Pastor Dave wrote:

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If so, I have several friends whose husbands said they were
Christians, thereby using that as an excuse to abuse their wives,

True Christian men never abuse their wives! Saying
one is a christian proves nothing. The proof always
is evident by ones actions! Jesus said we will know
them by their fruits!

Sioux says:

I was not one of those who chimed in and accused Dave or anyone of
abusing his wife. I feel that's a very cruel accusation to make without
any proof! As I worked in the leagl field for 30 years, it's extremely
difficult to "prove" your innocence on such a charge when some one just
"mouths" the words "spousal abuse"!

Dave continues to argue:

You DID imply it. You said that it appears that I
believe that a husband can do WHATEVER HE WANTS to his
wife. We BOTH know what that says. You then go on to
talk more about men who abuse their wives. Do you
really think that we're that stupid, that we don't know
what's being said with some feigned subtlety?

Sioux says:

Dave, you can continue saying I said it until BUSH loses the election,
BUT that doesn't make it a fact that I said it! I believe Jude said
it...Geeeeezzzzzz!. Dang man, I know what I said...I never implied any
man beats his wife. As a matter of fact I stated it's not right to
acuse anyone of spousal abuse, without absolute proof. I think it's in
this very post. You are being unreasonable now...your anger and hatred
is blinding you...Have a great life.

You did not put the two together in the same post. You
said one thing in one and then went on in another post
to talk about men abusing their wives and this was in
relation to the things I had said, which someone else
responded to.

Now, while you deny that you said that I believe I can
do whatever I want regarding my wife, I am providing
the post in which you said it. Note also that you also
agreed that "Jude" is right about me and that you
directly implied that I am not "a true Christian man",
by stating that you are glad that your husband is,
which we both know means that you are saying that I am
not. This is especially obvious, considering that it
immediately follows your statement that I believe that
I can do whatever I choose with regard to my wife.

http://tinyurl.com/4aukc

I can provide the message about abuse also. Now what
do you say?


The fact is, that I have stated clearly to you and
others, that I believe in following the Bible. Where
does the Bible tell me to be mean to my wife? And if
it doesn't, then why do you claim that I believe that I
can be and do whatever I want to her?

You also went on your little spree (in other messages)
of claiming that I wouldn't answer your question as to
whether or not I love my wife as Christ loved the
church. The fact is, that you only asked that
question, to try to divert attention away from the fact
that I pointed out that people were jumping on me for
stating the truth of the Bible, while defending Angel,
who openly declared that she would not follow the truth
of the Bible. And you believe that loving ones wife
means that we should forget about the fact that wives
are to submit to their husbands, as unto the Lord, in
every thing. Yes, the Bible says that (a couple of
verses). I would not fall for your little game and I
did answer your question. You just didn't like the
answer, because it did not allow you to proceed with
your little game.

I also on a separate occasion told you, when you
repeated this "non answer" claim again, that I believe
in following the Bible, so you already know what the
answer would be, even though you ignored my previous
statements that I believe in following the Bible. I
notice that you did not respond to that one and did not
acknowledge that your question was answered. Should I
provide these messages as well? You make a mistake
when you claim not to have said things, or try to make
what you said sound different, because I save messages
here locally on my system and have a good memory
regarding these things.

You see, people like you want to take Ephesians 5:25
and ignore vs22-24. When someone says that you should
follow the Bible and do what vs22-24 say also, folks
like you (although you personally didn't) will then ask
if I eat pork, or wear clothes of more than one cloth,
etc.. I.e., folks like you only want to hear and
follow the parts of the Bible that you like and throw
away the rest of it. That is obvious by your attack on
me. If you know that what I said is Scriptural and you
have no honest option other than admitting that, then
your reason for attacking me becomes very apparent and
your attack becomes transparent.

Unless of course, you can tell me where have I said
anything that is unScriptural? Not you, nor Angel, nor
Diana, nor Jude, nor any of the others who jumped on
the "attack Dave" bandwagon have been able to do that.
And yet, you people insist on jumping on me. That says
a lot. A whole lot!

DAVE YOU WIN....HOW'S THAT!!! HAVE A GOOD LIFE