hide in the closet, I'm
surprised so many find their way out.
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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10 Jan 2005 12:39:49 AM |
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91 posts on sexual orientation? Don't you people have anything else to
do?
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| User: "" |
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14 Jan 2005 10:09:34 PM |
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Umm...
No.
Kermit
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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07 Jan 2005 10:31:55 AM |
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In article <1105110913.505855.222530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
footybet <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
false sexual relationship
What exactly does this mean?
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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07 Jan 2005 10:40:12 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:31:55 GMT in alt.atheism, GlennGlenn
(GlennGlenn <dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
In article <1105110913.505855.222530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
footybet <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
false sexual relationship
What exactly does this mean?
Possibly something to do with having sex under a gooseberry bush, or
possibly with a stork under gooseberry bush?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:49:33 PM |
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In our last episode
<1105110913.505855.222530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, footybet lept out
of the bushes shouting:
your stance on "gay"?
Don't stand on him. That hurts.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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07 Jan 2005 01:36:19 PM |
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My "stance" on "gay":
What I do in behind closed doors with a consenting adult is nobody
else's business. Therefore, what anyone else does behind closed doors
with a consenting adult is none of *my* business.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herder
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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08 Jan 2005 10:47:05 AM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 07:15:13 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
It means that, but it has also become a word for homosexual.
Languages change.
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
Um, no. First of all, it isn't a choice. I no more chose to be
bisexual than I chose to be left-handed. Sexual response is an
involuntary thing.. you can decide what is going to turn you on.
Also, it goes beyond sex. Being gay means that you can fall in love
with a member of the same sex the way heterosexuals fall in love with
members of the opposite sex. There are deep, lasting emotional bonds
formed.
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Ad hominem
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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07 Jan 2005 03:10:43 PM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 07:15:13 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
wrote:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
And you base this opinion on what?
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 12:28:14 AM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 07:15:13 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
wrote:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
Your problems are not only are you incapable of thinking, you are
horribly uneducated.
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
You're a lovely example ignorance isn't bliss.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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07 Jan 2005 01:48:56 AM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 07:15:13 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Why not. Jesus was gay after all.
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Archdeacon Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Tock" |
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07 Jan 2005 01:26:41 PM |
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"Levy Oates
Why not. Jesus was gay after all.
The Pope is gay, too. You can tell by the dresses he wears in public.
-Tock
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10 Jan 2005 12:33:00 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:26:41 GMT, "Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Levy Oates
Why not. Jesus was gay after all.
The Pope is gay, too. You can tell by the dresses he wears in public.
I wonder how many 'hash marks' he's got on the inside cover of his
Bible (or is it contained in a 10 foot stack of 24" x 24" artists
drawing tablets) for the number of altar boys he's buggered.
-Tock
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Jan 2005 10:40:43 AM |
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"Levy Oates" <levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gmfst0h8qfr49k9pcrlghuu1gmcmvmsqtm@4ax.com...
On 7 Jan 2005 07:15:13 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Why not. Jesus was gay after all.
Oh, now you're just trying to make his head explode :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 12:28:46 AM |
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:40:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Levy Oates" <levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 7 Jan 2005 07:15:13 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
to me gay meens happy in the old fashioned way
but I think that modern gay people choose their sexuality in confusion,
and they may get confused with people of the same sex being friends and
loving them...
instead of taking this at face value, and having a normal trusting
friendship, they unwittingly enter into a false sexual relationship
no doubt, some people are homosexual, that is their choice, but should
people teach that "gay is good" when immature practisers of gay
relationships do not know their true mind...
Why not. Jesus was gay after all.
Oh, now you're just trying to make his head explode :)
He can't. The moron's head exploded long ago.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| Title: Re: your stance on "gay"? |
07 Jan 2005 10:41:33 AM |
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Why not. Jesus was gay after all.
where is your evidence?
I used to wonder why he wasn't married when I was very young, in infant
school
but I was YOUNG
I am 37, heterosexual, and not married as yet
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