"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
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ike milligan wrote:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,490160,00.html

Mahmoud Zahar -- a founder of Hamas, and one of its most militant
hardliners -- has called for an Islamic state in the Gaza Strip. After
the Hamas takeover of the territory last week, he's also threatened
Fatah with more violence in the West Bank...

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Last week there were street battles in the West Bank
between Fatah and Hamas militias. Fatah maintained the upper hand. How
will Hamas loyalists defend themselves in the event of any new
fighting?

Zahar: Let me ask you: How have we defended ourselves so far against
the Israeli occupation?

SPIEGEL ONLINE: With bombs and attacks?

Zahar: Exactly. But you said that, not me.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: The split between Hamas and Fatah has never been wider.
Are you still in contact with one another?

Zahar: Yes, we speak to each other. But we're looking for the true
Fatah so its members can take part in our new organization and plans
for the future. The true, pure Fatah is the real loser (in this
conflict) because its party in the West Bank is collaborating with
Israel. In Gaza we have beaten those elements that collaborate with
Israel. We have beaten everyone who represented an obstacle -- the ones
who wanted to keep us from defending ourselves.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: The militant wings of Fatah and Hamas have been fully
armed over the last few months. Are these weapons still in circulation?

Zahar: There are naturally very many weapons around now. Two years ago,
one bullet in Gaza cost around ?3.50 -- now it would cost 35 cents. The
American aid money has been translated into weapons. Thank you,
America!

taxes don't kill people. guns kill people. That being said, could Israel
have put all those setllements on the West Bank after the "6 day war"
without help from American tax dollars?

It was the Arab countries that helped Israel put all those settlements
there
by *starting* the six day war and then getting their sorry Muslim asses
kicked. The Pals have nobody but themselves to blame for their troubles.

First you say the Arabs started the war, and then you imply the
Palestinians are to blame You are trying to lump them together with all
the Arabs. The Palestinians as a whole were not to blame for the 6-day
war.

It was the leaders mainly of Egypt and other Arab countries, and the
Soviet Union was allegedly encouraging it, and was supposed to have armed
the Resistance. The Palestinians were being used a pawns. That does not
necessarily mean that they have no rights. The reason they were able to be
exploited was that injustice was done to them.

Now it seems we have told the Palestinians in effect,"Look at the nice
Jewish religious state we and the U.N. have put in your land. See how it
is helping to bring improved agriculture to you, and the opportunity for
prosperity in our stern model of Capitalism". Never mind the fact that
the
people who had lived there for centuries were pushed aside like so many
trees bulldozed by a modern real estate developer.

***** them, if they had decided to live with their neighbors in peace they
would be enjoying the benefits of a modern democratic state instead of a
seventh-century Muslim rathole.

***** them was always the Israeli governments idea, and that's why they are
resisting. The so-called neighbors you want them to make nice with, stole
their land and are making their lives miserable in many other ways. So now
you expect them to try to live in peace. And what will that get them?

Actually more of what they are getting now. Maybe the resistance doesn't
have a chance, but I doubt if they will ever stop trying. The alternative
would be to trust Israel, which is hell-bent on taking everything, in
spite of some of its politicians' protestations to the contrary.

What is the Two State Solution, and what is Land for Peace, except a
cruel
slogan invented to garner support for the destruction of Palestine,
sanguinely considered by many to be a fait accompli? Yes Virginia, there
is a Palestine.

Yeah, look at how well that is working out in Gaza.

That's because rogue elements Iran and Syria are using the Palestinians
for cannon-fodder in their anti-Western campaign. They are the ones who
armed Hamas, not U.S. tax dollars. YOur point was that U.S. tax dollars
were buying bullets. Pretty absurd, and you quoted an Hamas spokesperson
to that effect. So we are to belive you and the Hamas spokesperson that
U.S. tax dollars are arming the Hamas.

As to your gloating about his propaganda assertion that U.S. tax dollars
armed the Palestinians, what about his other sources of aid? Are you
claiming that this spokesperson is accurately explaining where his
weapons
came from? You are so stupid as to insult everyone's intelligence by
parroting this claim. He is much smarter than you and your sycophantic
audience. He is not telling us where he really got his death-dealing.

Ah, of course, he must be lying, since what he said doesn't fit your
agenda.

Me, have an agenda? I thought agendas were for wealthy politicos, like
whoever must be paying you to post this propaganda..