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@ GOD YAHWEH CAN DO AS HE WISHES @ |
Since God created the universe and owns it He can do whatever He wants
to do with his universe.
This God of the Bible whose name is Yahweh has under His control
everything that takes place in the universe.
Every movement of matter the universe is built from is God's working.
You could not move a hand to kill somebody unless God permitted you to
do so - you had a specific kind of thinking that finds its expression
externally and God moved the matter accordingly to your thinking and
you are responsible as you had this special kind of thinking .
Going in this line of thinking we can know that when we die it is
God causing our death.
So if some people attack God that he is a murderer they have no idea
who is God and what they are talking about !
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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21 Oct 2005 06:04:21 PM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
Since God created the universe and owns it He can do whatever He wants
to do with his universe.
===>And so, since "he" did NOT, there's no supernatural power to do
anything "he wants to do". -- L.
This God of the Bible whose name is Yahweh has under His control
everything that takes place in the universe.
===>"Obves"ly you are fantasizing. -- L.
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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| Title: God Does His Will |
21 Oct 2005 07:18:48 PM |
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God created the universe
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God. The same was in the
beginning with God. All things were made by him; and
without him was not any thing made that was made.
For by him were all things created, that are in
heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by
him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by
him all things consist. And he is the head of the
body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn
from the dead; that in all things he might have the
preeminence.
He can do whatever He wants to do with his
universe.
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth:
and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall
perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall
wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou
change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art
the same, and thy years shall have no end.
The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and
the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned
up.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for
new heavens and a new earth.
Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the
former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
when we die it is God causing our death.
I am come that they might have life, and that they
might have it more abundantly.
He must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his
feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
As the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he
also himself likewise took part of the same; that
through death he might destroy him that had the power
of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who
through fear of death were all their lifetime subject
to bondage.
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer:
behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison,
that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation
ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will
give thee a crown of life.
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| User: "Expozem DeSoona DeBetta" |
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21 Oct 2005 08:52:53 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129940327.989236.26860@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
God created the universe
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
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Thy pleasure? Then why does he kill them with disease, parasites and old
age? Why does he have the lion slaughter the lambs? A horrible death for
the prey. The bible says he also likes the aroma of roasting animal
corpses. I'll pass on such a god.
--
Eler....
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote:
I'm not an authorized distributor or reseller, neither have
I been licensed to collect funds and distribute their CD.
From: "le ténébreux" <prince.d'aquitaine@tour.abolie>
I still haven't worked out how they can claim information
revealed to them by God for the benefit of all mankind as their
intellectual property subject to their own distribution rules. :-P
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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22 Oct 2005 11:13:29 PM |
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I'll pass on such a god.
(Then) how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent
not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
that the world through him might be saved. He that
believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of
God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come
into the world, and men loved darkness rather than
light, because their deeds were evil. For every one
that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to
the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he
that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds
may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
*******
stop pretending that free will equals God stopping
the bad stuff and letting the good stuff through.
I have set before thee this day life and good, and
death and evil.
Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed
may live.
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have
no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the
wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye
from your evil ways; for why will ye die?
cease to pretend that you would believe God if He
proved Himself to you, when we both know that no
level of proof would be sufficient to you.
That which may be known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible
things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that
they are without excuse.
*******
(Eve) was set-up for a fall in the Garden of Eden.
I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled
Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be
corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Some atheists I knew were near geniuses with IQs
over 165.
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you
seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a
fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this
world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He
taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again,
The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they
are vain.
Christ sent me (to) preach the gospel: not with
wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be
made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross
is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which
are saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring
to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is
the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer
of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom
of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God
the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by
the foolishness of preaching to save them that
believe.
Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
The holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise
unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
Receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is
able to save your souls.
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are
lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of
the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of
God, should shine unto them.
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh
the devil, and taketh away the word out of their
hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
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| User: "Expozem DeSoona DeBetta" |
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23 Oct 2005 12:06:05 AM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130040809.142636.303670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I'll pass on such a god.
(Then) how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
## Why would I be damned and sent to hell? These are imaginary things
dreamed up by ancient men with no knowledge of science or biology. The gods
were the answer to everything. IOW, do as we say or you'll be punished
forever....
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, /snip!
## If he so loved the world he would have simply forgiven Adam and Eve and
moved on like any sane and rational god would have done.
--
Eler.........
http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
www.JWFiles.com
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www.Watchtowerobserver.org
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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23 Oct 2005 06:33:17 PM |
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no knowledge of science
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit,
nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is
with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God
who maketh all.
(Avoid) profane and vain babblings, and oppositions
of science falsely so called: Which some professing
have erred concerning the faith.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things
before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the
error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord
and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now
and for ever. Amen.
If he so loved the world he would have simply
forgiven Adam and Eve and moved on
Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou
shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest
thereof thou shalt surely die.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life.
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the
knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as
his divine power hath given unto us all things that
pertain unto life and godliness, through the
knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and
virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and
precious promises: that by these ye might be
partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust.
like any sane and rational god would have done.
The preaching of the cross is to them that perish
foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the
power of God.
We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But
unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and
the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he
liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in
him, but we shall live with him by the power of God
toward you.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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23 Oct 2005 06:45:53 PM |
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More garbage
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130110397.188568.307750@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
no knowledge of science
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit,
nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is
with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God
who maketh all.
(Avoid) profane and vain babblings, and oppositions
of science falsely so called: Which some professing
have erred concerning the faith.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things
before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the
error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord
and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now
and for ever. Amen.
If he so loved the world he would have simply
forgiven Adam and Eve and moved on
Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou
shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest
thereof thou shalt surely die.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life.
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the
knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as
his divine power hath given unto us all things that
pertain unto life and godliness, through the
knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and
virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and
precious promises: that by these ye might be
partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust.
like any sane and rational god would have done.
The preaching of the cross is to them that perish
foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the
power of God.
We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But
unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and
the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he
liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in
him, but we shall live with him by the power of God
toward you.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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22 Oct 2005 11:12:02 PM |
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why does he kill them with disease, parasites and
old age?
The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
As by one man sin entered into the world, and death
by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that
all have sinned.
I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are
not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall
be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the
creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of
God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not
willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected
the same in hope, Because the creature itself also
shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption
into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For
we know that the whole creation groaneth and
travaileth in pain together until now.
Why does he have the lion slaughter the lambs?
The wolf (shall) dwell with the lamb, and the
leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf
and the young lion and the fatling together; and a
little child shall lead them. And the cow and the
bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the
asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the
cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in
all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of
the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the
sea.
A horrible death for the prey.
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the
devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom
he may devour.
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer:
behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison,
that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation
ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will
give thee a crown of life.
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his
saints.
(God) shall redeem their soul from deceit and
violence: and precious shall their blood be in his
sight.
Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will
avenge the blood of his servants, and will render
vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful
unto his land, and to his people.
he also likes the aroma of roasting animal corpses
It is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of
a sweet savour unto the LORD.
Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it
altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt,
this is written.
As Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself
for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a
sweetsmelling savour.
It pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to
grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for
sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his
days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in
his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul,
and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my
righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear
their iniquities.
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of
God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,
holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable
service.
For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ.
For we which live are alway delivered unto death for
Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be
made manifest in our mortal flesh.
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| User: "Expozem DeSoona DeBetta" |
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23 Oct 2005 12:02:47 AM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130040722.668505.235830@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
why does he kill them with disease, parasites and
old age?
The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
## Why should we pay for someone else's so called sin?
As by one man sin entered into the world, and death
by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that
all have sinned.
## This is absurd thinking. Why punish everyone for the sin of someone
else? And just because one person sins doesn't mean all people do, or will.
What one society considers sins another doesn't.
--
Eler.........
Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people
including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be
saved for later sexual abuse (concubinage & forced marriage) by Moses'
soldiers.
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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23 Oct 2005 06:29:41 PM |
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Why should we pay for someone else's so called sin?
Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of
God.
For we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles,
that they are all under sin; As it is written, There
is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that
understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together
become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good,
no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with
their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of
asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of
cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed
blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And
the way of peace have they not known: There is no
fear of God before their eyes.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of
God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our
transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with
his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have
gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;
and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
For when we were yet without strength, in due time
Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a
righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a
good man some would even dare to die. But God
commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then,
being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved
from wrath through him.
*******
Why would I be damned and sent to hell?
For the wages of sin is death.
Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his
mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on
them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel
of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with
everlasting destruction.
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his
saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince
all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly
deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all
their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken
against him. These are murmurers, complainers,
walking after their own lusts; and their mouth
speaketh great swelling words.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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23 Oct 2005 06:45:38 PM |
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Garbage
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130110181.600273.139590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Why should we pay for someone else's so called sin?
Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of
God.
For we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles,
that they are all under sin; As it is written, There
is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that
understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together
become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good,
no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with
their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of
asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of
cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed
blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And
the way of peace have they not known: There is no
fear of God before their eyes.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of
God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our
transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with
his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have
gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;
and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
For when we were yet without strength, in due time
Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a
righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a
good man some would even dare to die. But God
commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then,
being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved
from wrath through him.
*******
Why would I be damned and sent to hell?
For the wages of sin is death.
Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his
mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on
them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel
of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with
everlasting destruction.
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his
saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince
all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly
deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all
their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken
against him. These are murmurers, complainers,
walking after their own lusts; and their mouth
speaketh great swelling words.
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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25 Oct 2005 02:13:06 AM |
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Garbage
To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they
may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and
they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is
unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
*******
More garbage
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise
of God. Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on
me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And
he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a
light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my
words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came
not to judge the world, but to save the world. He
that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath
one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken,
the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have
not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what
I should speak. And I know that his commandment is
life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even
as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
*******
More and more garbage
And these are they by the way side, where the word is
sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh
immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown
in their hearts.
Wine is very mystical.
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and
whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of
flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to
poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions?
who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who
hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the
wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou
upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his
colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At
the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like
an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and
thine heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou
shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the
sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They
have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick;
they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I
awake? I will seek it yet again.
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that
they may follow strong drink; that continue until
night, till wine inflame them!
They (have) erred through wine, and through strong
drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet
have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed
up of wine, they are out of the way through strong
drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so
that there is no place clean.
Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will
fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall
be as this day, and much more abundant.
Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.
Ye gave the Nazarites wine to drink; and commanded
the prophets, saying, Prophesy not.
If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie,
saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of
strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this
people.
Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be
filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in
psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and
making melody in your heart to the Lord.
The time past of our life may suffice us to have
wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in
lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings,
banquetings, and abominable idolatries.
The inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk
with the wine of her fornication.
Their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields
of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their
clusters are bitter: Their wine is the poison of
dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
If any man worship the beast and his image, and
receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the
same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of
his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire
and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and
in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their
torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have
no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his
image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
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Let me change your name, Learned Hebrew, found out the Bible I was using was
corrupt.
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Garbage
To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they
may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and
they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is
unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
*******
More garbage
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise
of God. Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on
me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And
he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a
light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my
words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came
not to judge the world, but to save the world. He
that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath
one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken,
the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have
not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what
I should speak. And I know that his commandment is
life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even
as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
*******
More and more garbage
And these are they by the way side, where the word is
sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh
immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown
in their hearts.
Wine is very mystical.
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and
whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of
flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to
poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions?
who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who
hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the
wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou
upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his
colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At
the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like
an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and
thine heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou
shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the
sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They
have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick;
they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I
awake? I will seek it yet again.
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that
they may follow strong drink; that continue until
night, till wine inflame them!
They (have) erred through wine, and through strong
drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet
have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed
up of wine, they are out of the way through strong
drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so
that there is no place clean.
Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will
fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall
be as this day, and much more abundant.
Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.
Ye gave the Nazarites wine to drink; and commanded
the prophets, saying, Prophesy not.
If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie,
saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of
strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this
people.
Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be
filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in
psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and
making melody in your heart to the Lord.
The time past of our life may suffice us to have
wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in
lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings,
banquetings, and abominable idolatries.
The inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk
with the wine of her fornication.
Their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields
of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their
clusters are bitter: Their wine is the poison of
dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
If any man worship the beast and his image, and
receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the
same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of
his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire
and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and
in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their
torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have
no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his
image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
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23 Oct 2005 09:52:12 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why should we pay for someone else's so called sin?
Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of
God.
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What glory? He couldn't even get the story straight to the scribes:
Moses' personality - the bible is loaded with blood, gore and
contradictions:
Num.12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were
upon the fact of the earth."
But wait, there's this gruesome bit of death and destruction.
Num.31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye
saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep
alive for yourselves."
This contradiction points to two very different personalities. God use was
confused....... and allowed genocide!!!
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CR.....
Well, then, have I become YOUR enemy because I
tell YOU the truth (about the JWs)?
Galatians 4:16 NWT
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25 Oct 2005 02:20:07 AM |
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(the Bible is loaded with) contradictions
(No)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness.
(God) allowed genocide
(Only under God's Old Covenant judgment of nations
like Midian which had drawn Israel into idolatry, or
the nations of the promised land defiled by heinous
sins)
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for
in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out
before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do
visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land
itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall
therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and
shall not commit any of these abominations; neither
any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: For all these abominations
have the men of the land done, which were before you,
and the land is defiled; That the land spue not you
out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the
nations that were before you. For whosoever shall
commit any of these abominations, even the souls that
commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye
commit not any one of these abominable customs, which
were committed before you, and that ye defile not
yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land
whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out
many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the
Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites,
and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the
Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than
thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them
before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly
destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them,
nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make
marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give
unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto
thy son. For they will turn away thy son from
following me, that they may serve other gods: so will
the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and
destroy thee suddenly. But thus shall ye deal with
them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down
their images, and cut down their groves, and burn
their graven images with fire. For thou art an holy
people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath
chosen thee to be a special people unto himself,
above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
The LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee;
as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he
shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou
drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD
hath said unto thee. Speak not thou in thine heart,
after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from
before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD
hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the
wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them
out from before thee. Not for thy righteousness, or
for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to
possess their land: but for the wickedness of these
nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from
before thee, and that he may perform the word which
the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob.
(No genocide, no violence allowed under New Covenant)
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will
make a new covenant.
I (Jesus) say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and
pray for them which despitefully use you, and
persecute you.
I (Jesus) say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but
whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn
to him the other also.
Avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto
wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will
repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy
hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for
in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his
head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with
good.
(Only civil authorities can employ police and
judicial powers of life and death)
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For
there is no power but of God: the powers that be are
ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the
power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that
resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For
rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the
evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do
that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the
same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he
beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister
of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that
doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not
only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for
this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's
ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the
Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him
for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise
of them that do well.
(We are to) be subject to principalities and powers,
to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but
gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
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25 Oct 2005 02:17:51 AM |
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All have sinned, and come short of the glory of
God.
What glory?
If thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the
glory of God.
The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we
beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten
of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all
things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God
Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of
saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify
thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations
shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments
are made manifest.
When they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
the Bible is loaded with blood, gore
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh
and blood, (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of
the same; that through death he might destroy him
that had the power of death, that is, the devil.
Almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
This is my blood of the new testament (new covenant),
which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
(Jesus) loved us, and washed us from our sins in his
own blood.
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we
shall be saved from wrath through him.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath
eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints,
and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.
Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of
the poor innocents.
Glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath
judged the great *****, which did corrupt the earth
with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of
his servants at her hand.
This is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of
vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries:
and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate
and made drunk with their blood.
The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the
vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the
wicked. So that a man shall say, Verily there is a
reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that
judgeth in the earth.
That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine
enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same.
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god
with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I
heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my
hand. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I
live for ever. If I whet my glittering sword, and
mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render
vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that
hate me. I will make mine arrows drunk with blood,
and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the
blood of the slain and of the captives, from the
beginning of revenges upon the enemy. Rejoice, O ye
nations, with his people: for he will avenge the
blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to
his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land,
and to his people.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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21 Oct 2005 10:04:12 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:52:53 -0500, "Expozem DeSoona
DeBetta" <expoze-evil@theWatchtowers.net> spake thusly:
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129940327.989236.26860@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
God created the universe
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
===============
Thy pleasure? Then why does he kill them with disease, parasites and old
age? Why does he have the lion slaughter the lambs? A horrible death for
the prey. The bible says he also likes the aroma of roasting animal
corpses. I'll pass on such a god.
I'll make a deal with you.
I'll engage in a dialogue with you and provide you
with answers.
In return, you will stop the stupid, insulting remarks,
which lack any sense of logic.
For example, you claim there is no God and yet,
point your finger at Him for your problems.
For example, you will not respond in an idiotic form
in which you assume that I didn't get your point,
which was that if there is a God, then He is guilty.
For example, you will cease the idiocy which assume,
without any reason whatsoever, that if God is real
and there are diseases, that it is all God's fault.
If, for example, man creates a virus and it gets loose,
you want to be dishonest and pretend that if God
is real, then that's His fault, instead of pointing your
finger at the men who let the virus out.
For example, you will stop pretending that free will
equals God stopping the bad stuff and letting the
good stuff through.
For example, you will cease to pretend that you would
believe God if He proved Himself to you, when we both
know that no level of proof would be sufficient to you.
If God appeared in front of you right now, you would
assume that you were dreaming, or that you had a
hallucination. If God appeared in the sky, for all to see,
you and every other atheist out there, would claim that
it was a mass hallucination, even though it is impossible
for a mass hallucination to happen. How do I know this?
Simple, it has been claimed before. And that proves that
scientists are basically dishonest, just as most other men.
Why do I say that? Simple. There was no outlash by them,
making sure that people knew that these supernatural
events could not be anything but a real vision, since there
is no such thing as a "mass hallucination". That's why. (:
I could go on, but the point is, if you wish to act in an
honest manner, then I will engage in an honest dialogue
with you. I will not however, get sucked into your little
game, sir.
I am not trying to brag here, but just so you know, you
would be a fool to assume that when you saw the title
pastor, that I am uneducated. And frankly, by the wording
of your message, it seems that you are not too bright.
I'm sorry if that sounds insulting and I truly hope that
I am wrong. I really do hope that. But just so you know,
I am very well educated in various sciences. My IQ is 151.
I am well capable of debating various issues and will not
allow you to try to argue in a circle. I am also well
educated in psychology.
Now if you wish to continue after knowing these things
and if you wish to do it honestly, without your snide
little remarks and without deception, which trust me,
I will pick up on before you finish typing half a sentence,
then I truly and sincerely applaud you! You will be a cut
above the rest and you will have then shown your superior
intelligence over the other atheists, who are unable to
rely on anything except their cheap, arrogant insulting
comments and then slam even harder, whenever they
are getting their asses handed to them on a platter.
So what say you? Are you game? Or are you typical?
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
- Israel 49:6
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24 Oct 2005 02:42:25 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c7ajl197nmq4b43ce5lukkocd8fhqem2bq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:52:53 -0500, "Expozem DeSoona
DeBetta" <expoze-evil@theWatchtowers.net> spake thusly:
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129940327.989236.26860@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
God created the universe
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
===============
Thy pleasure? Then why does he kill them with disease, parasites and old
age? Why does he have the lion slaughter the lambs? A horrible death
for
the prey. The bible says he also likes the aroma of roasting animal
corpses. I'll pass on such a god.
I'll make a deal with you.
I'll engage in a dialogue with you and provide you
with answers.
In return, you will stop the stupid, insulting remarks,
which lack any sense of logic.
Interesting how you often complain that other people are making stupid and
insulting remarks, yet you seem to be the main culprit. Aren't you going to
tell this poster to "Get the Hell off alt.messianic" too?
I am not trying to brag here, but just so you know, you
would be a fool to assume that when you saw the title
pastor, that I am uneducated.
You seem that way. You seem unable to produce a cogent argument without
resorting to foul language.
And frankly, by the wording
of your message, it seems that you are not too bright.
Oh, so now you are suggesting that this poster is stupid.
I'm sorry if that sounds insulting and I truly hope that
I am wrong. I really do hope that. But just so you know,
I am very well educated in various sciences. My IQ is 151.
I am well capable of debating various issues
That might be, but you have yet to demonstrate that here.
and will not
allow you to try to argue in a circle. I am also well
educated in psychology.
Apparently, your psychology professors must have forgotten to mention that
you don't win an argument by insulting people.
Now if you wish to continue after knowing these things
and if you wish to do it honestly, without your snide
little remarks and without deception, which trust me,
I will pick up on before you finish typing half a sentence,
then I truly and sincerely applaud you! You will be a cut
above the rest and you will have then shown your superior
intelligence over the other atheists, who are unable to
rely on anything except their cheap, arrogant insulting
comments
You mean the atheists use the same "debating techniques" that you do? They
must all have IQs of 151 and degrees in psychology too!
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
and then slam even harder, whenever they
are getting their asses handed to them on a platter.
So what say you? Are you game? Or are you typical?
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
- Israel 49:6
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24 Oct 2005 05:12:04 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:42:25 GMT, "cindys"
<cstein1@rochester.rr.com> spake thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c7ajl197nmq4b43ce5lukkocd8fhqem2bq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:52:53 -0500, "Expozem DeSoona
DeBetta" <expoze-evil@theWatchtowers.net> spake thusly:
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129940327.989236.26860@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
God created the universe
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
===============
Thy pleasure? Then why does he kill them with disease, parasites and old
age? Why does he have the lion slaughter the lambs? A horrible death
for
the prey. The bible says he also likes the aroma of roasting animal
corpses. I'll pass on such a god.
I'll make a deal with you.
I'll engage in a dialogue with you and provide you
with answers.
In return, you will stop the stupid, insulting remarks,
which lack any sense of logic.
Interesting how you often complain that other people are making stupid and
insulting remarks, yet you seem to be the main culprit. Aren't you going to
tell this poster to "Get the Hell off alt.messianic" too?
Making things up again? I guess you have to scrounge around
for posts by me, to have something to attack me for.
I am not trying to brag here, but just so you know, you
would be a fool to assume that when you saw the title
pastor, that I am uneducated.
You seem that way. You seem unable to produce a cogent argument without
resorting to foul language.
Whatever you say. I'm not the one who tried to claim that
other people shouldn't express their beliefs in a debate
group and I'm not the one who has run away from every
debate we've had.
But you go ahead and live in your fantasy world, in which
you've actually ever made an intelligent argument.
Meanwhile, I'll sit here, ready to debate anything you want.
That is, as soon as you're done pouting about having your
lunacy pointed out to you.
You pick the topic. I'll even be nice. :)
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:52:53 -0500, "Expozem DeSoona
DeBetta" <expoze-evil@theWatchtowers.net> spake thusly:
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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God created the universe
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
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Thy pleasure? Then why does he kill them with disease, parasites and old
age? Why does he have the lion slaughter the lambs? A horrible death for
the prey. The bible says he also likes the aroma of roasting animal
corpses. I'll pass on such a god.
I'll make a deal with you.
I'll engage in a dialogue with you and provide you
with answers.
$ I know the answers you'll provide. I'll hear about how Eve screwed up the
whole earth because she was set-up for a fall in the Garden of Eden. Of
course she *fell* to trickery and beguilement. God then used this as an
excuse.... and we all know the rest.
In return, you will stop the stupid, insulting remarks,
which lack any sense of logic.
## Which insulting remarks that have no sense or logic? Are you going to
tell me someone else created the diseases, parasites and old age? That god
doesn't really like the aroma of burnt animal carcasses?
For example, you claim there is no God and yet,
point your finger at Him for your problems.
## Which problems? I'm not diseased or do I have parasites. But yes, one
day I'll die of old age. Who is to blame if there is a god? Who or what is
to blame if there isn't? When I see this god I'll believe. I see no
evidence of a god at this point in time.
For example, you will not respond in an idiotic form
in which you assume that I didn't get your point,
which was that if there is a God, then He is guilty.
## Do you get my point? Somehow I doubt that you do. By creating a disease
that kills people - and people die from it - then yes the creator of that
disease is guilty. Who else would be guilty?
For example, you will cease the idiocy which assume,
## For example, you need to cease the idiocy which assumes that someone else
created all these man-killing diseases and old age.
without any reason whatsoever, that if God is real
and there are diseases, that it is all God's fault.
## Who else had the ability to create them if not this god?
If, for example, man creates a virus and it gets loose,
you want to be dishonest and pretend that if God
is real, then that's His fault, instead of pointing your
finger at the men who let the virus out.
## I covered that above. Whoever created these diseases, including old age,
is responsible.
For example, you will stop pretending that free will
equals God stopping the bad stuff and letting the
good stuff through.
## Wrong poster. I never said that.
For example, you will cease to pretend that you would
believe God if He proved Himself to you,
## Who the hell are YOU to tell someone what to believe? Why would any god
who needs worship as badly as this ancient Hebrew god not reveal itself to
everyone? He'd then get all the worship he seems to do desperately crave.
when we both
know that no level of proof would be sufficient to you.
## We both know if this god revealed itself it would sufficient proof for
anyone, even the most devout atheist.
If God appeared in front of you right now, you would
assume that you were dreaming, or that you had a
hallucination.
## That would be anyone's first reaction.
If God appeared in the sky, for all to see,
you and every other atheist out there, would claim that
it was a mass hallucination, even though it is impossible
for a mass hallucination to happen. How do I know this?
Simple, it has been claimed before. And that proves that
scientists are basically dishonest,
## You fundies always try and discredit all scientists to better further you
cause.
just as most other men.
Why do I say that? Simple. There was no outlash by them,
making sure that people knew that these supernatural
events could not be anything but a real vision, since there
is no such thing as a "mass hallucination". That's why. (:
## Mass hallucination does indeed exist. I saw it happen on L.I. in NY
many years ago when a whole group of people claimed to have seen a UFO. Many
saw "something" fall from it - nothing was there = hence they had a mass
hallucination of some kind. Claiming scientists are dishonest just makes
you look like another dishonest southern bible thumper.
I could go on, but the point is, if you wish to act in an
honest manner,
## You mean an HONEST manner - not agreeing with your beliefs.
then I will engage in an honest dialogue
with you. I will not however, get sucked into your little
game, sir.
## You poor thing, living in your fantasy world........
I am not trying to brag here, but just so you know, you
would be a fool to assume that when you saw the title
pastor, that I am uneducated.
## No one said that - you keep assuming you can read poster's minds.
And frankly, by the wording
of your message, it seems that you are not too bright.
## You always say that when someone disagrees with your religious BS.
I'm sorry if that sounds insulting
## You are insulting. That's why I don't believe for a minute you're a
real pastor. If you are it's one of those back water oddball churches you
find at the end of a dirt road somewhere.
and I truly hope that
I am wrong. I really do hope that.
## No, you hope you can insult me into believing as you do.
But just so you know,
I am very well educated in various sciences. My IQ is 151.
## Then we're almost equal.
I am well capable of debating various issues and will not
allow you to try to argue in a circle. I am also well
educated in psychology.
## As am I, so you can't BS me into your way of thinking.
Now if you wish to continue after knowing these things
and if you wish to do it honestly,
## Honestly means I would have to AGREE with you at every turn. I see how
you operate.
without your snide
little remarks and without deception,
## But your snide remarks and deception is ok - right?
which trust me,
I will pick up on before you finish typing half a sentence,
## As I do with you.
then I truly and sincerely applaud you! You will be a cut
above the rest and you will have then shown your superior
intelligence over the other atheists,
## More insults? Some atheists I knew were near geniuses with IQs over 165.
I don't believe you have any degrees in psychology because of the way you
phrase things and use accusations and put downs to get others to agree with
you. If you took psychology you failed miserably. Only a fool uses the
techniques you do and they use them on even less educated and intelligent
people - those at the lower rungs of society. What ever gave you the idea
that atheists don't get college and university degrees is beyond me. Do you
live in deep rural area where the smartest man in town cleans cow barns for
a living and lives in an old mobile home?
who are unable to
rely on anything except their cheap, arrogant insulting
comments and then slam even harder,
## More proof you never took psychology and are full of BS. You prove it
with every paragraph you write.
whenever they
are getting their asses handed to them on a platter.
## You're ***** has just been handed to you you fake. You're nothing but
pastor wannabe.....
So what say you? Are you game? Or are you typical?
## Am I game for your endless bragging and barrage of mindless insults?
LOL!!!! You gotta be kidding me! If you need angst relief go talk to a
real minister or a counselor. Don't come here to Usenet and insult those
who disagree with you. It shows you to be an ignorant, poorly educated
backwoods redneck looking to bost his ego in any way he can.....
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
## Pastor Eler. I'm 2nd Century Church of Christ.
--
Eler..........
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: God Does His Will |
22 Oct 2005 05:02:51 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:09:53 -0500, "Expozem DeSoona
DeBetta" <expoze-evil@theWatchtowers.net> spake thusly:
I'll make a deal with you.
I'll engage in a dialogue with you and provide you
with answers.
$ I know the answers you'll provide.
Okay, then never mind. It is clear that you seek
only to insult. Goodbye.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
- Israel 49:6
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: God Does His Will |
22 Oct 2005 09:03:37 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ef3kl11mcicqs9uaspmihedonovsbtb6mq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:09:53 -0500, "Expozem DeSoona
DeBetta" <expoze-evil@theWatchtowers.net> spake thusly:
I'll make a deal with you.
I'll engage in a dialogue with you and provide you
with answers.
$ I know the answers you'll provide.
Okay, then never mind. It is clear that you seek
only to insult. Goodbye.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
- Israel 49:6
Pastor Dave, you were posting to a sociopath with MPD disorder whom for
years traumatizes people seeking help in various abused forums and victims
newsgroups, posts fabrications about the Bible simply to flame religious
newsgroups, and masquerades as diverse characters such as an elderly woman
living in Nashville, Tennessee, a man living in Camden, New Jersey who once
posted to religion newsgroups and a host of other characters.
This individual's postings call to my mind how "the lips of the stupid one
swallow him up. The start of the words of his mouth is foolishness, and the
end afterward of his mouth is calamitous madness." (Ecclesiastes 10:12-13)
I learned the hard way through this individual postings a truth that Jesus
imparted to his followers: "Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw
YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet
and turn around and rip YOU open." (Matthew 7:6)
Every time someone posts to this individual I recall this scripture. I can
actually "hear" what sounds like a jar of marbles spilling onto a hardwood
floor, and the sound of hooves scampering through those pearls, kicking and
scattering those pearls across the room in all directions... more "pearls"
by sincere people getting trampled under Carol's mindless hooves.
Exclamations of disbelief accompany the sounds of grunting noises and
beautiful pearls scattering everywhere.
We all want to share our "pearls" with those who are worthy of receiving
them. Therein lies the challenge.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: God Does His Will - exposes the WTS |
22 Oct 2005 09:23:33 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:1130033192_567@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
Pastor Dave, you were posting to a sociopath with MPD disorder whom for
years traumatizes people seeking help in various abused forums and victims
newsgroups,
$$ You're claiming a person in TN was going back and forth to Camden NJ to
post to Usenet? Then you must have all the ISP logs as proof to show us -
right? If not - then you admit this is more "theocratic warfare strategy."
How was this feat accomplished? Did she fly back and forth (900 miles)
several times a day?
posts fabrications about the Bible simply to flame religious
newsgroups, and masquerades as diverse characters such as an elderly woman
living in Nashville, Tennessee,
$$ I am an older woman living in TN.
a man living in Camden, New Jersey who once
posted to religion newsgroups and a host of other characters.
$$ That's Jabriol/Antonio L. Santana your brother JW now posting under many
names and using many e-mail addresses. A quick look at his headers tells us
who is who. :-)
This individual's postings call to my mind how "the lips of the stupid one
swallow him up. The start of the words of his mouth is foolishness, and
the end afterward of his mouth is calamitous madness." (Ecclesiastes
10:12-13)
$$ And your lips just swallowed you up since anyone can look at the IP
numbers in the headers and know that the elderly women in TN and the JW
brother known as JABRIOL in Camden NJ are not the same poster. Your LIPS
gave you away but your desperation and clawing at damage control gives you
away...... snip the rest of your trying to cover for your brother Jabriol
in Camden NJ/Walnut St. Congragation, Camden.
Why do you JWs deny your brother Antonio L. Santana aka Jabriol so
vigorously?
--
Eler......
--Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "
- George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: God Does His Will |
23 Oct 2005 03:09:53 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:03:37 -0700, "Precision"
<precision@Usenet.com> spake thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ef3kl11mcicqs9uaspmihedonovsbtb6mq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:09:53 -0500, "Expozem DeSoona
DeBetta" <expoze-evil@theWatchtowers.net> spake thusly:
I'll make a deal with you.
I'll engage in a dialogue with you and provide you
with answers.
$ I know the answers you'll provide.
Okay, then never mind. It is clear that you seek
only to insult. Goodbye.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
- Israel 49:6
Pastor Dave, you were posting to a sociopath with MPD disorder whom for
years traumatizes people seeking help in various abused forums and victims
newsgroups, posts fabrications about the Bible simply to flame religious
newsgroups, and masquerades as diverse characters such as an elderly woman
living in Nashville, Tennessee, a man living in Camden, New Jersey who once
posted to religion newsgroups and a host of other characters.
This individual's postings call to my mind how "the lips of the stupid one
swallow him up. The start of the words of his mouth is foolishness, and the
end afterward of his mouth is calamitous madness." (Ecclesiastes 10:12-13)
I learned the hard way through this individual postings a truth that Jesus
imparted to his followers: "Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw
YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet
and turn around and rip YOU open." (Matthew 7:6)
Every time someone posts to this individual I recall this scripture. I can
actually "hear" what sounds like a jar of marbles spilling onto a hardwood
floor, and the sound of hooves scampering through those pearls, kicking and
scattering those pearls across the room in all directions... more "pearls"
by sincere people getting trampled under Carol's mindless hooves.
Exclamations of disbelief accompany the sounds of grunting noises and
beautiful pearls scattering everywhere.
We all want to share our "pearls" with those who are worthy of receiving
them. Therein lies the challenge.
Thanks for the info. I kill filed him.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here on earth
and think that death being conquered is talking about our
physical death. I have a question then, using the two verses
that they always quote and knowing that the Bible doesn't
contradict itself...
"There will not be an infant, nor an old man that has not
filled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old;
but the sinner who is a hundred years old will be despised."
- Isaiah 65:20
"And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there
will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will
there be any more pain; for the first things passed away."
- Revelation 21:4
So which is it? Will the child die 100 years old? Or will
there be no more death? One or the other is true, but both
can't be true. So either they are taking symbolism literally
and misunderstanding the verses, or the Bible contradicts
itself. I know which one I believe. :)
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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| Title: Re: God Does His Will |
23 Oct 2005 06:34:45 PM |
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The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here
on earth
I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this
fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new
with you in my Father's kingdom.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of
them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and
for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first
resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part
in the first resurrection: on such the second death
hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and
of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall
be loosed out of his prison.
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That
ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when
the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,
ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the
twelve tribes of Israel.
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of
Israel.
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the
end, to him will I give power over the nations: And
he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels
of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as
I received of my Father. And I will give him the
morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what
the Spirit saith unto the churches.
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and
we shall reign on the earth.
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a
vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together, against the
LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break
their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from
us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the
Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak
unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore
displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill
of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath
said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the
heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost
parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt
break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them
in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now
therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of
the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with
trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye
perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a
little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in
him.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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| Title: Re: God Does His Will |
23 Oct 2005 06:47:03 PM |
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More and more garbage
Wine is very mystical. This is a clue only for those who care to stop being
brainwashed.
It is so similar to Koran
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130110485.540482.119140@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The "end timers" believe in a physical kingdom here
on earth
I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this
fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new
with you in my Father's kingdom.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of
them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and
for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first
resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part
in the first resurrection: on such the second death
hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and
of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall
be loosed out of his prison.
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That
ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when
the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,
ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the
twelve tribes of Israel.
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of
Israel.
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the
end, to him will I give power over the nations: And
he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels
of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as
I received of my Father. And I will give him the
morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what
the Spirit saith unto the churches.
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and
we shall reign on the earth.
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a
vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together, against the
LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break
their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from
us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the
Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak
unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore
displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill
of Zion. I will dec | | | | | | | | | |
