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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Pastor Dave" |
| Date: |
21 Nov 2004 11:11:16 AM |
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! GEORGANN'S CONTRADICTIONS ! |
You said this....
Georgann: The Rapture is not "revelation that came
after the Bible" but is noted throughout both the OT
and the NT.
But previously said this:
Georgann: In a sense everything in mainstream Christian
"thought" comes from a time far later than the 1st C
AD. We can look to Catholicism for much of what is
believed on the very basics but Catholic theology was
shrouded in mystery, taught (if at all) in a dead
language and remained practically inaccessible to the
general public until Bibles were first printed
(Gutenberg 1450s, still unfortunately in Latin). By the
time the Protestant Reformation hit the scene full
force several doctrines, incl. the Rapture, "End Times"
and Dispensationalism - the doctrine of God's continued
revelation of Biblically supported truths not
previously recognized, were squarely accepted as
mainstream Christian ideas. Various denominations tilt
towards or emphasize some doctrines more than others
but generally they claim to hold to remarkably similar
"truths" in their statements of faith.
There are numbers of individuals (too many for me to
look up for you) responsible for these doctrinal
additions but the real key is how any doctrine is added
to what it considered "mainstream" and the importance
of checking out any doctrinal ideas with the greater
body of Christians.
The greater body of Christianity, through review and
scholarship, must generally agree that a doctrine is
sound enough to be included in mainstream Christian
teachings. IOW if the peer reviews of the best trained
Christian theologians of multi-denominations cannot
agree on its soundness, then it is rejected. But if
sufficient numbers of these scholars agree then it is
considered appropriate for teaching.
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Now, which is it? It is "easily seen" in the Bible, as
you told me in another message, or the Apostles had it
wrong and only later doctrine, which consists of
nothing more than majority opinion is to be believed?
And btw, you were all wrong on your dates. This
garbage that you believe wasn't even heard of before
Darby. Mark was right. And it didn't come into any
force until 1830 A.D.. The Reformation did not preach
a Rapture.
Since Mark hit it right on the head, I won't bother
typing it all out, but rather, will just paste a
reference to his message to you which, btw, you have
thus far been able to deal with...
http://tinyurl.com/6bkgh
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: ! GEORGANN'S CONTRADICTIONS ! |
21 Nov 2004 11:53:43 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1fi1q09qn8a15m34hpsm60s3gguigjp3bc@4ax.com...
You said this....
Georgann: The Rapture is not "revelation that came
after the Bible" but is noted throughout both the OT
and the NT.
But previously said this:
Georgann: In a sense everything in mainstream Christian
"thought" comes from a time far later than the 1st C
AD. We can look to Catholicism for much of what is
believed on the very basics but Catholic theology was
shrouded in mystery, taught (if at all) in a dead
language and remained practically inaccessible to the
general public until Bibles were first printed
(Gutenberg 1450s, still unfortunately in Latin). By the
time the Protestant Reformation hit the scene full
force several doctrines, incl. the Rapture, "End Times"
and Dispensationalism - the doctrine of God's continued
revelation of Biblically supported truths not
previously recognized, were squarely accepted as
mainstream Christian ideas. Various denominations tilt
towards or emphasize some doctrines more than others
but generally they claim to hold to remarkably similar
"truths" in their statements of faith.
There are numbers of individuals (too many for me to
look up for you) responsible for these doctrinal
additions but the real key is how any doctrine is added
to what it considered "mainstream" and the importance
of checking out any doctrinal ideas with the greater
body of Christians.
The greater body of Christianity, through review and
scholarship, must generally agree that a doctrine is
sound enough to be included in mainstream Christian
teachings. IOW if the peer reviews of the best trained
Christian theologians of multi-denominations cannot
agree on its soundness, then it is rejected. But if
sufficient numbers of these scholars agree then it is
considered appropriate for teaching.
******************************************************************
Now, which is it? It is "easily seen" in the Bible, as
you told me in another message, or the Apostles had it
wrong and only later doctrine, which consists of
nothing more than majority opinion is to be believed?
And btw, you were all wrong on your dates. This
garbage that you believe wasn't even heard of before
Darby. Mark was right. And it didn't come into any
force until 1830 A.D.. The Reformation did not preach
a Rapture.
Since Mark hit it right on the head, I won't bother
typing it all out, but rather, will just paste a
reference to his message to you which, btw, you have
thus far been able to deal with...
http://tinyurl.com/6bkgh
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
/
o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
\
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
Why would you post this in alt.atheism? We think you are both equally
wrong...
You know, it is astounding watching the mental gymnastics you theists have
to perform to try to fit your version of the god story into reality.
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: ! GEORGANN'S CONTRADICTIONS ! |
22 Nov 2004 11:03:33 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
You said this....
Georgann: The Rapture is not "revelation that came
after the Bible" but is noted throughout both the OT
and the NT.
But previously said this:
Georgann: In a sense everything in mainstream Christian
"thought" comes from a time far later than the 1st C
AD. We can look to Catholicism for much of what is
believed on the very basics but Catholic theology was
shrouded in mystery, taught (if at all) in a dead
language and remained practically inaccessible to the
general public until Bibles were first printed
(Gutenberg 1450s, still unfortunately in Latin). By the
time the Protestant Reformation hit the scene full
force several doctrines, incl. the Rapture, "End Times"
and Dispensationalism - the doctrine of God's continued
revelation of Biblically supported truths not
previously recognized, were squarely accepted as
mainstream Christian ideas. Various denominations tilt
towards or emphasize some doctrines more than others
but generally they claim to hold to remarkably similar
"truths" in their statements of faith.
In fact the ideas have been heretical from Scofield's creation of
them. They remain heretical. They are profoundly contrary to Christian
theology. They were never widely accepted in Christianity. The
fruitcakes which swallow number maybe 40 million and are primarily in
the United States. Out of 1.5 billion Christians those uneducated
rednecks aren't even in the running.
--
It is deadly to mythologize great leaders for their actions
instead of their virtues. Virtues are always good. Actions
are mythologized and different from what they really were.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3277
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ! GEORGANN'S CONTRADICTIONS ! |
23 Nov 2004 09:11:54 AM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:03:33 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.RoMeVE.com>
pontificated:
Pastor Dave wrote:
You said this....
Georgann: The Rapture is not "revelation that came
after the Bible" but is noted throughout both the OT
and the NT.
But previously said this:
Georgann: In a sense everything in mainstream Christian
"thought" comes from a time far later than the 1st C
AD. We can look to Catholicism for much of what is
believed on the very basics but Catholic theology was
shrouded in mystery, taught (if at all) in a dead
language and remained practically inaccessible to the
general public until Bibles were first printed
(Gutenberg 1450s, still unfortunately in Latin). By the
time the Protestant Reformation hit the scene full
force several doctrines, incl. the Rapture, "End Times"
and Dispensationalism - the doctrine of God's continued
revelation of Biblically supported truths not
previously recognized, were squarely accepted as
mainstream Christian ideas. Various denominations tilt
towards or emphasize some doctrines more than others
but generally they claim to hold to remarkably similar
"truths" in their statements of faith.
In fact the ideas have been heretical from Scofield's creation of
them. They remain heretical. They are profoundly contrary to Christian
theology. They were never widely accepted in Christianity. The
fruitcakes which swallow number maybe 40 million and are primarily in
the United States. Out of 1.5 billion Christians those uneducated
rednecks aren't even in the running.
It is true that this is really a U.S. phenomenon.
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: ! GEORGANN'S CONTRADICTIONS ! |
24 Nov 2004 09:27:45 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:03:33 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.RoMeVE.com>
pontificated:
Pastor Dave wrote:
You said this....
Georgann: The Rapture is not "revelation that came
after the Bible" but is noted throughout both the OT
and the NT.
But previously said this:
Georgann: In a sense everything in mainstream Christian
"thought" comes from a time far later than the 1st C
AD. We can look to Catholicism for much of what is
believed on the very basics but Catholic theology was
shrouded in mystery, taught (if at all) in a dead
language and remained practically inaccessible to the
general public until Bibles were first printed
(Gutenberg 1450s, still unfortunately in Latin). By the
time the Protestant Reformation hit the scene full
force several doctrines, incl. the Rapture, "End Times"
and Dispensationalism - the doctrine of God's continued
revelation of Biblically supported truths not
previously recognized, were squarely accepted as
mainstream Christian ideas. Various denominations tilt
towards or emphasize some doctrines more than others
but generally they claim to hold to remarkably similar
"truths" in their statements of faith.
In fact the ideas have been heretical from Scofield's creation of
them. They remain heretical. They are profoundly contrary to Christian
theology. They were never widely accepted in Christianity. The
fruitcakes which swallow number maybe 40 million and are primarily in
the United States. Out of 1.5 billion Christians those uneducated
rednecks aren't even in the running.
It is true that this is really a U.S. phenomenon.
That it is primarily composed of uneducated rednecks is also true.
It is for the superstitious. It holds that every verse is absolutely
true and therefore it is legitimate for people to mix and match verses
from any place in the bible totally out of context with each other to
create any combined meaning they wish.
It is one step away from picking individual words from all over the
bible and putting them together into a sentence and claiming the
sentence is the word of god.
It is two steps away from bible codes which do the same thing with
individual letters to find mention of current events and,
unsurprisingly, the first hundred words of the Microsoft End User
License Agreement.
All three are equally ignorant.
--
Fallujah problems started when Americans slaughtered 600 of them
to revenge the murder of four armed American mercenaries. What
kind of justification is this?
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3278
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