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"VTM Malkavian" |
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30 Aug 2004 02:56:02 PM |
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Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
First off, I'd appreciate reading any stories my fellow atheists and
anti-religionists might have about dating theists, particularly members of
organized religion.
Since my divorce, I've dated several women, both theist and non, but none of
them ever became serious enough for differences in beliefs to become a major
issue.
That may be about to change.
I've met a young woman. Beautiful. Intelligent. Talented. Wonderful voice.
Interested in me (I guess that should've thrown up a red flag that something
was dreadfully wrong). . .
Oh. And Methodist. Strangely enough, she claims she considered herself to be
Wiccan until her mid teens and then somehow found Jeebus.
She swears that she isn't going to try and convert me back to Christianity (I
spent twenty years trying to get out of it) but at the same time she insists
that I attend her church at some point.
I'm very confused. Before we started dating, she knew all my beliefs, and even
agreed with me on the difference between having faith and having religion, and
on all the ugly things I had to say about organized religion. She gave me the
impression that she attended her church as a matter of habit (or perhaps to
please her family). I'm afraid she may've been just humoring me.
Best Case Scenario: She just wants me to attend her church to appease her
mother. She's a college student and living at home, so I guess dating someone
her mother didn't approve of could make her life quite difficult right now.
Worst Case Scenario: She's a fundy in disguise. She'll eventually insist that I
join a death cult of dancing transvestite dominatrix nazis who seek to bring
about the return of Riktah'zeel, the nortic/hindu/klingon god of goat sheering.
That is what Methodists do. . . right?
Then I'd have to outfit myself in shades and a trench coat and wage a one-man
war against the forces of evil. Kinda' like Neo, or Vash the Stampede.
Wait. That might be really cool.
I'd prefer it didn't come to that, though. It would be a real shame for all our
shared interests to be totally negated just because I don't worship her
sadistic vampire god.
I have no ending for this piece, so I take a small bow.
Atheist #2375, and God am I proud!
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| User: "commutator" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
31 Aug 2004 03:41:29 AM |
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(VTM Malkavian) wrote in message news:<20040830155602.21613.00000031@mb-m10.aol.com>...
First off, I'd appreciate reading any stories my fellow atheists and
anti-religionists might have about dating theists, particularly members of
organized religion.
Since my divorce, I've dated several women, both theist and non, but none of
them ever became serious enough for differences in beliefs to become a major
issue.
That may be about to change.
I've met a young woman. Beautiful. Intelligent. Talented. Wonderful voice.
Interested in me (I guess that should've thrown up a red flag that something
was dreadfully wrong). . .
Oh. And Methodist. Strangely enough, she claims she considered herself to be
Wiccan until her mid teens and then somehow found Jeebus.
She swears that she isn't going to try and convert me back to Christianity (I
spent twenty years trying to get out of it) but at the same time she insists
that I attend her church at some point.
I'm very confused. Before we started dating, she knew all my beliefs, and even
agreed with me on the difference between having faith and having religion, and
on all the ugly things I had to say about organized religion. She gave me the
impression that she attended her church as a matter of habit (or perhaps to
please her family). I'm afraid she may've been just humoring me.
Best Case Scenario: She just wants me to attend her church to appease her
mother. She's a college student and living at home, so I guess dating someone
her mother didn't approve of could make her life quite difficult right now.
Worst Case Scenario: She's a fundy in disguise. She'll eventually insist that I
join a death cult of dancing transvestite dominatrix nazis who seek to bring
about the return of Riktah'zeel, the nortic/hindu/klingon god of goat sheering.
That is what Methodists do. . . right?
Then I'd have to outfit myself in shades and a trench coat and wage a one-man
war against the forces of evil. Kinda' like Neo, or Vash the Stampede.
Wait. That might be really cool.
I'd prefer it didn't come to that, though. It would be a real shame for all our
shared interests to be totally negated just because I don't worship her
sadistic vampire god.
I have no ending for this piece, so I take a small bow.
Atheist #2375, and God am I proud!
I would say she is what I like to call a humanist in denial. She
obviously isn't obsessed with organized religion as she has not tried
to convert you in any way. She also views church as something to do
of habit and to appease her mother. Basically she's narrowed herself
to one God and preceded to strike down all the tenets of belief that
she doesn't like until it was moderate and palatable. The key thing
is to find out if she believes in prayer/destiny. If she doesn't than
she's pretty much living her life just like us atheists except she
hasn't tossed on Occam's razor yet :)
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| User: "Az_" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
01 Sep 2004 02:13:42 PM |
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(VTM Malkavian) wrote in message news:<20040830155602.21613.00000031@mb-m10.aol.com>...
Stuff.
One of the issues we atheists sometimes run afoul of is looking to
religions and seeing nothing but the disease. But our society has
evolved with religious institutions entwined within it. While it
would be a joyous thing to see religious and nonsensical beliefs
vanish from this world overnight, the resulting social chaos would be
incalcuable.
As we have moved from a hunter-gather social group through
agricultural and into industrial society we have shifted the focus of
our social organisation. We no longer have villages with centralised
interaction between members of the society. Technology has enabled us
to become isolated from each other in crowded cities. Churches and
religious structures have filled the gap in this area.
Churches fulfill a social connectivity that villages once performed.
For many people their church is their extended family. More important
to them for that social connectivity than for any of the belief
structures it tries to indoctrinate them in.
It may simply be that your potential girlfriend values the
connectivity of her church. She does not see it as a threat to your
belief systems and will wonder why you react the way you do. If this
is a relationship worth pursuing I would recommend finding a way to
compromise on this position. Might I recommend other organisations
that may suit both of your needs. Unitarian Universalist churches
offer the social connectivity she may desire with none of the dogma
that you reject. Who knows it may even disengage her from the
continuous injection of Jesus memes from the more orthodox church.
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| User: "SillyMonkey" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
01 Sep 2004 08:51:24 AM |
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Before meeting my lovely atheist wife, I was fully entrenched in the
warzone most call "dating."
The most memorable was with a woman who had assured me through phone
conversations that she "believed, but wasn't crazy about it." I took
comfort in that, and we dated for several weeks,
It all changed one night. We were on the TTC after a nice dinner, and
happened to bump into a couple of her friends from church (immediate
red flags - no one makes friends at church). One of them had
apparently come back from missionary work in some horrific central
american country, building a church for a small village (much better
than, say, a few crates of food).
My own horror came when, instead of saying the obligatory "that's
great", my date very seriously said, "Jesus is doing some awesome
things, isn't he?"
I'm normally a very patient and understanding person, but I just
stared at them, dumbfounded, and in the most calm voice I have ever
mustered, said "are you fucking kidding me?"
I stood up, and got off at the stop we had arrived at - I can't
remember which one it was, and I was lost for a little while. But at
that moment, I vowed to be more careful in screening potential
girlfriends.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
01 Sep 2004 09:54:17 AM |
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On 1 Sep 2004 06:51:24 -0700, (SillyMonkey)
wrote:
Before meeting my lovely atheist wife, I was fully entrenched in the
warzone most call "dating."
The most memorable was with a woman who had assured me through phone
conversations that she "believed, but wasn't crazy about it." I took
comfort in that, and we dated for several weeks,
It all changed one night. We were on the TTC after a nice dinner, and
happened to bump into a couple of her friends from church (immediate
red flags - no one makes friends at church).
People do. It's one of the places people meet and talk.
I have a good friend from work (two jobs ago) who is an operatic
soprano. I got to know her when she put a request on an internal
bulletin board for recordings and libretto of some arias she was
learning. When she had a performance she invited people from several
different circles: work, music, church etc. Which is how I met my
girlfriend, who was one of her church circle.
One of them had
apparently come back from missionary work in some horrific central
american country, building a church for a small village (much better
than, say, a few crates of food).
My own horror came when, instead of saying the obligatory "that's
great", my date very seriously said, "Jesus is doing some awesome
things, isn't he?"
I'm normally a very patient and understanding person, but I just
stared at them, dumbfounded, and in the most calm voice I have ever
mustered, said "are you fucking kidding me?"
I stood up, and got off at the stop we had arrived at - I can't
remember which one it was, and I was lost for a little while. But at
that moment, I vowed to be more careful in screening potential
girlfriends.
My long-time girlfriend is Catholic. She's one of the few theists I've
met in the US who understands people outside her religion, but then
like me she is an immigrant (she's from a country where Christians are
a minority and realises that non-Christians see her religion the way
she saw the majority Hindu religion).
I was proud of her when she explained to another Christian that
"Buddhists pray too, but not to God, they call it meditation" and that
prayer was a way of relaxing the mind to try and get problems solved.
The only time I've been annoyed was after 9/11 when she thought it was
great how Bush was uniting the country under God. Even though she
seemed to understand atheists, she couldn't understand how atheists
were left out of the process.
Although when I didn't know her quite as well, and my late father had
had a heart attack, she surprised me by saying "I know you don't
believe but" she would pray for him. She didn't understand me as well
as I thought she did. But I took it in the spirit intended.
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
03 Sep 2004 06:09:19 AM |
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I don't date in the Dawson's Creek sense of the word: dating stranger after
stranger and following rules about first and second dates etcetera, in the
hope of finding a life partner.
However, I was involved with a pagan once. One of her rituals was that of
taking five quid from me, putting it inside the right container of her bra,
and cycling away into the night, never to be seen by me again.
The girl whom I am now semi-involved with "Catholic". She doesn't believe in
God, the afterlife, or papal infallability. She is pro-abortion, and
despises anything even mildly unscientific.
~Iain
"VTM Malkavian" <vtmmalkavian@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040830155602.21613.00000031@mb-m10.aol.com...
First off, I'd appreciate reading any stories my fellow atheists and
anti-religionists might have about dating theists, particularly members of
organized religion.
Since my divorce, I've dated several women, both theist and non, but none
of
them ever became serious enough for differences in beliefs to become a
major
issue.
That may be about to change.
I've met a young woman. Beautiful. Intelligent. Talented. Wonderful voice.
Interested in me (I guess that should've thrown up a red flag that
something
was dreadfully wrong). . .
Oh. And Methodist. Strangely enough, she claims she considered herself to
be
Wiccan until her mid teens and then somehow found Jeebus.
She swears that she isn't going to try and convert me back to Christianity
(I
spent twenty years trying to get out of it) but at the same time she
insists
that I attend her church at some point.
I'm very confused. Before we started dating, she knew all my beliefs, and
even
agreed with me on the difference between having faith and having religion,
and
on all the ugly things I had to say about organized religion. She gave me
the
impression that she attended her church as a matter of habit (or perhaps
to
please her family). I'm afraid she may've been just humoring me.
Best Case Scenario: She just wants me to attend her church to appease her
mother. She's a college student and living at home, so I guess dating
someone
her mother didn't approve of could make her life quite difficult right
now.
Worst Case Scenario: She's a fundy in disguise. She'll eventually insist
that I
join a death cult of dancing transvestite dominatrix nazis who seek to
bring
about the return of Riktah'zeel, the nortic/hindu/klingon god of goat
sheering.
That is what Methodists do. . . right?
Then I'd have to outfit myself in shades and a trench coat and wage a
one-man
war against the forces of evil. Kinda' like Neo, or Vash the Stampede.
Wait. That might be really cool.
I'd prefer it didn't come to that, though. It would be a real shame for
all our
shared interests to be totally negated just because I don't worship her
sadistic vampire god.
I have no ending for this piece, so I take a small bow.
Atheist #2375, and God am I proud!
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| User: "James V. Blakely" |
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04 Sep 2004 07:27:31 PM |
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I few years ago I dated a woman who was very Catholic. This was the first
woman that I thought about becoming serious in quite a few years. I never
mentioned my atheism to her because I wanted to see how the whole thing
would pan out. I did tell her that I wasn't Catholic and that I wasn't very
religious at all. She claimed that would not bother her.
I did offer to get married in the Catholic church but I told her in no
uncertain terms that I would not convert to Catholicism nor would I ever
attend church after the wedding. She agreed to all that.
However, something interesting developed, she was very active in her church,
she sang in the choir (great voice), volunteered, etc. So, it seemed that
every time we would meet, she needed to "just drop by" the church for
something. Once the priest found out she was dating a non-Catholic, her
asked her why, why not date a nice Catholic boy, why would I not convert,
etc.
As all this transpired, I started getting more in her face about not wanting
to be in her church. As I got more forward, she got more coy about avoiding
the subject while still getting me to go to her church. (If she ever drove,
it was a sure bet that we would wind up at the church.)
Anyway, I noticed that she was avoiding other subjects that are important
too, like having kids, etc. I finally dawned on me that she was just hoping
that I would marry her and then she would put the hammer down.
I dumped her. She said that she would not accept my break-up with her.
Four years later, she still writes to me.
I see from your post that you're in a very similar situation. My advice to
you would be to push the subject (and any other that you may find important)
early before you get too emotionally attached to her.
If you want to talk more, let me know.
"VTM Malkavian" <vtmmalkavian@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040830155602.21613.00000031@mb-m10.aol.com...
First off, I'd appreciate reading any stories my fellow atheists and
anti-religionists might have about dating theists, particularly members of
organized religion.
Since my divorce, I've dated several women, both theist and non, but none
of
them ever became serious enough for differences in beliefs to become a
major
issue.
That may be about to change.
I've met a young woman. Beautiful. Intelligent. Talented. Wonderful voice.
Interested in me (I guess that should've thrown up a red flag that
something
was dreadfully wrong). . .
Oh. And Methodist. Strangely enough, she claims she considered herself to
be
Wiccan until her mid teens and then somehow found Jeebus.
She swears that she isn't going to try and convert me back to Christianity
(I
spent twenty years trying to get out of it) but at the same time she
insists
that I attend her church at some point.
I'm very confused. Before we started dating, she knew all my beliefs, and
even
agreed with me on the difference between having faith and having religion,
and
on all the ugly things I had to say about organized religion. She gave me
the
impression that she attended her church as a matter of habit (or perhaps
to
please her family). I'm afraid she may've been just humoring me.
Best Case Scenario: She just wants me to attend her church to appease her
mother. She's a college student and living at home, so I guess dating
someone
her mother didn't approve of could make her life quite difficult right
now.
Worst Case Scenario: She's a fundy in disguise. She'll eventually insist
that I
join a death cult of dancing transvestite dominatrix nazis who seek to
bring
about the return of Riktah'zeel, the nortic/hindu/klingon god of goat
sheering.
That is what Methodists do. . . right?
Then I'd have to outfit myself in shades and a trench coat and wage a
one-man
war against the forces of evil. Kinda' like Neo, or Vash the Stampede.
Wait. That might be really cool.
I'd prefer it didn't come to that, though. It would be a real shame for
all our
shared interests to be totally negated just because I don't worship her
sadistic vampire god.
I have no ending for this piece, so I take a small bow.
Atheist #2375, and God am I proud!
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| User: "John Baker" |
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30 Aug 2004 07:19:27 PM |
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On 30 Aug 2004 19:56:02 GMT, (VTM Malkavian)
wrote:
First off, I'd appreciate reading any stories my fellow atheists and
anti-religionists might have about dating theists, particularly members of
organized religion.
Since my divorce, I've dated several women, both theist and non, but none of
them ever became serious enough for differences in beliefs to become a major
issue.
That may be about to change.
I've met a young woman. Beautiful. Intelligent. Talented. Wonderful voice.
Interested in me (I guess that should've thrown up a red flag that something
was dreadfully wrong). . .
Oh. And Methodist. Strangely enough, she claims she considered herself to be
Wiccan until her mid teens and then somehow found Jeebus.
She swears that she isn't going to try and convert me back to Christianity (I
spent twenty years trying to get out of it) but at the same time she insists
that I attend her church at some point.
I'm very confused. Before we started dating, she knew all my beliefs, and even
agreed with me on the difference between having faith and having religion, and
on all the ugly things I had to say about organized religion. She gave me the
impression that she attended her church as a matter of habit (or perhaps to
please her family). I'm afraid she may've been just humoring me.
Best Case Scenario: She just wants me to attend her church to appease her
mother. She's a college student and living at home, so I guess dating someone
her mother didn't approve of could make her life quite difficult right now.
Worst Case Scenario: She's a fundy in disguise. She'll eventually insist that I
join a death cult of dancing transvestite dominatrix nazis who seek to bring
about the return of Riktah'zeel, the nortic/hindu/klingon god of goat sheering.
That is what Methodists do. . . right?
Then I'd have to outfit myself in shades and a trench coat and wage a one-man
war against the forces of evil. Kinda' like Neo, or Vash the Stampede.
Wait. That might be really cool.
I'd prefer it didn't come to that, though. It would be a real shame for all our
shared interests to be totally negated just because I don't worship her
sadistic vampire god.
I have no ending for this piece, so I take a small bow.
My ex wife is a theist, but she's not very "religious" about it, pun
intended. She only made me go to church once a year, at Christmas.
When it comes down to it, I think the 15 year age difference had more
to do with the marriage going south than our differences of opinion
regarding the sky pixie. <G>
Atheist #2375, and God am I proud!
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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30 Aug 2004 03:41:00 PM |
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on 30 Aug 2004 in alt.atheism, VTM Malkavian dropped trou, farted, then
shouted:
She swears that she isn't going to try and convert me back to
Christianity (I spent twenty years trying to get out of it) but at the
same time she insists that I attend her church at some point.
I'm very confused. Before we started dating, she knew all my beliefs,
and even agreed with me on the difference between having faith and
having religion, and on all the ugly things I had to say about
organized religion. She gave me the impression that she attended her
church as a matter of habit (or perhaps to please her family). I'm
afraid she may've been just humoring me.
Best Case Scenario: She just wants me to attend her church to appease
her mother. She's a college student and living at home, so I guess
dating someone her mother didn't approve of could make her life quite
difficult right now.
Worst Case Scenario: She's a fundy in disguise. She'll eventually
insist that I join a death cult of dancing transvestite dominatrix
nazis who seek to bring about the return of Riktah'zeel, the
nortic/hindu/klingon god of goat sheering. That is what Methodists do.
. . right?
Red flag... She doesn't own you yet, so she wants to make you as
comfortable with her as possible. Once the knot is tied, she WILL try to
convert you. I say this with confidence because if she is in love with
you, she will combine that emotion with that of her believed salvation and
resurrection - which will not include you if you die an atheist.
Appeasing her mother while dating may seem a good idea now, but what about
later? Same goes for her. If you are adamant about not attending church,
best lay down the law now, or things will get very uncomfortable later,
when the smoke clears.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be
as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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| User: "Hagar" |
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30 Aug 2004 05:18:58 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95558B379D6B5vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 30 Aug 2004 in alt.atheism, VTM Malkavian dropped trou, farted, then
shouted:
snip <
Red flag... She doesn't own you yet, so she wants to make you as
comfortable with her as possible. Once the knot is tied, she WILL try to
convert you. I say this with confidence because if she is in love with
you, she will combine that emotion with that of her believed salvation and
resurrection - which will not include you if you die an atheist.
Appeasing her mother while dating may seem a good idea now, but what about
later? Same goes for her. If you are adamant about not attending church,
Here is a well known fact about marriage: about two weeks after you say "I
do", all oral sex activity will cease, with the statement that she never did
like it in the first place. That includes any other deliciously perverted
sexual habits she now professes to enjoy. You're an Atheist, so you can sit
through an hour of mind-numbing rhetoric, provided she is prepared to
precede it by a first-class BJ and that doggie thing. Just tell her it's
your "Supreme Being" and you just gotta have it. You'll either have a very
active sex life, or she'll quit asking you out to her brainwashing sessions.
My personal bet is the latter.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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30 Aug 2004 08:10:04 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:18:58 GMT, "Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95558B379D6B5vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 30 Aug 2004 in alt.atheism, VTM Malkavian dropped trou, farted, then
shouted:
snip <
Red flag... She doesn't own you yet, so she wants to make you as
comfortable with her as possible. Once the knot is tied, she WILL try to
convert you. I say this with confidence because if she is in love with
you, she will combine that emotion with that of her believed salvation and
resurrection - which will not include you if you die an atheist.
Appeasing her mother while dating may seem a good idea now, but what about
later? Same goes for her. If you are adamant about not attending church,
Here is a well known fact about marriage: about two weeks after you say "I
do", all oral sex activity will cease, with the statement that she never did
like it in the first place. That includes any other deliciously perverted
sexual habits she now professes to enjoy. You're an Atheist, so you can sit
through an hour of mind-numbing rhetoric, provided she is prepared to
precede it by a first-class BJ and that doggie thing. Just tell her it's
your "Supreme Being" and you just gotta have it. You'll either have a very
active sex life, or she'll quit asking you out to her brainwashing sessions.
My personal bet is the latter.
Well said.
I... I like you Hagar. Would you like to be a BAAWA Knight?
Bow before Excalibur!
(Taps Hagar on shoulders)
You are now a BAAWA Knight. Enjoy!
Squire! Bring the beer! Open the Harem!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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30 Aug 2004 09:00:10 PM |
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Steve Knight <whooly@sonic.net> wrote in
news:9nj7j0huu3kbhohgba8cnml39skj50lbgb@4ax.com:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:18:58 GMT, "Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote:
Here is a well known fact about marriage: about two weeks after you
say "I do", all oral sex activity will cease, with the statement that
she never did like it in the first place. That includes any other
deliciously perverted sexual habits she now professes to enjoy.
You're an Atheist, so you can sit through an hour of mind-numbing
rhetoric, provided she is prepared to precede it by a first-class BJ
and that doggie thing. Just tell her it's your "Supreme Being" and
you just gotta have it. You'll either have a very active sex life, or
she'll quit asking you out to her brainwashing sessions. My personal
bet is the latter.
Well said.
I... I like you Hagar. Would you like to be a BAAWA Knight?
Bow before Excalibur!
(Taps Hagar on shoulders)
You are now a BAAWA Knight. Enjoy!
Squire! Bring the beer! Open the Harem!
Congrats!
....just watch out for the rubber chickens.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
The Fundamentalist
== Knows no greater joy than the sound of his own voice.
== Knows no greater terror than the god he creates in his own image.
== Knows no greater evil than an unfettered mind.
== Knows no greater blasphemy than being told "NO."
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
30 Aug 2004 08:31:28 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Hagar:
Here is a well known fact about marriage: about two weeks after you
say "I do", all oral sex activity will cease, with the statement that
she never did like it in the first place.
My wife still enjoys it... when she's getting it. Heh. That's OK, I
enjoy giving it.
That includes any other
deliciously perverted sexual habits she now professes to enjoy.
Well, yeah, that's true.
You're an Atheist, so you can sit through an hour of mind-numbing
rhetoric, provided she is prepared to precede it by a first-class BJ
and that doggie thing. Just tell her it's your "Supreme Being" and
you just gotta have it. You'll either have a very active sex life, or
she'll quit asking you out to her brainwashing sessions. My personal
bet is the latter.
I'll take masturbation over church any Sunday.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to
be as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
31 Aug 2004 06:28:24 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:41:00 -0500, Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 30 Aug 2004 in alt.atheism, VTM Malkavian dropped trou, farted, then
shouted:
She swears that she isn't going to try and convert me back to
Christianity (I spent twenty years trying to get out of it) but at the
same time she insists that I attend her church at some point.
I'm very confused. Before we started dating, she knew all my beliefs,
and even agreed with me on the difference between having faith and
having religion, and on all the ugly things I had to say about organized
religion. She gave me the impression that she attended her church as a
matter of habit (or perhaps to please her family). I'm afraid she may've
been just humoring me.
Best Case Scenario: She just wants me to attend her church to appease
her mother. She's a college student and living at home, so I guess
dating someone her mother didn't approve of could make her life quite
difficult right now.
Worst Case Scenario: She's a fundy in disguise. She'll eventually insist
that I join a death cult of dancing transvestite dominatrix nazis who
seek to bring about the return of Riktah'zeel, the nortic/hindu/klingon
god of goat sheering. That is what Methodists do. . . right?
Red flag... She doesn't own you yet, so she wants to make you as
comfortable with her as possible. Once the knot is tied, she WILL try to
convert you. I say this with confidence because if she is in love with
you, she will combine that emotion with that of her believed salvation and
resurrection - which will not include you if you die an atheist.
Appeasing her mother while dating may seem a good idea now, but what about
later? Same goes for her. If you are adamant about not attending church,
best lay down the law now, or things will get very uncomfortable later,
when the smoke clears.
Another strategy (that works for me): go with her to church, but be such a
pain in her ***** (in an innocent sort of way, of course), that she doesn't
*want* you to go with her anymore. For example, during the sermon,
casually open the handy bible to 2Kings,2:23-24. Then act appalled, as if
you are reading it for the first time, that God would kill 42 children for
making fun of someone's bald head, and even more appalled that people
would worship such a sadistic brute. Other things to try: reading the
newspaper, playing a hand-held video game (sound OFF, of course), etc.
Church can really be quite fun if you approach it with the right attitude.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
31 Aug 2004 08:00:23 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach MarkA:
Another strategy (that works for me): go with her to church, but be
such a pain in her ***** (in an innocent sort of way, of course), that
she doesn't *want* you to go with her anymore. For example, during
the sermon, casually open the handy bible to 2Kings,2:23-24. Then act
appalled, as if you are reading it for the first time, that God would
kill 42 children for making fun of someone's bald head, and even more
appalled that people would worship such a sadistic brute. Other
things to try: reading the newspaper, playing a hand-held video game
(sound OFF, of course), etc.
Church can really be quite fun if you approach it with the right
attitude.
Muaaaahahahahaha!
I've done that with my wife, twice. The first time was at a mutual
friend's Catholic funeral. We stood with the sheep, but we both looked
around the room during their prayer. (My wife is Jewish.)
The second time was at her nephew's bar-mitzvah. Three times I folded up
the yamaha and put it in my pocket. Then my youngest daughter and I
started making fun of the god-closet behind the podium - the one they
kept opening, taking out the holy scrolls, reading something, then
putting them back. Heh. Then I refused the "holy sacrament", or
whatever it was the holy temple person was bringing around. I said "nah,
I'm on a diet." That raised a few eyebrows. My wife was livid. At
least she respects my position now, and knows not to bring me along on
any family religious events.
A few years ago she wanted a bat-mitzvah for my youngest daughter (my
oldest was already beyond the age). My youngest began to protest, and I
stood up for her, putting my foot down. No religious ***** will be
forced on either of my children, any religious attachments will be a
result of their own decision-making. This was an agreement we had made
earlier. In contrast, my youngest wanted to attend a Christian church
with a friend of hers the Sunday morning after a sleepover. It was her
decision, and over my wife's protests I gave my consent - in light of the
agreement. Afterward I asked her (my daughter) what she thought of it.
She said it was "weird".
OK, the drugs are taking effect and I'm rambling.
Ramblin Ramblin Ramblin
Muaaaahahahaha!
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to
be as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Your Stories of Dating Theists and Religionists |
01 Sep 2004 01:44:50 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9556B75E939E4vicman@216.148.227.77...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach MarkA:
Another strategy (that works for me): go with her to church, but be
such a pain in her ***** (in an innocent sort of way, of course), that
she doesn't *want* you to go with her anymore. For example, during
the sermon, casually open the handy bible to 2Kings,2:23-24. Then act
appalled, as if you are reading it for the first time, that God would
kill 42 children for making fun of someone's bald head, and even more
appalled that people would worship such a sadistic brute. Other
things to try: reading the newspaper, playing a hand-held video game
(sound OFF, of course), etc.
Church can really be quite fun if you approach it with the right
attitude.
Muaaaahahahahaha!
I've done that with my wife, twice. The first time was at a mutual
friend's Catholic funeral. We stood with the sheep, but we both looked
around the room during their prayer. (My wife is Jewish.)
The second time was at her nephew's bar-mitzvah. Three times I folded up
the yamaha and put it in my pocket. Then my youngest daughter and I
started making fun of the god-closet behind the podium - the one they
kept opening, taking out the holy scrolls, reading something, then
putting them back. Heh. Then I refused the "holy sacrament", or
whatever it was the holy temple person was bringing around. I said "nah,
I'm on a diet." That raised a few eyebrows. My wife was livid. At
LOL. I wish I had been there.
Good story.
<snip>
--
RB
aa#2187
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