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"Pastor Dave" |
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17 Jan 2008 09:56:55 PM |
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@ Dispy's Love It When Jews Hate Christ! |
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
The third temple is the other temple of God
for His elect not free from the condemnation
of the law.
This concerns you because you are not free
from the condemnation of the law?
Dispensationalists think that there is another method
of salvation, just for the Jews and that a third temple
will be built and animal sacrifices will be performed
and that Jesus will sit in this temple loving this idea.
The reality is, the Law is no more and it isn't the Law
that condemns, it's lack of belief in Christ as Savior.
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world
unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
- 2 Corinthians 5:19
God did reconcile the world to Himself and the Law
is no longer in the way. Now man either accepts
Christ, or doesn't and that is the deciding factor.
"He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of
the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18
Jesus said very clearly, TO JEWS...
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes
to the Father except through Me." - John 14:6
Now what part of "NO ONE" don't they understand?!
Hebrews says:
"And every priest standeth daily ministering and
offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which
can never take away sins." - Hebrews 10:11
Animal sacrifices can never take away sins and yet
the Dispensationalists claim that Jesus will be
sitting in this supposed "third temple", glorying over
Jews performing animal sacrifices for sins, which
quite simply, spits in His face and spits at the fact
of what He did on that cross! They are saying that
Jews can get to Heaven through the Law, without
Jesus and on top of that, that He will be sitting
there, glorying over them doing this! What?!?
And they aren't even smart enough to figure out
that it's pretty hard for the Jews to deny that He
is Lord, when He's the One sitting in that supposed
"third temple"! Hello?!? Duh?!?
Folks, if you really, carefully examine Futurism,
it is simply (I'm sorry for how this sounds and
no intentional offense) one dumb as doctrine!!!
It is self-contradictory and constantly rejects Christ
AS LORD OF ALL!!!
Now please, read what Hebrews says, as it shows
that Christ ascended and was seated on His throne
and that no more sacrifices are acceptable! .....
"But this man, after he had offered *_ONE_* sacrifice
for sins *_FOREVER_*, sat down on the right hand
of God." - Hebrews 10:!2
Their belief isn't even logical! How can it be that Christ
is going to be happy about sitting in a temple that
opposes what He did and has Jews who don't believe
in Him performing animal sacrifices for their sins?
Huh?!? What?!? PLEASE tell me that you know better
than this people! PLEASE???
--
Don't forget, Judas also left early.
.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: @ Dispy's Love It When Jews Hate Christ! |
18 Jan 2008 03:53:08 AM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at His
first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they accept Him
at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the natural progeny
are saved:
Zech. 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of
Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look
upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn.
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
Jesus the Christ, the one the law and all the prophets said was to come.
When Jesus claimed to be God, His ministry came to and abrupt end, and many
who flocked to hear Him were among those who were yelling "Crucify Him!"
There was a problem with Jesus' claim and scripture. In scripture God had
promised to reveal all He would do to the prophets, and, when they looked in
scripture, they found only one coming of the Lord Himself, and that was for
the day of the Lord (Zech 14), and that did not describe Jesus. They could
find no coming of the Lord, Himself, in scripture, so they didn't believe
Him. Would you have believed Him?
What they didn't realize was that the Lord had also told of the foolish
people "without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have
ears, and hear not" (Jer 5:21). The Lord had revealed that He would come
twice, once before the day of the Lord and again for the day of the Lord,
but seeing it, they didn't see it, and hearing it, they didn't hear it.
At the transfiguration the disciples discovered that contrary to what they
had been taught, the Prophet Elijah wouldn't be returning to resume his
ministry before the Lord returns. So, they ask Jesus "Why then say the
scribes that Elijah must first come?" (Matt 17:10). Note the Author's choice
of words. They didn't ask why Malachi, a prophet, or prophets said Elijah
must first come. The Author attributed the teaching to the scribes. How a
difference could arise between what Malachi prophesied and what the scribes
expected can be understood by looking at the Malachi verse the scribes
mis-read. The Old Testament, as well as, the New Testament was written in
the style of the times, the way we speak, one word after another without
spaces between the words, justlikethiswithoutspacesbetweenthewords. When the
scribes saw the verse, Malachi 4:5 in the OT [Tanakh: Mal 3,23] this is how
it looked: HNHENKYSLXLKMETELYHHNBYELPNYBVEYVMYHVHHGDVLVHNVRE.
To read what was prophesied the scribes needed to divide the text in words.
When they came to the 16th through 19th letters (ELYH), they could be read
as one word or as two words (EL YH), they could read it as the one word
Elijah or as the two words LORD God. The scribes read it as one word and it
is read that way in our Bibles today, but what the New Testament reveals is
that Malachi prophesied is the coming of LORD God, the first coming of the
Lord, the coming before the day of the Lord. The Lord was prophesied to come
for the day of the Lord (Zech 14), but there was no scripture of the Lord
Himself coming before the day of the Lord. So, it was the scribes who
blinded Israel, to the first coming of the Lord, for the Lord had promised
"Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he reveals his secret to his
servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7). He had revealed it to Malachi, but when
the scribes came to the coming of the Lord EL YH they read and taught the
return of Elijah ELYH.
This blindness of Israel is something, which would continue until the
fullness of the time for the gentiles to enter the kingdom has passed: "that
blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles
be come in" (Rom. 11:25); so, how will Jesus reply to his disciples without
removing the blindness and closing the door of the kingdom to the gentiles?
"Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come?" Jesus' answered one
thing and his disciples heard another. Jesus said "Elijah (EL YH) truly
shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elijah EL
YH is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever
they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them" (Matt.
17:11-12). Jesus is the redeemer who restores all things, and who was
suffering the rejection (Matt 12:14) and abuse of the violent taking the
kingdom by force and it will continue until His death.
What his disciples heard was Elijah ELYH truly shall first come, and
restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elijah ELYH is come already,
and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.
Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. They knew Elijah wasn't
coming and they missed that Jesus was speaking of the one who would restore
all things so the disciples "assumed [suniemi: put together] that he spoke
to them of John the Baptist" (Matt. 17:13)
John the Baptist knew that he wasn't the one of which Jesus spoke: "And
this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from
Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but
confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou
Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them
that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one
crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the
prophet Isaiah" (John 1:19-23).
John told the priests and Levites who he was.
John wasn't the Christ.
John wasn't Elijah.
John wasn't that prophet, the Elijah-like alternative.
Over the years of the blindness we've interpreted scriptures as though John
were Elijah, but we can see that he isn't as we review our interpretations.
For example, "the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer
is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call
his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice
at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall
drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy
Spirit, even from his mother's womb. And many of the children of Israel
shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the
spirit and power of EL YH, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the
children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a
people prepared for the Lord" (Luke 1:13-17). In this case we've given the
verse the reading of John the spirit of Elijah, not the spirit of LORD God
with which he was filled from his mother's womb.
Here we've ignored the transtion from Jesus speaking of John who was to go
before Him to Jesus who was to come: 'Jesus began to say unto the multitudes
concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken
with the wind? But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft
raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. But what
went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a
prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger
before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto
you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than
John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven
is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the
kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For
all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you will receive
it, this is EL YH , which was for to come. The one that has ears to hear,
let him hear" (Matt. 11:7-15). What the law and all the prophets until John
had prophesied would come was the Christ. What the law prophesied is one of
the subjects of the book of Hebrews, and the law prophesied the coming of
the Christ, saying nothing of John. And this one is Jesus the Christ which
was for to come.
In the Jewish Passover celebration of today a place is set for the one
prophesied to come by Malachi, and the last course of the feast is the
broken bread, which has replaced the lamb of the Passover of Moses. It is
called the afikomen. It is a Greek word, the aorist form of ikneomai, and it
means he came.
The third temple is the other temple of God
for His elect not free from the condemnation
of the law.
This concerns you because you are not free
from the condemnation of the law?
Dispensationalists think that there is another method
of salvation, just for the Jews and that a third temple
will be built and animal sacrifices will be performed
and that Jesus will sit in this temple loving this idea.
The reality is, the Law is no more and it isn't the Law
that condemns, it's lack of belief in Christ as Savior.
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world
unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
- 2 Corinthians 5:19
God did reconcile the world to Himself and the Law
is no longer in the way. Now man either accepts
Christ, or doesn't and that is the deciding factor.
"He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of
the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18
Jesus said very clearly, TO JEWS...
"I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes
to the Father except through Me." - John 14:6
Now what part of "NO ONE" don't they understand?!
Hebrews says:
"And every priest standeth daily ministering and
offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which
can never take away sins." - Hebrews 10:11
Animal sacrifices can never take away sins and yet
the Dispensationalists claim that Jesus will be
sitting in this supposed "third temple", glorying over
Jews performing animal sacrifices for sins, which
quite simply, spits in His face and spits at the fact
of what He did on that cross! They are saying that
Jews can get to Heaven through the Law, without
Jesus and on top of that, that He will be sitting
there, glorying over them doing this! What?!?
And they aren't even smart enough to figure out
that it's pretty hard for the Jews to deny that He
is Lord, when He's the One sitting in that supposed
"third temple"! Hello?!? Duh?!?
Folks, if you really, carefully examine Futurism,
it is simply (I'm sorry for how this sounds and
no intentional offense) one dumb as doctrine!!!
It is self-contradictory and constantly rejects Christ
AS LORD OF ALL!!!
Now please, read what Hebrews says, as it shows
that Christ ascended and was seated on His throne
and that no more sacrifices are acceptable! .....
"But this man, after he had offered *_ONE_* sacrifice
for sins *_FOREVER_*, sat down on the right hand
of God." - Hebrews 10:!2
Their belief isn't even logical! How can it be that Christ
is going to be happy about sitting in a temple that
opposes what He did and has Jews who don't believe
in Him performing animal sacrifices for their sins?
Huh?!? What?!? PLEASE tell me that you know better
than this people! PLEASE???
--
Don't forget, Judas also left early.
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| User: "Suzanne" |
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| Title: Re: @ Dispy's Love It When Jews Hate Christ! |
19 Jan 2008 09:21:33 PM |
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at
His first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they
accept Him at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the
natural progeny are saved:
Are you saying that those who rejected him will be
grafted in after they have died? Or are you speaking
of only the remnant that is left, and not the ones who
died before the time when he will graft in the Jews?
Are you saying that he will graft in living Jews, or
the both they and the ones who have died already?
Suzanne
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: @ Fred Stover call Anti-Chrisian Jews "Christianity"! |
20 Jan 2008 09:44:17 AM |
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
Dispensationalists think that there is another method
of salvation, just for the Jews and that a third temple
will be built and animal sacrifices will be performed
and that Jesus will sit in this temple loving this idea.
Animal sacrifices can never take away sins and yet
the Dispensationalists claim that Jesus will be
sitting in this supposed "third temple", glorying over
Jews performing animal sacrifices for sins, which
quite simply, spits in His face and spits at the fact
of what He did on that cross! They are saying that
Jews can get to Heaven through the Law, without
Jesus and on top of that, that He will be sitting
there, glorying over them doing this! What?!?
It's called Christianity, Satan!
So Fred thinks that anyone who:
1) Doesn't think that Jews dishonoring Christ
is "Christianity" ..
And...
2) Doesn't think that Jesus will love Jew doing this
right in front of Him ..
And...
3) Doesn't think that Christ will love this idea ..
.... isn't Christian!
--
http://www.creationists.org/ervin.html
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: @ Fred Stover call Anti-Chrisian Jews "Christianity"! |
20 Jan 2008 12:39:49 PM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
Dispensationalists think that there is another method
of salvation, just for the Jews and that a third temple
will be built and animal sacrifices will be performed
and that Jesus will sit in this temple loving this idea.
Animal sacrifices can never take away sins and yet
the Dispensationalists claim that Jesus will be
sitting in this supposed "third temple", glorying over
Jews performing animal sacrifices for sins, which
quite simply, spits in His face and spits at the fact
of what He did on that cross! They are saying that
Jews can get to Heaven through the Law, without
Jesus and on top of that, that He will be sitting
there, glorying over them doing this! What?!?
It's called Christianity, Satan!
So Fred thinks that anyone who:
1) Doesn't think that Jews dishonoring Christ
is "Christianity" ..
And if they hadn't?
And...
2) Doesn't think that Jesus will love Jew doing this
right in front of Him ..
You do hate His chosen people, don't you Satan. You hate the Jews who trust
in His word, and you hate the Christians who trust in His word.
And...
3) Doesn't think that Christ will love this idea ..
... isn't Christian!
Of course, anyone who does not love His word is not a Christian.
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: @ Dispy's Love It When Jews Hate Christ! |
20 Jan 2008 05:43:08 AM |
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"Suzanne" <shiloh7@flash.net> wrote in message
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kc80p3dromo14ggkuv2v3ndtui9q98g39a@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at
His first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they
accept Him at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the
natural progeny are saved:
Are you saying that those who rejected him will be
grafted in after they have died? Or are you speaking
of only the remnant that is left, and not the ones who
died before the time when he will graft in the Jews?
Are you saying that he will graft in living Jews, or
the both they and the ones who have died already?
Suzanne
Those who were blinded to reject Him are the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect saved
after the fullness of the gentiles have entered: "For I would not, brethren,
that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your
own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the
fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it
is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away
ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall
take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your
sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance" (Rom
11:25-29).
When He gathers His elect, the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect are gathered to
Israel:
"my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your
graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek 37:12).
It is at His return that they and the living Jews receive the grace to
accept Him: "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look
upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn" (Zech. 12:10).
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
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| User: "Suzanne" |
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| Title: Re: @ Dispy's Love It When Jews Hate Christ! |
21 Jan 2008 12:44:03 AM |
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Suzanne" <shiloh7@flash.net> wrote in message
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kc80p3dromo14ggkuv2v3ndtui9q98g39a@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at
His first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they
accept Him at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the
natural progeny are saved:
Are you saying that those who rejected him will be
grafted in after they have died? Or are you speaking
of only the remnant that is left, and not the ones who
died before the time when he will graft in the Jews?
Are you saying that he will graft in living Jews, or
the both they and the ones who have died already?
Suzanne
Those who were blinded to reject Him are the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect
saved after the fullness of the gentiles have entered: "For I would not,
brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be
wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be
saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and
shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto
them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they
are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved
for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without
repentance" (Rom 11:25-29).
When He gathers His elect, the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect are gathered to
Israel:
"my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your
graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek 37:12).
It is at His return that they and the living Jews receive the grace to
accept Him: "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall
look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn" (Zech. 12:10).
His,
Thank you Fred.
Suzanne
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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22 Jan 2008 04:08:29 PM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at
His first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they
accept Him at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the
natural progeny are saved:
Are you saying that those who rejected him will be
grafted in after they have died? Or are you speaking
of only the remnant that is left, and not the ones who
died before the time when he will graft in the Jews?
Are you saying that he will graft in living Jews, or
the both they and the ones who have died already?
Suzanne
Those who were blinded to reject Him are the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect
saved after the fullness of the gentiles have entered: "For I would not,
brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be
wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be
saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and
shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto
them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they
are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are
beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are
without repentance" (Rom 11:25-29).
When He gathers His elect, the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect are gathered to
Israel:
"my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your
graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek 37:12).
It is at His return that they and the living Jews receive the grace to
accept Him: "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and
they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for
him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for
him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn" (Zech. 12:10).
His,
Thank you Fred.
Suzanne
You're welcome.
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On January 20, 2008 06:43 am, Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
"Suzanne" <shiloh7@flash.net> wrote in message
news:17zkj.8305$pA7.7102@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:vL_jj.1845$Rg1.1397@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kc80p3dromo14ggkuv2v3ndtui9q98g39a@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at
His first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they
accept Him at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the
natural progeny are saved:
Are you saying that those who rejected him will be
grafted in after they have died? Or are you speaking
of only the remnant that is left, and not the ones who
died before the time when he will graft in the Jews?
Are you saying that he will graft in living Jews, or
the both they and the ones who have died already?
Suzanne
Those who were blinded to reject Him are the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect
saved after the fullness of the gentiles have entered: "For I would not,
brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be
wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be
saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and
shall turn away
ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall
take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your
sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance" (Rom
11:25-29).
When He gathers His elect, the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect are gathered to
Israel:
"my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your
graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek 37:12).
It is at His return that they and the living Jews receive the grace to
accept Him: "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall
look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn" (Zech. 12:10).
James identified the house of David with the Church in the NT.
Acts 15:13-17
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and
brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to
take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David,
which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will
set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles,
upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
And so, if James was right, it is those who are in the church, and believe
the gospel, who have the spirit of grace and of supplications poured out on
them.
Doug
http://vinyl2.sentex.ca/~tcc/OP/
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| Title: Re: @ Dispy's Love It When Jews Hate Christ! |
21 Jan 2008 12:53:56 AM |
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"Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
news:CqGdnczS9cMR_A7anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@sentex.net...
On January 20, 2008 06:43 am, Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
"Suzanne" <shiloh7@flash.net> wrote in message
news:17zkj.8305$pA7.7102@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:vL_jj.1845$Rg1.1397@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kc80p3dromo14ggkuv2v3ndtui9q98g39a@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at
His first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they
accept Him at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the
natural progeny are saved:
Are you saying that those who rejected him will be
grafted in after they have died? Or are you speaking
of only the remnant that is left, and not the ones who
died before the time when he will graft in the Jews?
Are you saying that he will graft in living Jews, or
the both they and the ones who have died already?
Suzanne
Those who were blinded to reject Him are the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect
saved after the fullness of the gentiles have entered: "For I would not,
brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be
wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be
saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and
shall turn away
ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall
take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your
sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance" (Rom
11:25-29).
When He gathers His elect, the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect are gathered to
Israel:
"my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your
graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek 37:12).
It is at His return that they and the living Jews receive the grace to
accept Him: "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall
look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one
that
is in bitterness for his firstborn" (Zech. 12:10).
James identified the house of David with the Church in the NT.
Acts 15:13-17
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and
brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to
take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David,
which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will
set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the
Gentiles,
upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
And so, if James was right, it is those who are in the church, and believe
the gospel, who have the spirit of grace and of supplications poured out
on
them.
Doug
http://vinyl2.sentex.ca/~tcc/OP/
Thanks Doug.
Suzanne
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| Title: Re: @ Dispy's Love It When Jews Hate Christ! |
20 Jan 2008 12:39:49 PM |
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"Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
news:CqGdnczS9cMR_A7anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@sentex.net...
On January 20, 2008 06:43 am, Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
"Suzanne" <shiloh7@flash.net> wrote in message
news:17zkj.8305$pA7.7102@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:vL_jj.1845$Rg1.1397@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kc80p3dromo14ggkuv2v3ndtui9q98g39a@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:44:23 -0800 (PST), me
<sheppjon@yahoo.com> said the following:
Isn't it amazing that Dispensationalists prefer that Christ
come and do that which is Anti-Christ for those Jews
who hate Him and reject Him?! Hmmm.... What kind
of "theology" is that?!
It's called Christianity, Satan, for they were blinded to reject Him at
His first coming, so we could be grafted into the vine, and then they
accept Him at His second coming and all Israel, the adoption and the
natural progeny are saved:
Are you saying that those who rejected him will be
grafted in after they have died? Or are you speaking
of only the remnant that is left, and not the ones who
died before the time when he will graft in the Jews?
Are you saying that he will graft in living Jews, or
the both they and the ones who have died already?
Suzanne
Those who were blinded to reject Him are the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect
saved after the fullness of the gentiles have entered: "For I would not,
brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be
wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be
saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and
shall turn away
ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall
take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your
sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance" (Rom
11:25-29).
When He gathers His elect, the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect are gathered to
Israel:
"my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your
graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek 37:12).
It is at His return that they and the living Jews receive the grace to
accept Him: "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall
look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one
that
is in bitterness for his firstborn" (Zech. 12:10).
James identified the house of David with the Church in the NT.
Acts 15:13-17
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and
brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to
take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David,
which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will
set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the
Gentiles,
upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
As we all know, but it doesn't confuse the folks who have received His
Spirit and can discern scripture:
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
And so, if James was right, it is those who are in the church, and believe
the gospel, who have the spirit of grace and of supplications poured out
on
them.
You missed that in what I wrote? They're the gospel elect. It is the
enemy-of-the-gospel-elect who receive His grace after He returns:
Go back to the top and read it again, if you can read.
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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