H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:

"Diana BB" <dian...@sapphire.com> wrote in message
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Diana BB wrote:

Pastor Dave wrote:

DianaBB,

Stop Press I found it.
It wasnt a new thread. it was a new title within a thread.

First Dave, I would like to establish why I believe Paul was not chosen by
God.

Everyone already knows why: Because you reject the Gospel of Grace that
Jesus taught, and you do that because you are a deep-seated, elitist
Pharisee who can't stand the fact that God would do something miraculous and
wonderful without your permission: Save the nations by His Grace, without
pedigrees, without works, without law, without ordinances, without moons,
without feasts, without Sabbaths, etc., etc.

Wrong. The one group of verses in the WHOLE bible tell me everything I
need to know.
Mark 12
28] And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning
together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all?
[29] And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear,
O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
[30] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with
all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is
the first commandment.
[31] And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
[32] And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the
truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
[33] And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding,
and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his
neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
[34] And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him,
Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst
ask him any question.

Isa 65:2-5
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which
walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that
provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens,
and burneth incense upon altars of brick; which remain among the graves, and
lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable
things is in their vessels; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to
me; for I am holier than thou.
These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

And how did God return the smoke you put in His nose?

But blowing smoke up your nose...

De 32:19-23
And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of
his sons, and of his daughters.
And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end
shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no
faith. They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have
provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy
with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a
foolish nation.

As for the rest, it's just your rebellious conjuring and nitpicking, as of a
contentious woman without remedy.

Ike

I have pointed out the above on numerous occasions Ike. And yet the
Christian church continues to sacrifice on a regular basis. Communion
and the celebration of the death of Jesus. All turned into ritual
sacrifice that God did not want. And who helped to institute this....why
its Paul and his follower, Luke.

1Cor.10
[16] The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the
blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of
the body of Christ?
Luke....
Do this in remembrance of me.

And yet....

Jer.7
[18] The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the
women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to
pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jer.44
[19] And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out
drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour
out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

it a pagan ritual.

guardian Snow wrote:

On Nov 2, 11:52 am, Diana BB <dian...@sapphire.com> wrote:

Diana BB wrote:

Pastor Dave wrote:

DianaBB,

Stop Press I found it.
It wasnt a new thread. it was a new title within a thread.

First Dave, I would like to establish why I believe Paul was not chosen
by God.

To start...I think Paul was used by satan or what ever you prefer to
think of as the evil side.I think that if he did have an experience on
the road to Damascus he did not have any witnesses to it as they have
not come forward to corroborate his story.....two witnesses at least.

His story changes on three occasions as to what transpired.

Now I will admit that I did not like what Paul had to say from a long
time back but being the good little christian I was I accepted it.
And if you trace back to anything I have ever said in the NGs you will
see a time that I defended what he said. And that is when it happened.
The more I tried to defend him the harder it became to find many
references back to Jesus' teachings. I gave up and went back to my study
of prophecy.
Two things happened then. I realized that the prophecies had been
fulfilled mostly thanks to your posts.You stretched my mind to find out
more of REAL history and not church fabricated history.
And secondly that meant that I had to prove every part of Rev and Dan
and Jesus to test it against my new opinion. So to the letter to the
seven churches of Asia.

Who was the false apostle/s, who were the Nicolaitans, who was the
Jezebel and so on.

It had to be written somewhere in the bible as I truly believe that the
bible gives us everything that we need to find the truth.
And there is was......

All of Asia has turned against me.

Now we know that Paul did preach to all of Asia.

Acts 2
[10] And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they
which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

2Tim.1
[15] This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away
from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

Now I have read many writings on what this passage "could" mean but when
put together with the fact that all of Asia recognized a fake apostle.....

Interestingly Hermogenes turns up in the Acts of Paul and Thecla and we
find out what it was that they were opposed to.

We also find in the same writing that Paul was quite ugly and that he
was short....

Dan 7?
[19] Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse
from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and
his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the
residue with his feet;
[20] And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which
came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes,
and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than
his fellows.
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed
against them;
[22] Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the
saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the
kingdom.
[23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon
earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the
whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
[24] And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall
arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from
the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall
wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and
laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and
the dividing of time.

I found the Jezebel.....Lydia.....meaning of this place....she was
originally from Thyatira..the church this warning was directed to and
she was a seller of purple.

And it doesnt take much to link this to Paul.

[14] But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them
that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a
stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed
unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Anyway that is a small part of why I do not trust Paul. More later.
Housework awaits.

Sounds like you've been reading some of my post:))

Good work.

I must confess Guardian that I have not as yet read any of them in full.
I understand that your main problem with Paul seems to be about the
Sabbath. I am not sure what you think the Sabbath should be about.
Do you believe that the Sabbath was given to us to go to worship at the
nearest church or that it is a day of rest?

I have been studying Paul now for about 4 or so years. I cant remember
where or when I first made any comment on the NGS about him.

Prior to that I was defending him to atheists.What a waste of time that
was.....they already knew what I was too brainwashed to see.