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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "TehGhodTrole"
Date: 02 Mar 2004 12:49:39 AM
Object: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD ***
There is none, so why ask for it?
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Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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User: "Woden"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 09:46:28 AM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> honored us in alt.atheism with the
following discourse:

There is none, so why ask for it?


Why keep pushing this ***** if there isn't any evidence for it?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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User: "Mark Richardson"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 07:18:59 PM
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:46:28 -0000, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> honored us in alt.atheism with the
following discourse:

There is none, so why ask for it?



Why keep pushing this ***** if there isn't any evidence for it?

Possibly because he believes it to be true anyway?
That would be a decent guess.
You do agree that it is logically possible for a thing to be both true
and unevidenced - don't you?
If not - then you are claiming that Pluto didnt exist before 1930 -
which I would suggest is insane.
It would mean you are saying that reality is determined by your or my
knowledge of it rather than the other way around.
You could try arguing that it is *possible* to have evidence of Pluto
(even when no one had evidence) but not *possible* to have evidence of
God.
Although how you would establish the truth of that I am not sure -
even though *I* actually do believe it to be true.
IF you succsessfully make that argument THEN you still have to explain
WHY you go around demanding the production of something you dont
actually believe exists.
On the face of it that seems perfectly irrational.
Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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User: "Maverick"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 09:28:44 AM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in
news:njJ9STSyNef815D4EAAB421EFD74Z5ySXMEgQl5Z@kadaitcha.cx:

There is none, so why ask for it?

And for the exact same reason; why believe in it?
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User: "Mark Richardson"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 07:22:27 PM
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:28:44 GMT, Maverick
<insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in
news:njJ9STSyNef815D4EAAB421EFD74Z5ySXMEgQl5Z@kadaitcha.cx:

There is none, so why ask for it?



And for the exact same reason; why believe in it?

Obvious answer: for reasons other than evidence.
What reasons (you ask)? - Not for me to say, ask them.
Will *their* reasons make sense to you?
Probably not - but at least you will have learned something about
people and why they believe.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 05:42:36 PM
Piggyback.....
To get the bleaters who in-our-face their beliefs to realise they
can't put up so they should shut up.
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:28:44 GMT, Maverick
<insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in
news:njJ9STSyNef815D4EAAB421EFD74Z5ySXMEgQl5Z@kadaitcha.cx:

There is none, so why ask for it?



And for the exact same reason; why believe in it?

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User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 03:36:45 AM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:njJ9STSyNef815D4EAAB421EFD74Z5ySXMEgQl5Z@kadaitcha.cx...

There is none, so why ask for it?

There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?
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User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 03:56:24 AM
ZenIsWhen wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:njJ9STSyNef815D4EAAB421EFD74Z5ySXMEgQl5Z@kadaitcha.cx...

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?

I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly
established, you illogical oaf.
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TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 10:07:10 AM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:EtPkklEN9PWE664F97BFD9FD5673rT1ypXcgfcjv@kadaitcha.cx...

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:njJ9STSyNef815D4EAAB421EFD74Z5ySXMEgQl5Z@kadaitcha.cx...

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly
established, you illogical oaf.

Bull *****, moron!
You bellowed crap, and CLAIMED it was knowledge!
Into the kill file toilet - where you belong!
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User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 03:25:58 PM
ZenIsWhen wrote:

You bellowed crap,

No.

and CLAIMED it was knowledge!

So?
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TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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User: "mel turner"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 06:40:31 AM
In article <EtPkklEN9PWE664F97BFD9FD5673rT1ypXcgfcjv@kadaitcha.cx>,
nospam@rainx.cjb.net [TehGhodTrole] wrote...

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:njJ9STSyNef815D4EAAB421EFD74Z5ySXMEgQl5Z@kadaitcha.cx...

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly
established, you illogical oaf.

Interesting.
So, how exactly does someone saying that some particular proposition
is "a fact, unquestioningly established" make it so?
Assertions may often be incorrect, so the mere act of asserting
something shouldn't add any weight to it.
A deluded person might falsely be absolutely certain that he has some
"unquestioningly established knowledge".
Another person might lie and assert that something is "established
knowledge" when he knows full well that it isn't.
Some might seriously question whether the concept "unquestioningly
established knowledge" can ever have any real referents. How could any
knowledge ever be established, other than by questioning and testing?
Wouldn't this assertion of knowledge require that the asserter must
be an omniscient or an infallible being, at least with regard to the
subject in question? If no claim of absolute infallibility is being
made, then this knowledge presumably couldn't ever be considered
unquestionably established.
In short, why should someone asserting some "unquestioningly
established knowledge" ever expect anyone other than the asserter to
be persuaded by [or at all interested in] his assertion? Why should he
even believe it himself?
cheers
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User: "William"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 10:56:08 AM
On 2 Mar 2004 09:56:24 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly
established, you illogical oaf.

Strange. Someone asserting knowledge, unquestioningly, as fact (ie
dispenses with logic) then questions someone else's logic. Let this be
a lesson, folks, to all those who live by assertion - this is how you
could end up.
William
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User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 03:27:04 PM
William wrote:

On 2 Mar 2004 09:56:24 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


Strange. Someone asserting knowledge, unquestioningly, as fact (ie
dispenses with logic) then questions someone else's logic.

That would be because logic is alien to you.
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "William"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 03:34:32 PM
On 2 Mar 2004 21:27:04 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

William wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote:

ZenIsWhen wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


Strange. Someone asserting knowledge, unquestioningly, as fact (ie
dispenses with logic) then questions someone else's logic.


That would be because logic is alien to you.

But since I have no problem with aliens I have no problem with logic.
Thanks for pointing that out.
William
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User: "John Ings"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 04:52:36 AM
On 2 Mar 2004 09:56:24 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly
established, you illogical oaf.

You can't have knowledge without proof nitwit!
Devout conviction isn't knowledge, it's just faith.
Facts need proof. Observation. Evidence.
And keep in mind that it isn't just the existence of God you must
establish, but Jesus as that God.
## Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has. MARTIN LUTHER
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User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 05:09:36 AM
John Ings wrote:

On 2 Mar 2004 09:56:24 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


You can't have knowledge without proof nitwit!

I most certainly can. Just because you don't have what it
takes (that would be at least one functioning brain cell)
to understand how or why it is so doesn't invalidate the
assertion one bit. In fact, you highlight your own
absurdity quite well.
Checkmate. You're officially an insensible moron.
Here is your free clue, not that you'll get it, but
still. BTW, how does it feel to be in the same class
of moron as SepticKKK/Navigator?
Navigator wrote:

Then what does the balderdash in question, "Knowledge need not be
demonstrated" mean, knucklehead?

Intense and valid argument doesn't seem to get through the
impervious rock that sits between the two tawdry
accoutrements of a cheap ***** that you are pleased to call
your ears, so I will demonstrate your absurdity by way of
analogy. An analogy, I will add, that is 100% fact. Let's
see if you can get the idea that way...
I know for a fact that the government of my country denies having
a particularly nasty weapon in its arsenal, yet I was party to the
designs, manufacture and deployment of the weapon in question to
our armed forces.
Since I am under oath and thus subject to the provisions of my
country's Official Secrets Act, "demonstrat[ing] any truth in that
knowledge", will likely subject me to a lengthy sojourn between
four brick walls at Her Majesty's pleasure. And that's a fact.
Your argument is invalid. In it's entirety.
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "Ian Braidwood"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 10:54:52 AM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message news:<YCzZPSd1DhOr079B7D1AFEA730B7Y5dvcSt3hxAk@kadaitcha.cx>...

John Ings wrote:

On 2 Mar 2004 09:56:24 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


You can't have knowledge without proof nitwit!


I most certainly can. Just because you don't have what it
takes (that would be at least one functioning brain cell)

Oh that's right! That'll win people around to your point of view!
After all, what unbiased person could possibly be left unswayed by
someone who commits nonsensical abuse by accusing someone of not
having even one functioning brain cell and yet can't even spell
bellow?
You fundies are on good form today!

to understand how or why it is so doesn't invalidate the
assertion one bit. In fact, you highlight your own
absurdity quite well.

Checkmate. You're officially an insensible moron.

Another gem from the beguiling God Party. Who could fail to be
impressed by the generosity of spirit, the plaintive appeal to the
germ of goodness within every human soul! What pathos.

Here is your free clue, not that you'll get it, but
still. BTW, how does it feel to be in the same class
of moron as SepticKKK/Navigator?

Navigator wrote:

Then what does the balderdash in question, "Knowledge need not be
demonstrated" mean, knucklehead?


Intense and valid argument doesn't seem to get through the
impervious rock that sits between the two tawdry
accoutrements of a cheap ***** that you are pleased to call
your ears,

Gosh! What elan, what style! "Tawdry accoutrements of a cheap *****"
And who says the appeal to reason is dead!

so I will demonstrate your absurdity by way of
analogy.

Ahhhh. This means you're going to prove one point by talking about
something else, which might if people are feeling generous or just
plain gullible, be similar. How can anyone not be swayed?

An analogy, I will add, that is 100% fact. Let's
see if you can get the idea that way...

I know for a fact that the government of my country denies having
a particularly nasty weapon in its arsenal, yet I was party to the
designs, manufacture and deployment of the weapon in question to
our armed forces.

Since I am under oath and thus subject to the provisions of my
country's Official Secrets Act, "demonstrat[ing] any truth in that
knowledge", will likely subject me to a lengthy sojourn between
four brick walls at Her Majesty's pleasure. And that's a fact.

So let's see if I've got this right: You are faced with the choice of
going to jail or allowing the possibility of hundereds of people dying
agonising deaths and perhaps worse.
Well you have to make your own choices, of course; but how do think
you will feel if said nasty weapon is ever used? How do you think
things will go when you're standing in front of St Peter, trying to
explain why you allowed our government to commit a war crime?
Do you think eternal damnation (or merely absence of God) worth
risking compared to Her Majesty's pleasure? What are you willing to go
through for what you believe? And if you're not committed to what you
think is right, why do you think you can abuse anyone who doesn't
share your views?
I think you're going through a crisis of faith and instead of venting
your spleen ('Tawdry accoutrements of a cheap *****', remember), you
need to address that issue. This crisis won't go away until you
reconcile yourself to your conscience.
Good luck and stop being an *****.

(-: Ian :-)
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User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 03:25:19 PM
Ian Braidwood wrote:

I think

How? You can't even grasp simple logic.
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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User: "Ian Braidwood"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 04 Mar 2004 02:42:20 AM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message news:<qB9qiy0o0QXT76C3F27064C5C0ABEkX07JQ7QA7W@kadaitcha.cx>...

Ian Braidwood wrote:

I think


How? You can't even grasp simple logic.

By the miracle of Cut and Paste I can restore the section you cut the
above from, et voila!
"I think you're going through a crisis of faith and instead of venting
your spleen ('Tawdry accoutrements of a cheap *****', remember), you
need to address that issue. This crisis won't go away until you
reconcile yourself to your conscience."
Remember how I was responding to your 'revelation' that you know nasty
secrets about our government's weapons capability? Remember how I
accepted you position enough to ask you what you think will happen at
the gates of heaven, when St Peter asked you about why you did
nothing?
While you hide behind your silly nom de guerre, you are unaccountable
to me, but if what you believe is true you are accountable to God for
how you behave. You will have to answer why you are such a moral
coward not to risk punishment when acting morally.
I will treat you as an equal when you face me as one; but as long as
you stay hidden behind a nom de guerre, I will treat your
pronouncements as doubtful as your identity.
(-: Ian :-)
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User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 04 Mar 2004 05:12:37 AM
Ian Braidwood wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:<qB9qiy0o0QXT76C3F27064C5C0ABEkX07JQ7QA7W@kadaitcha.cx>...

Ian Braidwood wrote:

I think


How? You can't even grasp simple logic.


By the miracle of Cut and Paste I can restore the section you cut the
above from, et voila!

"I think

Ibid.
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "Ian Braidwood"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 06 Mar 2004 12:02:43 PM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message news:<Xm3U67SDAdfdC67763A2zCKoYDZaDIA0@limosdevelopment.com>...

Ian Braidwood wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:<qB9qiy0o0QXT76C3F27064C5C0ABEkX07JQ7QA7W@kadaitcha.cx>...

Ian Braidwood wrote:

I think


How? You can't even grasp simple logic.


By the miracle of Cut and Paste I can restore the section you cut the
above from, et voila!

"I think


Ibid.

Your avoidance of the question marks out how dishonest you are. That
dishonesty loses you all unbiased observes.
Thanks.
(-: Ian :-)
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User: "Kadaitcha Man"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 07 Mar 2004 04:37:27 AM
Ian Braidwood wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:<Xm3U67SDAdfdC67763A2zCKoYDZaDIA0@limosdevelopment.com>...

Ian Braidwood wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:<qB9qiy0o0QXT76C3F27064C5C0ABEkX07JQ7QA7W@kadaitcha.cx>...

Ian Braidwood wrote:

I think


How? You can't even grasp simple logic.


By the miracle of Cut and Paste I can restore the section you cut
the above from, et voila!

"I think


Ibid.


Your avoidance of the question marks out how dishonest you are. That
dishonesty loses you all unbiased observes.

So, you don't like the miracle of cut and paste when it's applied to you
then?
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User: "Kermit"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 05 Mar 2004 03:53:19 PM
"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message news:<YCzZPSd1DhOr079B7D1AFEA730B7Y5dvcSt3hxAk@kadaitcha.cx>...

John Ings wrote:

On 2 Mar 2004 09:56:24 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


You can't have knowledge without proof nitwit!


I most certainly can. Just because you don't have what it
takes (that would be at least one functioning brain cell)
to understand how or why it is so doesn't invalidate the
assertion one bit. In fact, you highlight your own
absurdity quite well.

Checkmate. You're officially an insensible moron.

Here is your free clue, not that you'll get it, but
still. BTW, how does it feel to be in the same class
of moron as SepticKKK/Navigator?

Navigator wrote:

Then what does the balderdash in question, "Knowledge need not be
demonstrated" mean, knucklehead?


Intense and valid argument doesn't seem to get through the
impervious rock that sits between the two tawdry
accoutrements of a cheap ***** that you are pleased to call
your ears, so I will demonstrate your absurdity by way of
analogy. An analogy, I will add, that is 100% fact. Let's
see if you can get the idea that way...

I know for a fact that the government of my country denies having
a particularly nasty weapon in its arsenal, yet I was party to the
designs, manufacture and deployment of the weapon in question to
our armed forces.

Since I am under oath and thus subject to the provisions of my
country's Official Secrets Act, "demonstrat[ing] any truth in that
knowledge", will likely subject me to a lengthy sojourn between
four brick walls at Her Majesty's pleasure. And that's a fact.

Your argument is invalid. In it's entirety.

That's your proof!? You assert that it's analagous to a military
secret you know, but you're not allowed to tell?
BwahahahahahahaHHAHAHAHAHA!
<snort>
<wipes tears from eyes>
Ah... (snicker). So.
Well, if God ever tells you that you're allowed to reveal these
secrets, you *will let us know, won't you? Oh, and you might ask him
for autographed pictures or something; some of my fellow unbelievers
are suspiscious types, and might want something other than your say
so.
It's sad to see so much arrogance and so much simple-mindedness
residing in one mind. It's an unhealthy combination.
Kermit
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" - Chaucer
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User: "Kadaitcha Man"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 05 Mar 2004 09:08:25 PM
Kermit wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:<YCzZPSd1DhOr079B7D1AFEA730B7Y5dvcSt3hxAk@kadaitcha.cx>...

John Ings wrote:

On 2 Mar 2004 09:56:24 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


You can't have knowledge without proof nitwit!


I most certainly can. Just because you don't have what it
takes (that would be at least one functioning brain cell)
to understand how or why it is so doesn't invalidate the
assertion one bit. In fact, you highlight your own
absurdity quite well.

Checkmate. You're officially an insensible moron.

Here is your free clue, not that you'll get it, but
still. BTW, how does it feel to be in the same class
of moron as SepticKKK/Navigator?

Navigator wrote:

Then what does the balderdash in question, "Knowledge need not be
demonstrated" mean, knucklehead?


Intense and valid argument doesn't seem to get through the
impervious rock that sits between the two tawdry
accoutrements of a cheap ***** that you are pleased to call
your ears, so I will demonstrate your absurdity by way of
analogy. An analogy, I will add, that is 100% fact. Let's
see if you can get the idea that way...

I know for a fact that the government of my country denies having
a particularly nasty weapon in its arsenal, yet I was party to the
designs, manufacture and deployment of the weapon in question to
our armed forces.

Since I am under oath and thus subject to the provisions of my
country's Official Secrets Act, "demonstrat[ing] any truth in that
knowledge", will likely subject me to a lengthy sojourn between
four brick walls at Her Majesty's pleasure. And that's a fact.

Your argument is invalid. In it's entirety.


That's your proof!? You assert that it's analagous to a military
secret you know, but you're not allowed to tell?

BwahahahahahahaHHAHAHAHAHA!
<snort>

<wipes tears from eyes>

Ah... (snicker). So.

Your crying was all in vain. The suggestion that my assertion is "analagous
to a military secret" is entirely yours. The anlaogy only serves to show the
absurdity in John Things' statement, which was "You can't have knowledge
without proof nitwit!"
That you chose to oddly extrapolate it to the absurd exposes nothing other
than your own unthinking or nefarious motives or whatever it was that drew
you to such an obtuse conclusion.

It's sad to see so much arrogance and so much simple-mindedness
residing in one mind. It's an unhealthy combination.

See above.
.


User: "John Ings"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 02 Mar 2004 08:16:42 AM
On 2 Mar 2004 11:09:36 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


You can't have knowledge without proof nitwit!


I most certainly can.

No you cannot. There are places reserved in insane asylums for people
who can see things nobody else can. They're termed delusional.

Just because you don't have what it
takes (that would be at least one functioning brain cell)
to understand how or why it is so doesn't invalidate the
assertion one bit.

But the fact that it IS a mere assertion does.

In fact, you highlight your own absurdity quite well.

Insult makes for weak argument.

Checkmate.

Only if we let you play the debate game according to YOUR rules.

You're officially an insensible moron.

If we let you be the authority.
But we won't.

Your argument is invalid. In it's entirety.

Prove it. Show us how knowledge of God can be obtained,
even with God's enthusiastic co-operation.
## You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge!
.
User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 03 Mar 2004 02:56:58 AM
John Ings wrote:

On 2 Mar 2004 11:09:36 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

There is none, so why ask for it?


There is none - so why bellow the belief as though it were fact?


I didn't below belief. I asserted knowledge as a fact,
unquestioningly established, you illogical oaf.


You can't have knowledge without proof nitwit!


I most certainly can.


No you cannot.

I can and I did.

Only if we let you play the debate game according to YOUR rules.

That would mean you want, as always, basic logic consigned to they mystery
of magick. Well, bad luck for you. Here, choke on this:
I assert knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly established.
The burden of proof is all yours.
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "William"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 03 Mar 2004 03:27:51 AM
On 3 Mar 2004 08:56:58 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

John Ings wrote:

Only if we let you play the debate game according to YOUR rules.


That would mean you want, as always, basic logic consigned to they mystery
of magick. Well, bad luck for you. Here, choke on this:

I assert knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly established.

The burden of proof is all yours.

I assert that the burden of proof is unquestionably all yours.
Bad luck for you. Choke on that.
William
.
User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 03 Mar 2004 03:53:10 AM
William wrote:

On 3 Mar 2004 08:56:58 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

John Ings wrote:

Only if we let you play the debate game according to YOUR rules.


That would mean you want, as always, basic logic consigned to they
mystery of magick. Well, bad luck for you. Here, choke on this:

I assert knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly established.

The burden of proof is all yours.


I assert that the burden of proof is unquestionably all yours.
Bad luck for you. Choke on that.

Well, you're wrong. You need to show that the assertion is
not an unprovable truth. Please refer to incompleteness
theorems and the Epimenides paradox.
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "William"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 03 Mar 2004 06:43:58 AM
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 01:53:10 -0800 (PST), "TehGhodTrole"
<nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote:

William wrote:

"TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>wrote:

John Ings wrote:

Only if we let you play the debate game according to YOUR rules.


That would mean you want, as always, basic logic consigned to they
mystery of magick. Well, bad luck for you. Here, choke on this:

I assert knowledge as a fact, unquestioningly established.

The burden of proof is all yours.


I assert that the burden of proof is unquestionably all yours.
Bad luck for you. Choke on that.


Well, you're wrong. You need to show that the assertion is
not an unprovable truth.

And another truth: those who dig a hole should beware they don't fall
into it.

Please refer to incompleteness theorems and the Epimenides
paradox.

Incompleteness theorems relate, ultimately, to the impossibility of
exhaustively proving all propositions. A basic premise, such as the
existence of an objective reality, has to stand on the basis that it
is a first axiom and is universally agreed.
Religious propositions do not qualify on either count so they have to
be supported.
But you knew that already. A thinking person like yourself wouldn't
dream of trying to get out of presenting evidence for a religious
proposition by invoking incompleteness theorems.
William
.
User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 03 Mar 2004 06:52:37 AM
William wrote:

Religious propositions do not qualify on either count so they have to
be supported.

I didn't make a religious proposition, boofhead. Show where the
religious proposition is in the statement "I assert knowledge as
a fact, unquestioningly established."
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "William"

Title: Re: *** EVIDENCE FOR GOD *** 03 Mar 2004 08:49:32 AM
On 3 Mar 2004 12:52:37 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net>
wrote:

William wrote:

Religious propositions do not qualify on either count so they have to
be supported.


I didn't make a religious proposition, boofhead. Show where the
religious proposition is in the statement "I assert knowledge as
a fact, unquestioningly established."

Dictionary definition of a religious proposition: "the existence of a
higher unseen controlling power"
I take it, therefore, that your asserted knowledge does not include a
religious proposition ie, God. Makes you wonder why you are posting
in a thread entitled "Evidence for God". And also one which is seen
only by two religious NGs and one atheism one.
I'd appreciate it if you would tell me the content of this knowledge
is that you are asserting or is it a secret?
Going back to the bit you snipped in my post, I'm sure you know that
only the basic universally agreed axioms (ie, the premise of an
objective reality and the rules of logic) can be asserted without the
obligation of supporting objective evidence or logical argument.
William
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