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01 Oct 2004 12:29:56 PM |
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??? about The Passion of Christ |
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
· when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
· when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
· a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
01 Oct 2004 05:20:56 PM |
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wrote:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
ž when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
===>NO
ž when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
===>NO
And it is not really an insult.
And the men were no "thieves" but LESTAI, i.e. ZEALOT REBELS,
as was Jesus, their leader.
The other man states that they were under the same sentence
of condemnation!
ž a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies.
===>This is not in the biblical stories, either.
I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
===>That would have been less dramatic.
Curtains tearing are more common than buildings splitting.
BTW, it is interesting that a passage in Josephus 14.12.3
written before the Gospel was produced,
alludes to events such as a darkness
which came upon the land
following the death of Julius Caesar!
It seems the author of "Luke" adapted a lot of his material
from Josephus. -- L.
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| User: "Martin Edwards" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
02 Oct 2004 02:36:43 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
dh_ld@nomail.com wrote:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
ž when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
===>NO
ž when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
===>NO
And it is not really an insult.
And the men were no "thieves" but LESTAI, i.e. ZEALOT REBELS,
as was Jesus, their leader.
The other man states that they were under the same sentence
of condemnation!
ž a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies.
===>This is not in the biblical stories, either.
I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
===>That would have been less dramatic.
Curtains tearing are more common than buildings splitting.
BTW, it is interesting that a passage in Josephus 14.12.3
written before the Gospel was produced,
alludes to events such as a darkness
which came upon the land
following the death of Julius Caesar!
It seems the author of "Luke" adapted a lot of his material
from Josephus. -- L.
A lot of the stuff in TPOTC comes from visions of various Roman Catholic
saints over the centuries. Interestingly making it in Latin and Aramaic
only was a howler. If there was a Jesus his first language would have
been Aramaic. Pilate's first language was Latin; but, if they had a
conversation it would have been in Greek.
--
You can't fool me: there ain't no Sanity Clause. -Chico Marx
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1955
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
02 Oct 2004 10:15:37 AM |
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Martin Edwards wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
dh_ld@nomail.com wrote:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
ž when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
===>NO
ž when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
===>NO
And it is not really an insult.
And the men were no "thieves" but LESTAI, i.e. ZEALOT REBELS,
as was Jesus, their leader.
The other man states that they were under the same sentence
of condemnation!
ž a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies.
===>This is not in the biblical stories, either.
I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
===>That would have been less dramatic.
Curtains tearing are more common than buildings splitting.
BTW, it is interesting that a passage in Josephus 14.12.3
written before the Gospel was produced,
alludes to events such as a darkness
which came upon the land
following the death of Julius Caesar!
It seems the author of "Luke" adapted a lot of his material
from Josephus. -- L.
A lot of the stuff in TPOTC comes from visions of various Roman Catholic
saints over the centuries. Interestingly making it in Latin and Aramaic
only was a howler. If there was a Jesus his first language would have
been Aramaic. Pilate's first language was Latin; but, if they had a
conversation it would have been in Greek.
--
You can't fool me: there ain't no Sanity Clause. -Chico Marx
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1955
===>KALI MERA.
Nice pictures.
Have you been to Ephesus (Efes/Kushadasi)?
What languages? -- L.
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| User: "Martin Edwards" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
03 Oct 2004 02:21:29 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
===>KALI MERA.
Nice pictures.
Have you been to Ephesus (Efes/Kushadasi)?
What languages? -- L.
Yes. Get the minibus to Selcuk and get off just before. French,
German, Russian, Greek, Turkish, Punjabi
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You can't fool me: there ain't no Sanity Clause. -Chico Marx
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1955
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
03 Oct 2004 06:26:30 PM |
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Martin Edwards wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
===>KALI MERA.
Nice pictures.
Have you been to Ephesus (Efes/Kushadasi)?
What languages? -- L.
Yes. Get the minibus to Selcuk and get off just before. French,
German, Russian, Greek, Turkish, Punjabi
===>Home of my favorite philosopher, Herakleitos.
(I never heard Punjabi. SImilar to Hindi?)
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| User: "Martin Edwards" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
04 Oct 2004 12:54:02 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
===>KALI MERA.
Nice pictures.
Have you been to Ephesus (Efes/Kushadasi)?
What languages? -- L.
Yes. Get the minibus to Selcuk and get off just before. French,
German, Russian, Greek, Turkish, Punjabi
===>Home of my favorite philosopher, Herakleitos.
(I never heard Punjabi. SImilar to Hindi?)
Yes. North West India. The written form is tied up with Sikhism, but
the spoken form is also the biggest spoken langiage in Pakista.
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You can't fool me: there ain't no Sanity Clause. -Chico Marx
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1955
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
01 Oct 2004 09:51:16 PM |
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wrote:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
· when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
· when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
· a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
"Wake up - good morning, rub your eyes"
......then maybe you wll understand what you are writing about is
nothing but early fable and mythology.
"Answer your question? I hope so."
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
05 Oct 2004 02:49:39 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:29:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, yodeled:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
· when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
· when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
· a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
ALL of those things are in the Bible.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/}
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: ??? about The Passion of Christ |
05 Oct 2004 03:53:56 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:29:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, yodeled:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
ž when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
ž when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
ž a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
ALL of those things are in the Bible.
===>For one calling himself "Pastor", you are quite illiterate
about the Bible! ("Those things" are NOT in the Bible). -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Oct 2004 07:23:17 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:53:56 -0600, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> yodeled:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:29:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, yodeled:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
ž when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
ž when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
ž a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
ALL of those things are in the Bible.
===>For one calling himself "Pastor", you are quite illiterate
about the Bible! ("Those things" are NOT in the Bible). -- L.
Lib, prove it.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/}
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2004 10:58:31 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:53:56 -0600, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> yodeled:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:29:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, yodeled:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
ž when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
ž when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
ž a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
ALL of those things are in the Bible.
===>For one calling himself "Pastor", you are quite illiterate
about the Bible! ("Those things" are NOT in the Bible). -- L.
Lib, prove it.
===>The proof is owed by you!
Cite the loci. -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Oct 2004 10:32:25 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:53:56 -0600, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> yodeled:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:29:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, yodeled:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
ž when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
ž when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
ž a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
ALL of those things are in the Bible.
===>For one calling himself "Pastor", you are quite illiterate
about the Bible! ("Those things" are NOT in the Bible). -- L.
Lib, the imposter is back.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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03 Oct 2004 07:13:55 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:29:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, yodeled:
It's probably all old news for many of you by now, but I didn't
get around to watching it until recently. I was of the impression
that it's supposed to follow what the Bible says fairly accurately,
and I'm wondering about some things.
· when Jesus is praying before he is taken prisoner, a being
shows up and starts telling him: "No one man can carry this
burden... Saving their souls is too costly...". Is all that in the
Bible?
· when they are being crucified, one of the thieves insults
Jesus and shortly a Raven comes along and eats his eye
out...is that in the Bible?
· a building (the temple?) splits due to an earthquake right
after Jesus dies. I remember the curtain tearing, but did
a building split in half? If not, it would have been better for
a couple of reasons to have shown the curtain tearing in
the movie, imo.
None of those things are in the Bible. Call it
artistic license. :)
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"If you don't want to reap the fruits of sin,
sta
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