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29 Dec 2007 01:16:01 AM |
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# BHUTTO FACTOR AND THE END OF THE WORLD # |
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RORyRmzka2Vu?=" |
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| Title: Re: # BHUTTO FACTOR AND THE END OF THE WORLD # |
29 Dec 2007 10:21:12 AM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:21867a60-9ba4-4152-9104-6c9f76bed4f2@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
What difference does it make when the end comes? Do you have a plan to stop
it? Why do you care so much?
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| Title: Re: # BHUTTO FACTOR AND THE END OF THE WORLD # |
29 Dec 2007 12:09:09 PM |
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If someone told you that in 4 years you might be most likely dead
( 50/50 chances ) what you should do ? Just go the same way as you go
or rather look for a solution how to be able to survive and live
longer ?
I am waitnig for the Paradise where all things will go well for me .
So should I not be interested when exactly that may happen ?
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RORyRmzka2Vu?=" |
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| Title: Re: # BHUTTO FACTOR AND THE END OF THE WORLD # |
29 Dec 2007 01:42:07 PM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
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If someone told you that in 4 years you might be most likely dead
( 50/50 chances ) what you should do ?
What could I do? People with fatal diseases are told that all the time.
What are YOU doing to stop it?
Just go the same way as you go
or rather look for a solution how to be able to survive and live
longer ?
What are you doing to survive and live longer? What do you suggest people
do?
I am waitnig for the Paradise where all things will go well for me .
Instead of living you life now?
So should I not be interested when exactly that may happen ?
Why do you care since there is nothing you can do about it? People have
been claiming the end is right around the corner for 2 thousand years now.
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| User: "John B. Bothrithson" |
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01 Jan 2008 01:14:48 AM |
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On Dec 29 2007, 12:09 pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
If someone told you that in 4 years you might be most likely dead
( 50/50 chances ) what you should do ? Just go the same way as you go
or rather look for a solution how to be able to survive and live
longer ?
I am waitnig for the Paradise where all things will go well for me .
So should I not be interested when exactly that may happen ?
If you have friend child who been raped by sicko porn addicts and want
to rid
the world of these filthy jw perverts who exploits women and children,
start here:
Antonio L Santana and Norma I Santana
1064 Everett St, Camden NJ
Phone 856-968-0004
Both perverts attend the Spanish Speaking congragation of
Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ.
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| User: "John B. Bothrithson" |
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01 Jan 2008 01:14:12 AM |
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On Dec 29 2007, 10:21 am, D=E4rFl=E4ken <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:21867a60-9ba4-4152-9104-6c9f76bed4f2@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
What difference does it make when the end comes? Do you have a plan to sto=
p
it? Why do you care so much?
If you have friend who been raped by sicko porn addict and want to rid
the world of these filthy dirty perverts who exploits women and
children,
you start here:
Antonio L Santana and Norma I Santana
1064 Everett St, Camden NJ
Phone 856-968-0004
Both perverts attend the Spanish Speaking congragation of
Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ.
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| User: "John B. Bothrithson" |
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01 Jan 2008 01:13:33 AM |
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On Dec 29 2007, 1:16 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
If you have friend who been raped by sicko porn addict and want to rid
the world of these filthy perverts who exploits women and children,
start here:
Antonio L Santana and Norma I Santana
1064 Everett St, Camden NJ
Phone 856-968-0004
Both perverts attend the Spanish Speaking congragation of
Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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| Title: "OBVES" "Prediction" Already Proven Wrong |
31 Dec 2007 11:35:51 AM |
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On Dec 29, 1:16 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
According to the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said
quite clearly and incontrovertibly on more than one occasion that
there were people alive in his own time who would be alive when he
returned. Unless you can point to some 2,000 year old person living
somewhere, then this prediction from the purported son-of-a-god
himself is quite unarguably a LIE.
Internalize that before you start any more asinine threads about the
end of the world, which isn't due for about five billion years.
Got that?
Budikka
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| User: "DEE" |
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| Title: Re: "OBVES" "Prediction" Already Proven Wrong |
31 Dec 2007 11:51:51 AM |
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On Dec 31, 11:35 am, Budikka <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Dec 29, 1:16 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
According to the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said
quite clearly and incontrovertibly on more than one occasion that
there were people alive in his own time who would be alive when he
returned. Unless you can point to some 2,000 year old person living
somewhere, then this prediction from the purported son-of-a-god
himself is quite unarguably a LIE.
Internalize that before you start any more asinine threads about the
end of the world, which isn't due for about five billion years.
Got that?
Budikka
No, the generation that sees the signs is the one he is talking
about.I know the "apologists" answer is what this is, but you havent
had angels whacking false gods out of the sky ever.At least not until
this decade.
Got THAT?
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| User: "Budikka" |
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31 Dec 2007 01:31:06 PM |
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On Dec 31, 11:51 am, DEE <adravi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 31, 11:35 am, Budikka <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Dec 29, 1:16 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
According to the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said
quite clearly and incontrovertibly on more than one occasion that
there were people alive in his own time who would be alive when he
returned. Unless you can point to some 2,000 year old person living
somewhere, then this prediction from the purported son-of-a-god
himself is quite unarguably a LIE.
Internalize that before you start any more asinine threads about the
end of the world, which isn't due for about five billion years.
Got that?
Budikka
No, the generation that sees the signs is the one he is talking
about.I know the "apologists" answer is what this is, but you havent
had angels whacking false gods out of the sky ever.At least not until
this decade.
Got THAT?
You evidently don't know your Bible at all, do you now? According to
the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said the time was
"at hand". He never used those specific words unless he meant
something was truly imminent.
Let's see...
The earliest gospel, Mar 9:1 is quite categorical: "And he said unto
them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand
here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom
of God come with power."
That doesn't say "signs" it specifies Kingdom of God come with power.
It specifies those alive at the time he said it.
Mat 16:28 admittedly just a rip-off of "Mark" amplifies it: "Verily I
say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
That doesn't say "signs" it specifies Jesus coming in his kingdom. It
specifies those alive at the time he said it.
Mat 10:23 amplifies it yet further: "But when they persecute you in
this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall
not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."
There really were not many cities in Israel.
Paul, who wrote the earliest material in the NT died believing that
day was at hand: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the
day of Christ is at hand. " (2Th 2:2)
and
"But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and
watch unto prayer. " (1Pe 4:7)
What you need to do is get rid of the idiot fundies who control your
thinking and think for yourself. Don't read the Bible. Read the
Bible in the context of when it was written. Get that and you've got
it. You're not there yet.
Budikka
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| User: "John B. Bothrithson" |
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01 Jan 2008 01:19:19 AM |
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On Dec 31 2007, 1:31 pm, Budikka <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Dec 31, 11:51 am, DEE <adravi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 31, 11:35 am, Budikka <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Dec 29, 1:16 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
According to the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said
quite clearly and incontrovertibly on more than one occasion that
there were people alive in his own time who would be alive when he
returned. Unless you can point to some 2,000 year old person living
somewhere, then this prediction from the purported son-of-a-god
himself is quite unarguably a LIE.
Internalize that before you start any more asinine threads about the
end of the world, which isn't due for about five billion years.
Got that?
Budikka
No, the generation that sees the signs is the one he is talking
about.I know the "apologists" answer is what this is, but you havent
had angels whacking false gods out of the sky ever.At least not until
this decade.
Got THAT?
You evidently don't know your Bible at all, do you now? According to
the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said the time was
"at hand". He never used those specific words unless he meant
something was truly imminent.
Let's see...
The earliest gospel, Mar 9:1 is quite categorical: "And he said unto
them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand
here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom
of God come with power."
That doesn't say "signs" it specifies Kingdom of God come with power.
It specifies those alive at the time he said it.
Mat 16:28 admittedly just a rip-off of "Mark" amplifies it: "Verily I
say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
That doesn't say "signs" it specifies Jesus coming in his kingdom. It
specifies those alive at the time he said it.
Mat 10:23 amplifies it yet further: "But when they persecute you in
this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall
not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."
There really were not many cities in Israel.
Paul, who wrote the earliest material in the NT died believing that
day was at hand: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the
day of Christ is at hand. " (2Th 2:2)
and
"But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and
watch unto prayer. " (1Pe 4:7)
What you need to do is get rid of the idiot fundies who control your
thinking and think for yourself. Don't read the Bible. Read the
Bible in the context of when it was written. Get that and you've got
it. You're not there yet.
Budikka
If you have friend who been raped by sicko porn addict and want to rid
the world of these filthy perverts who exploits women and children,
start here:
Antonio L Santana and Norma I Santana
1064 Everett St, Camden NJ
Phone 856-968-0004
Both perverts attend the Spanish Speaking congragation of
Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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31 Dec 2007 07:47:19 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:35:51 -0800 (PST), Budikka
<budikka1@netscape.net> said the following:
The subject line needs to be posted every year,
since that's how often he is wrong!
The fun part is, that he keeps claiming that when
he's wrong, he's not wrong, because God told him
to say what he said in his prediction.
Yea, I'm sure God said to him; "By the way, please
make sure to screw up and give the wrong date!".
Bawahahahahaha!!! <CHUCKLE!>
On Dec 29, 1:16 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
According to the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said
quite clearly and incontrovertibly on more than one occasion that
there were people alive in his own time who would be alive when he
returned. Unless you can point to some 2,000 year old person living
somewhere, then this prediction from the purported son-of-a-god
himself is quite unarguably a LIE.
Internalize that before you start any more asinine threads about the
end of the world, which isn't due for about five billion years.
Got that?
Budikka
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The Bible says that death came by sin and sin came
by Adam (Rom 5:12; 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Evolution says lots of things lived and died before
Adam and Eve got here and therefore attempts to rule
out what the Bible says.
One or the other is right, but they can't both be right.
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| User: "M.M. Martinson" |
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01 Jan 2008 04:28:45 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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The Bible says that death came by sin and sin came
by Adam (Rom 5:12; 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Evolution says lots of things lived and died before
Adam and Eve got here and therefore attempts to rule
out what the Bible says.
One or the other is right, but they can't both be right.
So you're saying the dinosaurs never lived? The sea creatures in the
earliest rock never lived? The Neanderthals never lived? Then how is it
they left fossils all over the earth?
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| User: "John B. Bothrithson" |
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01 Jan 2008 01:17:56 AM |
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On Dec 31 2007, 7:47 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:35:51 -0800 (PST), Budikka
<budik...@netscape.net> said the following:
The subject line needs to be posted every year,
since that's how often he is wrong!
The fun part is, that he keeps claiming that when
he's wrong, he's not wrong, because God told him
to say what he said in his prediction.
Yea, I'm sure God said to him; "By the way, please
make sure to screw up and give the wrong date!".
Bawahahahahaha!!! <CHUCKLE!>
On Dec 29, 1:16 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
According to the New Fiction (aka New Testament), Jesus himself said
quite clearly and incontrovertibly on more than one occasion that
there were people alive in his own time who would be alive when he
returned. Unless you can point to some 2,000 year old person living
somewhere, then this prediction from the purported son-of-a-god
himself is quite unarguably a LIE.
Internalize that before you start any more asinine threads about the
end of the world, which isn't due for about five billion years.
Got that?
Budikka
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The Bible says that death came by sin and sin came
by Adam (Rom 5:12; 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Evolution says lots of things lived and died before
Adam and Eve got here and therefore attempts to rule
out what the Bible says.
One or the other is right, but they can't both be right.
If you have friend who has been raped by sicko porn addict jabriol and
want to rid
the world of these filthy perverts who exploits women and children,
start here:
Antonio L Santana and Norma I Santana
1064 Everett St, Camden NJ
Phone 856-968-0004
Both perverts attend the Spanish Speaking congragation of
Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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02 Jan 2008 08:41:58 PM |
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On Dec 31 2007, 7:47 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:35:51 -0800 (PST), Budikka
<budik...@netscape.net> said the following:
The subject line needs to be posted every year,
since that's how often he is wrong!
Back for your Annual Royal ***** Kicking, Disaster Dave?
Watch Pissant Dave folks - watch how fast HE RUNS AWAY right after I
start on him. Watch this. Seriously. Watch how fast he runs.
[Rest of Standard Past-It Dave Blather flushed where it belongs]
Hey, PD, what ever happened to that *scientific* discussion you
promised to anyone who came prepared to discuss the *science*
attendant upon so-called macro-evolution?
Do you recall that you offered to debate it with anyone who could
present examples and come prepared to discuss the science?
Do you remember how I provided you with SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX
examples of it and came prepared to discuss the *science*?
Do you recall how you "dismissed" (so you LIE) out-of-hand, one or two
examples, and then LIED that your case was proven and then FLED AS
FAST AS YOU COULD FROM ME? Remember how there wa sno science from
you, no discussion of the science, no support of your juvenile
assertions, no references from you, and absolutely no debate at all
before you RAN?
Remember that, PD? You did an *amazingly* authentic impersonation of
a LIMP PETER AT THE PASSION. We were all thoroughly impressed.
But the *fact* of macro-evolution never was actually *discussed*.
remember that, PD?
Well I do, and guess what? I'm still here waiting and ready to
DISCUSS THE SCIENCE ANY TIME YOU CAN FIND:
1. The guts to face me in a formal debate
and
2. The science to support your assertions! LoL!
Look me up in alt.atheism any time. Buh-bye now Pedey.
Budikka
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| User: "Gabriel" |
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| Title: Re: # BHUTTO FACTOR AND THE END OF THE WORLD # |
29 Dec 2007 07:43:40 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:16:01 -0800 (PST), "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
Her sudden death should serve a reminder to the ungodly people with
wonderful plans for tomorrow what is going to happen to them when
the end of the world comes and all of a sudden they will lose their
lives .
Find out in my posts why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction
date for the end of the evil world order. It is coming sooner or later
but using the latest understandings of the Bible I am attempting to
pinpoint the time . Setting forth the year 2011 AD alone should cause
you to think what if the prediction comes true ?
Any such predictions are unbiblical, and do harm to believers.
Matthew 24:36 KJVR
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mark 13:32 KJVR
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not
the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
It says no one knows. Just because He didn't say "No one will
ever know" does not mean he implied that there will be others
that _do_ know. You need to show elsewhere where He claims that
others will know - that's such a dramatic thing: that someone in
the future would know right alongside of God, that you need to
support it with God's Word, not an assumption that "Well He
didn't come right out and say it, so I'm allowed to say it's
true". That's identical to "Well He didn't say what you said is
true, either, so we're allowed to assume it's false." So we
clearly _need_ to look elsewhere to make such a bold claim, that
God meant people in the future will know right alongside of God.
So, keeping that in mind, you're claiming that He was only
speaking to those in the present, and was somehow implying that
people in the future would know (this is not claimed, mind you -
it's an assumption you're making). So let's look at scripture to
see if this claim is supported, or contradicted.
Acts 1:6-7 KJVR
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of
him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the
kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the
times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
So this also contradicts what you want to claim even further, in
two ways.
[1] Again, he states it's not for them to know. He doesn't put
any qualifiers on it. He clearly states that it's only for God to
know, and _no one else_.
[2] He states the Father has put in his own power. This indicates
that God doesn't want anyone to know, past, present or future, as
He has put it in His power alone. He didn't say "the Father hath
put in his own power, and in the power of people in the future".
But let's look further:
Matthew 24:36-39 KJVR
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming
of the Son of man be.
The coming of the Son of man shall be similar to the days of
Noah.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were
eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the
day that Noah entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all
away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"They knew not until the flood came" and "so shall also the
coming of the Son of man be". This clearly shows that we will not
know until Jesus comes that he's coming. We will know not until
Christ actually comes, much like they knew not until the flood
physically came.
As if that's not enough, let's look further:
If someone told me a thief was planning on coming in the night to
rob my house someday in the future, and I stayed up every single
night and kept watch, what happens? Am I surprised when the thief
comes? Not at all - I was ready. Those who are not ready would
get robbed. But did I know exactly when he would come? What exact
hour? No. Day? No. Month? No, and so on. I only knew he was
coming. Maybe he came that night. Maybe he didn't come for
months or years. But when he came, I was ready, (as God says we
should be), but that's all.
As if that's not enough, let's look further:
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 KJVR
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so
cometh as a thief in the night.
So we will be ready, watching.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden
destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child;
and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day
should overtake you as a thief.
We were ready, because we're not in darkness, but this in no way
means we knew when the thief was coming - we were just ready for
it, so really the thief will not be a negative experience for us,
because we're ready, and it won't overtake us in a negative way.
But it doesn't mean we knew when He was coming.
Then you refer to signs, saying it's these signs that tell us
He's coming. The only thing signs tell us is the time of an event
is _potentially_ near (assuming we even read the signs properly).
But let's see what the Lord thinks about time:
2 Peter 3:8 KJVR
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one
day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as
one day.
So 'near' to the Lord could easily be a thousand years off, a
thousand months off, a thousand weeks off, a thousand days off.
As in the days of Noah, "And knew not until the flood came, and
took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man
be." We will know not until Christ comes. Even Noah didn't know
the day -
So as you can see, the idea that any of us can claim to know when
Christ will return is contradicted in numerous ways in God's
Word.
And now let's look at Matthew 24:
Matthew 24:3 KJVR
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples
came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things
be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of
the world?
So the rest of these versus Jesus is talking specifically and
privately to his _disciples_! To those who are saved!
Matthew 24:42-50 KJVR
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord
doth come.
He's telling his _disciples_ they know not when He comes.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had
known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched,
and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Correct. He would have been _ready_, for this thief that could
come at any time in the night, because you were watching the
whole night.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye
think not the Son of man cometh.
Again, he tells them. An hour _as ye think NOT_. He clearly
indicates here they will have no idea He will be coming when He
does.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord
hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due
season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh
shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over
all his goods.
Those who kept watch and were ready when Christ came are faithful
servants. But this still took place in a time they thought _not_,
which is part of what makes them so faithful.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My
lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat
and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he
looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
The good servants were subject to Christ coming when they think
_NOT_, but were ready. The evil servant is also subject to Christ
coming when they think not, when they are not aware of, but they
_looketh not for him_, which is the difference between the good
and evil servants.
Those who set a specific time, a prediction, for Christ's return
are not only being unbiblical, but are doing saved people an
injustice.
And if He came tomorrow, or any time before their predicted time,
because of false teachings like this, a great many people who
would have been otherwise watching will not be watching at all,
thinking He wasn't going to come until that time.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye
think not the Son of man cometh.
Which God said to faithful followers! Please follow God's Word,
as it contradicts anyone claiming they can figure out when Christ
will return.
gabriel
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The problem is that you misinterpret the Bible. The fact that we have
such details concerning the end of the world in the Bible is already
testifying you are wrong. What would be the purpose of giving of signs
if we were not to recognize them and have no idea when the end of the
world comes ?
Read Matthew 24.48-50 who will not know the time !
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29 Dec 2007 03:44:56 PM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
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The problem is that you misinterpret the Bible. The fact that we have
such details concerning the end of the world in the Bible is already
testifying you are wrong.
How can he be wrong when he quoted right from the bible? Are you saying the
bible is wrong? Lying? Only YOU know the truth?
What would be the purpose of giving of signs
if we were not to recognize them and have no idea when the end of the
world comes ?
Read Matthew 24.48-50 who will not know the time !
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03 Jan 2008 08:56:27 PM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" <OBVES@aol.com> wrote in news:aa4d2648-d4a7-46f1-b557-
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The problem is that you misinterpret the Bible. The fact that we have
such details concerning the end of the world in the Bible is already
testifying you are wrong. What would be the purpose of giving of signs
if we were not to recognize them and have no idea when the end of the
world comes ?
Read Matthew 24.48-50 who will not know the time !
So where can we find you on Jan 1, 2012 for the obligatory ritual
lapidation?
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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29 Dec 2007 02:25:07 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:04:50 -0800 (PST), "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
The problem is that you misinterpret the Bible. The fact that we have
such details concerning the end of the world in the Bible is already
testifying you are wrong. What would be the purpose of giving of signs
if we were not to recognize them and have no idea when the end of the
world comes ?
Read Matthew 24.48-50 who will not know the time !
I showed you what this verse is saying (and not saying according
to you) by looking at other verses that indicate this.
Go back and refute the verses I clearly point out that you
contradict, rather than just giving your opinion. I showed you
numerous verses that contradict you. You ignore all of that and
offer merely your opinion that "you're right". Sorry, but the
Word of God takes higher priority than just an opinion. The fact
that you want to ignore all the verses I pointed to that
contradict your claims shows you're well aware of the
contradiction, but are intent on holding onto your doctrine
anyway. :-( Prove that wrong by addressing those verses please.
Thank you.
gabriel
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29 Dec 2007 07:35:34 PM |
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Gabriel wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:04:50 -0800 (PST), "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
The problem is that you misinterpret the Bible. The fact that we have
such details concerning the end of the world in the Bible is already
testifying you are wrong. What would be the purpose of giving of signs
if we were not to recognize them and have no idea when the end of the
world comes ?
Read Matthew 24.48-50 who will not know the time !
I showed you what this verse is saying (and not saying according
to you) by looking at other verses that indicate this.
Go back and refute the verses I clearly point out that you
contradict, rather than just giving your opinion. I showed you
numerous verses that contradict you. You ignore all of that and
offer merely your opinion that "you're right". Sorry, but the
Word of God takes higher priority than just an opinion. The fact
that you want to ignore all the verses I pointed to that
contradict your claims shows you're well aware of the
contradiction, but are intent on holding onto your doctrine
anyway. :-( Prove that wrong by addressing those verses please.
Thank you.
gabriel
We know he can't refute it scripturally. He's just another false
prophet wanting some attention.
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29 Dec 2007 09:50:39 PM |
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"Linda Lee" <lindagirl444@juno.com> wrote in message
news:cdc06035-e89a-4683-bebd-d17ed67df81e@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
We know he can't refute it scripturally. He's just another false
prophet wanting some attention.
He also admitted to having an alcohol problem a few years back but refuses
to go to AA meetings. His whole life is working and sitting in his room
waiting for Armageddon. It's really very sad.
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01 Jan 2008 01:16:07 AM |
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On Dec 29 2007, 9:50 pm, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:cdc06035-e89a-4683-bebd-d17ed67df81e@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
We know he can't refute it scripturally. He's just another false
prophet wanting some attention.
He also admitted to having an alcohol problem a few years back but refuses
to go to AA meetings. His whole life is working and sitting in his room
waiting for Armageddon. It's really very sad.
If you have friends who been raped by sicko porn addict Jabriol and
want to rid
the world of these filthy perverts who exploits women and children,
start here:
Antonio L Santana and Norma I Santana
1064 Everett St, Camden NJ
Phone 856-968-0004
Both perverts attend the Spanish Speaking congragation of
Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ.
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| User: "" |
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29 Dec 2007 09:34:03 PM |
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I am very much into the end time prophecies and I have devoted many
years to this matter. My whole life is hanging on the end time
predictions to underscore how I am devoted to this subject. Read my
numerous posts I wrote on the predictions.
This year alone I could be dead in accidents on a few occasions .This
already is suffiecient to be on the constant watch to be ready to meet
God . You too don't want when you can die it may be tomorrow . It
applies to all living people . So,why God Yahweh have us signs that
are to precede the return of the Messiah ? What was the purpose to
give signs if God wants us not to know time when that happens ? If I
wanted to keep it secret I would not give the slightest sign to
anybody ! If God Yahweh wanted so He would do the same and in a very
perfect secret way ! But we have the signs in the Bible and they are
there on purpose.
Noah knew the time when God was going to destroy evildoers ! Jesus
said the times of the end will be like it was in Noah's days ! Noah
had 120 years to bulid the ark . He knew the end would not come untill
the ark was ready and people watching Noah could know the end would
not come as the ark was not yet finished . So why they were caught
surprised ? Because they did not believe on God's message : Genesis
6.3 : there were 120 years left for them ! They heard the message but
not believed that message - they were not acting on the message
properly !
The same is gonna happen if my prediction comes true .I am saying as I
understand the Bible that the year 2011 AD might be the year when
God Yahweh will destroy evildoers from the face of the earth the way I
understand the Bible. Most christian religions will cease to exist as
their followers will be annihilated. It will happen sooner or later if
my prediction failes for the year 2011 AD.
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| User: "Kathy" |
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29 Dec 2007 09:59:35 PM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:5f2d3c1d-5d1b-407a-a994-163c45901ab2@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
I am very much into the end time prophecies and I have devoted many
years to this matter. My whole life is hanging on the end time
predictions to underscore how I am devoted to this subject. Read my
numerous posts I wrote on the predictions.
This is because you choose to have NO LIFE! Rather than make an effort to
do something with yourself you sit helplessly pawing over your bible waiting
for God to come rescue you, and give you a wife. You make no effort to help
yourself.
This year alone I could be dead in accidents on a few occasions .This
already is suffiecient to be on the constant watch to be ready to meet
God . You too don't want when you can die it may be tomorrow . It
applies to all living people . So,why God Yahweh have us signs that
are to precede the return of the Messiah ? What was the purpose to
give signs if God wants us not to know time when that happens ?
It's just a time frame but you refuse to accept that.
If I
wanted to keep it secret I would not give the slightest sign to
anybody ! If God Yahweh wanted so He would do the same and in a very
perfect secret way ! But we have the signs in the Bible and they are
there on purpose.
Noah knew the time when God was going to destroy evildoers ! Jesus
said the times of the end will be like it was in Noah's days ! Noah
had 120 years to bulid the ark . He knew the end would not come untill
the ark was ready and people watching Noah could know the end would
not come as the ark was not yet finished . So why they were caught
surprised ?
It's been shown the flood never happened. The is no evidence of a worldwide
flood.
Because they did not believe on God's message : Genesis
6.3 : there were 120 years left for them ! They heard the message but
not believed that message - they were not acting on the message
properly !
The same is gonna happen if my prediction comes true .I am saying as I
understand the Bible that the year 2011 AD might be the year when
God Yahweh will destroy evildoers from the face of the earth the way I
understand the Bible. Most christian religions will cease to exist as
their followers will be annihilated. It will happen sooner or later if
my prediction failes for the year 2011 AD.
You really need professional help. You're throwing your life away.
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29 Dec 2007 11:25:08 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:59:35 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
wrote:
[ .. ]
It's been shown the flood never happened. The is no evidence of a worldwide
flood.
Although I disagree with OBVES about this claim to knowing when
Christ will return,I disagree with you on this point.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n4/geologic-evidences-part-one
"This article provides an overview of six geologic evidences for
the Genesis Flood, and in a series of six articles to follow,
each geologic evidence will be elaborated upon. "
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| User: "Kathy" |
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30 Dec 2007 11:52:53 AM |
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"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mraen3phrv13ssnd4gjcr5h5sq0a3op981@4ax.com...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:59:35 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
wrote:
[ .. ]
It's been shown the flood never happened. The is no evidence of a
worldwide
flood.
Although I disagree with OBVES about this claim to knowing when
Christ will return,I disagree with you on this point.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n4/geologic-evidences-part-one
Hi, This is a religious site that provides no scientific evidence that the
earth was completely covered in water in some supernatural flood, or where
that water went afterward. It provides no scientific evidence of an ARK or
how one family could care for hundreds of thousands of animals, birds,
insects, reptiles etc. There is no scientific evidence to show what the
animals ate after the flood when the earth had no living vegetation for the
herbivores and nothing for the carnivores to eat but the other animals in
the Ark. Please provide a site that provides scientific evidence, not
religious beliefs. Thanks.......
"This article provides an overview of six geologic evidences for
the Genesis Flood, and in a series of six articles to follow,
each geologic evidence will be elaborated upon. "
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| User: "Gabriel" |
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31 Dec 2007 09:32:13 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:52:53 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mraen3phrv13ssnd4gjcr5h5sq0a3op981@4ax.com...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:59:35 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
wrote:
[ .. ]
It's been shown the flood never happened. The is no evidence of a
worldwide
flood.
Although I disagree with OBVES about this claim to knowing when
Christ will return,I disagree with you on this point.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n4/geologic-evidences-part-one
Hi, This is a religious site that provides no scientific evidence that the
earth was completely covered in water in some supernatural flood,
The evidences is right there
* Fossils _high_ above sea level.
* Rapid burial of plants and animals all over the world
* Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across _vast_ areas
* Sediment transported _long_ distances
* Rapid or no erosion between layers, indicating continued
deposit of one layer after another, not millions of years between
layers as they claim
These things point to more than just flood, but also the height
and size of the flood. You're free to try to discredit what
evidence scientists have found. Or I suppose you can just ignore
this evidence.
or where
that water went afterward.
The oceans could easily have been deepened. Do we know this
scientifically? I haven't checked into it. But it's certainly one
possible way to explain why the water subsided from land.
It provides no scientific evidence of an ARK or
Because they can't find the boat, this does not invalidate what
the scientific evidence points to about a world-wide flood as
shown above. Or anything else you're going to point out from the
Word of God.
how one family could care for hundreds of thousands of animals, birds,
insects, reptiles etc.
There is no scientific evidence to show what the
animals ate after the flood when the earth had no living vegetation for the
herbivores and nothing for the carnivores to eat but the other animals in
the Ark. Please provide a site that provides scientific evidence, not
religious beliefs. Thanks.......
It's fascinating that you, an atheist (I presume?), now try to
use the Word of God to discredit scientific evidence that points
to a world-wide flood. Focus on the evidence for a world-wide
flood. This particular evidence points to that and cannot be
denied, even if you don't agree with what else a world-wide flood
implies.
gabriel
"This article provides an overview of six geologic evidences for
the Genesis Flood, and in a series of six articles to follow,
each geologic evidence will be elaborated upon. "
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| User: "Kathy" |
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31 Dec 2007 11:04:43 AM |
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"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:52:53 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
Hi, This is a religious site that provides no scientific evidence that the
earth was completely covered in water in some supernatural flood,
The evidences is right there
That's not scientific evidence. That's someone's "opinion."
* Fossils _high_ above sea level.
You didn't know how Mountains rose over millions of years? They take their
fossils with them. You should have had that in school.
* Rapid burial of plants and animals all over the world
And at all different time periods and over millions of years. The magic
flood for which there is no evidence lasted about a year. This too you
should have had that in school.
* Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across _vast_ areas
And at all different time periods and over millions of years. I notice the
site doesn't mention that. They want people to believe it all happened is
less than a year.
* Sediment transported _long_ distances
And at all different time periods and over millions of years. I notice the
site doesn't mention that
* Rapid or no erosion between layers, indicating continued
deposit of one layer after another, not millions of years between
layers as they claim
Which proves the layers have nothing to do with a whirlwind worldwide flood.
These things point to more than just flood, but also the height
and size of the flood. You're free to try to discredit what
evidence scientists have found. Or I suppose you can just ignore
this evidence.
This is not scientific evidence. It's someone's opinion who wants you to
believe there was a worldwide flood that lasted a year and left the earth a
stinking mud covered barren mess. There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence for such
a thing.
or where
that water went afterward.
The oceans could easily have been deepened. Do we know this
scientifically? I haven't checked into it. But it's certainly one
possible way to explain why the water subsided from land.
There is no evidence the oceans magically deepened to take water miles deept
that covered the earth. It's someone's opinion who wants you to believe
there was a worldwide flood that lasted a year and left the earth a stinking
mud covered barren mess. There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence for such a thing.
It provides no scientific evidence of an ARK or
Because they can't find the boat, this does not invalidate what
the scientific evidence points to about a world-wide flood as
shown above. Or anything else you're going to point out from the
Word of God.
You showed us no SCIENTIFIC evidence for a worldwide flood that lasted a
year and left the earth a stinking mud covered barren mess. There is no
SCIENTIFIC evidence for such a thing. Where is your SCIENTIFIC site with
peered reviewed articles on the proof or evidence of such a flood or how a
handful of people captured, transported, fed and removed billions of gallons
of urine and feces from an Ark? Where and how did they store billions of
tons of fresh water and food for all the animals? Forget religious
non-scientific websites please.
how one family could care for hundreds of thousands of animals, birds,
insects, reptiles etc.
There is no scientific evidence to show what the
animals ate after the flood when the earth had no living vegetation for
the
herbivores and nothing for the carnivores to eat but the other animals in
the Ark. Please provide a site that provides scientific evidence, not
religious beliefs. Thanks.......
It's fascinating that you, an atheist (I presume?), now try to
use the Word of God to discredit scientific evidence that points
to a world-wide flood.
What scientific evidence? You sent me to a religious site where all I saw
was OPINIONS and all on one page with not one peer reviewed article on the
evidence for a worldwide flood. You also did *NOT* answer the question of
how a handful of people captured, transported, fed and removed billions of
gallons of urine and feces from an Ark with hundreds of thousands of animals
on it. Where and how did they store billions of tons of fresh water and
food for all the animals? Forget religious non-scientific websites please.
Focus on the evidence for a world-wide
flood. This particular evidence points to that and cannot be
denied, even if you don't agree with what else a world-wide flood
implies.
Where is the SCIENTIFIC evidence?
gabriel
"This article provides an overview of six geologic evidences for
the Genesis Flood, and in a series of six articles to follow,
each geologic evidence will be elaborated upon. "
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31 Dec 2007 02:36:49 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:04:43 -0600, "Kathy"
<dorunday_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Atheists will not appreciate you adding alt.atheism to this
discussion. Removing it.
"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2in39thgocpo1lt5pg8400fq3lqoks3b@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:52:53 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
Hi, This is a religious site that provides no scientific evidence that the
earth was completely covered in water in some supernatural flood,
The evidences is right there
That's not scientific evidence. That's someone's "opinion."
* Fossils _high_ above sea level.
You didn't know how Mountains rose over millions of years? They take their
fossils with them. You should have had that in school.
Where's the proof of this? Did anyone observe a mountain rising
thousands of feet? While I can respect that you want to believe
this, this opinion does not refute the fact of fossils are found
high above sea level.
* Rapid burial of plants and animals all over the world
And at all different time periods and over millions of years.
Rapid burial does not mean 'over millions of years'.
The magic
flood for which there is no evidence lasted about a year. This too you
should have had that in school.
* Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across _vast_ areas
Rapid burial does not mean 'over millions of years'.
And at all different time periods and over millions of years. I notice the
site doesn't mention that. They want people to believe it all happened is
less than a year.
* Sediment transported _long_ distances
And at all different time periods and over millions of years.
Sediment isn't transported _long distances_ over millions of
years. Floods, however, can do this, and do it quickly. Clearly
this sediment transported over _long_ distances is evidence of a
quick event that accomplished this.
I notice the
site doesn't mention that
* Rapid or no erosion between layers, indicating continued
deposit of one layer after another, not millions of years between
layers as they claim
Which proves the layers have nothing to do with a whirlwind worldwide flood.
How so? The rapid deposit of one layer after another is evidence
of something much like a flood would accomplish. Certainly it
contradicts the opinion that it was done over millions of years.
These things point to more than just flood, but also the height
and size of the flood. You're free to try to discredit what
evidence scientists have found. Or I suppose you can just ignore
this evidence.
This is not scientific evidence.
I'm sorry but it is. It's evidence that's observable and
verifiable - you can physically go observe the evidence yourself
if you so wish.
Unfortunately you don't like what this evidence points to, but
you cannot factor your prejudices into science if you want it to
remain science. It clearly points to an epic flood. You don't
need to admit it's the flood of the Bible, as science can't
really prove this, but you can't deny that it's clearly evidence
of some "unknown to science" epic flood.
It's someone's opinion who wants you to
believe there was a worldwide flood that lasted a year and left the earth a
stinking mud covered barren mess. There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence for such
a thing.
or where
that water went afterward.
The oceans could easily have been deepened. Do we know this
scientifically? I haven't checked into it. But it's certainly one
possible way to explain why the water subsided from land.
There is no evidence the oceans magically deepened to take water miles deept
that covered the earth.
No? So you have evidence that the ocean floor stayed exactly how
deep as it always was since the beginning? Please provide such
evidence.
Meanwhile you seem to believe something far less likely: that
mountains were raised by thousands of feet. Why so difficult for
you to believe instead that the ocean floors were deepened to
lower the water?
In the meantime, I was offering a _potential_ explanation for
where the water could have went, that you asked for.
But let's not stray from the evidence that, from a purely
scientific viewpoint, there was some 'unknown' flood in the past
of truly epic proportions, very potentially world-wide.
It's someone's opinion who wants you to believe
there was a worldwide flood that lasted a year and left the earth a stinking
mud covered barren mess. There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence for such a thing.
You were just shown the evidence quite plainly; observable,
verifiable evidence. This qualifies as scientific any day.
You may not want to agree with what this evidence points to, but
you can't just deny the evidence existing just because you can't
explain it away to your own satisfaction.
Since you've shown you can't refute what the evidence is pointing
to, we'll end it here. If you want to discredit what this
evidence shows, you'll have to go find other evidence that
refutes it. Take care.
gabriel
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31 Dec 2007 09:50:22 PM |
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"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8jiin3tkpsqf71su4sfeci4tiep5pf6nnv@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:04:43 -0600, "Kathy"
<dorunday_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Atheists will not appreciate you adding alt.atheism to this
discussion. Removing it.
"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2in39thgocpo1lt5pg8400fq3lqoks3b@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:52:53 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
Hi, This is a religious site that provides no scientific evidence that
the
earth was completely covered in water in some supernatural flood,
The evidences is right there
That's not scientific evidence. That's someone's "opinion."
* Fossils _high_ above sea level.
You didn't know how Mountains rose over millions of years? They take
their
fossils with them. You should have had that in school.
Where's the proof of this?
The rock record makes it clear. As the earth's plates move upward the
fossils move upward with the rocks.
Did anyone observe a mountain rising
thousands of feet?
Did anyone witness a magical fantastical creation or an Ark with hundreds of
thousands of animals and all their food and water on board?
While I can respect that you want to believe
this, this opinion does not refute the fact of fossils are found
high above sea level.
Which does not mean a worldwide flood that left the earth a stinking
plantless mass of decomposing corpses and mud.
* Rapid burial of plants and animals all over the world
And at all different time periods and over millions of years.
Rapid burial does not mean 'over millions of years'.
The rock record shows animals were fossilized over millions of years - not
in one time period during the Bronze Age as you're claiming. There is no
evidence of a worldwide flood or it would have been found by those who study
such things.
The magic
flood for which there is no evidence lasted about a year. This too you
should have had that in school.
* Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across _vast_ areas
Rapid burial does not mean 'over millions of years'.
The rock record shows animals were fossilized over millions of years - not
in one time period during the Bronze Age as you're claiming. There is no
evidence of a worldwide flood or it would have been found by those who study
such things.
And at all different time periods and over millions of years. I notice the
site doesn't mention that. They want people to believe it all happened is
less than a year.
* Sediment transported _long_ distances
And at all different time periods and over millions of years.
Sediment isn't transported _long distances_ over millions of
years. Floods, however, can do this, and do it quickly. Clearly
this sediment transported over _long_ distances is evidence of a
quick event that accomplished this.
The rock record clearly shows the dinosaurs and simpler and simpler
creatures were fossilized over millions of years.
I notice the
site doesn't mention that
* Rapid or no erosion between layers, indicating continued
deposit of one layer after another, not millions of years between
layers as they claim
Which proves the layers have nothing to do with a whirlwind worldwide
flood.
How so? The rapid deposit of one layer after another is evidence
of something much like a flood would accomplish.
What rapid deposits? They layers that took millions of years to form. If it
happened in one flood there would be one layer, not many. You should have
had this in school. Were you home schooled? Only those who were show such
ignorance.
Certainly it
contradicts the opinion that it was done over millions of years.
These things point to more than just flood, but also the height
and size of the flood. You're free to try to discredit what
evidence scientists have found. Or I suppose you can just ignore
this evidence.
This is not scientific evidence.
I'm sorry but it is. It's evidence that's observable and
verifiable - you can physically go observe the evidence yourself
if you so wish.
Who verified it? Which group of scientists, geologists etc? From which
University? Who peer reviewed it? What scientific journals is it written
up in?
Unfortunately you don't like what this evidence points to, but
you cannot factor your prejudices into science if you want it to
remain science. It clearly points to an epic flood.
It clearly points to layers and layers put down over millions of years. Why
haven't you answered the questions about the Ark?
You don't
need to admit it's the flood of the Bible, as science can't
really prove this, but you can't deny that it's clearly evidence
of some "unknown to science" epic flood.
It was indeed an epic and *LOCAL flood*, not a worldwide flood that left the
earth a stinking mass of mud and rotting corpses.
It's someone's opinion who wants you to
believe there was a worldwide flood that lasted a year and left the earth
a
stinking mud covered barren mess. There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence for
such
a thing.
or where
that water went afterward.
The oceans could easily have been deepened. Do we know this
scientifically? I haven't checked into it. But it's certainly one
possible way to explain why the water subsided from land.
There is no evidence the oceans magically deepened to take water miles
deept
that covered the earth.
No? So you have evidence that the ocean floor stayed exactly how
deep as it always was since the beginning? Please provide such
evidence.
Please provide evidence that the rock amd soil ocean floor can and did
magically vanish to make space for miles of water.
Meanwhile you seem to believe something far less likely: that
mountains were raised by thousands of feet. Why so difficult for
you to believe instead that the ocean floors were deepened to
lower the water?
Because the earth's plates cause the mountains to rise which you should have
learned in school. That's how mountains form. The ocean doesn't magically
toss huge tons of soil and rock into outer space.
In the meantime, I was offering a _potential_ explanation for
where the water could have went, that you asked for.
It's not a scientific or even reasonable explination since the ocean can't
heave earth out into space to make way for water.
But let's not stray from the evidence that, from a purely
scientific viewpoint, there was some 'unknown' flood in the past
of truly epic proportions, very potentially world-wide.
There is no evidence whatsoever the flood was worldwide. Why do you insist
there is?
It's someone's opinion who wants you to believe
there was a worldwide flood that lasted a year and left the earth a
stinking
mud covered barren mess. There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence for such a
thing.
You were just shown the evidence quite plainly; observable,
verifiable evidence. This qualifies as scientific any day.
You may not want to agree with what this evidence points to, but
you can't just deny the evidence existing just because you can't
explain it away to your own satisfaction.
What evidence? You gave me someone's beliefs, not scientific evidence of
the ocean somehow tossing out huge sections of earth and rock to make room
for water.
Since you've shown you can't refute what the evidence is pointing
to, we'll end it here. If you want to discredit what this
evidence shows, you'll have to go find other evidence that
refutes it. Take care.
What evidence? You've show me nothing but what YOU believe from some
religious site with nothing scientific to back it. And you refuse to even
mention the Ark full of hundreds of thousands of animals.......
gabriel
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