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30 May 2006 02:48:05 PM |
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@ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
I am touching on one of the most complex issues of our times .
You may think it is no issue at all but by going the way I am
presenting
it we are dealing with the opposite .
Never in the history of mankind a person who was chosen by God
of Israel ,being thusly of the true faith ,could be a false prophet at
the
same time ! One excludes the other possibility !
If it can be established based on the Bible- in a very reasonable
way -
there is one true religion it is impossible to call someone of that
true
one religion a false prophet .We would not have the true religion at
all !
I am absolutely convinced there are true christians today as I was
able
prove the Bible is for our times just as its words were for the
believers
that lived up to 150 AD or 70 AD.
That means we might have a gap - a very long period between
150 AD and 1878 AD - when there was no true christian church
in existence . So ,we can assume the Bible is for the first christians
and
for the end time generations.
If the end-time generations there must be people who hold the true
doctrines of the Bible and it is inconceievable that those people could
not able to pinpoint the end times in a very precise manner ,without
making predictions !
So ,if we live in the end times we must look for people who give
the predictions of the coming the Messiah and the end of the world.
How can a true beliver not know about the timing of such great events
!
So , now I know for sure that I should not be interested in christian
religions that have no idea when Jesus Christ is coming .
If they stay away from the predictions I can know I must stay away
from such group of christians .
Making the predictions is one of the best indicators where one can
find the true christianity !
On this one very basis I can reject most of the christian churches
that are in existence today.
The message of the end of the world was inseperably linked
to the messages of the Good News Christ and his disciples taught.
The same must be with the present true christians if there such
in our times.
So ,now we know that we can look for those who make predictions
using the Bible the best way God accepts .
We must have a clear picture of the end times in front of us .
The dates must be dazzling and causing an awe in us before
the Creator giving Him due glory and worship.
When I look at dates they must speak for themselves and be special
and also I must have a good reasonable explanation why the date was
set forth and why the end has not yet come as predicted.
If I know a given group or a person has the true religion that can be
proven using the Bible I cannot call that person a false prophet
because his prediction had failed.
There must be another explanation to that which those of the true
religion can only give .
We don't listen to the opinions of those who deny the Bible and call
true christians false prophets !
They don't know what they are talking about , being in darkeness .
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| User: "le ténébreux" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
30 May 2006 05:51:36 PM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
Never in the history of mankind a person who was chosen by God
of Israel ,being thusly of the true faith ,could be a false prophet at
the same time ! One excludes the other possibility !
You keep saying this, but I don't understand where you get it from.
Why would Deuteronomy 13 warn the Israelites that false prophets
could arise amongst them (even their own family) if it wasn't
possible for an Israelite to be a false prophet?
And why would Deuteronomy 18 tell them to look at the prophecies
afterwards to see if it came true or not, if this was irrelevant?
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Charli=EB?=" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
31 May 2006 09:47:04 AM |
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"le ténébreux" <prince.d'aquitaine@tour.abolie> wrote in message
news:447ccc77$0$7294$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
Why would Deuteronomy 13 warn the Israelites that false prophets
could arise amongst them (even their own family) if it wasn't
possible for an Israelite to be a false prophet?
And why would Deuteronomy 18 tell them to look at the prophecies
afterwards to see if it came true or not, if this was irrelevant?
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OBVES is convinced that when a prediction or prophesy DOES NOT come true
that means they're the real true prophets like the WTS's GB. Since they've
been 100% wrong he thinks they're the true prophets. He already admitted
this! It doesn't make any sense.......
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CH.......
L Perez bleated: BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only
here to slander and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization...
Note: No other organization can even come close to the WTS' record of six,
false-alarm end-of-the world predictions in the 20th century.
(Credit to RLM)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
02 Jun 2006 09:49:28 AM |
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OBVES is convinced that when a prediction or prophesy DOES NOT come true
that means they're the real true prophets like the WTS's GB. Since they've
been 100% wrong he thinks they're the true prophets. He already admitted
this! It doesn't make any sense.......
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It makes the perfect sense just read more carefully the explanations
I am giving .
The false prophets are those who teach false explanations of the
Bible.
Predicting a date of the end of the world doesn't make a person
a false prophet whether the prediction comes true or not.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
02 Jun 2006 09:59:25 AM |
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wrote:
OBVES is convinced that when a prediction or prophesy DOES NOT come true
that means they're the real true prophets like the WTS's GB. Since they've
been 100% wrong he thinks they're the true prophets. He already admitted
this! It doesn't make any sense.......
--
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It makes the perfect sense just read more carefully the explanations
I am giving .
The false prophets are those who teach false explanations of the
Bible.
Predicting a date of the end of the world doesn't make a person
a false prophet whether the prediction comes true or not.
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Let's go back to the year 1993 AD.
Harold Camping was predicting the year 1994 AD and I did too .
We were of two different faiths so one of us was wrong - not because
of the 1994 AD prediction but because we had different christian
religions .
He was preaching the end of the world ane I was preaching the end.
So how could I call him a false prophet if he had the same year in
prediction ?
That is whyon this one reason alone the predictions of the end must
be excluded when we
want to determine who is a false prophet .
We study the doctrines a teaching person holds to determine if he
is a false prophet
- Matthew 7,13-23
There nothing there about the predictions of the end of the world.
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| User: "The Nolalu Barn Owl gordie@nolalu.on.ca" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
30 May 2006 08:22:31 PM |
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On 30 May 2006 12:48:05 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com" <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
I am touching on one of the most complex issues of our times .
You may think it is no issue at all but by going the way I am
presenting
it we are dealing with the opposite .
Never in the history of mankind a person who was chosen by God
of Israel ,being thusly of the true faith ,could be a false prophet at
the
same time ! One excludes the other possibility !
If it can be established based on the Bible- in a very reasonable
way -
there is one true religion it is impossible to call someone of that
true
one religion a false prophet .We would not have the true religion at
all !
I am absolutely convinced there are true christians today as I was
able
prove the Bible is for our times just as its words were for the
believers
that lived up to 150 AD or 70 AD.
That means we might have a gap - a very long period between
150 AD and 1878 AD - when there was no true christian church
in existence . So ,we can assume the Bible is for the first christians
and
for the end time generations.
And sooooo, how did the true chrisitans of 150 AD pass on their
doctrines and beliefs to the true christians of 1878 AD?
How was the faith preserved?
-
Gordie
'Perhaps some heretics may claim Apostolic antiquity: we reply:
Let them publish the origins of their churches and unroll the
catalogue of their bishops till now from the Apostles or from
some bishop appointed by the Apostles, as the Smyrnaeans count
from Polycarp and John, and the Romans from Clement and Peter;
let heretics invent something to match this.'
- Tertullian
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14520c.htm
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Charli=EB?=" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
31 May 2006 09:49:43 AM |
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"The Nolalu Barn Owl"
<gordie@nolalu.on.ca>
wrote in message news:hkrp72lc5blqs09fskeo3foicro9pvfta4@4ax.com...
On 30 May 2006 12:48:05 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com" <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
I am touching on one of the most complex issues of our times .
You may think it is no issue at all but by going the way I am
presenting
it we are dealing with the opposite .
Never in the history of mankind a person who was chosen by God
of Israel ,being thusly of the true faith ,could be a false prophet at
the
same time ! One excludes the other possibility !
If it can be established based on the Bible- in a very reasonable
way -
there is one true religion it is impossible to call someone of that
true
one religion a false prophet .We would not have the true religion at
all !
I am absolutely convinced there are true christians today as I was
able
prove the Bible is for our times just as its words were for the
believers
that lived up to 150 AD or 70 AD.
That means we might have a gap - a very long period between
150 AD and 1878 AD - when there was no true christian church
in existence . So ,we can assume the Bible is for the first christians
and
for the end time generations.
And sooooo, how did the true chrisitans of 150 AD pass on their
doctrines and beliefs to the true christians of 1878 AD?
How was the faith preserved?
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The JWs told me that there was always a small following of "bible students"
who later became the founders of the JW religion. And no, they showed me no
proof. I can see no unbroken line from Jesus to Rutherford etc.
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CH........
The Watchtower, January 15, 1983, p. 22
"Avoid Independent Thinking . How is such
independent thinking manifested? A common way
is by questioning the counsel that is provided by
God's visible organization."
The WTS/GB wants you to become a mindless automaton.
Do not question what they say.
Do not think about what they say, just accept it.
Do not read the bible on your own, always use their "Aids."
Accept that the Governing Body believes itself equal to God.
~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
02 Jun 2006 09:43:38 AM |
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And sooooo, how did the true chrisitans of 150 AD pass on their
doctrines and beliefs to the true christians of 1878 AD?
How was the faith preserved?
*******
They died but the holy writings remained and they were compiled
and the Bible was what was needed to restore the true christianity
at later times.
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| User: "The Nolalu Barn Owl gordie@nolalu.on.ca" |
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02 Jun 2006 08:36:38 PM |
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On 2 Jun 2006 07:43:38 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com" <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
And sooooo, how did the true chrisitans of 150 AD pass on their
doctrines and beliefs to the true christians of 1878 AD?
How was the faith preserved?
*******
They died but the holy writings remained and they were compiled
and the Bible was what was needed to restore the true christianity
at later times.
They died in 150 AD.
The Bible was put into one book by the Catholic Church about 395 AD so
the false Christians produced the Bible and thus preserved the true
faith?
This is a fairy tale.
-
Gordie
We see in the NT Scriptures that the Apostles passed their authority on. One
example is Paul passing his teaching authority to Timothy (1 Tim 1:3; 3:2;
4:11-16; 5:17; 6:2ff; 2 Tim 1:13-14). Timothy will also pass on his authority
(2 Tim 2:2). And from that day on, we have many that have their authority.
One might ask, "Where can we find Jesus' teachings?" The answer will be
just like the answer in 40 AD. The Church. You will not find one passage
where the Apostles passed their authority to their Gospels or their Epistles.
It is also impossible because a book cannot bind and loose.
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a29.htm
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ BY PREDICTIONS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUE PROPHETS |
30 May 2006 03:37:17 PM |
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So now you can see for yourself that there is another unique way of
recognizing true from false prophets !
It has nothing to do with whether the prediction came to pass or not !
The date 1914 AD shows the International Bible Students were the true
christians and subsequently Jehovah's Witnesses .
It can be confusing the fact that Camping came up with good
predictions for 1994 AD
and 2011 AD but he has some important
different opposing views to ours that can determine
who has the true religion now.
Look the date 1994 AD is to his advantage
though the end has not come as he predicted!
The same with the date 1914 AD when applied to the Watchtower !
Many- if not most- people think badly about
the Watchtower calling it a cult or a false prophet ! They have no
idea how to recognize today's false prophets and that shows how Satan
is astute in deceiving
the nations into wrong thinking.
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