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Religions > Atheism |
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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25 Dec 2007 11:28:47 AM |
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Your Update On How Fred's HMO Utopia Killed a 17 YO Girl |
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
"FRED STONE YOU GOT PWNED. "
-laleeloolelo <at> yahoo, 12/28/2007
"Face it, Fred, you've been pwn3d."
-Bill Baker, 12/21/2007
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Yangie-pwn3d's update on how Universal Healthcare will bankrupt the country |
25 Dec 2007 12:01:58 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism,
while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean William Inge
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-pwn3d's update on how Universal Healthcare will bankruptthe country |
25 Dec 2007 12:10:46 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of people
who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Made by MBAs |
25 Dec 2007 01:50:55 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of people
who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than the
life of a 17 YO girl.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
"FRED STONE YOU GOT PWNED. "
-laleeloolelo <at> yahoo, 12/28/2007
"Face it, Fred, you've been pwn3d."
-Bill Baker, 12/21/2007
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Made by MBAs |
25 Dec 2007 07:46:49 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of people
who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than the
life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go bankrupt.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean
William Inge
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Madeby MBAs |
25 Dec 2007 07:56:05 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of people
who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than the
life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Made by MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 02:27:28 AM |
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"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of people
who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than the
life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Madeby MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 05:29:17 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of people
who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than the
life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes in
the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have Flood
Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was destroyed by
wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do not
have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's world,
then real people.
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Made by MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 06:17:21 AM |
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"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com...
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must be
taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with an
impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than the
life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
We can't have the insurance company lose money,
now, can we? Not just to save the life of a mere
human... Fred would never agree to that.
Not sure how, though.
Neither is he.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance companies,
personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of paying what they
were required to by finding any and all loopholes in the law.
You know the Republicans and many Democrats (in
name only) would never agree to such an investigation.
In Katrina, BushCo has gotten away with murder let
alone letting insurance companies use such 'loopholes'.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have Flood
Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was destroyed by
wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do not
have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
That's about the size of it. They should take the insurance
money out of the CEO's huge salaries and bonuses, neither
of which are deserved. That would cover the insurance
policies with money to spare.
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's world,
then real people.
Fred has always struck me as being rather artificial.
He was a regular member of this newsgroup years
ago. Then, he stopped writing for a few years. When
he returned to alt.atheism, he was the brain-burned
troll we now know. I'm still not certain that he is the
same person. If he is, somewhere along the way he
became mentally ill.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Made by MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 06:54:23 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:q5CdnXaeAbXb2-_anZ2dnUVZ_v-hnZ2d@comcast.com:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com...
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion.
For universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions
must be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and
placed with an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare
of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they
go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes
bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
We can't have the insurance company lose money,
now, can we? Not just to save the life of a mere
human... Fred would never agree to that.
Stop lying, Michelle.
Not sure how, though.
Neither is he.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes in
the law.
You know the Republicans and many Democrats (in
name only) would never agree to such an investigation.
In Katrina, BushCo has gotten away with murder let
alone letting insurance companies use such 'loopholes'.
Stop lying, Michelle.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have Flood
Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was destroyed
by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do
not have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
That's about the size of it. They should take the insurance
money out of the CEO's huge salaries and bonuses, neither
of which are deserved. That would cover the insurance
policies with money to spare.
Stop lying, Michelle.
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's
world, then real people.
Fred has always struck me as being rather artificial.
He was a regular member of this newsgroup years
ago. Then, he stopped writing for a few years. When
he returned to alt.atheism, he was the brain-burned
troll we now know. I'm still not certain that he is the
same person. If he is, somewhere along the way he
became mentally ill.
Stop lying, Michelle.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean
William Inge
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Madeby MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 10:01:05 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:17:21 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com...
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with
an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the
patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
We can't have the insurance company lose money, now, can we?
Well, not a capitalist system! The government must support them or we'd
be socialist or something!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach
their heart's desire at last, and the White House will
be adorned by a downright moron.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Made by MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 06:53:06 AM |
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DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed
with an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the
patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes in
the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have Flood
Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was destroyed
by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do not
have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You got that backwards, Daniel. The denials were for *flood damage*. The
wind damage was covered. And oh, by the way, they HAD flood coverage from
the Federal Flood Insurance Program, which is *separate* from standard
homeowners insurance, and is *required by federal law* for people who
build in flood zones.
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's
world, then real people.
Stop lying, Daniel.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean
William Inge
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26 Dec 2007 07:00:16 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed
with an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the
patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes in
the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have Flood
Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was destroyed
by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do not
have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You got that backwards, Daniel. The denials were for *flood damage*. The
wind damage was covered. And oh, by the way, they HAD flood coverage from
the Federal Flood Insurance Program, which is *separate* from standard
homeowners insurance, and is *required by federal law* for people who
build in flood zones.
If you think I have things "backwards", then I must have it right.
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's
world, then real people.
Stop lying, Daniel.
Sorry if you think that reality is a lie, Fred.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Made by MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 09:32:10 AM |
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DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:xf-dnV4Hcc5X0u_anZ2dnUVZ_tPinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion.
For universal health coverage to be meaningful, such
decisions must be taken out of the hands of insurance
adjustors and placed with an impartial arbiter whose interest
is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands
of people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important
than the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they
go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes
bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes
that forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow
bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes
in the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have
Flood Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was
destroyed by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do
not have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You got that backwards, Daniel. The denials were for *flood damage*.
The wind damage was covered. And oh, by the way, they HAD flood
coverage from the Federal Flood Insurance Program, which is
*separate* from standard homeowners insurance, and is *required by
federal law* for people who build in flood zones.
If you think I have things "backwards", then I must have it right.
You may now proceed to call CNN a "right-wing blog" or find some other
stupid excuse to ignore the following:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/15/katrina.lawsuit/index.html
Judge rejects claim for Katrina flood damage
Claim for wind damage granted; both sides declare victory
Tuesday, August 15, 2006; Posted: 9:45 p.m. EDT (01:45 GMT)
PASCAGOULA, Mississippi (CNN) -- A federal judge Tuesday rejected a
couple's insurance claim for Hurricane Katrina-related flood damage in a
case sure to resonate with homeowners ravaged last year by the storm.
Senior District Judge L.T. Senter Jr. said the insurance policy of
plaintiffs Paul and Julie Leonard of Pascagoula, Mississippi,
specifically excluded flood damage.
However, Senter ruled that the couple could collect compensation from
Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co. for wind damage -- a total of $1,228.16.
The Leonards said their Gulf Coast home incurred more than $130,000 in
wind and flood damage on August 29, when Hurricane Katrina raked the Gulf
Coast.
The lawsuit argued that a Nationwide insurance policy bought by the
Leonards in 2004 purported to provide full coverage for any damage
typically caused by hurricanes. The lawsuit also said the insurance agent
told the Leonards they did not need to purchase additional flood
insurance, which is offered separately by the federal government.
[aside: what the agent probably tried to explain was that they didn't
need to purchase flood insurance *from him* instead of the separate
government-provided flood insurance]
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's
world, then real people.
Stop lying, Daniel.
Sorry if you think that reality is a lie, Fred.
Sorry that you think a lie is reality, Daniel.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean
William Inge
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Madeby MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 08:03:20 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:xf-dnV4Hcc5X0u_anZ2dnUVZ_tPinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion.
For universal health coverage to be meaningful, such
decisions must be taken out of the hands of insurance
adjustors and placed with an impartial arbiter whose interest
is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands
of people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important
than the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they
go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes
bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes
that forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow
bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes
in the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have
Flood Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was
destroyed by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do
not have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You got that backwards, Daniel. The denials were for *flood damage*.
The wind damage was covered. And oh, by the way, they HAD flood
coverage from the Federal Flood Insurance Program, which is
*separate* from standard homeowners insurance, and is *required by
federal law* for people who build in flood zones.
If you think I have things "backwards", then I must have it right.
You may now proceed to call CNN a "right-wing blog" or find some other
stupid excuse to ignore the following:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/15/katrina.lawsuit/index.html
I'm sorry, but do you understand the meaning of the word "example"?
<snip irrelevant cite, which is good in detail, but short on relevancy>
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead
would support such a company, since it's 'ideals'
are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's
world, then real people.
Stop lying, Daniel.
Sorry if you think that reality is a lie, Fred.
Sorry that you think a lie is reality, Daniel.
Childishness detected.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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26 Dec 2007 10:26:56 PM |
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DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:kIWdnfMe5ZjTmu7anZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:xf-dnV4Hcc5X0u_anZ2dnUVZ_tPinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved
Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion.
For universal health coverage to be meaningful, such
decisions must be taken out of the hands of insurance
adjustors and placed with an impartial arbiter whose
interest
is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands
of people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important
than the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they
go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes
bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes
that forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow
bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes
in the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have
Flood Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was
destroyed by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do
not have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You got that backwards, Daniel. The denials were for *flood damage*.
The wind damage was covered. And oh, by the way, they HAD flood
coverage from the Federal Flood Insurance Program, which is
*separate* from standard homeowners insurance, and is *required by
federal law* for people who build in flood zones.
If you think I have things "backwards", then I must have it right.
You may now proceed to call CNN a "right-wing blog" or find some other
stupid excuse to ignore the following:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/15/katrina.lawsuit/index.html
I'm sorry, but do you understand the meaning of the word "example"?
Oh, hey, it's "Contradict everything Fred says" time again!
*****, loser.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean
William Inge
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26 Dec 2007 10:45:11 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:kIWdnfMe5ZjTmu7anZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:xf-dnV4Hcc5X0u_anZ2dnUVZ_tPinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved
Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion.
For universal health coverage to be meaningful, such
decisions must be taken out of the hands of insurance
adjustors and placed with an impartial arbiter whose
interest
is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands
of people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important
than the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they
go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes
bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes
that forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow
bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance
company into the ground. I'm certain that
whatever they get won't affect the company's
other suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing
out in droves, and I don't blame them. Why
should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes
in the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have
Flood Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was
destroyed by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water."
Insurance Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do
not have Wind Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You got that backwards, Daniel. The denials were for *flood damage*.
The wind damage was covered. And oh, by the way, they HAD flood
coverage from the Federal Flood Insurance Program, which is
*separate* from standard homeowners insurance, and is *required by
federal law* for people who build in flood zones.
If you think I have things "backwards", then I must have it right.
You may now proceed to call CNN a "right-wing blog" or find some other
stupid excuse to ignore the following:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/15/katrina.lawsuit/index.html
I'm sorry, but do you understand the meaning of the word "example"?
Oh, hey, it's "Contradict everything Fred says" time again!
Fred: "The moon is made of cheese."
Me: "No, it isn't."
Fred: "Yes it is, look: http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/cheese.html "
Me: "Oh...kay...you do realize that this is a parody site, right?"
Fred: "Not allowed to dissent, am I?"
Me: "Yes, you are, but not stupidly. The moon is made of rock. NASA
agrees."
Fred: "NASA is a political organization."
Me: "What?"
Fred: "You heard me. They'll say anything to line their pockets."
Me: "Fred, all scientists agree that the moon is made of rock."
Fred: "Nuh uh! http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/cheese.html "
Me: "Ummm..
Fred: "Did you even read my cite?"
Me: "Yes. It's rubbish."
Fred: "Must you contradict everything I say?"
*****, loser.
Baby want a bottle?
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Hissy Fit Fred Thinks Life-And-Death Decisions Should be Madeby MBAs |
26 Dec 2007 10:09:28 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:00:16 -0800, DanielSan wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Q5ednbIOiNvlp-_anZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Nataline’s
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed
with an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the
patient
rather
than a corporation’s balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance company into the ground.
I'm certain that whatever they get won't affect the company's other
suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing out in droves, and I
don't blame them. Why should they trust a company that doesn't follow
through on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes in
the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have Flood
Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was destroyed
by wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water." Insurance
Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do not have Wind
Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You got that backwards, Daniel. The denials were for *flood damage*.
The wind damage was covered. And oh, by the way, they HAD flood
coverage from the Federal Flood Insurance Program, which is *separate*
from standard homeowners insurance, and is *required by federal law*
for people who build in flood zones.
If you think I have things "backwards", then I must have it right.
You got it.
The problem is worse than even you were saying. Claims would be denied by
the flood insurance carrier because they were wind damage. The same
claims would be denied by the wind damage carrier because they were flood
damage.
This was pandemic in the area.
Further, they pulled all kinds of lovely stunts such as the one with me
where I filed a claim for clear wind damage in an area that had *NO*
flooding (our parish was just outside the city, we were well outside the
flood area). Months went by. So much so that it became a problem because
Bob had died and I had to sell the house for the estate mess. So I
finally had to tell them I was turning the matter over to the estate
lawyer.
Know what they said? They said they'd come to the house many times but
nobody was there.
Yeah. Riiight. By the time of Katrina, I was a full time caregiver (paid
even as it took up so much time, I couldn't do any other kind of work)
for somebody who needed pretty much around the clock attention. Who even
if he couldn't have gotten to the door had somebody showed up, had my
cell on speed dial were I at the grocery store or picking up his
medications at the pharmacy or something like that.
And I had arranged it to where he only had to push the button, not talk
or anything, just get the one button speed dial to dial my cell and I'd
head home (even set the blasted thing for a loud, strident, annoying
ring).
I blew. Called them lying sons of bitches and a number of other things I
don't care to repeat here. <g>
Funny thing. The word "lawyer" having been brought into the conversation,
they had a guy out in two days and a check cut in less than a week.
Weird that...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.”
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:29:17 -0800, DanielSan wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"DanielSan" <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Nataline’s
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with
an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporation’s balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
You mean, the insurance company isn't insured?
Evidently, Fred Stone seems to think so. Evidently, he believes that
forcing the insurance company to do its job will somehow bankrupt it.
Not sure how, though.
I hope the girl's parents sue the insurance company into the ground.
I'm certain that whatever they get won't affect the company's other
suckers. In fact, they are probably bailing out in droves, and I don't
blame them. Why should they trust a company that doesn't follow through
on it's contracts?
I think there should be a special investigation into insurance
companies, personally. In Katrina, insurance companies got out of
paying what they were required to by finding any and all loopholes in
the law.
Katrina Victim: "Hi. My home was destroyed in a flood. I have Flood
Insurance."
Insurance Company: "I see in your policy that your home was destroyed by
wind. We cannot pay you."
Katrina Victim: "Um, no. My home was flooded. With water." Insurance
Company: "Yes, but the flood was CAUSED by WIND. You do not have Wind
Insurance. We cannot pay you."
You forgot:
Insurance: We cannot pay you and, by the way, your policy is canceled. Oh
and we're withdrawing from your state. Go get the state run insurance.
I love that dance. I really do.
"State run insurance is socialism! We won't insure you, go get the state
run insurance. State run insurance is bad! We're canceling your policy,
go get the state run insurance. State run insurance is wrong! We're
withdrawing from your state, go get the state run insurance."
Flood insurance is a government program. Earthquake insurance is a
government program. High risk health insurance is a government program.
Now Allstate (and others) are pushing for wind insurance to be a
government program.
But socialism is bad, you see.
No, really, Allstate has been forbidden--under emergency powers of the
state government--to leave Louisiana until after the Katrina claims are
dealt with. Their solution? Withdraw from the entire coastal area of
Texas and tell everybody to go get the state run insurance.
Again, I have to ask, what do we need insurance companies *FOR*?
Of course, ultra-conservative FredStonehead would support such a
company, since it's 'ideals' are those of his beloved Shrublets.
Of course. Artificial persons have more rights, in Fred Stone's world,
then real people.
And yet for all the support he gives them, they'd run over him without a
thought as much as they would any of the rest of us. What's his
percentage? Does he think they'll give him a dollar for being a good boy?
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
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25 Dec 2007 08:43:36 PM |
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DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with
an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
Oh, right, and in your universe THAT will help the whole situation with
health care just treMENdously.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean
William Inge
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25 Dec 2007 09:03:23 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed with
an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the other
customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
Oh, right, and in your universe THAT will help the whole situation with
health care just treMENdously.
Sarcasm is lost on you again. One lawsuit will not bankrupt an
insurance company. It's a business expense.
What are insurance companies there for, if not to collect money from the
insured then pay out when they're required to? What is their business
plan? Why have they formed?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
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25 Dec 2007 09:38:10 PM |
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DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:X6ednbCcIO91XuzanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed
with an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the
patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
Oh, right, and in your universe THAT will help the whole situation
with health care just treMENdously.
Sarcasm is lost on you again. One lawsuit will not bankrupt an
insurance company. It's a business expense.
Amazing. You actually recognized sarcasm.
What are insurance companies there for, if not to collect money from
the insured then pay out when they're required to? What is their
business plan? Why have they formed?
There are limits to risk on every policy, Daniel. There isn't an
insurance company in the world that will pay out unlimited amounts of
money on a policy. Not one. Not anywhere. Not even government-backed
single-payer policies will pay out infinite amounts of money for
procedures, no matter how many doctors prescribe them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." - Dean
William Inge
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25 Dec 2007 09:57:16 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:X6ednbCcIO91XuzanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion. For
universal health coverage to be meaningful, such decisions must
be taken out of the hands of insurance adjustors and placed
with an impartial arbiter whose interest is the welfare of the
patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands of
people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important than
the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they go
bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes bankrupt.
Oh, right, and in your universe THAT will help the whole situation
with health care just treMENdously.
Sarcasm is lost on you again. One lawsuit will not bankrupt an
insurance company. It's a business expense.
Amazing. You actually recognized sarcasm.
What are insurance companies there for, if not to collect money from
the insured then pay out when they're required to? What is their
business plan? Why have they formed?
There are limits to risk on every policy, Daniel. There isn't an
insurance company in the world that will pay out unlimited amounts of
money on a policy. Not one. Not anywhere.
I have never said they were.
Not even government-backed
single-payer policies will pay out infinite amounts of money for
procedures, no matter how many doctors prescribe them.
Where have I said that? Where does this "unlimited payouts" come from?
Please show me what I've said that would've led you to this outlandish
conclusion.
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* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
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26 Dec 2007 05:39:00 AM |
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DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:o-mdndvTFMQVTezanZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:X6ednbCcIO91XuzanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in
news:_4idnb82q86_KezanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gqn2n3tmo1sd67o96nbmndv0potuqbuv4j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:10:46 -0800, DanielSan
<petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9ff2n35jptln77dekk1a49hqkr1mrp2qd5@4ax.com:
From the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5402763.html
"If the staff at the UCLA transplant unit approved Natalines
procedure, that should have been the end of the discussion.
For universal health coverage to be meaningful, such
decisions must be taken out of the hands of insurance
adjustors and placed with an impartial arbiter whose interest
is the welfare of the patient
rather
than a corporations balance sheet."
That quote says it all.
So, you want your health care decisions placed into the hands
of people who's only interest is the "bottom line"?
For Fred, making billion dollars of profit is more important
than the life of a 17 YO girl.
For Yangie-pwn3d, one 17 YO girl is more important than all the
other customers of the insurance company who will suffer if they
go bankrupt.
Because one lawsuit will ensure the insurance company goes
bankrupt.
Oh, right, and in your universe THAT will help the whole situation
with health care just treMENdously.
Sarcasm is lost on you again. One lawsuit will not bankrupt an
insurance company. It's a business expense.
Amazing. You actually recognized sarcasm.
What are insurance companies there for, if not to collect money from
the insured then pay out when they're required to? What is their
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