Christ -- better CHRISTOS, actually WAS created --
in the head of the paganized Jew Saul/Paul of Tarsus.
Unlike Jesus, a fellow from Galilee, who was simply
deified by the Pauline cult, as was customary in those days,
see Julius Caesar and many others.
The verses in the "NT" simply reflect the teachings of that
cult. -- L.

m80islami@yahoo.com wrote:

* Begotten = made, created, (caused to improve, ...)

Isaiah - Chapter 49
21: Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these,
seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and
removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left
alone; these, where had they been?

1 Corinthians - Chapter 4
15: For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye
not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the
gospel.

1 Peter - Chapter 1
3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which
according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively
hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

---------------------
* Bear = beget (born = begotten = made (caused to birth, ...)

Genesis - Chapter 5
4: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred
years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Philemon - Chapter 1
10: I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my
bonds:

Hebrews - Chapter 11
17: By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that
had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

-----------------
Matthew - Chapter 11
11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath
not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is
least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
-----------------

1 John - Chapter 5
1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and
every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten
of him.
4: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the
victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John - Chapter 5
18: We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is
begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

============ Christ(Word) has begotten (firstbegotten)

Hebrews - Chapter 1
5: For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son,
this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6: And again, when he bringeth in the *firstbegotten into the world, he
saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7: And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his
ministers a flame of fire.

********************************
*** [Revelation 3:14]
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things
saith the Amen, <the faithful> and <true witness>, <<<the beginning of
the creation of God>>>;
*** [Revelation 19]
11: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat
upon him was called <Faithful> and <True>, and in righteousness he doth
judge and make war.
13: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is
called <<<The Word of God>>>.
*********************************

Revelation - Chapter 1
17: And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his
right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the
last: 18: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive
for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

* Christ is "the first and the last" of creation = "first begotten of
the dead" (Revelation 1:5)
(It does not refer to death of Christ on earth; Moses had ressurrected
before Christ!)
"first begotten of the dead" = "the beginning of the creation of God"
* God never dies!

---------------------------
Hebrews - Chapter 5
5: So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but
he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Psalms - Chapter 2
6: Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7: I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my
Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8: Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9: Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in
pieces like a potter's vessel.

*** Christ has begotten as "Son"(Word)! He was not from eternity!

===============================================================

(*) - "Word was God" or "Word was from (of) God" ?

John - Chapter 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God.
14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace
and truth.

John - Chapter 8
42: Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:
for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but
he sent me.

1 John - Chapter 4
3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in
the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof
ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the
world.
4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because
greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5: They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the
world heareth them.
6: We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God
heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of
error.
7: Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one
that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
http://www.geocities.com/m80islami/quran/blood.htm

John - Chapter 13
3: Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands,
and that he was come from God, and went to God;

======== "Father" & "Lord"

*** The equivalent of "Father" in Bible is "Rabb" in Quran-mostly
translated to "Lord", but it is wrong); "Rabb" only refers to God
(Allah).

- "Creator" = "Khaleqh" in Arabic
- "Lord" = "Vali" in Arabic; God is LORD, Christ is Lord and there are
other Lords, too. (Christ is the Lord of these Lords)

* Do you know who are these other Lords ? And what does it mean ?

=================

John - Chapter 16
27: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and
have believed that I came out from God. 28: I came forth from the
Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to
the Father.
29: His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and
speakest no proverb. 30: Now are we sure that thou knowest all things,
and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that
thou camest forth from God.

2 Peter - Chapter 1
17: For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.

--------------------------------------------
John - Chapter 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. 2: The same was in the beginning with God. 3: All things
were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

2 Peter - Chapter 3
5: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the
heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
water:
6: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water,
perished:
7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are
kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and
perdition of ungodly men.
---------------------------------------------

John - Chapter 1
6: There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

Revelation - Chapter 21
2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God
out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Is Christ "God" ? But, "God" is greater
http://www.geocities.com/m80islami/quran/christ.htm

-------------------

http://www.geocities.com/m80islami/quran/studyfaith.htm

Christ -- better CHRISTOS, actually WAS created --
in the head of the paganized Jew Saul/Paul of Tarsus.
Unlike Jesus, a fellow from Galilee, who was simply
deified by the Pauline cult, as was customary in those days,
see Julius Caesar and many others.
The verses in the "NT" simply reflect the teachings of that
cult. -- L.

m80islami@yahoo.com wrote:

* Begotten = made, created, (caused to improve, ...)

Isaiah - Chapter 49
21: Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these,
seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and
removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left
alone; these, where had they been?

1 Corinthians - Chapter 4
15: For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye
not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the
gospel.

1 Peter - Chapter 1
3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which
according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively
hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

---------------------
* Bear = beget (born = begotten = made (caused to birth, ...)

Genesis - Chapter 5
4: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred
years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Philemon - Chapter 1
10: I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my
bonds:

Hebrews - Chapter 11
17: By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that
had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

-----------------
Matthew - Chapter 11
11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath
not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is
least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
-----------------

1 John - Chapter 5
1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and
every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten
of him.
4: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the
victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John - Chapter 5
18: We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is
begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

============ Christ(Word) has begotten (firstbegotten)

Hebrews - Chapter 1
5: For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son,
this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6: And again, when he bringeth in the *firstbegotten into the world, he
saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7: And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his
ministers a flame of fire.

********************************
*** [Revelation 3:14]
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things
saith the Amen, <the faithful> and <true witness>, <<<the beginning of
the creation of God>>>;
*** [Revelation 19]
11: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat
upon him was called <Faithful> and <True>, and in righteousness he doth
judge and make war.
13: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is
called <<<The Word of God>>>.
*********************************

Revelation - Chapter 1
17: And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his
right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the
last: 18: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive
for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

* Christ is "the first and the last" of creation = "first begotten of
the dead" (Revelation 1:5)
(It does not refer to death of Christ on earth; Moses had ressurrected
before Christ!)
"first begotten of the dead" = "the beginning of the creation of God"
* God never dies!

---------------------------
Hebrews - Chapter 5
5: So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but
he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Psalms - Chapter 2
6: Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7: I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my
Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8: Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9: Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in
pieces like a potter's vessel.

*** Christ has begotten as "Son"(Word)! He was not from eternity!

===============================================================

(*) - "Word was God" or "Word was from (of) God" ?

John - Chapter 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God.
14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace
and truth.

John - Chapter 8
42: Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:
for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but
he sent me.

1 John - Chapter 4
3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in
the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof
ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the
world.
4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because
greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5: They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the
world heareth them.
6: We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God
heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of
error.
7: Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one
that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
http://www.geocities.com/m80islami/quran/blood.htm

John - Chapter 13
3: Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands,
and that he was come from God, and went to God;

======== "Father" & "Lord"

*** The equivalent of "Father" in Bible is "Rabb" in Quran-mostly
translated to "Lord", but it is wrong); "Rabb" only refers to God
(Allah).

- "Creator" = "Khaleqh" in Arabic
- "Lord" = "Vali" in Arabic; God is LORD, Christ is Lord and there are
other Lords, too. (Christ is the Lord of these Lords)

* Do you know who are these other Lords ? And what does it mean ?

=================

John - Chapter 16
27: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and
have believed that I came out from God. 28: I came forth from the
Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to
the Father.
29: His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and
speakest no proverb. 30: Now are we sure that thou knowest all things,
and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that
thou camest forth from God.

2 Peter - Chapter 1
17: For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.

--------------------------------------------
John - Chapter 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. 2: The same was in the beginning with God. 3: All things
were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

2 Peter - Chapter 3
5: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the
heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
water:
6: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water,
perished:
7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are
kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and
perdition of ungodly men.
---------------------------------------------

John - Chapter 1
6: There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

Revelation - Chapter 21
2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God
out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Is Christ "God" ? But, "God" is greater
http://www.geocities.com/m80islami/quran/christ.htm

-------------------

http://www.geocities.com/m80islami/quran/studyfaith.htm